$60K in the hole, $120K is the goal

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Hello Warriors,

I've been Internet marketing, more like stuck in learning mode, for six years and have been a War Room member since 2010. I obviously haven't been very active to only have just over 40 posts. This is actually the first thread I have started.

While I have learned a lot from the War Room and purchased a ton of WSOs, I am not where I had envisioned myself so many years ago. I am still teaching English in China eight years now, while spinning my wheels in IM attempting to free the chains of working for somebody else.

Where do I stand today? I am just shy of $60,000 in debt from student loans (related to my ideas of making money online), I have a wife and young son, and we're ready to move out of China and back to the USA. What's the problem? Our savings of $10K doesn't impress the US enough for a green card for my wife.

I recently wrote a post on my new blog, which journals my progress in IM, about my struggles in Internet marketing and how the debt acquired is from student loans from degrees that I never earned. I am enrolled in a marketing program now, but I'm four years from completion.

Over my six year IM spree, I estimate that I have spent $7,500 mostly on PLR products, training, and "systems" for making money, but I never really followed through and jumped around. We've all heard the stories, right?

However, I am well versed on the technical side of the business: WordPress, squeeze pages, autoresonders, email marketing, list building, affiliate marketing, etc. But, I have never been able to connect the dots for profitable campaigns.

I know the Warrior Forum is full of people whom have failed as they describe themselves, but there really is hope to making it online as long as you have a plan. Well, I recently came across a thread in the WSO section by Alex Jeffreys. I must point out that I don't recall hearing his name over the past six years, but he is the first marketer whom made sense with his approach.

Needless to say, I purchased the product and that is how I discovered his approach to making money online starting from scratch. So, what about making money online? Right. I mentioned in my podcast episode that I would like to eliminate my debt within three years, but that's not good enough for me.

My goal is to not only eliminate my debt, but to be $60K in the black, by the end of this year. That's $120K in 8 months.

I'm not asking what I should do to make that money, I know what needs to be done. I have the motivation, determination, and burning desire to make this happen. Most importantly, an actionable plan. For me, this post resembles hope, inspiration, and the will to make things happen. Not for myself, but for my family.

I also see this post as my public accountability message to myself. I can repeat all of this in my head a thousand times again, but it's just a broken record. Accountability, taking action, and putting a plan in place sounds like a recipe for success to me.

What struggles have you had or are you having in IM? If you're struggling with the technical side, drop me a line and I'll do whatever I can.

Thanks for reading.

Rock on!
Logan
#$120k #$60k #debt #goal #hole #plan #struggle or challenge #taking action
  • Profile picture of the author getrichinfo
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by getrichinfo View Post

      added you in Skype
      The request you sent must have been lost online...never received it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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        Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

        [COLOR=#000000] However, I am well versed on the technical side of the business: WordPress, squeeze pages, autoresonders, email marketing, list building, affiliate marketing, etc. But, I have never been able to connect the dots for profitable campaigns.
        If you're technically savvy, then start offering your services for compensation. Also, you can outsource most of that work on the cheap too.

        Other than that, seems like you need to figure out how to connect the dots...which means making a plan of action within an affiliate or vendor marketing campaign, and then rolling with it.

        Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

        The request you sent must have been lost online...never received it.
        Probably for the best. Rats like to prey on wounded men.
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        • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
          Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

          If you're technically savvy, then start offering your services for compensation. Also, you can outsource most of that work on the cheap too.

          Other than that, seems like you need to figure out how to connect the dots...which means making a plan of action within an affiliate or vendor marketing campaign, and then rolling with it.



          Probably for the best. Rats like to prey on wounded men.

          Thanks for the suggestions, definitely worth considering. One aspect of offering services is the thought, "other people are already offering the service. Yes, crazy thinking, I know.

          It's all about identifying ones' unique USP and "exploiting" it. For some reason though, I am thinking product creation is the way to go. I have no hard evidence to support my reasoning though.

          Perhaps a combination of offering services while working on a product?
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      • Profile picture of the author getrichinfo
        Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

        The request you sent must have been lost online...never received it.
        Haha, i added the wrong guy!

        I re-sent a request to your skype acct.
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  • Profile picture of the author KuhNoodle
    Its a good thing that you've decided to publicly talk about the goal you've set. Just keep yourself accountable and stay focused on the goal.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by KuhNoodle View Post

      Its a good thing that you've decided to publicly talk about the goal you've set. Just keep yourself accountable and stay focused on the goal.

      Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. Have a good one!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    You sure sound very enthusiastic which is great, and it sounds like you *may* have a plan - but the big question is ....

    What are you going to SELL?
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    • Profile picture of the author KuhNoodle
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      You sure sound very enthusiastic which is great, and it sounds like you *may* have a plan - but the big question is ....

      What are you going to SELL?
      That's an awesome question. Lol You make money by selling something or providing a service so that's that!
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      You sure sound very enthusiastic which is great, and it sounds like you *may* have a plan - but the big question is ....

      What are you going to SELL?

      Excellent question, John. I recently discovered the truth about making money on the Internet, "Don't choose money, let money choose you."

      I could create any product that I want, but it's probably going to flop because I am the only one that wants it. However, I intend to give the people what they want.
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        Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

        I could create any product that I want, but it's probably going to flop because I am the only one that wants it. However, I intend to give the people what they want.
        There are lots of ways of testing a market without creating a full fledge product, I recommend you affiliate with a product before going and creating your own. You need to know there is a market for the product before you go out and create something All the best dude.
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        • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          There are lots of ways of testing a market without creating a full fledge product, I recommend you affiliate with a product before going and creating your own. You need to know there is a market for the product before you go out and create something All the best dude.

          Awesome advice! Time is too valuable to waste and expensive as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

        Excellent question, John. I recently discovered the truth about making money on the Internet, "Don't choose money, let money choose you."

        I could create any product that I want, but it's probably going to flop because I am the only one that wants it. However, I intend to give the people what they want.
        What? :confused:

        Here's some advice. Don't do anything until you can answer exactly what your product or service offering is in one sentence. Once you have that - then do something.

        I say this because time and time again (infact you'll see it here on WF) ...members will post ....

        "How can I monetize my website?"
        "I'm writing articles every day and not making any sales?"
        "Should I sell this website, it's not doing anything?"

        or, worse ....like this one http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...nversions.html

        ....where the website owner is obviously totally confused on what the website is about and keeps "adding" stuff.

        Work out what your core offering is, then build out around that.
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        • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          What? :confused:

          Here's some advice. Don't do anything until you can answer exactly what your product or service offering is in one sentence. Once you have that - then do something.

          I say this because time and time again (infact you'll see it here on WF) ...members will post ....

          "How can I monetize my website?"
          "I'm writing articles every day and not making any sales?"
          "Should I sell this website, it's not doing anything?"

          or, worse ....like this one http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...nversions.html

          ....where the website owner is obviously totally confused on what the website is about and keeps "adding" stuff.

          Work out what your core offering is, then build out around that.

          Thanks for elaborating on your initial point, John. The quote I included in my last post to you,"Don't choose money, let money choose you" is agreeing with you.

          This essentially means don't create a product or offer a service without the proper research, but instead listen to what people are struggling with and create a product solving that particular problem.

          I appreciate your insights.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Smith
    Logan, have you ever tried CPA marketing?

    Once like you I was struggling to make money online then I learned to become an affiliate and have killed it ever since. Driving paid traffic from Google, Bing, Facebook and other media buy companies and running CPA offers hoping for a positive ROI.

    There is a learning curve but it is well worth it. Ever since I learned about this niche I have made tons of money. I now own a network direct with all our advertiser partners driving hundreds of thousands per month in revenue. This industry is well worth it and the 4 years I have been in have done me right.

    Wish you the best of luck buddy.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Jonathan Smith View Post

      Logan, have you ever tried CPA marketing?

      Once like you I was struggling to make money online then I learned to become an affiliate and have killed it ever since. Driving paid traffic from Google, Bing, Facebook and other media buy companies and running CPA offers hoping for a positive ROI.

      There is a learning curve but it is well worth it. Ever since I learned about this niche I have made tons of money. I now own a network direct with all our advertiser partners driving hundreds of thousands per month in revenue. This industry is well worth it and the 4 years I have been in have done me right.

      Wish you the best of luck buddy.
      Hi Jonathan,

      I have taken a couple courses on CPA. One course taught to purchase traffic from Media Traffic and direct those visitors to CPA offers. I called it quits after spending $60.

      It's apparent that I wasn't choosing the right offers for the right audience, but I have always been fascinated with those whom are killing it with CPA. They just make it seem so darn simple. Maybe it is simple and I over complicated it.

      I appreciate your time and reply. Who knows, maybe CPA will work out for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Your $120k goal in 8 months seems a bit unrealistic but good luck with it anyway, would be nice if it did happen.

    You say you're going to give the people what they want...what people though? Have you decided on a niche, a problem that needs solved, what the product is going to be?
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      Your $120k goal in 8 months seems a bit unrealistic but good luck with it anyway, would be nice if it did happen.

      You say you're going to give the people what they want...what people though? Have you decided on a niche, a problem that needs solved, what the product is going to be?

      Very valid questions. I am at the point of where I identified my goals and why I wish to achieve them. The next step is where I'm at: What problem are these prospects in ____ niche having and how can my _____ product solve it?

      - Choose the niche
      - Identify the problems
      - Create a product to solve those problems.

      A bit of a rhetorical question at the moment, but we started at the beginning and can only move forward.

      Rock on!
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Hi Logan,

    Great to hear that you have set realistic goals for the year.

    It seem that you are ready to work on your projects.

    My only advice is:
    There is no point that you create the best product/services
    in Internet Business.

    You must be able to place your stuffs in front of your
    potential customers.

    You have a sound marketing plan for selling your
    own products.

    I might sound abit discouraging here.
    I started like you in years back.

    Wanted to create my own products to have
    maximum commission.

    It is very difficult to make money on your
    first few products. You will probably give
    100% to your affiliates to promote your
    stuffs.

    My recommendation for you is to understand
    Internet Marketing well before embarking
    in product/services creations.

    PM me if you need more help. Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by khooster1 View Post

      Hi Logan,

      Great to hear that you have set realistic goals for the year.

      It seem that you are ready to work on your projects.

      My only advice is:
      There is no point that you create the best product/services
      in Internet Business.

      You must be able to place your stuffs in front of your
      potential customers.

      You have a sound marketing plan for selling your
      own products.

      I might sound abit discouraging here.
      I started like you in years back.

      Wanted to create my own products to have
      maximum commission.

      It is very difficult to make money on your
      first few products. You will probably give
      100% to your affiliates to promote your
      stuffs.

      My recommendation for you is to understand
      Internet Marketing well before embarking
      in product/services creations.

      PM me if you need more help. Cheers.

      Not discouraging at all. Every reply that I receive is even more proof that people know what they are talking about and have a genuine interest in helping out.

      I appreciate your time in reaching out and offering your excellent advice which serves as a great reminder of not falling into the same trap as before.

      Thanks!
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  • Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

    What struggles have you had or are you having in IM?
    Every successful person on this forum will be able to answer this question, because the road to success is filled with struggles. My personal struggle was mainly getting distracted in the beginning like a lot of other people, but now I'm more focused. I know what needs to be done and just do it.

    Anyway, I think it is really good that you have a plan and a goal. In my opinion when you have a plan and set a goal you have done ½ of the job already.

    I wish you good luck & let me know if I can be of any assistance.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Frederik Jorgensen View Post

      Every successful person on this forum will be able to answer this question, because the road to success is filled with struggles. My personal struggle was mainly getting distracted in the beginning like a lot of other people, but now I'm more focused. I know what needs to be done and just do it.

      Anyway, I think it is really good that you have a plan and a goal. In my opinion when you have a plan and set a goal you have done ½ of the job already.

      I wish you good luck & let me know if I can be of any assistance.

      Thanks for sharing Frederik. For the longest time I relied on memory to keep track of tasks and either forgot the next task or became distracted with something and entirely forgot.

      Do you have a certain method for keeping focused? After I started using Evernote on my laptop and Galaxy Note, I noticed my productivity increased not only for my IM venture but for all of life's tasks. Evernote has helped me and could be useful to others too.
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  • We all fail, and most of us fail many times. It's those that keep getting up that succeed. Keep working smart and you'll make it! Good luck mate
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by HealthWebmasters Dave View Post

      We all fail, and most of us fail many times. It's those that keep getting up that succeed. Keep working smart and you'll make it! Good luck mate
      Thank you! This is the newest quote I'm printing and putting on the wall directly behind my computer.
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  • Profile picture of the author ContentIn48Hours
    The responses on this thread have been spot on. The one topic many try to avoid is selling. , however to make money you will definitely need to sell something.

    Even a topic such as getting out of debt is a huge niche. There are many other related topics such as helping people with bad credit.

    I hope you succeed in finding the perfect opportunity.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by IMStevenSmith View Post

      The responses on this thread have been spot on. The one topic many try to avoid is selling. , however to make money you will definitely need to sell something.

      Even a topic such as getting out of debt is a huge niche. There are many other related topics such as helping people with bad credit.

      I hope you succeed in finding the perfect opportunity.

      Steve
      Hello Steve,

      Thanks for the reply. Another quote that I recently heard in Alex Jeffreys' video, he said, "If you're not marketing, you're not making money." This basic truth escapes most people, even myself.

      I appreciate the support.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    The solution to your problem is simple. Develop a plan and then take action. What goal are you trying to accomplish, answer that question and theres your answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Malcolm Thomas View Post

      The solution to your problem is simple. Develop a plan and then take action. What goal are you trying to accomplish, answer that question and theres your answer.

      Right on Malcolm. Thanks for the solid advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    I hope you succeed. You have been here long enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

      I hope you succeed. You have been here long enough.
      I appreciate the support.
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

    I'm not asking what I should do to make that money, I know what needs to be done. I have the motivation, determination, and burning desire to make this happen. Most importantly, an actionable plan. For me, this post resembles hope, inspiration, and the will to make things happen. Not for myself, but for my family.


    Sorry but for me personally it is really hard to believe that you are going to be able to accomplish your goal of $120k

    I mean it's great to be motivated and excited like you wrote above, but I think you are just repeating a pattern that you have been through before.

    I am willing to bet that you are the type of person who finds a new program or product, gets all excited about it, makes a big claim and then doesn't follow through.

    And you did say

    but I never really followed through and jumped around.
    I am not trying to be mean or negative.

    I just want to point out to you that if you want to accomplish this goal, then being motivated, excited, determined, and having a burning desire for something is not enough.

    You need to have the ability to focus.

    And this means writing down daily action steps that need to be done, and focusing on those actions and not jumping around, not allowing yourself to get distracted by youtube, or facebook or anything else.

    So I ask you, can you focus?

    Forget about everything else for a second, forget about the desire, the motivation, etc, and truthfully ask yourself, can you focus on the tasks at hand? If you look into your past, does your past show that you have developed the basic skill of being able to focus and work hard? Or does your past show that you are easily distracted, allow yourself to make excuses and avoid the work you know you should be doing.

    You don't have to answer that here, but just take a look at yourself, your own strengths and weaknesses and be truthful to yourself.

    My only other advice is to make sure that you aren't setting too big of goals.

    Sure goals can be motivating, but if you set something too big it can actually discourage you and you end up avoiding it and moving onto something else.

    I would be curious as to why you feel that paying off your debt within 3 years (36 months) is not good enough for you? I get the sense that there is some impatience involved in that decision.


    Again this is about being realistic. If someone came up to me and told me that they were going to lose 100lbs in 3 months, and mentioned how they tried before but never followed through, I would tell them the same things I am telling you.

    That the reason they never followed through is either because they didn't have the basic skills of focus, and/or they were setting too big of goals that were actually discouraging them and not motivating them.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      Sorry but for me personally it is really hard to believe that you are going to be able to accomplish your goal of $120k

      I mean it's great to be motivated and excited like you wrote above, but I think you are just repeating a pattern that you have been through before.

      I am willing to bet that you are the type of person who finds a new program or product, gets all excited about it, makes a big claim and then doesn't follow through.

      And you did say



      I am not trying to be mean or negative.

      I just want to point out to you that if you want to accomplish this goal, then being motivated, excited, determined, and having a burning desire for something is not enough.

      You need to have the ability to focus.

      And this means writing down daily action steps that need to be done, and focusing on those actions and not jumping around, not allowing yourself to get distracted by youtube, or facebook or anything else.

      So I ask you, can you focus?

      Forget about everything else for a second, forget about the desire, the motivation, etc, and truthfully ask yourself, can you focus on the tasks at hand? If you look into your past, does your past show that you have developed the basic skill of being able to focus and work hard? Or does your past show that you are easily distracted, allow yourself to make excuses and avoid the work you know you should be doing.

      You don't have to answer that here, but just take a look at yourself, your own strengths and weaknesses and be truthful to yourself.

      My only other advice is to make sure that you aren't setting too big of goals.

      Sure goals can be motivating, but if you set something too big it can actually discourage you and you end up avoiding it and moving onto something else.

      I would be curious as to why you feel that paying off your debt within 3 years (36 months) is not good enough for you? I get the sense that there is some impatience involved in that decision.


      Again this is about being realistic. If someone came up to me and told me that they were going to lose 100lbs in 3 months, and mentioned how they tried before but never followed through, I would tell them the same things I am telling you.

      That the reason they never followed through is either because they didn't have the basic skills of focus, and/or they were setting too big of goals that were actually discouraging them and not motivating them.


      Awesome post and you're not being mean. You're being who you are, which I appreciate and respect.

      Can't do it? Challenge accepted!

      In my "defense" I have never set goals for making money online nor had a solid plan. This thread is the first that I have started in my three years as a member. Luckily for me, I get a chance to begin a new pattern of going from a buyer to a seller and this is a transition that I am looking forward to.

      Three years is when my son will be of school age and he will not go to public school in China and private school is ridiculously expensive. I can see how I seem impatient, but I never challenged myself and this is a step that I have never taken in six years.

      Over that time I WAS impatient with the products I purchased, I wanted results NOW. As I mentioned above, I am transitioning from a buyer to a seller, from a prospect to a...marketer.

      I can either come back to this thread in 8 months and say that you're right. I set my expectations too high and a failed; I only made $xx,xxx, but it's still a step in the right direction. OR I can come back and say that I did it!

      Maybe I should just quit...No thanks!

      At any rate, I appreciate your insights and support.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rewbert
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    I wish you the best of luck with your doings. If you pull this off i strongly urge you to come back and report what you've managed, since it would serve as inspiration to alot of people.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Rewbert View Post

      I wish you the best of luck with your doings. If you pull this off i strongly urge you to come back and report what you've managed, since it would serve as inspiration to alot of people.

      Thank you for your support. I agree that sharing my success story will be a wonderful way to give back to the community. I'm looking forward to it
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeac
    Kudos to you for being transparent loganwenger. I know its not an easy thing to put yourself out there, but the beauty about it is that you know what must be done, and you have alot of supporters here backing you.

    You seem pretty technical I would offer your tech knowledge as services. Maybe a "Done For You" Service which I know will be very popular because alot of people do not have the technical know how such as yourself to get those up and running.

    Hope Everything works out for you.

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Mike Currie View Post

      Kudos to you for being transparent loganwenger. I know its not an easy thing to put yourself out there, but the beauty about it is that you know what must be done, and you have alot of supporters here backing you.

      You seem pretty technical I would offer your tech knowledge as services. Maybe a "Done For You" Service which I know will be very popular because alot of people do not have the technical know how such as yourself to get those up and running.

      Hope Everything works out for you.

      Mike
      Hi Mike,

      Thanks for your reply.

      I figured transparency is a better approach than the "fake it to you make it" approach. It's interesting how many are suggesting services...It's something to consider and I may integrate it into my current game plan.


      Regards,
      Logan
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  • Profile picture of the author anton343
    I think you may do okay if you follow Alex Jeffries. He's a smart guy who knows what he's talking about. When I unsubscribed from a number of lists recently (information overload) his is one of the few I stayed on.

    Anton
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by anton343 View Post

      I think you may do okay if you follow Alex Jeffries. He's a smart guy who knows what he's talking about. When I unsubscribed from a number of lists recently (information overload) his is one of the few I stayed on.

      Anton

      Hi Anton, thanks for the reassurance that putting my trust in Alex Jeffreys was a good choice.
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  • I'm not here to tell you what to do- but I admire your willingness to begin.

    In fact, I was 125k in student loan debt (I was in aviation as a commercial pilot) and 2 months into my career I had a seizure.

    I sat down with my brand new wife and we decided to get into the Internet game.

    12 months later I paid my absolute last debt payment of my life. I will never, ever be in debt again - because it's stupid.

    One thing to remember, though, is that it's not 'just about making money'. It's about managing it, budgeting, planning, and being absolutely frugal.

    Good luck buddy - step 1 is hating debt, step 2 is never giving yourself the opportunity to accrue anymore.

    Don't buy into the lie that it is a 'tool to get wealth'. No. INCOME is a tool to get wealth.

    In order to be a millionaire, you have to HAVE a million dollars, not spend it (or worse, BORROW IT LIKE YOU'RE IN CONGRESS!)

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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      I'm not here to tell you what to do- but I admire your willingness to begin.

      In fact, I was 125k in student loan debt (I was in aviation as a commercial pilot) and 2 months into my career I had a seizure.

      I sat down with my brand new wife and we decided to get into the Internet game.

      12 months later I paid my absolute last debt payment of my life. I will never, ever be in debt again - because it's stupid.

      One thing to remember, though, is that it's not 'just about making money'. It's about managing it, budgeting, planning, and being absolutely frugal.

      Good luck buddy - step 1 is hating debt, step 2 is never giving yourself the opportunity to accrue anymore.

      Don't buy into the lie that it is a 'tool to get wealth'. No. INCOME is a tool to get wealth.

      In order to be a millionaire, you have to HAVE a million dollars, not spend it (or worse, BORROW IT LIKE YOU'RE IN CONGRESS!)

      -Auction Debt Eliminator-

      So great to hear you say that. You just confirmed that it is possible to get out of massive debt in a relatively short amount of time.

      I appreciate the advice:

      One thing to remember, though, is that it's not 'just about making money'. It's about managing it, budgeting, planning, and being absolutely frugal.
      I think this is another quote to print out and hang on the wall in front of me. I appreciate your insights to strive towards my goal.
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      • Profile picture of the author sroot19
        Hi Logan,

        Thanks for sharing this. I too was looking for a way to pay off massive student loan debts. And I'm starting to do that thanks to the massive mindset shifts I've had over the past year with my online marketing opportunity. And like you said, taking massive action and making myself accountable. Hope you've reached your goal!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author ElijahM
          How are things going Logan? Come back and give us an update! Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwar
    Awesome Thoughts All ! Also I would suggest you to focus only on one money making technique until you master that...You say you are getting in product creation..so put all all your energies into it...no distraction..just plain hard work...success will be yours soon...
    cheers !!
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by marketwar View Post

      Awesome Thoughts All ! Also I would suggest you to focus only on one money making technique until you master that...You say you are getting in product creation..so put all all your energies into it...no distraction..just plain hard work...success will be yours soon...
      cheers !!
      I agree with your statement 100%. There's no way around obtaining success other than hard work! Thanks for the reply.
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  • Profile picture of the author inudu
    You should start an internet marketing product review websites. It seems like you bought a lot of stuff and could share your opinion on whether it works or not. Create a simple website, test the products, then post your honest review. People want a 2nd opinion before they buy.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Tarik View Post

      You should start an internet marketing product review websites. It seems like you bought a lot of stuff and could share your opinion on whether it works or not. Create a simple website, test the products, then post your honest review. People want a 2nd opinion before they buy.
      That's an excellent idea! Added to Evernote.
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      I'm going to start implementing the 'test product' out then add honest review on my blog. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Langham
        It's more than doable, there are people on here who have done 300K and more in one year.

        Plenty of other posters are right when they say the first few products will not bring you much as you have to give 100% away.

        Don't try and reinvent the whel, stick to products people want.

        The number one 'problem' people have is traffic, you can dream up, use, enhance loads of ways to create traffic products. Traffic from FB, YT, Solo's etc etc

        Good luck and well done for being accountable to yourself.

        Likewise if you are techie why not start doing turnkey solution websites, do the first few yourself, then find some outsourcers to manage the rest for you. Never forget that there are people who find WP very confusing and you can proft from that

        GOOD LUCK !!!
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by muneer195 View Post

      That happend to me to. I purchased tons of WSO but did't implement any one. But i am hoping against hope that i'll get one that work's.
      Sorry mate, you're never going to know that if you don't implement any, are you?

      You need to be in it to win it?
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by muneer195 View Post

      That happend to me to. I purchased tons of WSO but did't implement any one. But i am hoping against hope that i'll get one that work's.
      I appreciate the honesty. Since you purchased a lot of products already, why don't you just choose one to implement and see it through?

      I know that it is easier said than done. When I stumbled across a marketer whom I felt I could relate to, that is when the chains freed me from shiny object syndrome.

      It probably sounds ridiculous, but it's true.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Very brave to come on here, and state your goals.

    There's only you now stopping yourself from achieving them.

    You really need some bigger goals that the 30 new subscribers, and the being $60K in the black I think. More specifically how you're going to do that. What is your vehicle to achieve that? How are you going to get your 30 more subscribers?

    What is after that? You need to plan a few steps in advance...

    So I'd be looking at a way to make $10 a month, then $100, then $1000, and so on. If you pick the right thing and it is able to scale, you can achieve this. If you pick something that doesn't scale, you won't. So writing down how you're going to do it now, tells gives you an idea of whether what you're trying to do is going to scale.

    Good luck!!
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

      Very brave to come on here, and state your goals.

      There's only you now stopping yourself from achieving them.

      You really need some bigger goals that the 30 new subscribers, and the being $60K in the black I think. More specifically how you're going to do that. What is your vehicle to achieve that? How are you going to get your 30 more subscribers?

      What is after that? You need to plan a few steps in advance...

      So I'd be looking at a way to make $10 a month, then $100, then $1000, and so on. If you pick the right thing and it is able to scale, you can achieve this. If you pick something that doesn't scale, you won't. So writing down how you're going to do it now, tells gives you an idea of whether what you're trying to do is going to scale.

      Good luck!!

      You are correct and I have identified that I have been getting in the way of myself. I've taken steps in a positive direction allowing me to move forward, not instantly though. I think the power of compounding small steps will lead to the results.

      Actually, I have a solid plan that is laid out in seven main steps to keep me on track and focused. I swear that Evernote is one of the best products I have used to date.

      I appreciate your advice and saved it into my online notebook. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    Hi Logan

    You said you are teaching in China? The answer is staring you in the face. Make a version of this forum for the China market. Just rehashing old plr ebooks in to Chinese mixed with a forum or membership site should take off.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Danny Shaw View Post

      Hi Logan

      You said you are teaching in China? The answer is staring you in the face. Make a version of this forum for the China market. Just rehashing old plr ebooks in to Chinese mixed with a forum or membership site should take off.

      That's right, Danny. I've been living in China for eight years and counting. A few things concern me for operating a make money forum and it's not the technical aspects. I could have this up and running in a couple of days.

      I am concerned about hosting outside of China because anything that is good will be blocked although a few users know how to bypass the Great Firewall

      Hosting a commercial website IN China requires a business license, which costs around $500. Although, due to the nature of the site it could still be blocked.

      Lastly, Chinese believe that any information or digital products should be free and the information would spread like wildfire. However, that gives me the idea of having my affiliate links in the content t the least.

      This is an excellent idea though and I thank you for the plan. I'm not saying that I don't want to do it. I really do. I have been thinking how I can monetize the 500 million users online here for a long time.

      I think I will go ahead and build an email list and work on the forum, which will be hosted in the US. Added to my "Ideas" notebook in Evernote!

      Thanks Danny!
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    When I opened this thread, I thought I was going to congratulate you. Because, from the title, I initially thought you had already accomplished the first $60K. Having read your post, I now understand where you are - sorry to be so blunt - starting from scratch, with no idea of how to proceed.

    Well, first off, $120K in 8 months IS, at least. doable. But,as a Warrior above said, it may NOT be doable for you.

    But let's do a bit of brainstroming:

    How much is that per month?

    120/8 = 15 ... You are setting a goal to make $15K per month!

    Well, if it is a REAL goal, it should change your thinking. You won't get your answers overnight, of course, but changed thinking leads to changed realities. So, let's stay with it a bit longer.

    How could you make 15K per month?

    15 People paying you $1K per month
    30 People paying you $500 per month
    60 People paying you $250 per month
    120 People paying you $125 per month
    240 People paying you $62.50 per month
    500 People paying you $31.25 per month

    ... and so on!

    So, you need to find a membership program that:

    - WORKS i.e. members are delighted with it, so they stay in!
    - Pays you a recurring commission

    You then need to figure out how you are going to recruit the necessary number of people.

    It's SIMPLE - not EASY - SIMPLE!

    Now, the question is: are you prepared to do that?

    Good luck.

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      When I opened this thread, I thought I was going to congratulate you. Because, from the title, I initially thought you had already accomplished the first $60K. Having read your post, I now understand where you are - sorry to be so blunt - starting from scratch, with no idea of how to proceed.

      Well, first off, $120K in 8 months IS, at least. doable. But,as a Warrior above said, it may NOT be doable for you.

      But let's do a bit of brainstroming:

      How much is that per month?

      120/8 = 15 ... You are setting a goal to make $15K per month!

      Well, if it is a REAL goal, it should change your thinking. You won't get your answers overnight, of course, but changed thinking leads to changed realities. So, let's stay with it a bit longer.

      How could you make 15K per month?

      15 People paying you $1K per month
      30 People paying you $500 per month
      60 People paying you $250 per month
      120 People paying you $125 per month
      240 People paying you $62.50 per month
      500 People paying you $31.25 per month

      ... and so on!

      So, you need to find a membership program that:

      - WORKS i.e. members are delighted with it, so they stay in!
      - Pays you a recurring commission

      You then need to figure out how you are going to recruit the necessary number of people.

      It's SIMPLE - not EASY - SIMPLE!

      Now, the question is: are you prepared to do that?

      Good luck.

      Will

      Hello Will,

      Thanks for reading and replying. It's true that I am starting from scratch, but I never said I had no idea how to proceed. I know exactly what to do. I also have 6 years of training in IM and an actionable seven-step plan that I already put into motion pushing me towards my goals.

      I do appreciate the time you have taken to break down the monthly earnings to put things into perspective for everybody.

      Best,
      Logan
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      How could you make 15K per month?

      15 People paying you $1K per month
      30 People paying you $500 per month
      60 People paying you $250 per month
      If you can figure out how to make this work, you will do really well. Just don't focus on small commissions. They won't get you anywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by loganwenger View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    I've been Internet marketing, more like stuck in learning mode, for six years and have been a War Room member since 2010. I obviously haven't been very active to only have just over 40 posts. This is actually the first thread I have started.

    While I have learned a lot from the War Room and purchased a ton of WSOs, I am not where I had envisioned myself so many years ago. I am still teaching English in China eight years now, while spinning my wheels in IM attempting to free the chains of working for somebody else.

    Where do I stand today? I am just shy of $60,000 in debt from student loans (related to my ideas of making money online), I have a wife and young son, and we're ready to move out of China and back to the USA. What's the problem? Our savings of $10K doesn't impress the US enough for a green card for my wife.

    I recently wrote a post on my new blog, which journals my progress in IM, about my struggles in Internet marketing and how the debt acquired is from student loans from degrees that I never earned. I am enrolled in a marketing program now, but I'm four years from completion.

    Over my six year IM spree, I estimate that I have spent $7,500 mostly on PLR products, training, and "systems" for making money, but I never really followed through and jumped around. We've all heard the stories, right?

    However, I am well versed on the technical side of the business: WordPress, squeeze pages, autoresonders, email marketing, list building, affiliate marketing, etc. But, I have never been able to connect the dots for profitable campaigns.

    I know the Warrior Forum is full of people whom have failed as they describe themselves, but there really is hope to making it online as long as you have a plan. Well, I recently came across a thread in the WSO section by Alex Jeffreys. I must point out that I don't recall hearing his name over the past six years, but he is the first marketer whom made sense with his approach.

    Needless to say, I purchased the product and that is how I discovered his approach to making money online starting from scratch. So, what about making money online? Right. I mentioned in my podcast episode that I would like to eliminate my debt within three years, but that's not good enough for me.

    My goal is to not only eliminate my debt, but to be $60K in the black, by the end of this year. That's $120K in 8 months.

    I'm not asking what I should do to make that money, I know what needs to be done. I have the motivation, determination, and burning desire to make this happen. Most importantly, an actionable plan. For me, this post resembles hope, inspiration, and the will to make things happen. Not for myself, but for my family.

    I also see this post as my public accountability message to myself. I can repeat all of this in my head a thousand times again, but it's just a broken record. Accountability, taking action, and putting a plan in place sounds like a recipe for success to me.

    What struggles have you had or are you having in IM? If you're struggling with the technical side, drop me a line and I'll do whatever I can.

    Thanks for reading.

    Rock on!
    Logan
    It's never too late, you can do it! Just make sure, your plan is sold and your goals are reasonable!
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by TeamBringIt View Post

      It's never too late, you can do it! Just make sure, your plan is sold and your goals are reasonable!

      Thanks for your support!
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Hope you success to reach your goal - $120,000 in this year. And so you can pay your debt.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

      Hope you success to reach your goal - $120,000 in this year. And so you can pay your debt.
      Thank you! As Napoleon Hill once said, "Big pay and little responsibility are circumstances seldom found together."

      Rock on!
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  • Profile picture of the author getrichinfo
    hey Logan! Would you like to have the opportunity to work with me?

    Need some help right now and i think you are able to help me in my business! =D
    Just added you in skype! My ID is magical-tom
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by getrichinfo View Post

      hey Logan! Would you like to have the opportunity to work with me?

      Need some help right now and i think you are able to help me in my business! =D
      Just added you in skype! My ID is magical-tom
      Thanks for chatting with me on Skype yesterday! Looking forward to finishing our conversation.
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  • Profile picture of the author getrichinfo
    hey Logan, i thought you went missing after yesterday evening conversation!

    talk to you soon!
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by getrichinfo View Post

      hey Logan, i thought you went missing after yesterday evening conversation!

      talk to you soon!

      Abducted by my family! I have sent you a PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    seriously getting out of dept is a huge accomplishment
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      Originally Posted by betterwtveter View Post

      seriously getting out of dept is a huge accomplishment
      My knees are starting to hurt and I cannot wait to feel the weight of no debt being lifted from my shoulders.
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  • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
    Originally Posted by fpdeziner View Post

    It really looks good, and when you get there and achieve your goal, do let us know and share your story..
    Good luck
    Thank you. I am looking forward to coming back at the end of the year and sharing the rest of the story.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    If you want to make $120k in 8 months, start contacting professionals in a focused niche and offer them websites for $2,000 a pop.

    60 clients will get you there.

    That's certainly doable in 8 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisakynan
    Good on you! A year ago, I would have said you were being unrealistic. But since I have started surrounding myself with amazing like-minded people and seen success even greater than what your goal is right before my eyes on a daily basis, I am telling you, you can do it!

    You already have the skills, you know what to do.

    Stick to your plan, take action daily and I can guarantee you will see success!

    Good luck!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author RockNRolla
    To go from 0 to $120,000 in 8 months is quite a big ask. Not impossible of course, but it will take a lot of hard work. It looks like you understand what needs to be done on the hard work side fo things so I wish you the best of luck in achieving your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick S
    Theres no magic trick or miracle solution to success, online or offline. Hard Work, focus and never taking your eyes of the prize no matter what happens.. If you beleive you can do it, then you will. With the right mindset and a plan , anything is possible.

    Good Luck and Keep us Informed !
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  • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
    Sorry, but you are obviously just following the wrong path there. Don't say you know what to do cause you don't. Otherwise, you would have done it already.

    You need to do what I did, which is stop following the advice of people charging you money for marketing advice. None of it helped me make money.

    I sometimes give away this secret. And I will give it away again. So you can keep on failing or follow my free advice. It's up to you.

    Get yourself a WordPress blog. Forget what you have been taught about SEO, affiliate marketing, joint ventures, building links, and all that crap. The only thing you need to know besides WordPress basics (you said you know this already) is how to use keywords in titles and the body of an article. This is all really common sense. Write relevant info and the keywords will take care of themselves.

    Now, start following US news online. Not Chinese news or news from other countries. Keep it US news. Your job is to SUMMARIZE NEWS STORIES. That is it. It's the easiest niche in the world.

    Blog about the news, paying special attention to the most unique keywords possible. You will find these keywords in the actual media stories. Use your common sense here - people, places, names. CNN has videos online that you can summarize. The Today show has some, too. Write one article per video. Some kinds of stories work well. Others don't. I'm not telling you which ones. It's up to you to do the work and find out. But there are plenty of good ones if you stay busy.

    Monetize with AdSense, using high-profit ad placement. Does no good to get traffic if you don't get clicks. Common sense applies here, too. Put the ads in the text of the article, not in a sidebar. Common sense, people.

    Avoid politics and sports stories and entertainment gossip.

    Work your butt off. Don't listen to anyone who says it is easy.

    That is all you are getting from me. Now work it out. I doubt you will. But I have done my part. That's what matters to me.
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