Ready to give up on Clickbank (vendor)

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I have a product in the parenting niche. Low refund rates, high satisfaction from customers, unique method. I offer 65% commission. My CB quality score is "very good".

The sales page ranked well for many relevant keywords and visitor numbers have been steadily growing over the past 6 months or so.

The conversion rate needs improvement (I'm working on it!), especially for mobile.

I started out using Clickbank, thinking that affiliates would be the main seller of my product and would have access to audiences and lists that I don't have. That hasn't happened. I have around 100 affiliates now, and none of them has sold many (~5-10% of overall sales).

When a new affiliate joins, they usually test their hoplink, and I can see where the link came from in my Analytics software. So far, I haven't seen any 'quality' affiliates join, i.e. affiliates who add some value to visitors. In fact most seem to be spam websites that simply plug the product name and hop link into a standard template, pretending to be a review site--hopefully buyers see through the sites, since the grammar is usually appalling and the sentence don't make any sense. People occasionally visit my site from one of these, clearly looking for genuine reviews, and the bogus review site gets a commission. As I said, not a huge number of sales, but no value for the customer and a loss of 65% commission to me.

The really annoying thing is that when I have a few affiliate sales, gravity goes up, and my product attracts more of these spam affiliates.

The worst part is that now I seem to have at least one affiliate possibly using black hat SEO techniques. I don't know how they do it, but somehow they manage to hijack my domain name in the SERPs, so that for all of my keywords their hoplink appears in the results, with my meta details. My url is gone, and link goes directly to my sales page.

This has happened twice so far, i.e. with two different affiliates. As you can imagine, when someone using Google sees a hoplink in the search results, they are much less likely to click on it. My visitor numbers plummeted. And any sales that did come through would be credited to this affiliate who has done nothing (nothing legal anyway). I'm not positive that black hat has been used since no one (including Google Webmaster forums) seems to know how this happens. I can't find a site on the web using an iFrame with my content. And it is Google policy not to list aff links in the SERPs. Yet this has happened (and this is the second time in 6 months).

One reason I suspect black hat is the affiliate name--iknowseo!

I asked Clickbank to remove the affiliate from my account and they have done so. But the problem isn't solved. Until Google recrawls, the hoplink is still there in the SERPs. It's been 12 days since they last crawled my page and who knows how long I will have to wait. I have resubmitted through Google Analytics, but that hasn't sped up the process.

So, since I seem to be attracting the dregs from the bottom of the affiliate barrel, and gaining only grief from doing so, I'm ready to call it quits with Clickbank and give affiliates a miss.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? What did you do?
Am I missing something here?

Any thoughts appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    How long have you been selling this product on ClickBank?

    Have you been running split tests of your sales pages?
    You should be running paid traffic to your pages and improve the conversions, then you'll have some good data to present when looking for quality affiliates and JV partners.

    Here's what I would do:

    1) Run PPC campaigns to text/tweak my sales conversions
    2) Raise the commissions to 75%
    3) Contact other product owners in your niche for possible JV partnerships.
    4) Actively contacting quality affiliates from competing products that fit your niche.
    5) If people are looking for quality reviews of your product (as you state) then put some effort into building your own review sites for your own product.
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    • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
      Thanks Mike.
      In summary it sounds like you think I should seek out better quality affiliates

      I've been selling through CB for 15 months, although sales only took off after Google Penguin and Panda updates last year when my page rank and natural search result position improved drastically.

      I continually split test sales page changes, and have a heap more changes to test. I'm going to try a major rewrite and get some tips on the copywriting forum here.

      1/ Not sure about the advantages of PPC? I'm only familiar with Google Adwords. Since my page ranks well (top 1-10 for relevant keywords), and PPC would be competing against this, what would be the benefit?

      2/ I can raise commissions, and happy to try that, although 50% is standard in my niche.

      3/ I hadn't thought of other product owners--will give that a try.

      4/ when I first started out, I contacted potential affiliates in the same niche but didn't have any success. Perhaps now I have refund rates (and hopefully soon, improved conversion rates), I might have more success.

      5/ I could easily create review site, but I know from experience that it's almost impossible to get people to post reviews. Even Amazon struggles to get a 1% review rate. Have you had success with this method?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

        Thanks Mike.
        In summary it sounds like you think I should seek out better quality affiliates

        I've been selling through CB for 15 months, although sales only took off after Google Penguin and Panda updates last year when my page rank and natural search result position improved drastically.

        I continually split test sales page changes, and have a heap more changes to test. I'm going to try a major rewrite and get some tips on the copywriting forum here.

        1/ Not sure about the advantages of PPC? I'm only familiar with Google Adwords. Since my page ranks well (top 1-10 for relevant keywords), and PPC would be competing against this, what would be the benefit?

        a) Google content network places your ads directly on other people's websites. I'll bet there are websites in your niche that get a good amount of traffic that have adsense setup. Also, try smaller PPC networks.

        Don't wait around for traffic, drive traffic with PPC to test and then look for JV partners after you have proof of conversions.


        2/ I can raise commissions, and happy to try that, although 50% is standard in my niche.

        3/ I hadn't thought of other product owners--will give that a try.

        4/ when I first started out, I contacted potential affiliates in the same niche but didn't have any success. Perhaps now I have refund rates (and hopefully soon, improved conversion rates), I might have more success.
        You didn't have much success with that because you didn't have proof of conversion. Product owners and website owners get contacted everyday for affiliate proposals so you need proof your sales page converts. Plus create affiliate tools for them to use so they don't have to do any of the work.


        5/ I could easily create review site, but I know from experience that it's almost impossible to get people to post reviews. Even Amazon struggles to get a 1% review rate. Have you had success with this method?
        You are thinking about the wrong kind of review site. Simple buy another domain, create an in depth review about your product using a pen name and compete against yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    Having affiliates to promote for you is a great strategy but you might want to do more promotion on your own as Mike Hill has suggested. In that way besides improving the sales conversion, your affiliates will earn more money too as the sales conversion is good. This will encourage them more to promote.

    One method that I see some marketers use is that they try to convert every customers that bought the product to become their affiliate. You might want to try that too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    For me, I wouldn't even consider contacting anyone to JV or become an affiliate until I had solid proof of conversion. Meaning I spent a lot of time testing my sales pages, landing pages, free offer pages and emails.

    I would spend 100% of my time with PPC traffic to test until I had a solid track record of conversion, then I would approach possible JV partners individually.

    The Truth About Abs site owner Mike Geary, spent 2 years on his site, testing and tweaking it before things started turning around for him. Now he makes over $1,000,000 per month with that website.

    Some people will say "Well, I need more traffic to test my sales page conversions so I must have a traffic problem" NO, you do not have a traffic problem because you can easily throw down some money on PPC... what you have is a conversion problem.

    Now you don't have to drop a mortgage on PPC. Heck start with $25 a week if you have to. Run your tests and learn from the data. Each week purchase more data (run PPC campaigns) and after a while your conversions will increase, so long as you have the correct message to market match here.

    But I would not waste my time trying to conquer Google organic search, you can do so much more beneficial things than to waste time doing that.
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    • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      For me, I wouldn't even consider contacting anyone to JV or become an affiliate until I had solid proof of conversion. Meaning I spent a lot of time testing my sales pages, landing pages, free offer pages and emails.

      I would spend 100% of my time with PPC traffic to test until I had a solid track record of conversion, then I would approach possible JV partners individually.

      The Truth About Abs site owner Mike Geary, spent 2 years on his site, testing and tweaking it before things started turning around for him. Now he makes over $1,000,000 per month with that website.

      Some people will say "Well, I need more traffic to test my sales page conversions so I must have a traffic problem" NO, you do not have a traffic problem because you can easily throw down some money on PPC... what you have is a conversion problem.

      Now you don't have to drop a mortgage on PPC. Heck start with $25 a week if you have to. Run your tests and learn from the data. Each week purchase more data (run PPC campaigns) and after a while your conversions will increase, so long as you have the correct message to market match here.

      But I would not waste my time trying to conquer Google organic search, you can do so much more beneficial things than to waste time doing that.

      What Mike is telling you is 100% correct. And it's easy to do.

      So many people hear it and say "ohhh - so much work". But in truth, it is an easy way to check everything you have, MEASURE your results, tweak your results, and GUARANTEE your results over time.

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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      The Truth About Abs site owner Mike Geary, spent 2 years on his site, testing and tweaking it before things started turning around for him. Now he makes over $1,000,000 per month with that website.
      Great post Mike - full of value. But I particularly liked that stat. Plenty of encouragement there.

      Will
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      • Profile picture of the author Anton543
        Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

        Great post Mike - full of value. But I particularly liked that stat. Plenty of encouragement there.

        Will
        How truthful that stat is we are not sure. Could be a marketing ploy to get people promoting it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
          Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

          How truthful that stat is we are not sure. Could be a marketing ploy to get people promoting it.

          Pffft.... Take it or leave it but that information has been available for a long time now and I don't think he has a problem getting people to promote it. His ads have been everywhere for years now.
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          • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
            Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

            Pffft.... Take it or leave it but that information has been available for a long time now and I don't think he has a problem getting people to promote it. His ads have been everywhere for years now.
            Mike is the real deal, and his number are "up there."

            One of his secrets, in case you are wondering, is that he actually TRAINS
            his affiliates. This makes them more effective, but it also builds a degree of
            loyalty, so they stick around longer!

            As has already been eluded to, most newer affiliate marketers don't know
            HOW to sell so that resort to tricks that they pick up in various places, that
            may work short-term, but also can have long-term adverse effects.

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    • Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      For me, I wouldn't even consider contacting anyone to JV or become an affiliate until I had solid proof of conversion. Meaning I spent a lot of time testing my sales pages, landing pages, free offer pages and emails.

      I would spend 100% of my time with PPC traffic to test until I had a solid track record of conversion, then I would approach possible JV partners individually.

      The Truth About Abs site owner Mike Geary, spent 2 years on his site, testing and tweaking it before things started turning around for him. Now he makes over $1,000,000 per month with that website.

      Some people will say "Well, I need more traffic to test my sales page conversions so I must have a traffic problem" NO, you do not have a traffic problem because you can easily throw down some money on PPC... what you have is a conversion problem.

      Now you don't have to drop a mortgage on PPC. Heck start with $25 a week if you have to. Run your tests and learn from the data. Each week purchase more data (run PPC campaigns) and after a while your conversions will increase, so long as you have the correct message to market match here.

      But I would not waste my time trying to conquer Google organic search, you can do so much more beneficial things than to waste time doing that.
      Thats interesting I'm seeing a lot on WF about not worrying about SEO and organic research.
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      • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
        Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

        Thanks for sharing your experience John. You're right, mine isn't as bad yet. But the writing is on the wall. There are a few sites that have copied my content, but mostly I've been hit by the scam mass 'review' sites. Apparently Google can penalise for these poor quality links too.

        And now Google also insists on all affiliate links being "rel=nofollow". If your affiliates aren't using nofollow links, Google penalises the vendor site.

        I'm sorry you had to go so far as de-listing from Clickbank but it makes sense.

        Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

        This is an interesting option Harvey. From reading the CB page, I could set my lowest tier at a very low percentage commission (even 1%), and (hopefully) discourage the scammers. Of course it would also discourage genuine affiliates who are browsing for a product to promote, but that seems to be such a small percentage that it's not worth worrying about.

        Then the next tier could be 75% commission and would be for JVs that I have found myself.

        The crucial issue would be, what happens to the affiliates I have at the moment and would like to get rid of? Will they stop listing my product once I drop the commission to 1%, and stop being a problem for me????
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        • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
          Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

          This is an interesting option Harvey. From reading the CB page, I could have my lowest tier at a very low percentage commission (even 1%), and (hopefully) discourage the scammers. Of course it would also discourage genuine affiliates who are browsing for a product to promote, but that seems to be such a small percentage that it's not worth worrying about.

          Then the next tier could be 75% commission and would be for JVs that I have found myself.

          The crucial issue would be, what happens to the affiliates I have at the moment and would like to get rid of? Will they stop listing my product once I drop the commission to 1%, and stop being a problem for me????
          You can keep your Marketplace commission the same - anyone joining would need to be whitelisted.

          To remove the existing 'problem' affiliates find out their ClickBank account names (by clicking though on their sites) and ask ClickBank to remove.

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          • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
            Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

            You can keep your Marketplace commission the same - anyone joining would need to be whitelisted..
            Even better.

            Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

            To remove the existing 'problem' affiliates find out their ClickBank account names (by clicking though on their sites) and ask ClickBank to remove.
            I assumed CB needed a good reason to remove affiliates. I guess having a scammy site is a good enough reason
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

            To remove the existing 'problem' affiliates find out their ClickBank account names (by clicking though on their sites) and ask ClickBank to remove..
            I would do this before things get any worse.

            If it gets too bad, then it becomes an issue with Google, and that goes beyond any changes made with CB.

            By the way, most affiliates build out these sites, then ditch them. In my case, almost all of the sites I tried to contact in order to have my content removed - I never heard back. Some sites didn't even have a contact page.

            This then leaves you in the position of having some crappy site pushing garbage to your site. I started reporting them using Google Spam Report Tool with moderate success (almost all of the sites I reported were removed) ....but again, I decided to start over because of the sheer volume of them.
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            • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
              Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

              I would do this before things get any worse.

              If it gets too bad, then it becomes an issue with Google, and that goes beyond any changes made with CB.
              I'm going through them all now. Quite a list!

              . I started reporting them using Google Spam Report Tool with moderate success (almost all of the sites I reported were removed) ....but again, I decided to start over because of the sheer volume of them.
              Good to know that Google removed them. That gives me some hope.

              I know that Google's policy is to make search results relevant and as high quality as possible, but they seem to be failing dismally in this area. Presumably they will keep working at trying to identify the original source of content, and the garbage sites, and eventually the latter might disappear from the SERPs altogether.
              Wouldn't that be nice :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
                Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

                Presumably they will keep working at trying to identify the original source of content,
                This is where Google Authorship comes into play.

                If you don't already have it in place, consider getting onto it, ASAP.
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        • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
          Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

          And now Google also insists on all affiliate links being "rel=nofollow". If your affiliates aren't using nofollow links, Google penalises the vendor site.
          Are you sure about that?

          I guess that would explain why searching on a product name never brings up an Amazon page, what with them having so many affiliates... :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
            Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

            This is where Google Authorship comes into play.

            If you don't already have it in place, consider getting onto it, ASAP.
            Awesome, will do.

            Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

            Are you sure about that?
            Actually it's second hand, so I can't vouch for it
            I was reading today on the Google Webmaster forum--quite a few posts about sites being penalised and having to make changes. In order to be reconsidered, one of the changes that was frequently recommended and implemented was adding NoFollow to affiliate links. (On my own sites, aff links are redirected/cloaked so presumably this will suffice.)

            But, I've not seen this in print from Google.
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            • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
              Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

              I assumed CB needed a good reason to remove affiliates. I guess having a scammy site is a good enough reason
              I suggested this because you have already said that you got ClickBank to remove a particular affiliate

              Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

              I'm going through them all now. Quite a list!
              An ideal job for Fiverr ?

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            • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
              Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

              Awesome, will do.


              Actually it's second hand, so I can't vouch for it
              I was reading today on the Google Webmaster forum--quite a few posts about sites being penalised and having to make changes. In order to be reconsidered, one of the changes that was frequently recommended and implemented was adding NoFollow to affiliate links. (On my own sites, aff links are redirected/cloaked so presumably this will suffice.)

              But, I've not seen this in print from Google.
              I think you're conflating two things.

              1. Whether the affiliate is penalised for being the source of a do-follow link.


              2. whether the vendor is penalised for being the destination of a do-follow.


              I think 1 is plausible, maybe even likely. My own experience and tests suggests it is likely.

              For 2, I don't know that it's impossible, but I have yet to see any real evidence for it. I doubt amazon is going to be penalised for having zillions of affiliates, for example.
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              • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
                Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

                I suggested this because you have already said that you got ClickBank to remove a particular affiliate.
                I made a strong case for removal in my request. Whether that was necessary I don't know for sure. I've heard others say that CB won't remove an affiliate just because you want them to, but I really don't know whether that is true. I'll soon see.

                Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

                An ideal job for Fiverr ?
                Yep

                Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

                I think you're conflating two things.

                1. Whether the affiliate is penalised for being the source of a do-follow link.


                2. whether the vendor is penalised for being the destination of a do-follow.
                I think you might be right. I thought I had read about both sides of the coin but when I went back to those discussions, couldn't find any about incoming affiliate links.
                At least that's a positive for my scenario.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I experienced the same issues with one of my own sites, and in the end had to take it down and start over (new domain, new product names etc) due to the sheer volume of useless affiliates that were basically scraping the content (outright copying) from my site and replicating it onto thin crappy affiliate sites.

    In the end my site wasn't even ranking for its own product terms. This is because my site got penalized for duplicate content (Panda). One of my pages had been copied over 4,120 times.

    If you continue to let this take place, eventually your site, your product and everything associated with it, will end in a huge train wreck.

    If you want to protect your site, your product, your marketing efforts and everything else - remove your product from the marketplace.

    I shot a video about my experiences which you can watch here.

    Spammy Affiliates, Copied Content and Google Penalties - Is It Really Worth Listing in The Clickbank Marketplace?

    From what I can tell, your site hasn't been hit as bad as mine had, but that's just a matter of time. Clickbank is supposedly "well known" for having an army of affiliates - but in my experiences, thats rubbish. 99% of them either have NFI, or they're just f'ng lazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      I shot a video about my experiences which you can watch here.
      In the transcription you say

      Lastly, I guess the next best solution would just be to use an affiliate network where affiliates need to apply in order to promote your stuff. This is something that I'd really like to see implemented, or introduced into Clickbank, because affiliates need to apply before they can start promoting your stuff. This at least gives vendors a bit of ....a level of control, so that they can look and see what the affiliate is doing, and say "not interested", or "hey, you've got the perfect audience, let's work together".

      Well Commission Tiers will enable this
      https://support.clickbank.com/entrie...ent-Affiliates

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    • Profile picture of the author Tropical1
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      I experienced the same issues with one of my own sites, and in the end had to take it down and start over (new domain, new product names etc) due to the sheer volume of useless affiliates that were basically scraping the content (outright copying) from my site and replicating it onto thin crappy affiliate sites.

      In the end my site wasn't even ranking for its own product terms. This is because my site got penalized for duplicate content (Panda). One of my pages had been copied over 4,120 times.

      If you continue to let this take place, eventually your site, your product and everything associated with it, will end in a huge train wreck.

      If you want to protect your site, your product, your marketing efforts and everything else - remove your product from the marketplace.

      I shot a video about my experiences which you can watch here.

      Spammy Affiliates, Copied Content and Google Penalties - Is It Really Worth Listing in The Clickbank Marketplace?

      From what I can tell, your site hasn't been hit as bad as mine had, but that's just a matter of time. Clickbank is supposedly "well known" for having an army of affiliates - but in my experiences, thats rubbish. 99% of them either have NFI, or they're just f'ng lazy.
      Thank you for those tips in the video, something I would never of thought of. Cheers - Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Thank you so much for providing that Harvey. I'd heard of that feature with Clickbank, but was unable to find it. I was beginning to think it had been confused as a feature offered by a different network.
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  • Profile picture of the author mark healy
    sounds like you need to screen your affiliates.With clickbank this is very difficult, but i would say once you have some real positive stats from either online or offline advertising find the low hanging fruit affiliates ( people who are not big names but have tons of high quality traffic and not heard about), build relashionships with them first and then get them onboard as a JV. Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeMack
    Hi...

    Do you have marketing tools that affiliates can use? Most affiliates are newbies that are using techniques that are either outdated, unknowingly blackhat, or simply ineffective. Giving them marketing tools (emails, banners, etc) to use is step one. The other step is giving them a marketing plan to follow.

    What would you LIKE your affiliates to do to promote your offer? Now right up a guide showing affiliates how to do it.

    Much Success,

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    • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
      I didn't realise that when I started out. All I provided was images.

      I have started working on a much more comprehensive set of affiliate resources. A guide to promote in a way that I would like is a great idea. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

    ...

    I asked Clickbank to remove the affiliate from my account and they have done so. But the problem isn't solved. Until Google recrawls, the hoplink is still there in the SERPs. It's been 12 days since they last crawled my page and who knows how long I will have to wait. I have resubmitted through Google Analytics, but that hasn't sped up the process.

    ...

    Have you tried the disavow links tool from google?

    https://support.google.com/webmaster...answer=2648487
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    • Profile picture of the author vendor
      Regarding affiliates hijacking your
      Domain name with hoplinks on the SERPS
      I have had the very same issue in the past.
      Contact me in private and I will give you a simple
      Solution that will resolve it 100%
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      • Profile picture of the author anton343
        Originally Posted by vendor View Post

        Regarding affiliates hijacking your
        Domain name with hoplinks on the SERPS
        I have had the very same issue in the past.
        Contact me in private and I will give you a simple
        Solution that will resolve it 100%
        Why not share the solution on here, or is it something you charge for

        anton
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        • Profile picture of the author vendor
          I knew Someone would ask that.
          There is a reason (very valid and logical FOR ME why I don't wAnt
          To post it here)
          And no, I will not charge for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
      Originally Posted by Rbtmarshall View Post

      Have you tried the disavow links tool from google?

      https://support.google.com/webmaster...answer=2648487
      Thanks for the suggestion.
      I have looked into Disallow and I don't think it would do what I need.

      It seems that hoplinks are not seen as incoming links in any case--e.g. they are not listed in Alexa.com as incoming links. I guess because they actually point to Clickbank (AFFILIATE.VENDOR.hop.clickbank.net), and CB resolves them to point at the sales page. Since disavowing is about telling Google not to consider specific incoming links, I don't think this would have the desired effect.

      Also, AFAIK, Disavow doesn't stop incoming links from being active or reaching your page--is that your understanding? I think it only affects Google's opinion of your page.


      Fortunately, the hoplink is now disappearing gradually from the SERPs. It seems to happen one keyword at a time! From when it first appeared on a single keyword, to starting to disappear, has so far taken 2.5 weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    The disavow tool won't help you if they're scraping your content.

    1. Remove your product from the marketplace, or set your commission to 1% while you clean this mess up. There's little point trying to clean it up, if more low quality affiliates are coming onboard.

    2. Asses the damage, and take action inline with your overall assessment.

    3. I would strongly recommend having a look at the Google Spam Report tool and flushing the crap from the serps. Only do this if the numbers are manageable. In my case, there were just far too many of them.

    4. Report thin affiliates to CB and see if you can have them removed.

    5. If necessary, rewrite any scraped content on your site and make it original.

    6. Move quickly, but act smart.
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    • Profile picture of the author KitschWitch
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      1. Remove your product from the marketplace, ...
      1. Done. I've set it to 1% and will leave it there. I've also created a second tier at 75% for approved affiliates.

      2. In progress.

      3. I think I have too many as well. But I will perhaps report the top ranking ones.

      4. In progress. I'll let you know the outcome.

      5. I've completely rewritten everything and it should be up later today.

      6. Aye, aye.

      Thanks for your support John. You're keeping me focused!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

        Thanks for your support John. You're keeping me focused!
        No problem.

        Be sure once you get everything sorted, that you refer back to the link that Harvey gave above (approved affiliates only)

        Good luck with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Convergence
    YES as a matter of fact, I am having the same exact problem now. I've had a semi successful product on CB for over 2 years now. I used to get 30-40 unique visitors per day from my web page and SEO efforts. Now, I get zero, all of the keyword phrases that I used to rank for come through one particular affiliate now.
    ("hieu89")

    Here is the #1 listing in google for a keyword phrase that I ranked #1 for:
    afbf62x160kp1n481h4mlcle1d.hop.clickbank.net/‎
    From this, it goes directly to my site and credits this particular affiliate if there is a sale.

    I don't know how they are doing it, but it appears that they've hijacked MY keyword rankings.

    I used to get about 10 full sales a month, now I'm lucky if I get 1 because everything is going through this one affiliates link now...


    I guess I'll have to see if CB will remove them. I actually cut the commission I was paying at one point down to 25% just to try and get rid of them and it did work for a while...but, they came back when I raised it again...

    Originally Posted by KitschWitch View Post

    I have a product in the parenting niche. Low refund rates, high satisfaction from customers, unique method. I offer 65% commission. My CB quality score is "very good".

    The sales page ranked well for many relevant keywords and visitor numbers have been steadily growing over the past 6 months or so.

    The conversion rate needs improvement (I'm working on it!), especially for mobile.

    I started out using Clickbank, thinking that affiliates would be the main seller of my product and would have access to audiences and lists that I don't have. That hasn't happened. I have around 100 affiliates now, and none of them has sold many (~5-10% of overall sales).

    When a new affiliate joins, they usually test their hoplink, and I can see where the link came from in my Analytics software. So far, I haven't seen any 'quality' affiliates join, i.e. affiliates who add some value to visitors. In fact most seem to be spam websites that simply plug the product name and hop link into a standard template, pretending to be a review site--hopefully buyers see through the sites, since the grammar is usually appalling and the sentence don't make any sense. People occasionally visit my site from one of these, clearly looking for genuine reviews, and the bogus review site gets a commission. As I said, not a huge number of sales, but no value for the customer and a loss of 65% commission to me.

    The really annoying thing is that when I have a few affiliate sales, gravity goes up, and my product attracts more of these spam affiliates.

    The worst part is that now I seem to have at least one affiliate possibly using black hat SEO techniques. I don't know how they do it, but somehow they manage to hijack my domain name in the SERPs, so that for all of my keywords their hoplink appears in the results, with my meta details. My url is gone, and link goes directly to my sales page.

    This has happened twice so far, i.e. with two different affiliates. As you can imagine, when someone using Google sees a hoplink in the search results, they are much less likely to click on it. My visitor numbers plummeted. And any sales that did come through would be credited to this affiliate who has done nothing (nothing legal anyway). I'm not positive that black hat has been used since no one (including Google Webmaster forums) seems to know how this happens. I can't find a site on the web using an iFrame with my content. And it is Google policy not to list aff links in the SERPs. Yet this has happened (and this is the second time in 6 months).

    One reason I suspect black hat is the affiliate name--iknowseo!

    I asked Clickbank to remove the affiliate from my account and they have done so. But the problem isn't solved. Until Google recrawls, the hoplink is still there in the SERPs. It's been 12 days since they last crawled my page and who knows how long I will have to wait. I have resubmitted through Google Analytics, but that hasn't sped up the process.

    So, since I seem to be attracting the dregs from the bottom of the affiliate barrel, and gaining only grief from doing so, I'm ready to call it quits with Clickbank and give affiliates a miss.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience? What did you do?
    Am I missing something here?

    Any thoughts appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Clickbank has had it's problems.. But it's still good.

    How much do you rely on affiliates?

    If not much, then maybe consider going elsewhere?

    I'm gonna get a lot of hatemail on this one, but I actually love Jvzoo.

    You can get your products listed in 30 seconds.

    If the price is low, no manual approval wait.

    #winning
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Um, you need to re-read this thread and my responses in particular. That will tell you everything you need to know about attracting affiliates the right way and no, you don't start by looking where to contact them.



      Originally Posted by wAVe777 View Post

      Hello,
      We are a new vendor who has a new product ready and live on Clickbank Powered Platform,

      and We want to let all affiliate in all the relevant niches know about our clickbank

      product, and ask them to promote this product and get paid by clickbank.
      What is the best way to let affiliate know about our new website/product quickly ?

      Is this the best place to post this question on this forum ? please guide us where to post

      this question on this forum, as well as helping us informing affiliates!

      Thank you very much,
      best regards
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
          Originally Posted by wAVe777 View Post

          Hi Mike,
          We know the concepts of affiliate marketing as well as being a vendor on clickbank. But we didn't expect was being Live on clickbank marketplace for almost a week, and no affiliate promoting us yet. This is the same old problem with getting traffic that all vendors have, but we thought as a clickbank vendor, and 100,000 affiliates, we shouldn't be worry about traffic again. Please notice that, as you know, traffic has nothing to do with quality and conversion in the first place, but after we get traffic, we can see the conversion rate and how much people loved the content, especially that we our product is on ClickBank Powered Platform and is one of the best Self-Help products ever released!

          I actually read the whole conversion issues here, but I am an almost expert in SEO , and our brand/market is already on top of any other websites/blogs who had already promoted us, but they are just affiliate who copied and pasted our content to their websites and even used subdomain forward-mask tricks to come to our HopLink Target URL, but as I mentioned, they can't beat us on google searches or ranking, as we already established a huge reputation on our keywords on google before we even think about releasing our wonderful and rare product!

          So the SEO and google and getting a few hoplinks hit in a day is not our problem, the problem is, how to notify and inform big super affiliates in clickbank for FREE to come and promote us by emails or serious articles and serious stuff so that they can get 75 % commission in return?!

          Any suggestion ?

          I think/hope that just a small spike can launch our website/brand forever, and we do not have to worry about traffic anymore, hopefully!

          Thank you so very much,
          best regards

          Affiliate traffic has EVERYTHING to do with conversions... Like I said, you need to concentrate on testing and getting your conversions higher. When your conversions are high affiliates will find you I kid you not.

          The reason why conversions has everything to do with attracting affiliates is because they WILL NOT promote products that do not have solid conversion metrics. Some may try it but they surely won't invest time or money into the project until they can see it will actually convert.

          I'm NOT trying to get into a pissing match here but you asked for advice and I'm trying to help you out but if you insist on looking for affiliates before you are clearly not even ready for at this stage of the game, then good luck.

          PS. Forget SEO... it's so unreliable and you cannot measure that metric as well as you can with PAID traffic. Even if you're investment is small in the beginning, just do it and get the data you need to make improvements until you have a well oiled machine. Guessing what you "think" will convert is not worth salt and affiliates will not promote for you, it's as clear as that.

          PPS. The people at the top of ClickBank right now didn't get there over night. They spent money and a lot of time investment spanning from a few months to a year or so getting their offer to convert at a solid reliable rate before they ever concentrated on getting and catering to affiliates.

          PPPS. 75% in the standard now... it's not a huge attractor but it does help. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if 75% commission is your #1 attractor for affiliates then you need to rethink things. The #1 attractor should be Quality product at ____% conversion which gives you an $______ EPC. On top of that you are getting the Industry Standard of 75% commissions (higher if you qualify... more on that later)... etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author CyndiHester
      Like Mike says, "Affiliate traffic has everything to do with conversions!. If you can show solid proof
      of conversions, it does not matter what the product is, affiliates will be flocking to you!


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