Do Cluttered Sites Convert Better Than Uncluttered Sites? Ryan Deis Thinks So...

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Hey Warriors,

I was just reading through the threads here and I came across an interesting notion when I commented on one warrior's nice fairly minimalistic theme.

"Ryan Deis came out yesterday and announced that all his testing shows cluttered sites convert way better"

I really thought that clean uncluttered sites would fare much better than cluttered site. What is your take and experience.

I'd love to hear as I was quite surprised. I would think that uncluttered would do much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayfrank
    I love clean. I hate distractions. But it does depend on the niche. An arty niche might benefit from cluttered.

    However, if a squeeze page converts because there are no other distractions and there is only one thing for people to do (sign up to your list) the question is why do you want people to visit your site and want do you want them to do while they are there?!
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    • Profile picture of the author ejullya
      Hey Kay,

      It's so nice to see you. Hope all is going really well for you.

      I completely agree that a squeeze page has to look sharp and clean completely without distractions.

      With respect to a website I tend to go for the uncluttered look but I don't like the websites where when you land on the home page it just looks like a squeeze page, mostly blank with one huge advertisement image. It just does not look inviting to me.

      Regards,

      Dita
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Ryan Deis has ton of traffic to send to his test pages, so to each there own. Sounds like he is pumping people up for a new product launch
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  • Profile picture of the author glennshep
    I think it can all depend on what's meant by "cluttered". I know that if I go to a confusing, untidy site, then this will put me off being bothered to spend any more time there. But a well-designed site packed with info versus a simplistic, sparse site is an interesting dilemma. I think a lot of that comes down to psychology. Personally, I know that I am more likely to feel 'engaged with' if I go to an attractive site with plenty going on, so long as it's easy to navigate and well laid out, whereas I can find a simplistic, generic-looking site bland and uninteresting. Of course, so long as both types of sites are well laid out then it's the content itself that's the most important thing, but which of the two is likely to grab the visitor's attention and keep it? Hmm, therein lies the nub of the matter. Personally, it's usually going to be the more eye-catching site that appeals. As for conversions, it would be interesting to see a case study and some stats of one type versus the other
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  • Profile picture of the author wisdomoto
    There was a guru interview I was listening to. The guy was coming up with a product to build and test effective opt-in forms. Whether on a squeeze page or inside a blog.

    Anyways, he has done testing in the many thousands of visitors and his advice was that:

    "The more options a visitor has to click on, (banners, opt-ins, likes, etc) the less likely they are to click on anything at all."

    Or words to that effect. I have to say his advice makes a lot of sense to me so I just thought I would share.
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  • Profile picture of the author PvPGuy
    This is the same reason that restaurants often have employees park near the entrance instead of leaving those places for patrons; it gives the illusion of always being busy, which drives more people through the doors.

    It's the same difference when you land on a thin site vs a site full of content. This is a psychological trigger; you subconsciously register a full site as more authoritative and credible than the other.

    I didn't read Ryan's article, so I am not sure how he defined cluttered, but I suspect he used that particular term to raise some eyebrows and get more clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    I think glen summed it up pretty well.

    I like clean crisp design, but sometimes I think it can actually hurt you... Sometimes you just have to fill the holes to make your site look "alive" and filled with content.
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    • Profile picture of the author ejullya
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      I think glen summed it up pretty well.

      I like clean crisp design, but sometimes I think it can actually hurt you... Sometimes you just have to fill the holes to make your site look "alive" and filled with content.
      Some minimalistic clean sites look a little sterile. They remind me of a very uncluttered, perfectly clean and ordered house where you feel like you should not touch anything and want to leave as soon as possible.

      I like clean, not too cluttered, yet some color that makes the visitor feel welcomed and cozy yet being able to navigate through the site very well.

      But I agree it is very personal. I also believe that most people want to feel comfortable when visiting an "online office" which our websites represent.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Originally Posted by ejullya View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    I was just reading through the threads here and I came across an interesting notion when I commented on one warrior's nice fairly minimalistic theme.

    "Ryan Deis came out yesterday and announced that all his testing shows cluttered sites convert way better"

    I really thought that clean uncluttered sites would fare much better than cluttered site. What is your take and experience.

    I'd love to hear as I was quite surprised. I would think that uncluttered would do much better.
    Not sure that it really matters what we think, if Ryan Deiss has tested it, then whatever his results were are fact.
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    • Profile picture of the author ejullya
      Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

      Not sure that it really matters what we think, if Ryan Deiss has tested it, then whatever his results were are fact.

      Sorry, I don't know you Martin but I must presume that you are kidding, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author JHandy
    I personally like to visit a site that is neatly laid out and not a whole lot of chaos going on. It needs to be neat and presentable and flows well to the eyes. If there are a lot of banners, and flashing text, it is a serious distraction for me. Sometimes I tolerate it, but I'm not going to be on there very long, let along opt in to their list.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejullya
    Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy View Post

    I am all for crisp and clean websites.

    Think about this if you doubt:

    People are overwhelmed. When they are visiting a site
    unless they're in hardcore focus mode they're thinking
    about checking email, cooking dinner, facebook, etc...

    Presenting a very clean, simple and crisp site can
    relax the visitor and give them what so many are
    yearning for - simplicity.

    -Craig
    Hi Craig,

    Crisp and clean, but at the same time, informative, interactive and not sterile. many themes are striving to provide just such platforms for their users.

    Recently, I was researching some material for a post and I came across really neat responsive theme designs from a German company. I have not heard of them before. They provide excellent clean design in their themes, Yoko | A WordPress theme by Elmastudio. I have no affiliation with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Only because it works for his business doesn't mean it will work for yours! His oppinion means nothing all my reasons explained here... http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...s-nothing.html
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    If this were true then it would have been an accepted fact in marketing circles many years ago. Some get rich quick info product peon wouldn't be the one breaking the news to the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
    Originally Posted by ejullya View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    I was just reading through the threads here and I came across an interesting notion when I commented on one warrior's nice fairly minimalistic theme.

    "Ryan Deis came out yesterday and announced that all his testing shows cluttered sites convert way better"

    I really thought that clean uncluttered sites would fare much better than cluttered site. What is your take and experience.

    I'd love to hear as I was quite surprised. I would think that uncluttered would do much better.
    It actually depends. When you go into the local public attorney's office, it is supposed to be clean and tidy. But when you visit the gym, you want the clamming of the machines and the smell of the sweat (or perhaps not). Anyway, that's how your site needs to be. Your site is what your visitors want it to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I personally don't like cluttered and don't like minimalistic. I like a balance between the two. I wouldn't put any stock in someones' test on their pages. I'd test my own pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author DarioMontesdeOca
    I know Ryan Deiss to be the man of testing everything on all of his websites, I wonder if it depends on the niche which converts the best
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    • Profile picture of the author PvPGuy
      Originally Posted by DarioMontesdeOca View Post

      ...I wonder if it depends on the niche which converts the best
      Well, niche always matters, but so does each and every element of your page. But there are some unseen factors that play a part as well...such as your perception of the author - if you perceive them as an authority, then you subconsciously accept they have the right to have lots of activity on their page - or rather, you subconsciously accept it is right because they do it.
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  • I personally try to go for clean sites with one single call-to-action in mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I downloaded and read Ryan's report, The reason for the big up tick in traffic to his test blogs was not just because it was more cluttered. He gave 3 reasons for the improvement and I just don't remember what they were.

    I will re-read the report and hopefully get back with the WHOLE story.

    Best regards,
    Steve Yakim
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  • Profile picture of the author paulineetcubanCB
    Clean sites usually convert much better. We Make Websites ConvertBetter at http://www.convertbetter.com/
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