I need as many JV's as I can get...help!

[nuneybopper]

Hey guys, I'm in a bit of a dilemma. Basically, I have about 3 weeks to make at least a few thousand dollars. This isn't much of a problem, I just need to set up as many joint ventures as possible, preferably with top marketers. I have some connections but as you all know, most proficient internet marketers are very busy and in this short time frame it will be cumbersome.

All JV partners need to do is tell their subscribers / contact base about my huge permanent giveaway site using a special link and then they make $48.50 for each sale of my $97 special offer. Plus they still get credited if the sale is made later on.

The whole thing is very easy since it's free and who can refuse free stuff to help them out?...However I am at a loss for deciding on the best methods for getting this done in three weeks. On the upside, I have a friend importer like MySpace does so people can invite their entire contacts list at once, so I could potentially get millions of visitors just from that. I just need a good chunk of initial traffic, preferably traffic that has been referred by someone they know and trust.

How should I go about this? There's the usual way of emailing random webmasters, which I intend to do to a certain extent. Then my "people in the know" are going to try and set me up, but you can never know what will happen. May be a few super affiliates with huge lists, but I'm not counting on that.

Let me know any ideas you can come up with, or better yet, proven strategies for constricted situations like this.

[JamesPenn]

Here's a few ways. There's thousands of ways to find affiliates and JV partners however.

First, go to Google, type in keywords related to your product and find the top sites. Find their contact email and contact them.

Second, go to Clickbank.com, go to the Marketplace and find vendors selling products similar to yours. Contact them.

Third, go to EzineArticles.com Read articles in your niche and follow the resource box links. Find the contact emails of the sites and email them.

Fourth, network with people you know working in your niche. Ask them to spread your name and contact info to other people working in your niche.

[Khuram Dhanani]

Hey there!

When doing a JV, specially with some of the big names - you have to bring a lot more to the table then they do.

And here's why.

Do you really think people with list of 500,000 have any short coming on JV request? Any problems with finding affiliate products? Or better yet, creating their own products?

See how you can help them first - and the JV will follow. See what you can do for them. See what you can bring to the table. Remember, you need them - they DON'T need you.

Start off with a casual conversation and get to know them a bit. I know you're on a time crunch here - but approaching strangers to promote your product will have a very low conversion rate... very low.

If you provide the JV partner you want with what they want - you will get your JV. Find out what they want/need, give it to them, get to know them, provide them with value, then go for the JV.

[nuneybopper]

Yeah, becoming friends is always a better dynamic. I know that firsthand and it has benefited me enormously. But when I'm contacting hundreds of webmasters, I don't exactly have the time to be all buddy-buddy, at least not in the waiting to hear their casual reply a few times before I mention my offer. I think it's better to save that for the bigger fish. Maybe I could also mention I could feature their products on my site in addition to them making commissions.

[jhongren]

Hi, finding JV partners is really an art.

It is in fact building trust and relationship and needs time.

The gurus have lots on their plates and are really busy.

If someone, most likely a stranger approaches them for JV, it seldom works.

For me, what works is I got referred by friend who know friends.

Again, there must be some sense in credibility and track record in you which makes your friend feels good about referring you to their friends.

It is like tell-a-friend script working offline =)

John

[Matthew W. Rhodes]

Create a ton of affiliate tools. Find folks who promoting the popular products on Clickbank using Google, and refer them to the affiliate tools and tell them why your product is better...give them conversion rates, banner ads, articles, list e-mails, keywords, etc. etc...

Then, start e-mailing them. (The more you offer your affiliates, the better off you are. We've proven that to ourselves.)

Matt

[myob]

You're not going to get any "top marketers" in three weeks to bite with such a desperate plea. There are literally hundreds of thousands of giveaway sites that promote regurgitated material and junk.

I have a list of nearly 500,000 and get JV requests all the time. It is only a nuisance to large list owners as they usually have selected JV partners already in place.

You might try contacting ezine publishers, but list size is not as important as how targeted the market is.

[jhongren]

Hi Paul, yes you are absoulutely right.

Would we want a list of 100,000 but the response rate is 1% or a list of 10,000 and 60% response rate?

John

[Jason Anderson]

Man....it's difficult to create "quick" JV's.....without first having the relationships.

Harvey Mackay wrote a book called "Dig your well before you get thirsty" (I think that's the name....but you get the point).

It talks about creating your relationships NOW so that when you are in a bind like this it's easy to pull in your resources. There really isn't an EASY way to get your JV's. It's going to take a full time effort to find other product owners who may want to promote.

You may consider offering a review membership when you contact your potential JV's. In fact, you may not even ask them to promote....just offer a chosen list of people a totally free membership. You would be amazed at how many people reciprocate the favor by promoting a few days later.

[Ryan_Taylor]

When you have an opportunity, pick up the phone to build the relationship rather than email. Focus on what's in it for them.

I also like to try to dig up their CB affiliate ID so I can create tools for them with their affiliate link already listed in the tools.

Without the relationships, it can be a crap shoot. Be persistant, but not annoying. Sometimes you might catch someone at a good time, but try to give an offer that would be tough to turn down.

[jhongren]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Taylor

I also like to try to dig up their CB affiliate ID so I can create tools for them with their affiliate link already listed in the tools.

Hi Ryan,

Thanks for your reply.

What sort of tools do you create for your affiliates? =)

John

[dustinlemos]

The relationship is not nearly as important as the value of your offer. If you can bring something to the table, there's no reason why you couldn't pick up JVs rather quickly:

Offer him higher commissions
Offer to give an exclusive discount only to his list.
Offer him an early launch.

Get creative

[myob]

Originally Posted by jhongren

Hi Paul, yes you are absoulutely right.

Would we want a list of 100,000 but the response rate is 1% or a list of 10,000 and 60% response rate?

John

By "response" rate do you mean actual sales or "clicks"? This is why I always try for tightly targeted lists. I aim for people to buy not just respond, although any response can lead to an eventual sale.

What I do is contact ezine list owners in my niches for promos instead of advertising directly. This works very well for me because you are getting publishers to promote your products as a "trusted friend" rather than as a stranger trying to get your money.

By the way Mike Fisaime has an excellent JV membership site. Check it out here http://www.jv-network.com

Again, it is not a get rich quick resource, but you can contact some of the big dogs there.

[jhongren]

Originally Posted by myob

By "response" rate do you mean actual sales or "clicks"? This is why I always try for tightly targeted lists. I aim for people to buy not just respond, although any response can lead to an eventual sale.

Hi, I mean clicks. seemed like I didnt have enough sleep yesterday night "yawn

[myob]

The reason I ask is that some lists may be highly incentivized to click a link even though they have no interest in the product itself. An example is Solo-Ads.com. You can send an ad to 5,000 subscribers and get a 90% response rate - but few if any actual sales.

So in your scenario, a 60% response rate out of 10,000 would be suspect and in my experience would most likely not result in any sales. However, 1% response out of a list of 100,000 is still very attractive and yet reasonable to expect sales perhaps as low as .005% (5 sales!).

But this does not mean at all that a large list is better. Sorry for this convolution, but marketing is no simple matter. That's why professional marketers get the big bucks!

[nuneybopper]

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I've got a few people with big lists who are considering promoting for me, they just need some detailed conversion data. I made my squeeze page more detailed, plus I'm adding more products that partners can make commissions on even long after they first promote, so that's one advantage I have.

[Corwinnx]

I had a thread about this a few days ago, but I couldn't find it, so here's the recap.
I was building a site with a lot of 'how to' content on it.
I wanted video tutorials, but didn't have the time to make them
So I went to youtube and searched out the videos of what I was looking for.

LESSON NUMBER 1:
I sent a message to the producer telling them that I really liked their vids and asked them for permission to use them on my site. Not only did every single person say yes, five of them offered to JV with me on the project.

You don't necessarily need to go with the guys who have the 'big", a lot of little lists will do just as well.

LESSON NUMBER 2:
Find the people who have products that complement your niche, (clickbank, paydotcom, youtube,etc.)

Offer to give them a free copy of your loss leader (this is the free report, ebook whatever that you give away to entice people to join your list) and offer to rebrand it for them with their affiliate links. Make sure you keep your own backlinks in it.
This is something free they can give away to their list and keep their list warm.

LESSON NUMBER 3:
Give them everything they could need to promote your product. Articles, press releases, classified ads, etc.

Good luck.

-Marcus

[Magic Mel]

Make sure that your product has quality and value, many list owners have worked hard on gaining the faith and trust of their list, one bad promo can cause them lots of unsubscribers, these people care way more for their list and future income rather than a promotion that may pay them well but it case them lots of unsubscribers.

If you are offering 50% commission then you better look for affiliates, people with decent size lists have accepted that the norm is pretty much from 65%-100% commission .

Cheers,
Magic

[Chipt]

Hey -

If you only have 3 weeks you need all the help you can get...

All the points made so far here and scores more are in the 800+ pages of my "First Contact Secrets" product, the original and still the best JV product on the market.

43 international marketers each have a chapter and they teach you how to start and build relationships, and exactly how to do JVs with the top marketers you know [and some are prominent Warriors you trust, too]... and they also teach you how to contact anyone at any time for any reason to get it all going...

At my site, the printed version and bonuses are $497.

My WSO on the old WF Forum site which will be active for a few more days is $47 for the PDF version [about 90% off for Warriors only.]

The URL to the WSO is The Warrior Forum - Contact ANYONE - The Ultimate JV Manual - 90% off! if you're interested...

Using my own techniques in just one JV I've had multi-thousand $ days. In another quick JV I got over 1,800 new subscribers in a couple of days. There are more examples but I won't bore you with them.

This stuff works if you want to see it...

Best wishes -

Chip Tarver

[Louis Raven]

Please try the JV Section!

[nuneybopper]

Wow, I didn't even know there was a JV section - awesome!

[Stallion]

people with decent size lists have accepted that the norm is pretty much from 65%-100% commission .

What would be a reason to give a 100% commission? I could see it in the IM niche because a lot of the people that end up buying it would sell it too. But take a niche like weight loss, what would be the advantage (For the publisher, I know the advantage to the person with the list lol)?

[Chipt]

Originally Posted by Stallion

What would be a reason to give a 100% commission? I could see it in the IM niche because a lot of the people that end up buying it would sell it too. But take a niche like weight loss, what would be the advantage (For the publisher, I know the advantage to the person with the list lol)?

Hey -

In my experience...

Some people will give up 100% of the front end because they have such a strong and high-converting back end... which creates a high Lifetime Value of a Customer.

So they make 'all their money' off the back ends.

Chip Tarver

[Stallion]

I actually thought about this a little more after I posted that and you should be able to collect a lot of emails. I suppose by backend you mean both upselling and selling to a list, right?

[mrmcd]

PM me all your details about your offer.

[Chipt]

Originally Posted by Stallion

I actually thought about this a little more after I posted that and you should be able to collect a lot of emails. I suppose by backend you mean both upselling and selling to a list, right?

Hey -

In the strictest sense, a 'back end' is anything you offer and sell after your 'front end' offer...

Some people create a marketing / sales 'funnel' where they push people along their path from very inexpensive front ends through a series of offers to very expensive backends, too.

And yes, the back ends are most typically offered to an existing list [whether yours or a JV partner's] because all new people typically see and buy your front end product to get the funnel started...

Hope this helps -

Chip

[Chipt]

Originally Posted by mrmcd

PM me all your details about your offer.

mrmcd -

To whom is your post addressed? [You did not address it to anyone in particular]...

Chip

[mrmcd]

Originally Posted by nuneybopper

make $48.50 for each sale of my $97 special offer

Sorry, that was for nuneybopper. maybe I can help.

[joefission]

JD, your popup keeps getting in the way of my auto-fill!

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by Chipt

Hey -

In the strictest sense, a 'back end' is anything you offer and sell after your 'front end' offer...

Some people create a marketing / sales 'funnel' where they push people along their path from very inexpensive front ends through a series of offers to very expensive backends, too.

And yes, the back ends are most typically offered to an existing list [whether yours or a JV partner's] because all new people typically see and buy your front end product to get the funnel started...

Hope this helps -

Chip

Thank you for the explanation. It is greatly appreciated.

[Chipt]

Originally Posted by Stallion

Thank you for the explanation. It is greatly appreciated.

Hey -

Glad I could help. Please ask any other questions you have and within reason I'll do my best to answer them...



Chip

[nuneybopper]

Haha, Chip, you're stealing all the glory here! =P I'm sure you deserve it though.

[Jelasco]

Originally Posted by Magic Mel

If you are offering 50% commission then you better look for affiliates, people with decent size lists have accepted that the norm is pretty much from 65%-100% commission .

Cheers,
Magic

Actually 50% is more like the norm. That's a lot more common than the higher amounts unless it is a really low priced product. I can't think of many big launches that offered more. Remember the product owner has to create the product, do all the support, and needs to make a profit... only in this industry would someone suggest a commission of more than half.

Commission % has less effect on attracting partners than you may think. If they don't know you or aren't sure about the product, offering 70% instead of 50% won't get you very far.

[jhongren]

Originally Posted by myob

The reason I ask is that some lists may be highly incentivized to click a link even though they have no interest in the product itself. An example is Solo-Ads.com. You can send an ad to 5,000 subscribers and get a 90% response rate - but few if any actual sales.

So in your scenario, a 60% response rate out of 10,000 would be suspect and in my experience would most likely not result in any sales. However, 1% response out of a list of 100,000 is still very attractive and yet reasonable to expect sales perhaps as low as .005% (5 sales!).

But this does not mean at all that a large list is better. Sorry for this convolution, but marketing is no simple matter. That's why professional marketers get the big bucks!

Hi Paul, thanks for the discussion.

Yes, professional marketers get big bucks because they bother to upgrade their knowledge and find the best way to market their products.

The uphill task of making this extra efforts kills many people who just in for the quick cash.

Cheers,
John

[Jag82]

I think James Penn gave some good points on finding affiliates.

You may also want to type the "keywords" you are targeting together with keywords such as "ezine", "blog" and "forum".

These are people with a potential audience. And you can hook up with them for a potentially profitable JV.

That's how I find my JV partners.

A lot of them are looking for specific details like any terms or conditions...the exact commissions...what and how your product works.

Telling them your conversion rate helps a lot too.

So be prepared with your information before you go asking.

Jag

[Chipt]

Originally Posted by nuneybopper

Haha, Chip, you're stealing all the glory here! =P I'm sure you deserve it though.

Hey -

I really do not mean or intend to do that... and thank you for the kind compliment.

I just know all the JV stuff like the back of my hand, and there is frankly a lot of disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda circulating around all over the place about JVs... mostly promising "something that is too good to be true"...

That's only because it is...

OK - I'll go back in my dungeon now ...

Chip