E-mail Marketing - Is it harmful for your website?

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HI, I am getting ready to launch a new product on a new site I just spent countless hours building and semi-ranking. I am getting ready to launch a professional E-mail marketing plan to 100's of thousands of emails. I hired a company to build the Email marketing plan. And they suggest I create a mini site because they may say it might hurt my brand. I want to market my site, not a mini site. Any suggestions on this? Will Email marketing really hurt my brand?
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  • Profile picture of the author andryzas
    no offense, but as far I understand you hired a spam company to spam about your new product... of course it will hurt your brand right after it will be reported. better make a mini site like they proposed.

    just 2 my cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by andryzas View Post

      no offense, but as far I understand you hired a spam company to spam about your new product... of course it will hurt your brand right after it will be reported. better make a mini site like they proposed.

      just 2 my cents.
      Sounds like it. The best way to go forward is to create a mailing list with aweber and buy solo ads or other advertising to get list members.
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    • Profile picture of the author sabatek
      Originally Posted by andryzas View Post

      no offense, but as far I understand you hired a spam company to spam about your new product... of course it will hurt your brand right after it will be reported. better make a mini site like they proposed.

      just 2 my cents.
      I was wondering why it would hurt then I read this response. That makes sense. Get a mini site as they suggested. Or use an alternative method for marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

    I am getting ready to launch a professional E-mail marketing plan to 100's of thousands of emails
    What did I miss, here - how is "launching a professional E-mail marketing plan to 100's of thousands of emails" anything other than just a fancy name for "mass spamming"? :confused:

    If so, the answer's clearly "yes": if you're planning to send out bulk unsolicited email to that sort of number of people, it can hurt your brand, your reputation, your website, your internet connection, your hosting and your domain registration.
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  • Profile picture of the author nitesh
    Let's take an example. You do not want flowers but a guy is running before you and requesting to buy his flowers. What would you do? You might buy those flowers the first day but will you still be happy from the guy if he or she comes to you everyday. The answer of this question is the answer to your question. If you will keep emailing promotial email to all those internet users who do not want to see any such email then these emails will hurt your brand. Not only those dissappointed users will dislike your brand but others will also dislike your site because the dissappointed users will spread this message among all the similar users. I hope I have answered your query.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
      Originally Posted by nitesh View Post

      Let's take an example. You do not want flowers but a guy is running before you and requesting to buy his flowers. What would you do? You might buy those flowers the first day but will you still be happy from the guy if he or she comes to you everyday. The answer of this question is the answer to your question. If you will keep emailing promotial email to all those internet users who do not want to see any such email then these emails will hurt your brand. Not only those dissappointed users will dislike your brand but others will also dislike your site because the dissappointed users will spread this message among all the similar users. I hope I have answered your query.
      I understand your point. But how does it hurt your brand? And can it hurt your rankings in Google? I understand they may not like the email. But how does it affect your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

    HI, I am getting ready to launch a new product on a new site I just spent countless hours building and semi-ranking. I am getting ready to launch a professional E-mail marketing plan to 100's of thousands of emails. I hired a company to build the Email marketing plan. And they suggest I create a mini site because they may say it might hurt my brand. I want to market my site, not a mini site. Any suggestions on this? Will Email marketing really hurt my brand?
    Why in the world would it hurt your brand? If you are spamming people that don't know that you are going to send them something, then yes it can hurt your reputation big time!

    I don't know why you didn't decide to build the email list yourself, but if some company is telling you to create another site because what you are doing might hurt your brand and reputation, I would not use said company! You might be spamming people without knowing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Why in the world would it hurt your brand? If you are spamming people that don't know that you are going to send them something, then yes it can hurt your reputation big time!
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      I have not built an email list. It is a new site. So, yes I will be sending to a collected email list of the company. I want to do email marketing. But can you explain how it will hurt my brand? By reputation or how.? What would be your suggestion on this best way of Email marketing without your own list for a new site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        What you're asking about isn't email marketing, Robert: it's mass spamming.

        Whatever email server you use to send them out will be damaged by all the spam complaints. When recipients click on "spam", that increases the chances that that email provider will refuse to accept email from that source again. That's why autoresponder companies don't allow their clients to do this, because they wouldn't have a business left, if they did: they'd have no deliverability.

        If people complain to your domain registrar that you've been sending spam, you can forfeit your domain-name.

        If people complain to your hosting company that you've been sending spam, you can lose your hosting/site.

        If people complain to Google that you're a spammer, there can be heavy SEO penalties or de-indexations.

        If people complain to your internet service provider that you're a spammer, you can lose your internet connection (they can't afford to take a chance on it, because your email passes through their servers, and they don't want other companies refusing to process email that's been through their servers).

        It's all downside, risk, and negative outcomes. There's nothing good about it, for you or for your business. You'll get problems from it. You probably won't get money/sales from it.

        Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

        What would be your suggestion on this best way of Email marketing without your own list for a new site?
        Email marketing of this kind depends on people giving you their permission to send them email. You need to build your own list, or to pay other people to send your message to their own subscribers (who have given them the necessary permission).
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

        I have not built an email list. It is a new site. So, yes I will be sending to a collected email list of the company. I want to do email marketing. But can you explain how it will hurt my brand? By reputation or how.? What would be your suggestion on this best way of Email marketing without your own list for a new site?
        I think Alexa Smith answered this question the best! You need to build a list by offering something valuable for free in exchange for a persons name and email info.

        Spamming will get you into some real hot water and your reputation will be destroyed. If that company that wants you to use their list and to create another site just so you can spam, I would run as far away from them as I could!
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  • Profile picture of the author jakejoh10
    Spamming will absolutely hurt your reputation.

    However, if you're using email marketing ethically, it is one of (if not the) best ways to build your business.

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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I've no idea what you're on about really, your post is as clear as mud, but if as others have pointed out if you've paid some company to mass send out an email promoting your services without them having asked to be emailed from you then you're probably about to spam them. If you can't see how that can hurt your brand and reputation then you're missing the point big time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

    ... And they suggest I create a mini site because they may say it might hurt my brand. I want to market my site, not a mini site. Any suggestions on this? Will Email marketing really hurt my brand?
    What brand? If you're referring to the site in your sig, I fear you're already living on borrowed time (and a borrowed trademark).
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      What brand? If you're referring to the site in your sig, I fear you're already living on borrowed time (and a borrowed trademark).
      not referring to the site in my sig. Referring to a complete new site. But why do you say the site in my sig is on borrowed time?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Kendo
        Dude,

        Any unsolicited email to a huge amount of people will be bad press for you, your brand, your site, whatever may be associated. How many different people need to describe this to you in how many different ways. This is hilarious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Because you're using the word 'Youtube' in your domain name which obviously isn't allowed.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      Because you're using the word 'Youtube' in your domain name which obviously isn't allowed.
      That site has been very good to me. It may be on borrowed time, but up and running 2 years straight and in the number 1 position for some major keywords. But this is getting us off track. I am more interested in marketing a complete new site which has no rankings as of now, but will. But I want to start off with brand awareness and traffic through email marketing. I understand some of the negative issues. But I am looking for some serious responses on how to go about Email marketing without a collective email list using a company that suggest I should build a mini site to protect my brand because it well maybe spam email. I have always gotten traffic from the SERPs and now am looking at a new way for me which is by Email. So, I would like all the input as possible. How to go about it, and what to avoid. If you can give me these values. it would be great. Thank You
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      • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
        Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

        ...But I am looking for some serious responses on how to go about Email marketing without a collective email list using a company that suggest I should build a mini site to protect my brand because it well maybe spam email. I have always gotten traffic from the SERPs and now am looking at a new way for me which is by Email. So, I would like all the input as possible. How to go about it, and what to avoid. If you can give me these values. it would be great. Thank You
        You received lots of serious responses.... you are asking for trouble, don't do it, not a good idea, etc.... If you are looking for validation, that might take longer...

        How to go about it is to get permission from each and every person you are going to email, build a relationship with each person, and then move on to selling.
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        • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
          Just want to say Thank You for saving my brand. If I did not lead into this thread, I probably would have went with the company that sent me the idea in building a mini site for Email spamming. Thank You again. You might have just saved me here....
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Email marketing isn't about buying or renting lists to promote your site to, that's spamming. Email marketing is about building your own list via your site and then using it to keep in touch and market to your followers. You're going about it the wrong way round. You won't have a list to start with so you'll need to build it up over time. I don't really know why the company is suggesting to build a mini site or how they think this will help in anyway but you should knock this idea on the head and do things properly from the start before you trash your brand and reputation before you've even started.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      Email marketing isn't about buying or renting lists to promote your site to, that's spamming. Email marketing is about building your own list via your site and then using it to keep in touch and market to your followers. You're going about it the wrong way round. You won't have a list to start with so you'll need to build it up over time. I don't really know why the company is suggesting to build a mini site or how they think this will help in anyway but you should knock this idea on the head and do things properly from the start before you trash your brand and reputation before you've even started.
      Good input. Thank You. Again, I have not done Email marketing before. But I was hoping to try something new to get traffic as I work my way up the SERPs, not about social media traffic, but on a larger scale. I do highly appreciate your suggestion, and will avoid this Email spamming, that we all get every day. I know it is annoying. If you have a suggestion on how to generate traffic in another way, excluding the ppc, social media, SERPs, I would love to hear some suggestions. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      Email marketing isn't about buying or renting lists to promote your site to, that's spamming. Email marketing is about building your own list via your site and then using it to keep in touch and market to your followers.
      This is not entirely true. Both of those things you mention are "email marketing", just different breeds of it. And hiring a marketing company that specializes in mass mailings isn't always considered spam.

      There are companies that exist who have large opt-in lists of people who want to know about products that fit a certain criteria. That, when done correctly, is not spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        This is not entirely true. Both of those things you mention are "email marketing", just different breeds of it. And hiring a marketing company that specializes in mass mailings isn't always considered spam.

        There are companies that exist who have large opt-in lists of people who want to know about products that fit a certain criteria. That, when done correctly, is not spam.
        Hey, Thanks. Would you have a suggestion on a good company to use for this type of marketing. I am a bit scared from the responses so far to go forward, but am so willing to do so. Let me know.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        This is not entirely true. Both of those things you mention are "email marketing", just different breeds of it. And hiring a marketing company that specializes in mass mailings isn't always considered spam.

        There are companies that exist who have large opt-in lists of people who want to know about products that fit a certain criteria. That, when done correctly, is not spam.
        From what you've heard of this company do they sound like a legit firm? They've even told him in a round about way that what they are doing could hurt his website and brand.
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        • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
          Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

          From what you've heard of this company do they sound like a legit firm? They've even told him in a round about way that what they are doing could hurt his website and brand.
          Oh, I never mentioned anything about this particular company. I was responding to a specific comment made by another.
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    • Profile picture of the author yakim1
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      Email marketing is about building your own list via your site and then using it to keep in touch and market to your followers.
      This is not the best way to start building a list. When I got started building my list, the very first 1,000 people on my list were purchased leads. I was able to leverage those leads to build several autoresponder services with over 100,000 opt-in subscribers built from my website as you mention in the quote.

      In another post on this thread I described the best way to use co-registration to get your email marketing started.

      The problem with people in this forum is it is to easy to cry SPAM when there are legitimate ways to purchase leads that are not considered spam according to the CAM-SPAM Act of 2003.

      I hope you guys are not the kind of people who forgot that they signed up to a list and just push the spam button in their email client instead of going to the bottom of the email to unsubscribe.

      When you have lists as large as I do, you get all kinds of people hitting the reply button and send an email back to you calling you a spammer. When this happens, I check for all the times they have subscribed to my list and send them the dates that they subscribed after I have removed them from my list.

      I get one or 2 a month.

      99% of the time, these people have subscribed to 4 or 5 of my lists. So they have not subscribed only one time but many.

      They can fire up an email to call me a spammer but are to lazy to scroll down to the bottom of the email and unsubscribe.

      But the service mentioned at the start of this thread does not sound like a legit service of leads, especially if they warn you there will be consequences.

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      • Profile picture of the author itravel2004
        There are many ways to do it.

        One of them is start building your list by giving any free PLR product. You can post at Warrior Forum or buy solo ads.

        You need create a squeeze page to get subscriber to opt-in.

        If not, then you may consider promote your product via paid traffic such as PPC or PPV.

        Hope it can help.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
    Originally Posted by RobertCorby View Post

    ... And they suggest I create a mini site because they may say it might hurt my brand. I want to market my site, not a mini site. Any suggestions on this? Will Email marketing really hurt my brand?
    The very fact that the company you are working with has already told you that what they are doing might hurt should be a massive red flag. Depending on how they worded that warning to you, it also may be their liability transfer over to you....
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  • Profile picture of the author RobertCorby
    Thanks again for all your support. It is good to know you have my back.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I would not use the list from this company. If you don't want to use a separate mini site, I would use double opt-in Co-registration.

    There are a large number of services that will allow you to buy subscribers for your project. Prices range from 10 cents per subscriber on up. They all work pretty much in the same way. They list your project along with a lot of other projects and they charge you according to the predetermined price was to send the subscribers your way.

    The subscribers are usually generated as they click on check boxes for each of the projects that they want to join. Traffic to the Co-registration sites is generated all different kind of ways, but usually it's some kind of contest or some other kind of freebie that the person is trying to get and that is why they join these lists.

    You will get the number of subscribers you order if you use the right service but to honest, these subscribers will not be good quality subscribers because they only join to get that incentive or join a contest. So they may not read your messages you send.

    Even though I have said this, let me tell you how to make Co-registration subscribers worth the investment. This is still a good way to get subscribers and get them quickly is to use some guidelines.

    Stay away from services that use pre-checked check boxes or select all check boxes. Many of these services use pre-checked boxes so when a person signs up to get the free incentive or join the contest, they are automatically signed up to all the projects listed. The likely hood of the person reading any of the projects is very unlikely.

    You want to use a service that makes the person manually check each project that they are interested in receiving based on the description of each project.

    The second guideline is to purchase only double opt-in subscribers. So even if it cost more, always purchase double opt-in subscribers. You see, with double opt-in the person is required to confirm their email address that they submitted before they are actually added to your list.

    So double opt-in subscribers cost more but they have shown interest by going to their email account and clicking on a link to confirm they want to be on your list. This gives you a higher quality subscriber.

    The third guideline to follow is to create a highly targeted description of your project. Do this in advance before purchasing any subscribers because you only want subscribers who are very interested in the content you provide.

    Since you are going to be paying for each subscriber the service sends your way, you only want subscribers who are interested in your content. So the more precise you can be in your project description, the likely hood of receiving tightly targeted subscribers is much better.

    With these kind of subscribers you can end up getting a loyal readership from them.

    I hope this is helpful,
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  • Profile picture of the author bsummers
    Hi RobertCorby,

    Thank you for bringing this up here. Yes, you can use your own brand name in your email marketing campaign but of course there are certain measures you need to follow because it's too risky and you need to be careful. If done improperly it will really hurt your brand as Alexa Smith said. If you really want to use your brand, then proper planning is needed .Goodluck. Don't forget to update us here
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Mass spamming isn't the way to go and it isn't recommended - no matter how many people you are trying to contact. You would think that with a 100k size spam list, maybe like 5 will convert. Well... maybe this is true if you're selling viagra, but it's in your best interest to build a list from scratch, drive traffic to your site, and focus on laser targeted ways to get traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    How it harm your brand and google ranking

    - if the email marketing firm which get or collect those database without permission and against their database privacy and spam your email to them.

    -the receiver might banned your email address,marked you as spam, banned your site and even report it .

    - if your email do not reach your niche and cause high bounce rate, this will cause the analysis quality of your site from Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    You might want to check out the source of the traffic that the company is going to send to you. The last thing that you want to do is to invest money on spam traffic which is not going to give you good returns of investment.

    It will be better if you are able to identify the people who have their own list of subscribers who might be interested in what your product is offering. In this way, you will be exposing your products to prospects who are interested in what you are offering. This kind of advertisement is call solo ads.

    It might be more expensive but it is targeted traffic. You might be surprise by the number of people who do not know that they can make money by simply emailing their list.
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