Need results? Need more subscribers? Act like the conspiracy theorists!

by Devin X Banned
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I really hate these kinds of things, but I gotta tell you about this, since it will help some of you warriors. I'm in a bit of a mood right now too, so bear with me here, okey doke? Cool! Anyway...

I know some people that are wicked into conspiracy theories and follow a lot of them loonies on their websites. I'm certainly not one of them, but I've noticed that these people are VERY effective marketers. (They are, after all, internet marketers...in the new age/conspiracy niche)

These people produce content (usually articles, hint hint), know nothing (or very little) about SEO, and yet they drive enormous amounts of traffic to their sites and garner a large following...and make retarded amounts of cash!

A lot of people have heard of Alex Jones, David Icke, and David Wilcock(er), these charlatans make about 2 million (or more) per year preaching their garbage. It IS garbage, but people pay attention to them because they follow certain marketing strategies and use psychological triggers.

1) They are controversial
2) They use a lot of emotion in their stuff
3) They use fear and hope a lot (fear porn)
4) They target a certain type of person

Gee whizz, they act an awful lot like an internet guru....I wonder why?

Even the smaller kooks like Wes Penre make their living (and a comfy one I'd imagine) producing articles that are all about the Illuminati zeitgeist reptilian blah blah blah blah blah you get it. Their research is a joke, too! But they build their audience up and garner attention from the rest of the other kooks.

Hmmm they do an awful lot of networking don't they? I wonder why they do that too.

Are you seeing a pattern here? You should! These guys are internet marketers like the rest of us, but they got this stuff dialed in a lot better than a lot of warriors here.

So the next time you're feeling confused or disheartened about this whole internet marketing game...just remember that the kooks are doing a phenomenal job at it...so why aren't you?

Oh, and you should prolly study them a bit too. They are crazy mo'fo's...but they sure now how to market themselves and their content. Go ahead, take a look at them!

Don't believe anything that they tell you, but really study the way they "talk" in their content...pay attention to the words they use...and really digest it.

Act like the conspiracy theorists with your own marketing project, and I'll bet that you'll start seeing more engagement from your audience.

What do you think? Yay? Nay? Let me know, down below!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    Icke, is a nut, don't know who David Wilcock is, and Alex Jones may over exaggerate stuff, but if you don't think something is very serious wrong with our society your not paying attention. The reason these guys get so much attention is becasue it's on people's minds!

    Take the Federal Reserve. I told a guy on a Voice Chat I was in that it was a private bank and the guy got so mad at me and muted my mic and sent me a link to Wiki which said what I just told the idiot but he was too stupid to understand English and what he read!


    So you don't have to agree with them, but you should at least know what you are talking about.

    Look at vaccines. If you think they work ytou should ask your Doctor why there is a Federal Vaccine Fund and why Federal Law protects them and the drug companies from being sued!

    Our Medical profession is horrible! Conspiracies are real just go to court some day! Every week people are convicted of it. ....


    The people who founded this country did NOT TRUST ANY GOVERNMENT
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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by Clausenlt View Post

      Icke, is a nut, don't know who David Wilcock is, and Alex Jones may over exaggerate stuff, but if you don't think something is very serious wrong with our society your not paying attention. The reason these guys get so much attention is becasue it's on people's minds!

      Take the Federal Reserve. I told a guy on a Voice Chat I was in that it was a private bank and the guy got so mad at me and muted my mic and sent me a link to Wiki which said what I just told the idiot but he was too stupid to understand English and what he read!


      So you don't have to agree with them, but you should at least know what you are talking about.

      Look at vaccines. If you think they work ytou should ask your Doctor why there is a Federal Vaccine Fund and why Federal Law protects them and the drug companies from being sued!

      Our Medical profession is horrible! Conspiracies are real just go to court some day! Every week people are convicted of it. ....


      The people who founded this country did NOT TRUST ANY GOVERNMENT
      Oh my ******* word, that's NOT the point of this post! Do not bring any of that shit up, ok? This is merely used to illustrate how effective these marketers are. This is NOT an invitation to preach about the topics these nutters go over.

      Furthermore, I understand this shit very well, which is why I can say that most of it is complete shit. Ok, you completely missed the point of this thread. Geez! I need to get a glass of water and calm down.
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      • Profile picture of the author m00d
        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

        Oh my ******* word, that's NOT the point of this post! Do not bring any of that shit up, ok? This is merely used to illustrate how effective these marketers are. This is NOT an invitation to preach about the topics these nutters go over.

        Furthermore, I understand this shit very well, which is why I can say that most of it is complete shit. Ok, you completely missed the point of this thread. Geez! I need to get a glass of water and calm down.
        Dudeman,

        I think that guy proved your point!!
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I FULLY AGREE. 110%.

    I have actually been using my own "conspiracies" in my marketing. I can tell you for a fact these guys are geniuses. Its a brilliant way to market because it secretely taps into peoples innate fears and paranoia. Especially if you consider that we're living in "the age of skepticism", people are that much more likely to be attracted to this garbage.

    For instance. I absolutely hate Alex Jones. I despise him. I think he is a salesman and an actor, and a very talented one at that.

    However, I still watch Alex Jones channel 3-4 times a week. All I can say, is with all the hate I have for him, I'm still watching his content. I'm still going to his channels to correct things that aren't true. I'm still drawn to the man in a very sadistic type of way.

    Also, its not just the controversy but the mere drama & entertainment of it all. You can still hate someone, but find them extremely entertaining. There is no doubt that hes a very passionate guy. And the way he oversimplifies complex issues appeals to a lot of people. Its earily similar to how tyrants work. And apparently Alex Jones has rubbed off on me just because I'm talking about tyrants right now. But when a person is that passionate and enthusiastic about something... it almost doesn't matter what direction they're trying to take you in. You just go for the ride even if you hate where your headed.

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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      I FULLY AGREE. 110%.

      I have actually been using my own "conspiracies" in my marketing. I can tell you for a fact these guys are geniuses. Its a brilliant way to market because it secretely taps into peoples innate fears and paranoia. Especially if you consider that we're living in "the age of skepticism", people are that much more likely to be attracted to this garbage.

      For instance. I absolutely hate Alex Jones. I despise him. I think he is a salesman and an actor, and a very talented one at that.

      However, I still watch Alex Jones channel 3-4 times a week. All I can say, is with all the hate I have for him, I'm still watching his content. I'm still going to his channels to correct things that aren't true. I'm still drawn to the man in a very sadistic type of way.

      Also, its not just the controversy but the mere drama & entertainment of it all. You can still hate someone, but find them extremely entertaining. There is no doubt that hes a very passionate guy. And the way he oversimplifies complex issues appeals to a lot of people. Its earily similar to how tyrants work. And apparently Alex Jones has rubbed off on me just because I'm saying this. But when a person is that passionate and enthusiastic... it almost doesn't matter what direction they're trying to take you in. You just go for the ride even if you hate where your headed.

      -Red
      My sentiments exactly, Red! You (me) almost get a lil jealous when you see how popular these charlatans are. I completely neglected to cite that part, but in an age where skepticism is normal, it becomes so much easier to play on that to your own advantage. Thanks for your input, dude!
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    A lot of people have heard of Alex Jones, David Icke, and David Wilcock(er), these charlatans make about 2 million (or more) per year preaching their garbage. It IS garbage, but people pay attention to them because they follow certain marketing strategies and use psychological triggers.


    I understand your point of view. You are trying to find something useful in their marketing techniques. This is food for thought.

    I personally would never think about imitating their example because this is not my style. I like to be honest and sincere. As a matter of fact, I love honesty.

    I believe that everyone is always looking for honesty.

    But there are people who are totally different. There are many exceptions to this rule. Some people pay more attention to other things in life.

    Yesterday I read an ebook about inventive ways to make money and I read that someone was making money online by drawing cats. He had a silly idea, but he was an excellent marketer.

    I would never think about selling something that was not useful.

    I believe that making money is not my purpose in life. There are many things I wouldn’t do for money.

    This is my point of view.

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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      I believe that making money is not my purpose in life. There are many things I wouldn’t do for money.

      This is my point of view.
      Again, we have our next victim who missed the point of this thread. Refer to RedShifted's comments.

      Most people are confused about how internet marketing. I decided to get creative and tell people to pay attention to the conspiracy theorists because they:

      1) produce compelling content
      2) network with others in their niche
      3) they target their audience very well...better than most warriors i'd imagine.

      IDK how you missed that. Anyway, thanks for reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author momtraders
    AGREED!

    Alex Jones, David Ike, They are becoming household names! Seriously these guys got something right. I do not agree with their tactics, they are scaring people into a delusional state of mind, but wow the content is unreal! Beyonce is part of the illuminati.. really? Fema camps and now the conspiracies about Sandy Hook. These guys are making bank, and people like myself get sucked into reading what they have discovered next. Because honestly people are readily awaking from the ideals that everything is ok, and the first place they land is on Alex Jones proverbial door step.

    I noticed the affiliate products and services and realized Alex Jones has the end times in his back pocket. LITERALLY.

    I'm a marketer by definition, but I don't want to get my readers in such a frenzy one of them might do something stupid. I mean really if a revolution happens, I will know in my heart of hearts these guys had way too much to do with it.
    If the new world order is not a niche, I simply don't know a niche when I see one, my spell checker knows how to spell illuminati. enough said.
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    Oh great thread by the way!
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    Solid post and one that I totally agree with. Guys like Alex Jones and others know how to effectively market themselves to the masses and build a very loyal following.

    I do agree that most marketers could learn a thing or two from a person like him.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Again, we have our next victim who missed the point of this thread. Refer to RedShifted's comments.

    Most people are confused about how internet marketing. I decided to get creative and tell people to pay attention to the conspiracy theorists because they:

    1) produce compelling content
    2) network with others in their niche
    3) they target their audience very well...better than most warriors i'd imagine.

    IDK how you missed that. Anyway, thanks for reading.
    Do we have to agree with your point of view to be considered intelligent?

    I was basically saying that I don’t like the idea to play with other people’s psychological system to make money. Other people do, but I dislike this method.







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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      Do we have to agree with your point of view to be considered intelligent?

      I was basically saying that I don't like the idea to play with other people's psychological system to make money. Other people do, but I dislike this method.


      You totally missed the point, he is not advocating their purpose but merely suggesting to pay attention to their marketing strategies, such as controversial subjects, emotional triggers and anything else that you might learn from watching how they market themselves.

      ~Joseph


      P.S Was that plain enough English for the light bulb to click.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    OK Realdude I get your 4 bullet points.... and I don't disagree. I'll give you those. To make a blanket statement about "conspiracy theories" shifts the point of your argument. Leave your personal feelings out of it next time and maybe you'll win more people over!

    You completely alienate people that way, you should know better!
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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      Do we have to agree with your point of view to be considered intelligent?
      I never said anything to suggest otherwise. I saw no reason to bring the content of the examples I gave into the discussion. It's completely changing the subject and it's inappropriate. You know what I'm saying?


      Originally Posted by Clausenlt View Post

      OK Realdude I get your 4 bullet points.... and I don't disagree. I'll give you those. To make a blanket statement about "conspiracy theories" shifts the point of your argument. Leave your personal feelings out of it next time and maybe you'll win more people over!

      You completely alienate people that way, you should know better!
      It's all part of my brand, man. It's business, nothing personal and I wasn't attacking you. If you felt that I was, then I'm sorry. I'm a bit of a hardass as it is, and I've adopted that as my own brand. So I do "know" better, but I choose otherwise. It is what it is. Some people love being all nice nice, I love keeping it real and a little brazen.

      Also, I don't think I've made a blanket statement on conspiracy theories. There are plenty of shady things going on, but I assure you that listening to conspiracy theorists like the ones I've cited for you, are a very bad idea. I could go in more detail, but this thread is not about them and their positions...it's about learning an interesting marketing perspective from the most unlikely of places.
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      • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

        I never said anything to suggest otherwise. I saw no reason to bring the content of the examples I gave into the discussion. It's completely changing the subject and it's inappropriate. You know what I'm saying?




        It's all part of my brand, man. It's business, nothing personal and I wasn't attacking you. If you felt that I was, then I'm sorry. I'm a bit of a hardass as it is, and I've adopted that as my own brand. So I do "know" better, but I choose otherwise. It is what it is. Some people love being all nice nice, I love keeping it real and a little brazen.

        Also, I don't think I've made a blanket statement on conspiracy theories. There are plenty of shady things going on, but I assure you that listening to conspiracy theorists like the ones I've cited for you, are a very bad idea. I could go in more detail, but this thread is not about them and their positions...it's about learning an interesting marketing perspective from the most unlikely of places.

        I didn't think you were attacking me. But I appreciate the clarification.

        I will say this, using a "method' that you refer to as used by "Charlatans" IMO disqualifies a serious point. I agree this is not the place to debate conspiracies...but using a made up term "conspiracy theory" which was coined by people incapable or unwilling to debate ANY idea of conspiracies as if they are so outrageous they have never happened except in some crazed fantasy...is a blanket statement and ridiculous...again IMO!

        I honestly feel that if what you believe is true about "Conspiracy Theorist" then they are using a completely "HYPED" method of marketing, which I also COMPLETELY disagree with. I am not saying they don't work, but I don't want to atract those kind of people into my business.

        So the short of it is...I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    I'm gonna make one last comment on this and then I am done.

    To me this post is saying..."It doesn't matter how stupid, crazy/insane, unbelievable, outrageous your product is...use this method and you can still sell your CRAP...and here's proof..."


    I disagree and I think it discredits honest and fair marketers who believe in their product and or service!

    I believe the number ONE and ONLY way to truly succeed is to believe first and foremost in what you sell!
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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by Clausenlt View Post

      To me this post is saying..."It doesn't matter how stupid, crazy/insane, unbelievable, outrageous your product is...use this method and you can still sell your CRAP...and here's proof..."
      Well just so you know, that was NOT what this thread was about. I thought I was pretty clear on that, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author themodernworld
    Haha I was actually thinking in a similar mindset a couple days ago. It's nice to see someone else agreeing.

    The thing about some of those people you listed is that they have a ton of passion! They have a message they need to get out. It's dire to them. Alex Jones is one to watch. He uses everything in his arsenal. One of the best he uses is videos.

    The thing about these guys is that while some of it might be untrue, they say a lot of true things as well. You just need to learn when to pay attention and when not to with them.

    But yes, they are great marketers, entertainers, spokesmen and also passionate about what they preach.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Leave your personal feelings out of it next time and maybe you'll win more people over!
      I think you missed the point of the thread. It's an observation - not an argument of right and wrong. Once you took that stance it was a matter of defending your position.

      The conspiracy guys have some traits we can learn from even if we don't like what they say.

      They identify WITH their audience and appeal to the emotions/fears of readers. There's one trait in their writing that I've noticed:

      They don't tell you what to think....they throw out a bunch of pseudo proof and then say "what should we think about this".

      They don't say "you should be afraid of this" - but they list vague and unproven "facts" and paint a scenario with those unproven facts - and then say "what are THEY doing"? That makes the reader feel like "one of us" and not "one of them". It's subtle and powerful. They "influence thinking" rather than spouting their opinions as "the word".

      Most talk to readers as "we" and "they" - rather than "I". It includes followers (readers) in "our insight" and makes them part of the group.
      These conspiracists include enough verifiable fact that readers don't notice how many of their "facts" are untrue.

      This is not true only of conspiracy theorists - it's true of anyone willing to say anything to promote their point of view. They appeal to basic elements in human nature but that's not what most of us want to do.

      The style of writing of many of the blogs is something we can learn from. It's straight "me to you" style that is more personal than the standard marketing approach.

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      • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The conspiracy guys have some traits we can learn from even if we don't like what they say.

        They identify WITH their audience and appeal to the emotions/fears of readers. There's one trait in their writing that I've noticed:

        They don't tell you what to think....they throw out a bunch of pseudo proof and then say "what should we think about this".

        They don't say "you should be afraid of this" - but they list vague and unproven "facts" and paint a scenario with those unproven facts - and then say "what are THEY doing"? That makes the reader feel like "one of us" and not "one of them". It's subtle and powerful. They "influence thinking" rather than spouting their opinions as "the word".

        Most talk to readers as "we" and "they" - rather than "I". It includes followers (readers) in "our insight" and makes them part of the group.
        These conspiracists include enough verifiable fact that readers don't notice how many of their "facts" are untrue.

        This is not true only of conspiracy theorists - it's true of anyone willing to say anything to promote their point of view. They appeal to basic elements in human nature but that's not what most of us want to do.

        The style of writing of many of the blogs is something we can learn from. It's straight "me to you" style that is more personal than the standard marketing approach.
        Thanks, Kay. I'm glad that you understood what I'm talking about. Great job with the breakdown too, since the above points are some excellent additions.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You totally missed the point, he is not advocating their purpose but merely suggesting to pay attention to their marketing strategies, such as controversial subjects, emotional triggers and anything else that you might learn from watching how they market themselves.

    ~Joseph


    I don’t think that they are good examples. I cannot find anything I should imitate.



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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Alex Jones caused 9/11.

    He always says "follow the money" ... well, I can't think of anyone who made more money off of 9/11 paranoia than him. Therefore, following his own logic, he's responsible for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    They do certain things very effectively.

    They build a "tribe" or a following of people by playing to their fears and suspicions and identifying and rallying against a common enemy. The "us vs them" mentality. They are in effect creating the feeling of being on a team that's smarter than everyone else and it works quite well in building trust and solidarity.

    It makes it so your audience will do anything for you and defend you against naysayers.

    It's extremely effective.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      There are some real nut jobs out there!
      That's very sad but very true. I remember when my old man used to say "there can't be THAT many crazy people in the world." Well, I believe there is.

      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Alex Jones caused 9/11.

      He always says "follow the money" ... well, I can't think of anyone who made more money off of 9/11 paranoia than him. Therefore, following his own logic, he's responsible for it.
      Oh quite certainly, but you see, logic isn't a conspiracy theorist's strong suit. Logic is actually their enemy.

      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

      They do certain things very effectively.

      They build a "tribe" or a following of people by playing to their fears and suspicions and identifying and rallying against a common enemy. The "us vs them" mentality. They are in effect creating the feeling of being on a team that's smarter than everyone else and it works quite well in building trust and solidarity.

      It makes it so your audience will do anything for you and defend you against naysayers.

      It's extremely effective.
      Exactly. I'm glad that you see that as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Yes they are excellent marketers. They also work very hard and have done for a long time (15 years). The last few days the Alex Jones infowars.com site got over 15 million unique visitors per day. That is some serious traffic.
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  • I actually thought about this myself. But it not so easy as it seems. You must have something/a theory of yourself. Rehashing other people´s stuff will probably not work.

    To make lots of money you need top products. For making videos, for instance, you need lots of pictures and you need to have a good voice. Could you make something like this?

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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by squadron View Post

      Yes they are excellent marketers. They also work very hard and have done for a long time (15 years). The last few days the Alex Jones infowars.com site got over 15 million unique visitors per day. That is some serious traffic.
      Indeed, that trumps a typical guru product launch. lol

      Originally Posted by affiliated survivor View Post

      I actually thought about this myself. But it not so easy as it seems.
      I never said it was easy.
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