First encounter with content.

by NA5H3R
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Hey guys,

I have basically thrown myself into the deep end having no knowldege about IM and decided to actually take action or i will not get anywhere.

I'm at the stage now where i have literally a day ago set up my website preventbiketheft.com, I have done a bit of research into the niche and now need content, bike theft prevention tips, articles, and product reviews, I have a page of rough content so far.

I wondered if anybody would be ever so kind to advise, help, put me in the direction of a website/guide/ preferably a free or cheap service as ive just started to help me collate this content for my website.

I've never done this before and am at the stage where i need to learn or outsource content creation, as im worried i will not be able to produce quality copy that sells and converts clicks on ads afilliate links and purchases products if you get my drift,

Sorry if this seems like a rant, but i wanted to talk to the WF about this so i can get moving and make this site work before i start my on page seo and word my arse off with offline seo.

Thanks to anyone who read this and adds to the thread.
#content #encounter
  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    You should mix longtail targets with emotional appeal to produce engaging content.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    It doesn't seem like a rant but I'm a little puzzled. Why did you choose this market? Do you know anything about preventing bike theft or did you choose this because you thought it might be profitable? It's far easier to market something you're familiar with.

    As for getting quality content. Check out this fine writer. Rose Anderson
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    • Profile picture of the author NA5H3R
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It doesn't seem like a rant but I'm a little puzzled. Why did you choose this market? Do you know anything about preventing bike theft or did you choose this because you thought it might be profitable? It's far easier to market something you're familiar with.

      As for getting quality content. Check out this fine writer. Rose Anderson
      I just needed to take the plunge and learn otherwise i would have been talking about doing it forever, i have researched tips to prevent bike tips extensively and plan o review products. i just want to learn the ropes, make a site profitable and scale it up.

      I think I over thought the keyword research too much so just dived right in, i think next time i will need to get someone to help me with my keyword research.

      Thanks for the link btw. I'll surely take a look.
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      • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
        Good luck craig
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      • Profile picture of the author IMDESTROYER
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        Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

        I just needed to take the plunge and learn otherwise i would have been talking about doing it forever, i have researched tips to prevent bike tips extensively and plan o review products. i just want to learn the ropes, make a site profitable and scale it up.

        I think I over thought the keyword research too much so just dived right in, i think next time i will need to get someone to help me with my keyword research.

        Thanks for the link btw. I'll surely take a look.
        I can help you with keyword and market research. Let me know. I love doing the research part, it exposes everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It doesn't seem like a rant but I'm a little puzzled. Why did you choose this market?
      I don't know why people do this. Honestly....

      I spoke to a lady last year who asked me for my help regarding her website. She said she "wasn't making any money". So I asked her for the link, and she sent it to me.

      I was confronted by this website that had .....(get ready for this)

      700 hand written reviews about VACUUM CLEANERS!

      VACUUM CLEANERS!!!

      I was in disbelief.

      I asked her ..."Man, you must really be into vacuum cleaners, yes?"

      She replied .."No not really, I just did it because I thought I could make some money"

      ............................................ :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

        I was confronted by this website that had .....(get ready for this)

        700 hand written reviews about VACUUM CLEANERS!
        It gives you a choice between telling her "Your site really blows" or "Your site really sucks".
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I had my bike stolen and it was brand new. Best advice is to get an old rusty one. Like at a garage sale and do not pay a lot of money. It is sad when your brand new bike is gone. Still, I wonder who would break into my tool shed to steal a cheap $99 bike, but there we go.
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  • Profile picture of the author NA5H3R
    Anyone got any advice for me?
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      .....As for getting quality content. Check out this fine writer. Rose Anderson
      Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

      Anyone got any advice for me?
      Believe me, the single sentence and everything you can read contributed by Alexa Smith is all the advice you need...
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  • Profile picture of the author Entrecon
    I am not even sure what you are asking. If you are strictly asking about how to create content you have 3 options.
    1. Write it yourself
    2. Have Someone else write it
    3. Get content that is already created that you have the right to use.

    Many folks will tell you that while it is okay to have a few items from number 3, you don't want to build your whole site around it. Number 1 is the cheapest option. If you are a half way decent writer and have been researching the topic, then you should be able to bang out articles fairly quickly, just don't try to be a perfectionist.

    Number 2 comes in many flavors and costs. You can try to find some folks over at fiverr to do the articles for you. You can find warriors in the warriors for hire section on this forum or you can use a service like odesk, freelancer, etc. The other thing you could try to do is reach out to other people in the field and get them to write blogs/articles for you. Most will just want credit for the article and a link back to theirs.

    The last part of all of this, is that you really haven't told anyone here what type of site you are creating. What is your model? Where is the revenue? Are you hoping people will click on banners? Are you trying to sell them an info product? Are you trying to build a list? If you think you are just going to build a site, throw some content and a few banners on it and be flooded with visitors, you are mistaken. You really need to determine what your strategy is before you just start throwing content up on your site. This is kind of like starting to paint a room and then deciding what color you want it to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author mahol
      I faced many problems with FIVERR WRITERS....

      most of them dont understand what does it mean of "UNIQUE ARTICLES"

      most of them used to send me "SPUN ARTICLES"

      so you need to be carefull while ordering any gig related to blog content from fiverr..
      Originally Posted by Entrecon View Post

      I am not even sure what you are asking. If you are strictly asking about how to create content you have 3 options.
      1. Write it yourself
      2. Have Someone else write it
      3. Get content that is already created that you have the right to use.

      Many folks will tell you that while it is okay to have a few items from number 3, you don't want to build your whole site around it. Number 1 is the cheapest option. If you are a half way decent writer and have been researching the topic, then you should be able to bang out articles fairly quickly, just don't try to be a perfectionist.

      Number 2 comes in many flavors and costs. You can try to find some folks over at fiverr to do the articles for you. You can find warriors in the warriors for hire section on this forum or you can use a service like odesk, freelancer, etc. The other thing you could try to do is reach out to other people in the field and get them to write blogs/articles for you. Most will just want credit for the article and a link back to theirs.

      The last part of all of this, is that you really haven't told anyone here what type of site you are creating. What is your model? Where is the revenue? Are you hoping people will click on banners? Are you trying to sell them an info product? Are you trying to build a list? If you think you are just going to build a site, throw some content and a few banners on it and be flooded with visitors, you are mistaken. You really need to determine what your strategy is before you just start throwing content up on your site. This is kind of like starting to paint a room and then deciding what color you want it to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

    im worried i will not be able to produce quality copy that sells
    Am I right in thinking that you're an affiliate and not a vendor, Nasher? You don't have your own "bike-security product" which you're doing this in order to sell, right?

    If you are (an affiliate), the last thing you need or want on your site is "copy that sells". (Other than possibly a paragraph to "sell" your opt-in: that's the one thing you do need to "sell", so you can build your list).

    Affiliate don't "sell": it's up to the vendor to do that.

    Have you established whether there are products in this niche that you can promote as an affiliate? :confused:

    Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

    i wanted to talk to the WF about this so i can get moving and make this site work before i start my on page seo and word my arse off with offline seo.
    You're going to generate your traffic from SEO? Personally, I'd suggest that you don't to put too much of your time and effort into trying to attract "organic SERP's" traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried in 8 entirely different niches over the whole of the last 4 years - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (because high rankings for multiple keywords happen to be a minor side-benefit of the main targeted traffic-generation method I use to build my business) but I'd certainly hate to have to make a living just from that traffic, and I wouldn't even be cursing too much if Google de-indexed all my sites this afternoon. Don't depend on search engines for traffic. That's what so many of the people here (and in other forums) have done, who end up wondering where they've gone so wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author NA5H3R
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Am I right in thinking that you're an affiliate and not a vendor, Nasher? You don't have your own "bike-security product" which you're doing this in order to sell, right?

      If you are (an affiliate), the last thing you need or want on your site is "copy that sells". (Other than possibly a paragraph to "sell" your opt-in: that's the one thing you do need to "sell", so you can build your list).

      Affiliate don't "sell": it's up to the vendor to do that.

      Have you established whether there are products in this niche that you can promote as an affiliate? :confused:
      I'm an afilliate, im planning on people clicking adsense ads, buying products from amazon through articles and reviews (thats the only way i can think i can monetise). i dont think i can build a list in this niche?

      thanks for the advice on Google rankings
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

        i dont think i can build a list in this niche?
        I can't begin to see why, but I admit I know nothing about the niche. But if that's really true, and for some reason I don't understand bicycle-owners (of whom I'm not one) don't use the internet or don't join lists, then for heaven's sake choose another niche instead!

        Don't set out in something for which you can't build a list - talk about "stacking the deck against yourself"!!

        You're discussing setting something up in a line of enterprise at which perhaps 95% - 99% of people fail (depending on whose figures you believe), and the biggest single determinant of who succeeds and who fails is probably "who builds and manages a list effectively". Don't even dream of not building a list! Just my perspective. (Well, really, not "just my perspective" at all - it's probably the perspective of every person here who actually makes a living through niche affiliate sites).
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        • Profile picture of the author NA5H3R
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I can't begin to see why, but I admit I know nothing about the niche. But if that's really true, and for some reason I don't understand bicycle-owners (of whom I'm not one) don't use the internet or don't join lists, then for heaven's sake choose another niche instead!

          Don't set out in something for which you can't build a list - talk about "stacking the deck against yourself"!!

          You're discussing setting something up in a line of enterprise at which perhaps 95% - 99% of people fail (depending on whose figures you believe), and the biggest single determinant of who succeeds and who fails is probably "who builds and manages a list effectively". Don't even dream of not building a list! Just my perspective. (Well, really, not "just my perspective" at all - it's probably the perspective of every person here who actually makes a living through niche affiliate sites).
          im sorry, its just i realised i would get no help in IM until people saw that i was acting upon what people were saying, i just chose the niche because i listened to a half hour radio show about the topic.

          I think i need a writer who can help me realise that i can have an info product created to build a list, and have good quality content on the same time.

          Im really struggling as this is my first shot at IM.
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          • Profile picture of the author DeeElle
            Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

            im sorry, its just i realised i would get no help in IM until people saw that i was acting upon what people were saying, i just chose the niche because i listened to a half hour radio show about the topic.
            I think, being brand new, you'd have a much easier time choosing a niche you know quite a lot about and can speak on/write about confidently and consistently. In doing that, you just may find that you'll have a much easier time creating your content (maybe without having to spend money on writers) and can focus more intently on learning how to build up your list and traffic.

            Right now you run the risk of burnout so early in the game. Take it easy, pick something simple that you know about or can learn about fairly easily, and you can always branch out into more challenging, profitable niches later on once you get more comfortable with the overall process.

            Congratulations on taking your first steps - keep at it!
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

            I think i need a writer who can help me realise that i can have an info product created to build a list, and have good quality content on the same time.
            Yes - that's a good approach.

            And the "info product"/"free report" you'd probably want to give people to build the list can be a pretty short one (the ones I use all are), as long as it serves the important purposes for which you need it.

            Here are three posts/threads which may, between them, help you (quite a lot!) ...

            What are the essential things to know about list building?

            Where to get reports to give away on opt in page?

            The Use of Lead Capture Page Getting Outdated?

            I think you probably need to decide on a niche (not the easiest of things to do, I know) before looking for a writer, though? There are plenty of threads here on niche-selection. Ideally, you'd want a compromise between (on the one hand) something in which you're reasonably interested yourself, and (on the other hand) something with a few decent products to promote, a genuine market and not overwhelming competition.

            Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

            Im really struggling as this is my first shot at IM.
            Got it ... good luck!

            Well, whatever you do, I'd advise you to stay away from "IM-niches" and "MMO-niches" - trying those first is a hugely common cause of screw-ups, for lots of different reasons (some of them obvious and some far less obvious).

            There are so many good writers for e-books and site content here that I'm always frightened of making recommendations, through feeling guilty and offending people over all the people I fail to mention. But these three Warriors certainly all happen to spring to mind, on a Friday, in the context you've mentioned, for very good quality and very reasonable prices ...

            Professional Article Writer, Web Content Writer and Blogger (James Logan - View Profile: LetsGoViral )

            Zabrina: Quality Articles Every Time! (Zabrina - View Profile: Zabrina )

            http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...me-author.html (Rose Anderson - View Profile: Rose Anderson )
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  • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
    Write for your audience first. Don't worry about SEO, that will come later.

    The most important thing, though, is to build a list. I'm in the process of getting my first affiliate site up and ready but I've not done anything except research and write so far.

    IMO, from what I've heard, read and been told, this is what I will be doing:

    1. Writing a good number (say 25 or more) of articles on the topics associated with the niche.
    2. Write a report with more indepth information in it and some really good tips.
    3. Build the website in Wordpress (or anything else for that matter) with clean and clear navigation to each page.
    4. Place an opt-in form on the pages at eye grabbing points, offering the free report you wrote in step 2.
    5. Set up an auto responder email series that sends more free info to your new list.
    6. After 2-4 emails, send them a really good offer you've found that may be of use. Link to your affiliate product.
    7. Drive your audience towards these opt-in forms.
    8. Search for relevant blogs and read them.
    9. Contact them, saying you've got an interesting article that fits their audience and may be of use to them. Send them one of the articles off your site, with an author bio linking back to a relevant page.
    10. Rinse and Repeat.

    I may have missed somethings out, but that's the general gist.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

      I may have missed somethings out, but that's the general gist.
      It's a very good "general gist", too.

      The only thing I do which is significantly different from that is that I start off with a lot fewer than 25 articles. I get going with 3 or 4. And it's quite a long time before I have as many as 25.
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      • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It's a very good "general gist", too.

        The only thing I do which is significantly different from that is that I start off with a lot less than 25 articles. I get going with 3 or 4. And it's quite a long time before I have as many as 25.
        Really? So you just get the "bare bones" of the site up asap? I was thinking I should get a more complete site up sooner and then gradually look for blogs...

        I keep being postponed on this, though. I'm really going to start over Easter as I'm spending a lot of time on trains and planes, so more writing time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
          Originally Posted by seobro View Post

          I had my bike stolen and it was brand new. Best advice is to get an old rusty one. Like at a garage sale and do not pay a lot of money. It is sad when your brand new bike is gone. Still, I wonder who would break into my tool shed to steal a cheap $99 bike, but there we go.
          Not sure about the US but in teh UK even rusty old £10 bikes get stolen. In fact anything that looks like a bike gets stolen - locked or unlocked. Even when councils offer free community bikes, they get stolen! I really don't know where they all go to.

          What seems rife is simply stealing a bike for free ride home:confused:

          I have a daughter at university that relies on her bike to get back and forth between digs, lectures and work and she gets them stolen so often I feel like I have standing order at the bike shop.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          It's a very good "general gist", too.

          The only thing I do which is significantly different from that is that I start off with a lot less than 25 articles. I get going with 3 or 4. And it's quite a long time before I have as many as 25.
          Yes definitely, You don't need to wait for dozens of articles. Better to start with even just one if it gets you going, nothing sat on your computer will ever make any money. and once you get that first one up you will be motivated to get more up.

          As mentioned above, don't write to sell just write stuff that visitors will enjoy, find useful and likely want to come back to see more.

          I say it often (and will keep saying it) Don't worry about making money, that is the easy part that happens by default in the end. It's building the foundations to get there that is the hard part.

          good luck
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

          Really? So you just get the "bare bones" of the site up asap?
          Yes, exactly this. Enough content for it not to look as if it was just thrown up half an hour before the first traffic arrives (even if it was, sometimes!), the prominently incentivized opt-in, the necessary legal stuff like the affiliate disclosure and so on, and 3 or 4 articles - that's enough for me to start.

          Of course, I'll gradually add to the content, as I go along. (I add 3 articles per month, per niche site, and can see the exact ages of my sites by counting the articles!).

          Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

          I was thinking I should get a more complete site up sooner and then gradually look for blogs...
          Well, you can, of course - it's just as valid a way to do it.

          Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

          I'm really going to start over Easter as I'm spending a lot of time on trains and planes, so more writing time.
          Yes, this is always good writing time.
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          • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Yes, exactly this. Enough content for it not to look as if it was just thrown up half an hour before the first traffic arrives (even if it was, sometimes!), the prominently incentivized opt-in, the necessary legal stuff like the affiliate disclosure and so on, and 3 or 4 articles - that's enough for me to start.

            Of course, I'll gradually add to the content, as I go along. (I add 3 articles per month, per niche site, and can see the exact ages of my sites by counting the articles!).



            Well, you can, of course - it's just as valid a way to do it.



            Yes, this is always good writing time.
            Cheers.

            Actually, you do raise one last question: although I'm sure I've heard the answer before, I can't remember it...

            Where do you disclose that you're an affiliate? In the articles or on your about page? In the emails you send too?

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

              Where do you disclose that you're an affiliate? In the articles or on your about page? In the emails you send too?
              Not in articles. On my site ("about" and/or equivalent and/or other pages - I don't usually have a page called specifically "about"), in the "free report" I give them in exchange for their email address (for me, this is the important place to discuss and explain it to them, really fully and openly, because this is a key part of achieving and maintaining high open-rates for my emails), and periodically in emails as well.

              Since starting my business, I've always looked at "affiliate disclosure" as a good, positive and helpful thing for me, and something I want to do as much of as possible, because it really works to my advantage and the more I "push" it, the more I sell. It's easy to make yourself stand out from other affiliates by doing this, and subscribers love openness and integrity: it all helps them to trust you, and of course that's (very directly!) where the money is, in affiliate marketing.

              A lot of people imagine that buying through an affiliate link is going to cost them more money, and a lot of affiliate commissions are unnecessarily lost by affiliate who haven't explained openly, to their audience, how affiliate marketing actually works.

              I even tell people "what I spend the money on" (sometimes half jokingly - but I mention that I use some of it for the maintenance of my websites, hosting, etc.). I think it makes you sound normal, and human, and helps people to relate to you - in other words, it's part of branding yourself or your pen-name.

              I think you should assume that your subscribers are on a few other lists as well, and that a lot of your income depends on "becoming the person through whose link they decide to buy".

              I really believe that the people who try to minimize/conceal that they're affiliates, by mentioning it only minimally and/or with legalistic-sounding wording (and many affiliates do this!) rather than boldly and openly and in simple English, are making a huge mistake of which I'm often indirectly the beneficiary.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Another thing that works is writing posts around topics that get lots of buzz at twitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Now that was funny.
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    • Profile picture of the author MP80
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      I had my bike stolen and it was brand new. Best advice is to get an old rusty one. Like at a garage sale and do not pay a lot of money. It is sad when your brand new bike is gone. Still, I wonder who would break into my tool shed to steal a cheap $99 bike, but there we go.
      I hear you.. Had a similar thing happen with my lawnmower.. $550 worth! I'm pretty sure it was the termite inspection guy, but could never prove anything.

      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Now that was funny.
      Not to mention quick!
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  • Profile picture of the author Trev81
    Man check out The Challenge

    It's a great introduction to Internet marketing and will give you some good tips along the way. As you have your site already just roll with the one you have but check it out quick as it is due to be taken down soon due to a new one on the way for August.

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