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Your Product on More than 1 JV site

by Creativistenterprise
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How's it going fellas?

I was wondering... do you think it makes any sense at all to put your product on more than 1 JV site?
Such as having it on Warrior+ AND JVzoo?

Would there be more of a benefit having your product more exposed?
#joint venture #jv site #product #site #warrior +
  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Your affiliates won't like you selling the product on more than one site at the same time. It just leaks sales for them. That alone should be enough to kill the idea for you.

    You could certainly do a promo on both platforms one after another, but I really would not recommend doing them at the same time. It will only confuse customers and affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Creativistenterprise
      well than that's game...
      thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author yakim1
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Your affiliates won't like you selling the product on more than one site at the same time. It just leaks sales for them. That alone should be enough to kill the idea for you.

      You could certainly do a promo on both platforms one after another, but I really would not recommend doing them at the same time. It will only confuse customers and affiliates.
      I hope to be launching a new affiliate/vendor bank next month. Working on the 1099 stuff right now. But one thing that will be possible at the new bank would be to put one order link on a sales letter and put that sales letter in multiple affiliate/vendor platforms like ClickBank, JVZoo. PayDotCom and the software I will be selling later this year and affiliates from clickBank who make a sale will be processed through ClickBank. Affiliate who use a JVZoo affiliate link will be processed through JVZoo.

      Affiliates from the new bank will be processed through the new bank. This allows vendors to leverage affiliates from other affiliate/vendor platforms. True, this can cause more competition. Competition is not leakage.

      What we are talking about are different circles of competition that can spread the vendors products out to a much larger audience. All these networks will be pushing traffic to one sales letter, which should not be confusing at all for affiliates.

      The affiliate gets his affiliate link and promotes it to his circle of influence.

      Of course vendors don't have to use this, it up to them. I don't know if affiliates will not want to promote a product because of this strategy or not.

      This is something that could bring more income in for the vendor. I believe most affiliates may not even know the product is advertised on multiple platforms. The customer does not know what platform is being used by the vendor until the payment process.

      This thread is one that I will be watching to see how people feel about this.

      Best regards,
      Steve Yakim
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

        I hope to be launching a new affiliate/vendor bank next month. Working on the 1099 stuff right now. But one thing that will be possible at the new bank would be to put one order link on a sales letter and put that sales letter in multiple affiliate/vendor platforms like ClickBank, JVZoo. PayDotCom and the software I will be selling later this year and affiliates from clickBank who make a sale will be processed through ClickBank. Affiliate who use a JVZoo affiliate link will be processed through JVZoo.

        Affiliates from the new bank will be processed through the new bank. This allows vendors to leverage affiliates from other affiliate/vendor platforms. True, this can cause more competition. Competition is not leakage.

        What we are talking about are different circles of competition that can spread the vendors products out to a much larger audience. All these networks will be pushing traffic to one sales letter, which should not be confusing at all for affiliates.

        The affiliate gets his affiliate link and promotes it to his circle of influence.

        Of course vendors don't have to use this, it up to them. I don't know if affiliates will not want to promote a product because of this strategy or not.

        This is something that could bring more income in for the vendor. I believe most affiliates may not even know the product is advertised on multiple platforms. The customer does not know what platform is being used by the vendor until the payment process.

        This thread is one that I will be watching to see how people feel about this.

        Best regards,
        Steve Yakim
        I see a few problems with something like that.

        1. If I am an affiliate and I come along to your product and see a buy button that is not related to the network I usually promote through, you have lost me as an affiliate. For example, if I am someone who only promotes Warrior Plus and JV Zoo products and I come along to the salespage and don't see either of those buy buttons, I will assume that product is not being sold through those networks and therefore I will not promote it.

        2. You would need to be VERY careful in working out all of the difference in fees between the networks and changing the commission percentages to reflect that. I could see affiliates promoting the product through Clickbank (who take 7.5% +$1 as a fee) and then later finding out it's available for promotion through other networks where the fees are much lower and thus they would have made more money from each sale. I think this would pee off some affiliates. Why should I get less than the next person for promoting the exact same product for you? That's the question that would get thrown at you (the vendor).

        3. As an affiliate I just see it as an added risk to my commissions. I am assuming you simply send people to the regular hoplink and the salespage then detects the affiliate link and displays the correct order button. I would really need to trust the vendor to be confident they were not screwing me in commissions with a system like this. Obviously it's got more room for error than if you were just promoting something in the normal fashion.

        4. Refund policies are different between certain networks. For example, if you wanted to use Clickbank and JVZoo on the salespage, that means your salespage now has to have a published 60 day no questions asked refund policy since Clickbank requires that from you. Clickbank also requires other things on the page such as their javascript statement at the bottom of the salespage -- something that shouldn't show if they are using a different payment processor.

        Anyway, they are just a few things that initially come to mind. I think something like this might be great for a vendor but I can't see too many advantages to the affiliates and they are the people you want to be putting above everything else since they are the ones bringing you the sales.
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        • Profile picture of the author yakim1
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          I see a few problems with something like that.

          1. If I am an affiliate and I come along to your product and see a buy button that is not related to the network I usually promote through, you have lost me as an affiliate. For example, if I am someone who only promotes Warrior Plus and JV Zoo products and I come along to the salespage and don't see either of those buy buttons, I will assume that product is not being sold through those networks and therefore I will not promote it.

          2. You would need to be VERY careful in working out all of the difference in fees between the networks and changing the commission percentages to reflect that. I could see affiliates promoting the product through Clickbank (who take 7.5% +$1 as a fee) and then later finding out it's available for promotion through other networks where the fees are much lower and thus they would have made more money from each sale. I think this would pee off some affiliates. Why should I get less than the next person for promoting the exact same product for you? That's the question that would get thrown at you (the vendor).

          3. As an affiliate I just see it as an added risk to my commissions. I am assuming you simply send people to the regular hoplink and the salespage then detects the affiliate link and displays the correct order button. I would really need to trust the vendor to be confident they were not screwing me in commissions with a system like this. Obviously it's got more room for error than if you were just promoting something in the normal fashion.

          4. Refund policies are different between certain networks. For example, if you wanted to use Clickbank and JVZoo on the salespage, that means your salespage now has to have a published 60 day no questions asked refund policy since Clickbank requires that from you. Clickbank also requires other things on the page such as their javascript statement at the bottom of the salespage -- something that shouldn't show if they are using a different payment processor.

          Anyway, they are just a few things that initially come to mind. I think something like this might be great for a vendor but I can't see too many advantages to the affiliates and they are the people you want to be putting above everything else since they are the ones bringing you the sales.
          Thank you very much for your input. The only real issue that you have mentioned is the Refund policies. This is because of ClickBanks 60 day refund policy.

          All the other issues you mentioned is not a problem because you missunderstood the function of the order link. Let me give you a better example...

          If a clickbank affiliate link is used, when the buyer goes to clickbank to pay. Clickbank will pay the affiliate for the sale.

          If the affiliate uses a JVZoo affiliate link, the buyer goes to JVZoo to pay. JVZoo will pay the affiliate for the sale.

          Please understand that when you click an order link on any sales letter of one of these vendor platforms that is using paypal that it is just a redirect to the order page. For JVZoo the buyer must fill out their paypal email address.

          This is done because of many of PayPal's requirements when using their Adaptive API with chain payments. The guarantee and an actual PayPal order button must be present on this page.

          The paypal email address is necessary for preapproved payments. This has to do with subscription payments.

          The hoops you have to jump through are numerous.

          Unlike Warrior Plus and JVZoo the vendor will be able to use his own buy button. At our bank we will be trying to keep a lower profile with a simpler delivery system that protect download pages belonging and on the vendor's website.

          No more jumping though hoops for the customers to get their products. No mailing to your buyers and leads from the bank taking commissions from affiliates. I believe both warrior plus and JVZoo do this. I believe you have to upgrade to get first affiliate commissions on these platforms.

          Another change will be that affiliate will not have to get approval from the vendor to promote products. However, the vendor can block an unwanted affiliate. If any affiliate gets blocked 3 times, they will not be able to promote any products.

          At these other platforms you have to be preappoved for main product upsell products and downsell products.

          I don't know about you, when I decide to promote a product, I put my email campaign to gether and set it in action. If I have to wait to long to get approval then I usually don't end up promoting it.

          But the refund policy is a good input that may cause me to remove this feature at least for clickbank and maybe all together.

          Again thanks for your feedback.

          Best regards,
          Steve Yakim
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

            Thank you very much for your input. The only real issue that you have mentioned is the Refund policies. This is because of ClickBanks 60 day refund policy.

            All the other issues you mentioned is not a problem because you missunderstood the function of the order link. Let me give you a better example...

            If a clickbank affiliate link is used, when the buyer goes to clickbank to pay. Clickbank will pay the affiliate for the sale.

            If the affiliate uses a JVZoo affiliate link, the buyer goes to JVZoo to pay. JVZoo will pay the affiliate for the sale.

            Please understand that when you click an order link on any sales letter of one of these vendor platforms that is using paypal that it is just a redirect to the order page. For JVZoo the buyer must fill out their paypal email address.

            This is done because of many of PayPal's requirements when using their Adaptive API with chain payments. The guarantee and an actual PayPal order button must be present on this page.

            The paypal email address is necessary for preapproved payments. This has to do with subscription payments.

            The hoops you have to jump through are numerous.

            Unlike Warrior Plus and JVZoo the vendor will be able to use his own buy button. At our bank we will be trying to keep a lower profile with a simpler delivery system that protect download pages belonging and on the vendor's website.

            No more jumping though hoops for the customers to get their products. No mailing to your buyers and leads from the bank taking commissions from affiliates. I believe both warrior plus and JVZoo do this. I believe you have to upgrade to get first affiliate commissions on these platforms.

            Another change will be that affiliate will not have to get approval from the vendor to promote products. However, the vendor can block an unwanted affiliate. If any affiliate gets blocked 3 times, they will not be able to promote any products.

            At these other platforms you have to be preappoved for main product upsell products and downsell products.

            I don't know about you, when I decide to promote a product, I put my email campaign to gether and set it in action. If I have to wait to long to get approval then I usually don't end up promoting it.

            But the refund policy is a good input that may cause me to remove this feature at least for clickbank and maybe all together.

            Again thanks for your feedback.

            Best regards,
            Steve Yakim
            Steve,

            Yeah, I'm still not sure exactly what you mean. It's confusing. You are saying people can use any platform for the payments but then you are talking like you are getting rid of those platforms and replacing them with your own features

            Not sure how that works.

            Anyway, I will just add one thing in regards to what you mentioned with the approval of affiliates. In this day and age with any type of instant commission setup, I would not use it as a vendor if I cannot approve affiliates BEFORE they promote. The risk is always on the vendor in any type of instant pay affiliate promotion and thus I don't want them being able to promote my product UNTIL I have approved them. I understand being able to block them later but you wouldn't be able to do that until the damage has already been done.

            I would always want full control over my affiliates. Just to give you an idea I decline about 90%+ of all affiliates who request to promote my products. Majority of them are just time wasters and not worth the risk. So allowing affiliates to promote without my approval would just open up a big (and unnecessary) hole in my business. Not something I would want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Broyde
    Originally Posted by Creativistenterprise View Post

    I was wondering... do you think it makes any sense at all to put your product on more than 1 JV site?
    Such as having it on Warrior+ AND JVzoo?

    Would there be more of a benefit having your product more exposed?
    Will says that it is not a good idea, and he has a good reason why he said so. However, what stage of your affiliate marketing are you in. If you are new it is unlikely that you will get a lot of affiliates who you being on more than one site makes a difference to.

    On the other hand, if you have a good number of affiliates already, then you need to take the course of action that best pleases them.
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  • Profile picture of the author julesw
    shouldn't you show a different page depending on the hoplink - so you can make different pages with the various guarantees and disclaimers required, and it rotates the page depending on the hoplink?
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    • Profile picture of the author yakim1
      Originally Posted by julesw View Post

      shouldn't you show a different page depending on the hoplink - so you can make different pages with the various guarantees and disclaimers required, and it rotates the page depending on the hoplink?
      The affiliate/vendor platform does not control the sales letter. They just supply the code that goes in the buy button. The sales letter usually remains on the vendor's website. My software can recognize a hoplink and substitutes the correct ClickBank order link in the buy button when the sales letter opens.

      This happens even though the sales letter is on the vendors server. The idea was to make it possible for the vendor to only have one sales letter and promote his product in multiple affiliate/vendor platforms at the same time giving the vendors more affiliate exposure.

      Best regards,
      Steve Yakim
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