When does PLR cease to be true PLR and just become MRR

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Question for discussion...

What do you think of when you see PLR rights

Should there be any restrcitions at all once you have Private label rights and should the site owners be able to change the rules so radically that with in 3 months of subscription they cease to be PLR but essentially a master resale product only.

Please note I'm not criticising the quality of the products, just the ridiculas changing of rights every month so they become something entirely different from what you originally purchased.

So the short question is should there be any restrictions at all with PLR products?

Robert
#cease #mrr #plr #true
  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    I'm always sure to check the license terms before I buy
    any PLR materials.

    I don't mind paying a premium for good quality products
    that have limited distribution where the PLR rights cannot
    be passed on to others.

    Any supplier who changes the terms after a sale is in breach
    of contract.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      You bring up a few points.

      I don't know if someone is changing rights on you - but technically what ever the list of rights were that you received with the initial package should be the rights you are bound to.

      If someone didn't make specific things clear from the beginning that should be their lesson - not your penalty.

      But now you have me thinking and wondering if there are marketers who have dated their rights specifically. Perhaps there is a need for more than just a text document with a list of rights.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Robert, not knowing your situation specifically, I can't really answer your
        question so let me put my 2 cents in on the subject of PLR in general.

        The very nature of PLR (and of course this depends on what the original
        rights were) makes it so that the person buying the package can pretty
        much do what they want with it, unless certain things are specifically stated
        that can't be done.

        It's very hard to account for all possibilities, especially with a changing
        environment. A new technology may come out that makes a PLR package
        almost worthless because of what you can do with that package in
        combination with the technology. This is one of the reasons why you'll
        see legal mumbo jumbo that says "cannot be printed, copied or duplicated
        by any existing medium or any medium that may be invented in the future."

        If you take a look at a list of rights that one of our members here wrote
        up, you'll see that there are a ton of them. A novice product creator may
        inadvertently leave one of those rights unmentioned, thus leaving it open
        to interpretation by the buyer to do as he or she pleases. If it doesn't say
        "you can't do this" legally, they have every right to do it...even if whatever
        it is was NEVER intended to be allowed.

        This is why I think PLR products are just flat out dangerous to sell and
        buy unless you know for certain that your marketing skills can sell the
        crap out of it even if there are loopholes that were left out of the rights
        file.

        And then of course, there are going to be those select few scuzz buckets
        who will say, "The hell with it" and just do whatever they want with the
        package, like sell it on eBay even though the rights say "cannot be sold at
        auction sites." And let's not even get into the prices that these things
        are sold for by some of the buyers. Some of my own PLR products are
        being given away, which is why I've created my last PLR product. It's just
        not worth it. The initial big sale doesn't make up for all the lost revenue
        for future sales I could have made because the product is probably being
        sold for $1 at Craigslist.

        But as for changing the terms of the product after the sale?

        That's just flat out wrong.

        I don't know what legal action you can take, if any, but I'd write to the
        guy and say, "Hey, when I bought this from you, these were the rights
        and now, 3 months later, these are the rights. That's just plain wrong."

        And see what kind of reply you get.

        The smart PLR buyer, which I am sure you are, will so radically change
        the product, that nobody would be able to recognize it when it's done.

        Anyway, these are my thoughts on this whole subject.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Robert,


        When does PLR cease to be true PLR and just become MRR
        I would have thought that it would be when they don't allow you to change the content (if it's text) or for software when they don't allow you to rebrand it or change the source code (but software is more 'grey area' because I have seen software sold as PLR where you can repackage/rebrand but not change the source code - as well as many other variations).

        I guess software becomes MRR if you can only resell it as it is, without changing source code, package/brand or anything else etc.

        Should there be any restrcitions at all once you have Private label rights and should the site owners be able to change the rules so radically that with in 3 months of subscription they cease to be PLR but essentially a master resale product only.
        The only time I would find it acceptable would be if the seller had realised later on (after discovering a reseller causing issues to others) that their terms were insufficient to protect the interests of all other resellers.

        If they changed the terms purely to benefit themselves, and also if it was to the detriment of the resellers (IE causing their purchase/membership to become worth less) then I wouldn't be happy.

        I've had many experiences similar to this where something has occurred which has reduced the benefits of my purchase after the purchase has been made. My course of action has been to question the seller, ask for a refund if necessary, or simply let them know my feelings, mark them in the 'black book' and move on.

        But even so, you can't get back the time you spend on projects that are ruined by these sort of issues.

        Anyone else remember the Private Label Monthly vs Adsense Templates 2 debacle, where due to a plaguarism issue, the two sellers eventually came to a 'compromise' and the buyers were shafted? I was one of those buyers of the former who got shafted. The buyers were sold on the product as 'limited availability', but due to someone plaguarising all of the content and throwing some new templates in, the content was then spread to a couple of thousand buyers PLUS all the people who bought it on the sly from ebay resellers and black hat places.

        That content then became the worst possible content to rewrite and use because every word of it was slapped on thousands of MFA sites - some of them thrown up instantly on a domain with 70 subdomains - some footprint! Many of us were already working that content and had to abandon our projects. The seller decided that rather than going legal to protect the exclusivity of his content and members, he would come to some 'mutually beneficial agreement' with the other party, but an exclusively unbeneficial agreement with his members who were putting food on his table every month.

        I've had many experiences like this and those people (many whos names you would all know) are bolded and underlined in my 'book'.



        I now generally avoid PLR coming from the IM niche because it's way too risky and messy, and whenever things go awry, it's the buyer who gets shafted. No ta.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi Tina,
            Once rights are granted, you can't take them away at a later date. The seller can only change the rights for those purchasing the package now. The seller may try to change them but legally you would retain the rights in the original agreement.
            No offence, but is this from a legitimate legal source, or not?
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

              Hi Tina,
              No offence, but is this from a legitimate legal source, or not?
              Hey Roger...

              It's basic contract law 101. If someone can change the terms, then there's really no contract. A contract implies a "meeting of the minds".

              There's a difference with something like Paypal changing their TOS, as it's for all transactions forward...They don't adjust their fees/terms retroactively.

              Hey Robert...

              In my mind PLR means I can put my name on it and resell it, that's the "label". MRR means I can resell it. Specific rights need to be specified.
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              • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Hey Roger...

                It's basic contract law 101. If someone can change the terms, then there's really no contract. A contract implies a "meeting of the minds".

                There's a difference with something like Paypal changing their TOS, as it's for all transactions forward...They don't adjust their fees/terms retroactively.

                Hey Robert...

                In my mind PLR means I can put my name on it and resell it, that's the "label". MRR means I can resell it. Specific rights need to be specified.
                To be fair they are changing the rights as they go, with each new product, its a monthly deal. I still have the rights I signed up for on the first months package.

                Problem is the changes to the new rights only appear with each release, after I already paid the fee for that month.

                My opinion is if its private label rights once I take delivery, i should be able to do what ever i like with it. Just the same if i had it commissioned for me personally, to keep its integrity you charge a higher price for it and restric the source code only.

                In other words while i can do what ever i wish with the product itself I cant sell or release the source code. Restrictions on the source code itself is fine but the product to be true PLR should have no restrictions

                Robert

                PS: I already voiced my discontent and cancelled the subscription
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                • Profile picture of the author SimonHodgkinson
                  I think in many cases the term PLR or Private Label Rights is used incorrectly.

                  The biggest issue being people offering RR/MRR/PLR aren't always sure what it is they're offering...

                  My interpretation of PLR (if no other terms are specified in the licence) means you get the right to edit the content, the right to change the title, the right to claim copyright and the right to sell it.

                  As this work is then 'your own' there should be no restriction on what you do with it - Use it as web content, sell it, offer resell rights, offer master resell rights, give it away... etc.

                  However most PLR sellers I see state you cannot redistribute the raw materials so that someone else can do the same as you...

                  That's Non Transferable Private Label Rights

                  and generally imposed for non compete reasons.

                  Some sellers also add restrictions on what you can do with the (un)edited content....

                  Such as:

                  Can Offer Resell Rights / Can't Offer
                  Can Offer Master Resell Rights / Can't Offer
                  Can Give Away / Can't Give Away
                  Must Sell At $x

                  Etc. etc. etc. etc.

                  Usually in the hope to protect the value of the content, the earnings potential of their clients and with it the value of their offering to their clients.

                  If it's clear and laid out upfront and it fits your business plan/sales model then it isn't a problem what these restrictions are - If the terms are too restrictive either negotiate better terms or go elsewhere.

                  The key, and only real answer is to get proper clarification from the seller exactly what the terms are before making a purchase or agreeing to become a member. And if the seller lacks experience or isn't defining the terms properly or clearly you should seek clarification first before making a purchase. (And get it in writing)

                  Any site that is changing the terms month to month without consultation and prior agreement with the member(s) would be in my opinion be in breach of contract UNLESS in the original contract it was stated you joined in the knowledge that licence terms on subsequent products could vary.

                  To answer the original question "should there be any restrictions at all with PLR products?" I'd say yes - if the vendor/originator so chooses (and as long as their terms don't breach any laws) they should be able to specify whatever they want - People are free to either buy from them or not based on those terms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Perfect PLR Product

    Package contents

    Ebook 50 plus pages
    MP3 file for ebook
    Video presentation (powerpoint)
    pre written email series (5 emails)
    Graphics package and sales copy
    pre made splash/squeeze page
    banners 468x60, 125x125, 250x 250

    [yes]
    can give away 1 component of the package
    can sell complete package
    can sell MRR (example can build site with it and flip it)


    [No]
    cannot sell or giveaway source code
    can not give away anything in giveaways
    or ebay

    so lets play a game and add in your own yes and No's
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    I need really a kind help can anybody suggest where to get reliable PLR seller. Iam looking for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    damn did i wake you from a 100 years sleep there Simon hahaha

    I see the need to protect the source code, to stop its proliferation. But PLR to me means its mine to do what I want with the actual product itself.

    The You cant give it away nonsense irritates the crap out of me, even when its there from the start. I can make 100 times as much giving it away as most of the people whinging about keeping the price etc etc.

    Point is though dont call it PLR if your going to restrict how I can use the finished product.

    Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    This is what I think as a PLR provider.

    There are some providers who give unrestricted rights. They allow the source code to be passed on, and I know when I see someone here giving unrestricted rights, I will find the same product on a number of sites in a week being given away.

    If a provider wants to limit the product then they should consider restricted rights.

    If you buy PLR from me, you will always find that you can't pass the source code on.

    The problem that I have seen is this. I have downloaded some free PLR which has a folder in it, source code do not download.

    Because of that, I believe providers don't give rights to put it into a membership site or giveaway. It is the few who spoil it for the rest.

    People buy PLR and use it as is, and rather than read the rights, pass on the source code through the free giveaway.

    I have seen some people selling PLR where you are not allowed to claim copyright, and I agree with that if you sell the product as is. If you make the relevant changes, then why shouldn't you claim copyright.

    Good PLR will supply you with enough material to work with to make the product your own.

    Would I have a problem with a buyer who makes enough changes putting it into a giveaway? No. Would I put that on the rights, I am thinking about how to do that for those who are too lazy to read the rights and follow them.

    Would I change the rights in a membership site? Maybe, if it was needed, but I would ensure my members knew what the changes were and why, and expect to have feedback from them. That way action can be taken.

    If I sold PLR to someone, and the rights said NO to giveaway, and they wanted to put it into a giveaway, I would look at exactly what they wanted and why, and then issue a special licence to that person. That would happen if I knew they had made changes to the original product, and had no intention of passing on the source code.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
    As far as changing rights goes... this is what I believe to be the truth... but I may be wrong so don't hold me to it.

    A license can not be modified after 2 parties agree to the terms of that license... unless they stipulate in the original license that they reserve the right to modify the agreement with or without notice.

    Now for the PLR question. There are 2 types of PLR.

    Standard PLR and Un-Restricted PLR. Typically standard PLR is just something you can slap your name on and call it yours but you can't modify the contents of the material.

    Un-Restricted PLR pretty much means you can do whatever you want to do with it.

    Of course each of these types can contain their own restrictions on how and where you can sell it. Some may even put price restrictions on it like "must be sold for at least $17.00".

    Basically the same TOS you agree to on software you purchase is similar to these agreements. Only PLR agreements are much, much simpler and not so much in legal mumbo jumbo hereforto in the aforemention subsection of this here post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Bev

    Give me a quote for a PLR package based on my perfect PLR package post above
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    • Profile picture of the author DeePower
      Here are the definitions of rights I've used with the PLR I write and sell.

      Private Label Rights can include:

      [YES] Private use
      Learn from the materials but you can't do anything else with the content.

      [YES] Can be sold
      Sell the content as an ebook and keep the profit. Set up an affiliate program and your affiliates can sell the content as long as you remain in control of it. You have to provide the download link and collect the money and pay your affiliates. Or you can use a program such as Clickbank which collects the money and then pays you and the affiliate.

      [YES] Can be given away as an incentive

      Use the content as a freebie to motivate people to sign up for your list. Or just give it away.

      [YES] Can be packaged with other paid products

      If you have other materials on the same subject that you're selling, combine the content and sell it all together.

      [YES] Can be offered as a bonus with paid product

      Give the content as a bonus when you sell a product.

      [YES] Can Be submitted to article directories (follow their Terms of Service - TOS)
      If the article directory says the content has to be 100% written by you, or you have to have exclusive rights to the content, you can't submit PLR content. You can rewrite it to fit their TOS.

      [YES] Can be used as web content

      self explanatory

      [YES] Can be used as an e-course/autoresponder sequence
      Set it up as a series for your autoresponder or sell it as an e-course that's set up on an autoresponder.

      [YES] Can be used as blog posts

      Self explanatory

      [YES] Can be broken down into smaller articles

      Break the ebook or report into smaller chunks and use those as articles, web pages or blog posts.

      [YES] Can be combined to create longer articles
      Combine shorter articles into a longer article. Or combine a number of shorter articles into a report or ebook.

      [YES] Can be edited.
      You can change the content however you wish, as much, or as little, as you wish.

      [YES] Can have your name put on them
      Put your name on the material as the author.


      [YES] Can sell Resale Rights
      Selling the rights to resell the content. The person you sell resale rights to can then sell the content without paying you any additional money. But that person can't sell the rights to sell the content to anyone else. Resale rights don't mean you can change the content, add to it, edit it, or put your name on it, unless these other rights are granted as well.

      [YES] Can sell Master Resale Rights

      One step further than resale rights. The person can sell the rights to sell the content to anyone else and they can then resell the content and so forth.

      [YES] Can sell Private Label Rights

      Selling the private label rights to the material.


      [YES] Can be added to membership sites
      The material is added to a membership site. There are several different kinds of membership sites. And some writers differentiate the rights based on whether the membership is paid or free. Or whether the content is informational only (personal use) for the members or any rights can be passed on to the members.


      [YES] Can be offered through auction sites
      Can be sold or given away through an auction site.


      Dee
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      • Profile picture of the author AndyBeard
        I am a fan of unrestricted, even if that means the product (unmodified) might have a short lifespan.

        If you go to the trouble of modifying something extensively, there shouldn't be any restriction whatsoever on what you can do with it.

        I have purchased tons of PLR where I have disagreed with a lot of the content, had to totally change the writing style etc.
        You might then go to significant effort in marketing, without the ability to exploit the full potential of a product and its lifetime value.


        PLR Audio with an ebook - almost worthless, because if you change the book, you need to change the audio
        PLR Video - again seriously problematic if you need to make changes - powerpoint and suitable time encoded transcript would be worthwhile.

        Then there are the software problems, especially with anything PHP or WordPress related.

        Most themes and plugins are not coded sufficiently well to avoid tangling with GPL licensing - the idea of not giving source code to customers is in most cases ludicrous - yes you can protect source in some ways, but for most it is too complicated.


        If you allow me to post the PLR content on the web unprotected, it has to be unrestricted, as there is no way to control and police syndication, including images.
        Who knows, maybe I would want to publish under CC SA Attrib allowing Commercial work and derivatives.
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