Do we tolerate content thieves in this community?

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I've just discovered that a War Room member, who is here since 2011, visited one of my blogs (the one from my sig line), copied some of my old solo ads articles, and posted them on his blog claiming that he's the author.

How did I find it so quickly? His blog sent a ping to my blog In addition I use Google Alerts

How do I know that he's a member here? The content thief's website is promoted in his WF sig line by someone who has the same name like the one displayed on content thief's website. That was easy to google

I've sent him a PM and posted a message on his profile page. He's online right now. No reply by now...

The question is... do we tolerate content thieves here?

What's your opinion?

Adrian Jock

P.S. To the content thief: If you're not reading your PMs, since you're browsing this forum right now maybe you'll read this thread

P.P.S. Edited - Update In the meantime my articles were removed from that blog. My question posted above is still valid.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexanderBeloev
    Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

    I've just discovered that a War Room member, who is here since 2011, visited one of my blogs (the one from my sig line), copied some of my old solo ads articles, and posted them on his blog claiming that he's the author.

    How did I find it so quickly? His blog sent a ping to my blog In addition I use Google Alerts

    How do I know that he's a member here? The content thief's website is promoted in his WF sig line by someone who has the same name like the one displayed on content thief's website. That was easy to google

    I've sent him a PM and posted a message on his profile page. He's online right now. No reply by now...

    The question is... do we tolerate content thieves here?

    What's your opinion?

    Adrian Jock

    P.S. To the content thief: If you're not reading your PMs, since you're browsing this forum right now maybe you'll read this thread
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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    Is it possible he found this information somewhere else, and thought the information was available. Maybe someone else may have stole it put it in a PLR product.

    It truly is possible, by posting a visitor message (which is public correct?) I dont think that was the right way to go about it. The PM was definitely warranted so that you could get to the bottom of this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by Woodward82 View Post

      Is it possible he found this information somewhere else, and thought the information was available. Maybe someone else may have stole it put it in a PLR product.
      I checked my blog's stats. A few hours ago someone visited exactly all the articles that were stolen In addition, 2 of the articles were linked one another on my blog. On his blog, they are linked exactly the same
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

    Do we tolerate content thieves in this community?
    Hi Adrian,

    I suspect there's a kind of knowingly/unknowingly component to what's "tolerated" here?

    The forum certainly doesn't knowingly tolerate people selling plagiarized WSO's and stuff, here. But generally, I think the forum's (maybe understandably, albeit with very occasional exceptions involving hostility to the forum itself?) pretty reluctant to get involved in censuring people here for things they've done outside the forum (that would be pretty unmanageable, really, wouldn't it?).

    These things happen - I hope you get it resolved successfully.

    I think your private message was the right way forward. I'm not sure the profile message was, but the recipient can delete that himself, I think?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      The forum certainly doesn't knowingly tolerate people selling plagiarized WSO's and stuff, here. But generally, I think the forum's (maybe understandably, albeit with very occasional exceptions involving hostility to the forum itself?) pretty reluctant to get involved in censuring people here for things they've done outside the forum (that would be pretty unmanageable, really, wouldn't it?).
      Hi Alexa, how are you? I'm not asking anyone on this forum to solve my problems.

      I can guess that no one will take the time to investigate an outside issue... It would be weird from my part (and not reasonable) to ask such a thing.

      But I've only asked a question...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

        Hi Alexa, how are you? I'm not asking anyone on this forum to solve my problems.
        Noooo, I know ... (good to see you posting, anyway! We joined around the same time and I've known you a long time).

        Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

        But I've only asked a question...
        Yes, indeed ... sorry if I sounded like "you don't need to ask this", not my intention at all. I was only "just saying". I know it's a pretty big and not-that-uncommon and legitimate issue to air.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewRiseDigital
    Your frustration is understandable, however just a polite reminder to read the rules of the forum, these are the sticky posts at the top.

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    If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by InternetBusinessKickStart View Post

      If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here.
      I think Adrian's complied with this by not naming the person and by discussing it as a general issue, though? ("Just saying"!).
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      • Profile picture of the author NewRiseDigital
        It was just a polite reminder, it's easy to forget the rules when things are heated, and as I mentioned before, I empathize. - 'Just saying'
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
          You know in some countries they still chop off the hand of thieves...
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          • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
            Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

            You know in some countries they still chop off the hand of thieves...
            Not in his country :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              The question is... do we tolerate content thieves here?
              No - if he posted the articles here, it would not be tolerated. But the WF is not an enforcement arm for the internet. If someone took articles from your site, you can take action to stop him.

              To expect that the huge number of members on this forum is composed only of upstanding citizens is not realistic. It's like trying to find a city where there are no liars or thieves.


              I'm not asking anyone on this forum to solve my problems.
              Maybe not - but it sounds like you are trying to use this forum yourself to solve your problems through PMs and by challenging this person in public.
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              • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
                Kay, I agree almost 100% with you. Except for the fact that I'm not challenging him in public. It would be naive from my part to expect him to post on this thread

                If this thread is not interesting/useless for the community, if my question is a BS question, maybe someone should lock the thread. Or maybe it should be deleted. I don't have any problem, no matter what.

                And thank you for your comment

                Adrian

                P.S. A preview of one of the stolen articles was published here on my WF blog. But that's not a relevant info :-)

                P.P.S Yes, I did sent a PM (Copyright Infringement Notice). I sent it because there were no contact info on his blog (not very unexpected LOL) Do you think that it's against forum rules?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by InternetBusinessKickStart View Post

      Your frustration is understandable, however just a polite reminder to read the rules of the forum, these are the sticky posts at the top.
      I know the forum rules, I'm here since many years, I've been a member also on the old forum (I guess you don't know it )

      I did NOT mention any name here. I'm NOT starting any war HERE. I've just asked the members a GENERIC question.

      If you don't want to answer it, don't do it, it's just fine
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  • Profile picture of the author Heathj
    I think its good to talk about these things. Let newbies see what they are not supposed to be doing, let less scrupulous people see that its not tolerated and then it lets everyone talk about what can be done.

    It is a valid discussion with lessons to be learned.
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  • Contact his hosting provider providing proof of your case and they will either shut him down or force him to take the content down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Contact his hosting provider providing proof of your case and they will either shut him down or force him to take the content down.
      Sure, I'll contact HostGator if he doesn't remove the articles. I know the path, I wasn't born yesterday

      However, I always wait 24-48 hours before doing it. Whether that is good or not, I don't know but that's my style
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Adrian, I feel your pain. However, this has been my experience: the more your internet presence grows and the more content you have, the more you are opening yourself up to not only content thieves, but malicious hackers and bots, brute force attacks, etc.

        So, to all you Warriors who want to create a name for yourselves, be careful what you wish for, because it is hard to keep up with cyber crime - especially if your site is running open source software like WordPress.

        Be prepared to check or have someone checking your sites at all times - because as much as you have been lead to believe otherwise, NO software or plugin can completely stop anyone from hacking your sites if they really want to unless you're prepared to pay a web host 10's of thousands of dollars to secure your sites from attacks. And even then there are no guarantees.

        If I was to start all over again from scratch, I would do things way differently. I would forget about having a vanity site, even though that very same vanity site has helped me to make income, and I would probably be less vocal - not because of fear, but because it's so much smarter to keep one's opinions to oneself or at least private between close family and friends. You get too vocal, you get targeted, it's as simple as that.

        I hope my response has helped you or others in some small way.

        Peace out...

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        • Profile picture of the author cobwab
          Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

          Adrian, I feel your pain. However, this has been my experience: the more your internet presence grows and the more content you have, the more you are opening yourself up to not only content thieves, but malicious hackers and bots, brute force attacks, etc.

          So, to all you Warriors who want to create a name for yourselves, be careful what you wish for, because it is hard to keep up with cyber crime - especially if your site is running open source software like WordPress.

          Be prepared to check or have someone checking your sites at all times - because as much as you have been lead to believe otherwise, NO software or plugin can completely stop anyone from hacking your sites if they really want to unless you're prepared to pay a web host 10's of thousands of dollars to secure your sites from attacks. And even then there are no guarantees.

          If I was to start all over again from scratch, I would do things way differently. I would forget about having a vanity site, even though that very same vanity site has helped me to make income, and I would probably be less vocal - not because of fear, but because it's so much smarter to keep one's opinions to oneself or at least private between close family and friends. You get too vocal, you get targeted, it's as simple as that.

          I hope my response has helped you or others in some small way.

          Peace out...

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          Very good advice. Thanks, Karen.
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        Who cares?!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Contact his hosting provider providing proof of your case and they will either shut him down or force him to take the content down.
      I tell you Hector- you guys must be makng a killing with your service.. nice and quietly

      no fanfare no loud noises just profit
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    • Profile picture of the author ejullya
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Contact his hosting provider providing proof of your case and they will either shut him down or force him to take the content down.
      Not necessarily. It happened to me in a couple of times by the same person (not on the forum). I found out his web host reported him and they would not do anything.

      Thievery happens all the time, sometimes I feel that publishers do not have a recourse, or if they do it is such a complicated process that without a lawyer it is hard to do.

      In my case the hosting provider put me in touch with their lawyers and they made me feel that I was at fault. I finally abandoned it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
    I never understood the whole thing of stealing someones content when you can spin your way into oblivion
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  • Profile picture of the author shane1234
    I would say look at it as a compliment. If your content isn't good enough to look at let alone steal then you have a problem. No one steals things that aren't of value.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by shane1234 View Post

      I would say look at it as a compliment. If your content isn't good enough to look at let alone steal then you have a problem. No one steals things that aren't of value.
      If someone steals your car would you look at it as compliment that you have a nice car?
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      • Profile picture of the author shane1234
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        If someone steals your car would you look at it as compliment that you have a nice car?
        My car is something I bought. It's not a reflection of my ability, ingenuity or creativity. The compliment comes when something I made out of creativity, and intelligence compels someone so much that they even go against what they know is right to obtain something that I created. Don't misunderstand me, the act itself is wrong and intolerable however the emotion my work provoked which led to the act is the same as any other admirer. The only difference is he lacks the character and the moral aptitude as the rest of us and should be dealt with appropriately.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by shane1234 View Post

      I would say look at it as a compliment. If your content isn't good enough to look at let alone steal then you have a problem. No one steals things that aren't of value.
      Well, here's an example of someone who tolerates and condones and excuses theft. Make note of him so you don't do any business with him.

      But generally, while most of us don't spend any amount of time policing the Internet for general wrongdoing, we don't condone it.

      There are DMCAs that take care of content theft right handily. Use one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Do you think that it's against forum rules?
        Not saying that at all - just that issuing a DMCA might be more effective. If you can't find their contact - you might find their hosting contact.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Not saying that at all - just that issuing might be more effective. If you can't find their contact - you might find their hosting contact.
          HostGator is his host and I'm preparing a DMCA submission. Now I was browsing his blog to see what else he has stolen. It's hard to browse it because it's a weird blog. By now I found there also articles written by Fabian Tan and Anik Singal (names & author's boxes removed, thief's name added instead). Stolen also from my blog where they were republished a few years ago. It looks like he started to copy everything from my blog. Now it's late night where he lives, maybe tomorrow he will continue his nice job and will duplicate everything LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

            I never understood the whole thing of stealing someones content when you can spin your way into oblivion
            That's still stealing someone's content, with mutilation thrown in to add insult to injury.

            Originally Posted by shane1234 View Post

            I would say look at it as a compliment. If your content isn't good enough to look at let alone steal then you have a problem. No one steals things that aren't of value.
            You've never worked in retail, have you? People will steal the dumbest things, you wouldn't believe. Hell, when I worked in restaurants, we had to fasten down all the wall decor or people would steal it.
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      • Profile picture of the author shane1234
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Well, here's an example of someone who tolerates and condones and excuses theft. Make note of him so you don't do any business with him.

        But generally, while most of us don't spend any amount of time policing the Internet for general wrongdoing, we don't condone it.

        There are DMCAs that take care of content theft right handily. Use one.
        Quite ignorant of you to believe my statement condones thievery in any way. Obviously your being so quick to judge clouds your comprehension. When someone steals anything needless to say it shouldn't be tolerated and should be dealt with accordingly. However, my glass is always half full and I tend to draw positivity and optimism out of the most dire situations.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
          Originally Posted by shane1234 View Post

          Quite ignorant of you to believe my statement condones thievery in any way. Obviously your being so quick to judge clouds your comprehension. When someone steals anything needless to say it shouldn't be tolerated and should be dealt with accordingly. However, my glass is always half full and I tend to draw positivity and optimism out of the most dire situations.
          What can be positive about someone stealing someone's content? I don't understand.
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          • Profile picture of the author shane1234
            Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

            What can be positive about someone stealing someone's content? I don't understand.
            I'm an optimist. If someone beats me to a bloody pulp, I say well at least I'm not dead. If I loose a finger, I say I still have nine left. If my girlfriend leaves me, I say there's more fish in the sea. And if someone steals something from me (specifically something I created ) I say well here's another misguided fan. By dwelling on the negative only perpetuates negativity. I tend to find the brighter side of darkness, you may be of a different opinion, but my glass is always half full never empty.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by shane1234 View Post

          Quite ignorant of you to believe my statement condones thievery in any way. Obviously your being so quick to judge clouds your comprehension. When someone steals anything needless to say it shouldn't be tolerated and should be dealt with accordingly. However, my glass is always half full and I tend to draw positivity and optimism out of the most dire situations.
          Excuse me but you said:

          I would say look at it as a compliment. If your content isn't good enough to look at let alone steal then you have a problem. No one steals things that aren't of value.
          If that isn't being an apologist for thieves, I don't know what is. Theft is not flattery. It's theft. Your statement makes it sound like they are nothing more than a connoisseur of great writing and that we should be happy that they graced us with their attention. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author shane1234
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Excuse me but you said:



            If that isn't being an apologist for thieves, I don't know what is. Theft is not flattery. It's theft. Your statement makes it sound like they are nothing more than a connoisseur of great writing and that we should be happy that they graced us with their attention. :rolleyes:
            Theft is wrong. Let us both agree on this because I am of the same mind. Flattery comes in all forms, let's not get into that. And being happy of the attention received from a thief? Not at all my point. I simply looked to understand what provoked the incident in the first place. I'm aware of the act, it is clear, it is wrong! Now let's look at what caused it in the first place. I don't like looking at things in terms of black and white, he did this and that's it he's a thief, he's bad, cut and dry. I like to dig deeper and see what provoked the situation to occur in the first place. I perceived it as blind admiration for ones work which led to thievery. I'm not condoning it, just making an observation. I'm not excusing the actual crime, just simply stating why I believed it happened in the first place.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
              Originally Posted by shane1234 View Post

              I perceived it as blind admiration for ones work which led to thievery.
              The problem with this is that your perception is not based on anything resembling evidence. It could be that the content thief is nothing but a lazy jerk who doesn't care how he gets ahead. I'd be more inclined to admit the possibility of the 'blind admiration' theory if the thief had attributed the writer. Still doubtful, but at least possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    It appears he used your RSS feed. You may want to put a use policy in it or not publish the entire article.

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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      It appears he used your RSS feed. You may want to put a use policy in it or not publish the entire article.
      Garrie, the feed includes the whole articles, including my name and my P.S. Is not the feed the one who removed them
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  • Profile picture of the author phowell23
    Isn't this just called syndicated content?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by phowell23 View Post

      Isn't this just called syndicated content?
      Removing author's name and his P.S. from the article and then replacing author's name by your name ... don't look like syndicated content

      Adrian

      P.S. By the way, in the meantime my articles and Fabian's article were deleted from that blog. Anik Singal's article is still there [If you read this, delete it! It starts like this: "Newsletter advertising has been getting a bad rap lately"]
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        Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

        Removing author's name and his P.S. from the article and then replacing author's name by your name ... don't look like syndicated content

        Adrian

        P.S. By the way, in the meantime my articles and Fabian's article were deleted from that blog. Anik Singal's article is still there [If you read this, delete it! It starts like this: "Newsletter advertising has been getting a bad rap lately"]
        If you do a search for that phrase in Google with quotes, there's a million of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          If you do a search for that phrase in Google with quotes, there's a million of them.
          That was addressed to him. He should search only on his blog where only a few articles are posted; there's no need to search on Google

          Adrian

          P.S. If many other people republished that article, infringing the copyright (by removing author's name, etc) or not (by republishing the article according to EzineArticles.com rules), is not really our problem, or is it?
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

            That was addressed to him. He should search only on his blog where only a few articles are posted; there's no need to search on Google

            Adrian

            P.S. If many other people republished that article, infringing the copyright (by removing author's name, etc) or not (by republishing the article according to EzineArticles.com rules), is not really our problem, or is it?
            I don't condone copyright infringement, but unless it's my content, no ... it's not my problem. The day is too short to worry about all the scams, theft, fraud, etc that goes on in the world. I've got work to do. There are resources for everyone to take advantage of if they want to take care of their own problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    Thank's if you glanced up at your PM's after reading the opening post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    what if... The website owner bought the content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
      Originally Posted by Rbtmarshall View Post

      what if... The website owner bought the content.
      I already responded to that. Today someone visited exactly the articles that were stolen. You can't replicate that randomly! Visit my blog and you won't be able to visit exactly the articles that were copied (5 random articles, not the most recent 5).

      Anyway, you mean that he copied my articles plus Fabian's article, then checked Anik's article without copying it and bought it from someone else? That doesn't make sense to me, sorry
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      Originally Posted by Rbtmarshall View Post

      what if... The website owner bought the content.
      Then he got screwed.

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  • Profile picture of the author Buildyourbiz
    I won't speak for anyone else here in this forum, but honest and integrity should always come first imho. BUT...this is the anonymous internet and it seems to most people, anything pretty much goes.

    I would like to think if someone copy's someone else's unique content, Google will punish the thief and continue to reward the original author, however I am not sure if that is always the case and perhaps someone more knowledgeable can chime in on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Adrian, I think you're 'in-the-right' in the manner in which you're handling this, absolutely.

    Creating quality content is a skill set, and one that takes great effort... I certainly don't condone allowing anyone to just 'rip off' your hard work, others, or mine for that matter.

    Hopefully, you'll update, and I'm sure you'll get the persons attention pretty quick with the DMCA and pm sent.

    Looking forward to seeing the outcome, I'd have to guess, it would be in 'his' best interest to 'remove' your content and any others works whom may not be aware he's 'borrowed' their content too!

    Personally, the fact that it's another warrior really doesn't matter, but might explain how he found the content through your sig perhaps?

    People should realize to 'swipe' ideas and recreate them or make them unique and of better value is a good honest practice... to take someone's work as it is, and just add authorship/ownership, nah... not a big fan of that behavior myself... cease and desist seems in order.

    Good luck.

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    • Profile picture of the author Benny L
      It sounds to me like he found your information to be useful and liked what he saw. Based on the fact he removed it, it also sounds like he is an honest IMer.

      Why not apologize to him for being maybe a little hasty in judgment and see if the two of you can work together? Maybe he has some skills you can use as well...
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      • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
        Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

        It sounds to me like he found your information to be useful and liked what he saw. Based on the fact he removed it
        More likely he's read this thread, realized his covers have been pulled and is now scrambling to clean up his mess.

        I've seen it happen that way before.

        I think this thread is a good example of the power of this forum for more than just getting your sig. views.

        Thanks for this interesting post.
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        • Profile picture of the author Benny L
          Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

          More likely he's read this thread, realized his covers have been pulled and is now scrambling to clean up his mess.

          I've seen it happen that way before.

          I think this thread is a good example of the power of this forum for more than just getting your sig. views.

          Thanks for this interesting post.
          Why look at it from the most negative viewpoint? If that guy were me, and if I were "stealing" content, and if my cover were "blown", so what? WF isn't the internet police. I'd leave the pages up and keep rolling. It seems to me that the guy is trying to do the right thing.

          If anything, it's easy to forget that all content came from "somebody" at some point....
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      • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
        Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

        Based on the fact he removed it, it also sounds like he is an honest IMer.

        Why not apologize to him for being maybe a little hasty in judgment and see if the two of you can work together? Maybe he has some skills you can use as well...
        So if someone steals YOUR car (whatever), but he is discovered and then the car returned... that person sounds like he is an honest (!?) person? And you should APOLOGIZE (!?) for being maybe a little hasty in judgement? And see if the two of you can work together (maybe by stealing other people's cars)?

        No offense but... are you serious?
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        • Profile picture of the author Benny L
          Originally Posted by Adrian Jock View Post

          So if someone steals YOUR car (whatever), but he is discovered and then the car returned... that person sounds like he is an honest (!?) person? And you should APOLOGIZE (!?) for being maybe a little hasty in judgement? And see if the two of you can work together (maybe by stealing other people's cars)?

          No offense but... are you serious?
          Yeah. Your position sounds a bit hypocritical in light of the way that many IMers advocate creating original content. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people here telling others to get some content off the web and rewrite it a bit and make it your own.

          The fear about copying content here is never about "copyrights"... it's about SERPs and such. The only thing unique in this case is that one Warrior happened to inadvertently rip off another Warrior. So no we're acting all high and mighty about it. Sorry, but the attitude stinks.

          I write my own original content. I don't copy anybody's stuff. I don't seek out other peoples material to get "ideas" from it.... but to most people here, from what I've seen, it's perfectly alright. The only difference this time is it hit a little closer to home and that makes some hypocrites feel a bit uncomfortable.

          So yes, indeed, I'm not sure the "thief" is necessarily a bad guy. He was just trying to fill up some pages and thought he could get away with it. It doesn't mean he's not a wiz when it comes to other areas of IM and isn't worth sussing out for some possible win-win outcomes. I mean, hey! You know what he needs and he likes what you do. That's 2/3rds of the way to an understanding.
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          • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jock
            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            The fear about copying content here is never about "copyrights"... it's about SERPs and such.
            There's no problem if you have another opinion. And thank you for the "hypocrite" thing. You can add idiot, stupid or whatever you want, it's your choice, I still don't like thieves

            There is only one thing I would like to correct from your "opinion"... I know better than you what I think and I know better than you what my opinion is...

            No, I don't care about "SERPs and such". I do care about copyright.

            Thank you for stopping by.
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          • Profile picture of the author art72
            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            sounds bit hypocritical in light of the way that many IMers advocate creating original content. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people here telling others to get some content off the web and rewrite it a bit and make it your own.
            While you're not wrong in the sense that many do suggest 'borrowing content' - the consensus is to 'change' the work, NOT simply cut & paste and claim ownership... there is a BIG, BIG difference between the two!

            I mean c'mon Nikola Tesla created the underlying blueprint for the 'induction motor' which is still at the base design for many of the motors, alternators, and generators we still use today... did others seek benefit from HIS work, absolutely. Is that a compliment to the creator, absolutely.

            However, they did not take his "EXACT" model and 'claim ownership' ...THIS IS the core of this discussion. And for those who do attempt to flat out steal someone's exact works...should be and have been punished or in the least WARNED to cease and desist!

            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            The fear about copying content here is never about "copyrights"... it's about SERPs and such.
            I disagree. I don't rely on the SERP's in many of the marketing practices I use to get 'laser' targeted traffic. As such, I heavily rely on my content (*my writings and ideas) and the value that content provides for my readers/visitors. So in short, it IS all about copyrights!

            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            I write my own original content. I don't copy anybody's stuff. I don't seek out other peoples material to get "ideas" from it.... but to most people here, from what I've seen, it's perfectly alright.
            Yes, it IS often suggested to 'get ideas' to 'replicate' success, to train oneself to 'understand the underlying dynamics of 'what's working' in the marketplace, the world, and in life itself.

            By all means, this IS NOT... "Wow, this guy's articles are amazing... let me just 'take em' - put my name on it - and call it day!" - Again, BIG differences here.

            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            That's 2/3rds of the way to an understanding.
            To my understanding nearly everything we know as human beings "has been borrowed" and build upon from those before us, as it's part of the process in evolving our intelligence.

            There are few things 'we ourselves' can do/create that are 'raw undiscovered findings', we simply add to what has already been established... and unless you are suggesting; ALL your content is "Raw unaltered, undiscovered, and newly found information?" - then we're all hypocrites, are we not?

            If you are saying your content is some "new found information, never before imagined" - "lead me to your optin as I am personally in search of this 'higher intelligence' you speak so boldly of myself"

            Seriously, we all know the internet is 'scraped' by auto blogging junk, article spun garbage, and 'borrowed ideas' - I don't think your argument holds much weight or gives any consideration to the differences discussed in the manner this man's work has been stolen, taken, and/or used... again, BIG, BIG difference than the "concept" of someone rewriting those articles or reformulating the idea(s) within them.

            The "conception" process (*of being born into existence) generally derives from that which we see or feel IS good and we seek out from others to (impart) be of benefit to ourselves... it's part of the survival process, and like it or not, most of "who and what you are" in this very moment IS an accumulation of knowledge you've acquired or borrowed from every influence in your life up to this point!

            Perhaps, you realize this and our saying; "It's petty to worry about someone taking this man's work" - I understand that... I simply think there are more practical methods than that of just cutting corners and stealing it... and those who do steal should be instructed to acknowledge that truth.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            Yeah. Your position sounds a bit hypocritical in light of the way that many IMers advocate creating original content. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people here telling others to get some content off the web and rewrite it a bit and make it your own.

            The fear about copying content here is never about "copyrights"... it's about SERPs and such. The only thing unique in this case is that one Warrior happened to inadvertently rip off another Warrior. So no we're acting all high and mighty about it. Sorry, but the attitude stinks.
            I don't know what threads you're reading, but every thread I've read about stealing other people's content, whether it is just rewriting a bit or all out theft like this, there are strong opinions against it here.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            I can't tell you how many times I've heard people here telling others to get some content off the web and rewrite it a bit and make it your own.
            Normally followed by a succession of more realistic, more intelligent members explaining to them that that would be theft, risking losing their sites, risking damaging their reputations, you mean? And the lawyers here commenting on "derivative works" and breaches of copyright, and so on?

            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            The fear about copying content here is never about "copyrights"...
            That's just nonsense.

            When a hosting company removes someone's website, in compliance with a DMCA takedown notice, that's entirely about copyrights, and that's what thieves (rightly) fear.

            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            I'm not sure the "thief" is necessarily a bad guy.
            I don't think the extent to which he's a "bad guy" is very relevant to Adrian. Nor would it be to me. I'd care that he's a thief, though.

            Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

            It doesn't mean he's not a wiz when it comes to other areas of IM
            And that's relevant ... how?! When someone's stolen my car, am I supposed to care whether he's a wiz at "other areas of motoring"? What on Earth are you talking about?! :confused: :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    Personally him copying your blog's content won't do his site any favors. It's a known fact that Google doesn't like duplicate content and him copying your site will only hurt his own site's growth in the long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anurag96
    The only thing I would do after someone would stole my content is, I would complaint it to Google. So, that Google would remove his/her URLs from its SERPS. That's the best way of Plagiarism.

    And the thing is there is no end to these type of people they will surely copy content and than would paste them on their website but the thing is Google is also smart. So, it may give the credit to you.So , your blog would rank better in SERPs even without reporting.
    That;s what I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author focusedlife
    Its troubling to discover plagirism, however, I love the use of Mark Anastasi in your sales letter (pretty powerful stuff).

    I did the same thing with my fiverr gigs when I got 5 orders from Perry Marshall.

    Again, sorry to hear that, but its going to happen...I just figured out a way to leverage it.

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  • Profile picture of the author CatK
    I'd be reporting it to Google for sure. This post is interesting and shows what Matt Cutts thinks about it. Stolen Content Outranking You On Google? It may be helpful to you.

    I hate stealers!
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    • Profile picture of the author wesawu
      It is not acceptable. I would give the thief notice to take it down immediately. If he doesn't then notify his hosting company and google.
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    • Profile picture of the author rae081
      Unfortunately the internet is crawling with content thieves. As internet marketers it is just something we have to deal with whether we like it or not. A few months ago I came across a blog site that had copied some of my content almost verbatim. At first I was flattered that someone thought my work was good enough to copy and then I got pissed because I started thinking about the duplicate content rule that google has and wanted to make sure I wouldn't be penalized for having my own work on my site. You can report duplicate content by visiting Google Copyright Removal . You'll need to log in to your google account... Good luck
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
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        • Profile picture of the author rae081
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          affiliate link in signature is not allowed - read the rules, please
          Thanks Kay King. Thought it was just not allowed in posts... will fix immediately...
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  • Profile picture of the author Henri Lind
    We don't tolerate them, but there is nothing we can do, so why bother getting angry on something like this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    That was some clever detective work.

    I have had so much content stolen over the years it makes me sick. I used to post a CopyScape banner on my sites but it didn't seem to help at all.

    I have found that in almost 100% of the cases the thief's site is sub-par for many reasons and looks like it is not getting much traffic anyway. In one case, however, they were outranking me for several articles. They had even copied my home page word for word. One email threatening a DMCA and they took everything off immediately.

    I have never thought to check to see if a thief is a WF member. To answer your question, no, I do not think this forum intentionally tolerates plagiarism. Like any large forum there are certainly some undercurrents among individual members but overall there is a great abhorrence to any and all bluefart tactics.

    Since you also found the other author's plagiarized articles I applaud you for calling the thief out on those too. Maybe you have given him/her a wake up call and they will change their ways.
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