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Unread 6th May 2013, 07:48 AM   #1
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Hey guys
So Empower Network is a pyramid scam...
I'm a member and I just figured it out. Bummer.

I've been a member since Nov12, but didn't actually do much with it until this last month. I went to the live event in Chicago, which was similar to a cult gathering, where people just idolize the few people at the top earning money. Some of them even cried on stage because they are so 'passionate' about helping people...

But I can't do it anymore. I can't promote a product I know is bogus.

I have the 25/month thing and the affiliate fee 19.95/month and I bought the 1000 dollar 15k Formula. I made 6 sales and build a list of like 1000 but all of my members quit after 1 month.

Even if I was making money with it I would still feel this way I think.

The problem with the whole system is people buy it, to learn how to sell it, so other people will buy it...

The products themselves I think are ok. I have learnt a lot from the 15k formula.

And I suppose 25/month for a blog, with hosting, banners, a squeeze page and sales video, along with the fact you can rebrand any link on their site to your personal affiliate link means you do get a lot of 'content'. Not saying it's a great deal but I suppose it's not too bad. Literally all you have to do is log in and blog. But what is the point?

I came back from the live event totally pumped thinking it was totally legit. I met some really nice people who are making money. I think a lot of people in Empower don't actually think about what they are doing they just get caught up in the hype and hypnotic sales speeches. They're not all bad people, they've just been sold the dream by some very good yet dubious marketers.

The other thing that will get them is David Wood put on his facebook wall a few months ago that they have 33% customers and 67% affiliates, and Im sure now it's probably a worse ratio. SO the sales force outnumbers the customers?!?!? Surely that's a bit dodgy?

Anyway that is my rant over.

At least I learnt a few lessons. Some of the training and motivational stuff they peddle is actually not bad and has some good actionable techniques but overall it's just recruiting more people to learn how to recruit more people etc

Thoughts? Any similar experiences?

Oh and EN members, I'm a huge 'wussie' most definitely not as 'bad-ass' as you...
Might eve post this on my EN blog and see what happens...

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Sounds like those Quixtar/Amway fanatics.

Man they're everywhere...

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At least your learning. Everyone at there own pace I guess.
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Sorry to hear that you spent so much time and money on something that didn't pan out. Don't feel bad. Most people have gotten into something we thought was legitimate, only to find out later that it wasn't.

Hopefully for the money you spent, there were some lessons learned (even if they were basic lessons).

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Well I am a Empower Network member and have completel trust in this business

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Hey guys
So Empower Network is a pyramid scam...
I'm a member and I just figured it out. Bummer.

I've been a member since Nov12, but didn't actually do much with it until this last month. I went to the live event in Chicago, which was similar to a cult gathering, where people just idolize the few people at the top earning money. Some of them even cried on stage because they are so 'passionate' about helping people...

But I can't do it anymore. I can't promote a product I know is bogus.

I have the 25/month thing and the affiliate fee 19.95/month and I bought the 1000 dollar 15k Formula. I made 6 sales and build a list of like 1000 but all of my members quit after 1 month.

Even if I was making money with it I would still feel this way I think.

The problem with the whole system is people buy it, to learn how to sell it, so other people will buy it...

The products themselves I think are ok. I have learnt a lot from the 15k formula.

And I suppose 25/month for a blog, with hosting, banners, a squeeze page and sales video, along with the fact you can rebrand any link on their site to your personal affiliate link means you do get a lot of 'content'. Not saying it's a great deal but I suppose it's not too bad. Literally all you have to do is log in and blog. But what is the point?

I came back from the live event totally pumped thinking it was totally legit. I met some really nice people who are making money. I think a lot of people in Empower don't actually think about what they are doing they just get caught up in the hype and hypnotic sales speeches. They're not all bad people, they've just been sold the dream by some very good yet dubious marketers.

The other thing that will get them is David Wood put on his facebook wall a few months ago that they have 33% customers and 67% affiliates, and Im sure now it's probably a worse ratio. SO the sales force outnumbers the customers?!?!? Surely that's a bit dodgy?

Anyway that is my rant over.

At least I learnt a few lessons. Some of the training and motivational stuff they peddle is actually not bad and has some good actionable techniques but overall it's just recruiting more people to learn how to recruit more people etc

Thoughts? Any similar experiences?

Oh and EN members, I'm a huge 'wussie' most definitely not as 'bad-ass' as you...
Might eve post this on my EN blog and see what happens...

Peace
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Thats what this business is about, Is learning and moving forward... If i was you i would start branding yourself instead of some sales system like EN...

Therefore once you brand yourself with your own blog and your own products promoting you and not EN Products then you will be just fine...
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pick yourself up, dust yourself off, you'll be o.k. there's a lot of good oppurtunities out there, stick with the forum.

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Thats what this business is about, Is learning and moving forward... If i was you i would start branding yourself instead of some sales system like EN...

Therefore once you brand yourself with your own blog and your own products promoting you and not EN Products then you will be just fine...
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Joins Empower, makes sales "This is great!"

Has no leadership skills so his team quit because he didn't help them "Man, this Empower network sucks..."
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The Empower Network was mentioned in a previous thread and I said then that MLM - in whatever guise - is a mugs game. People at the mid to tail end of these schemes are the one's who suffer and anyone with an ounce of integrity and common sense will steer well clear. Unfortunately, greed is a potent persuader.


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Well I am a Empower Network member and have completel trust in this business
^^^ The typical, blinkered fool that these schemes attract ^^^
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The Empower Network was mentioned in a previous thread and I said then that MLM - in whatever guise - is a mugs game. People at the mid to tail end of these schemes are the one's who suffer and anyone with an ounce of integrity and common sense will steer well clear. Unfortunately, greed is a potent persuader.




^^^ The typical, blinkered fool that these schemes attract ^^^
I don't know much about the Empower Network, but I will say this; people fail in MLM not because it's a scam, but because most people who get involved in MLM have no business experience and seem to think that they can make millions overnight. Kinda like IM.

It's not MLM that's the scam. Many people have made great livings with MLM companies. The problem comes from lack of business knowledge and training.
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I don't know much about the Empower Network, but I will say this; people fail in MLM not because it's a scam, but because most people who get involved in MLM have no business experience and seem to think that they can make millions overnight. Kinda like IM.

It's not MLM that's the scam. Many people have made great livings with MLM companies. The problem comes from lack of business knowledge and training.
MLM, Ponzi schemes, pyramid selling, scams . . . call it what you want. They are all wholly unethical and business's in which the end user is guaranteed to fail.

I agree when you say the majority of people who get involved in MLM have no business experience and dream of making a fortune overnight, but that's simply deflecting the issue. And no, it's not "kinda like IM". An IM business can run eternally with the right product. My own products have been selling consistently well for over 12 years, and they will still be as relevant in 50 years time. MLM is finite. It has to come to an end when there's no further market to market to. So it's a scam. Sure, plenty of people have made great livings from MLM schemes, usually those at the very top or upper levels who ultimately make a killing off the misery of those on the mid to bottom levels.

The unfortunate and sad fact is that MLM schemes and the like - even if the law prohibits them - will still keep springing up under different names/guises because the long queue of thick fools who join them IS infinite.
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MLM, Ponzi schemes, pyramid selling, scams . . . call it what you want. They are all wholly unethical and business's in which the end user is guaranteed to fail.

I agree when you say the majority of people who get involved in MLM have no business experience and dream of making a fortune overnight, but that's simply deflecting the issue. And no, it's not "kinda like IM". An IM business can run eternally with the right product. My own products have been selling consistently well for over 12 years, and they will still be as relevant in 50 years time. MLM is finite. It has to come to an end when there's no further market to market to. So it's a scam. Sure, plenty of people have made great livings from MLM schemes, usually those at the very top or upper levels who ultimately make a killing off the misery of those on the mid to bottom levels.

The unfortunate and sad fact is that MLM schemes and the like - even if the law prohibits them - will still keep springing up under different names/guises because the long queue of thick fools who join them IS infinite.
And thats why Empower isn't MLM or a scam (you answered yourself..).

They sell products and services.

The entry level product is a blog - people will always need blogs/hosting/websites etc.

The remainder of the products are training videos/materials. People will ALWAYS buy info products.

The training teaches how to build your OWN business which can be then used alongside Empower.

You get 100% commissions and the payments go to YOUR e-wallet, it's exactly the same as owning your own business WITHOUT needing to create a product, hire a copywriter, lawyer and so on.

Empower is a "IM Business" so according to your post it can"run eternally" because they provide the "right products" just like you claim too.

You do NOT need to be an affiliate OR sell the system. Many people buy it for the blog/training ALONE (which is the product they offer)
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And thats why Empower isn't MLM or a scam (you answered yourself..).

They sell products and services.

The entry level product is a blog - people will always need blogs/hosting/websites etc.

The remainder of the products are training videos/materials. People will ALWAYS buy info products.

The training teaches how to build your OWN business which can be then used alongside Empower.

You get 100% commissions and the payments go to YOUR e-wallet, it's exactly the same as owning your own business WITHOUT needing to create a product, hire a copywriter, lawyer and so on.

Empower is a "IM Business" so according to your post it can"run eternally" because they provide the "right products" just like you claim too.

You do NOT need to be an affiliate OR sell the system. Many people buy it for the blog/training ALONE (which is the product they offer)
For a self-professed YouTube expert you seem to know an awful lot about Empower. You, or the Empower Network, can dress it up in whatever clothes you like but it's still a MLM type of scam.

As for any newbies who may wander on to this thread and read your Empower defence stance, I'd just recommend them to Google "Empower scam", scroll through the countless pages and sites, then make their own minds up.
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Never got into empower network because I heard too many negative reviews about it and also read threads like this one...

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The training teaches how to build your OWN business which can be then used alongside Empower.
So I'm assuming that you have unleashed your inner "BadAss" and you don't consider yourself a "Wussy".

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I wish I had the energy to debate this, but I don't at the moment. The only truth to the matter is that EN members will defend the network tooth and nail.

You can break the EN down by all the charges they do and who they promote their 5 products too.

I would suggest people look at ripoffreports and see for themselves.

I myself run a G+ Community on IM and have to deal with EN,socialmediabar, ProsperityGroup, and other aliases they use on a daily basis.

There is a reason why FB and others ban their links with good reasons.

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For a self-professed YouTube expert you seem to know an awful lot about Empower. You, or the Empower Network, can dress it up in whatever clothes you like but it's still a MLM type of scam.
What does being a "self-professed YouTube expert" have to do with me knowing a lot about Empower?

It's called research. I've researched most available products online (in this space), I know a lot about all of them, whats your point?

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So is a job, now thats actually a very nicely dressed up "MLM pyramid scheme". The low end worker at the bottom earns 99% less than the top CEO and so on, whats your point?

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As for any newbies who may wander on to this thread and read your Empower defence stance, I'd just recommend them to Google "Empower scam", scroll through the countless pages and sites, then make their own minds up.
You can do this for ANY product (online or offline) so again, whats your point? No matter how good the product/service/WHATEVER it is you offer, someone will ALWAYS be unhappy.
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Most of us get sucked in to something like that, so don't feel bad. I did Amway, and Herbalife which sells a very good product my wife still takes. But we don't sell any of that stuff any more or coerce others to the dreams of making others rich so we can roil in the fields.

The theory is good, but the practice never works out right.

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I joined EN and quit after one month. The compensation plan is similar to an MLM model. I was involved in a few MLMs years ago and decided that the business model and the hype was not for me anymore. If you join just be aware that after your initial $25 per month membership fee you are going to get hit hard with upsells. I didn't appreciate being refered to as a "WOOSE" for not "Getting All In" at $1,650.

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You learned from your mistakes and you have a great trait which is integrity.

Forgot about this stuff and move on to other more legit ways of making money.

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