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..try private messaging them first before you delete it


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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
      it's my blog though, what's the point of having a blog if it gets censored?
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by Paul Alden View Post

        it's my blog though, what's the point of having a blog if it gets censored?
        It's NOT your blog! It's the Warrior Forum's blog, therefore it's Allen Says blog. You have no RIGHTS here. You don't own ANYTHING on this forum.

        You need to understand that you have the privilege of being here. It's not a right, and if they don't like what you post on a thread, post or blog, they have every right to get rid of it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
          Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

          It's NOT your blog! It's the Warrior Forum's blog, therefore it's Allen Says blog. You have no RIGHTS here. You don't own ANYTHING on this forum.

          You need to understand that you have the privilege of being here. It's not a right, and if they don't like what you post on a thread, post or blog, they have every right to get rid of it.
          You need to get a grip brother
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          • Profile picture of the author scrofford
            Originally Posted by Paul Alden View Post

            You need to get a grip brother
            No I don't need to get a grip. You need to understand that nothing on the WF is your property. Too many people come on here thinking they have some kind of right to post whatever they want, and then have a hernia when their stuff is deleted.

            It's just like anywhere else; if you don't own it, you have to follow the rules. I don't know how many people I've seen here have a fit because the mods deleted their posts or threads or blogs and they have attitude because they think they have a right to do what they want.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
              Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

              No I don't need to get a grip. You need to understand that nothing on the WF is your property. Too many people come on here thinking they have some kind of right to post whatever they want, and then have a hernia when their stuff is deleted.

              It's just like anywhere else; if you don't own it, you have to follow the rules. I don't know how many people I've seen here have a fit because the mods deleted their posts or threads or blogs and they have attitude because they think they have a right to do what they want.
              You need to follow protocol and actually "read the thread" before you begin stirring trouble, this has been dealt with already. Why would you come here and start yelling at me even though I've already been gracious and acquiescent?

              Puzzling is it not..scrofford?
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
                "A buddy of mine was in the 82nd, and got to go to Panama. From the way he describes it, his unit was dropped off in the jungle and picked up a few days later. Sounds like you did not miss anything.

                The real fun started in late 1990.

                But anyway - thank you for your service to this great nation."

                (from your page)


                Thank you for your service in the military ftr..but it would seem you're the only one having "a hernia"
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              • Profile picture of the author scrofford
                Originally Posted by Paul Alden View Post

                You need to follow protocol and actually "read the thread" before you begin stirring trouble, this has been dealt with already. Why would you come here and start yelling at me even though I've already been gracious and acquiescent?

                Puzzling is it not..scrofford?
                Wasn't stirring trouble. Read your first OP and then replied, then read your reply and replied. If you don't like it then maybe you shouldn't start threads like this complaining about something that isn't yours to complain about. Just sayin...
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
                  Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

                  Wasn't stirring trouble. Read your first OP and then replied, then read your reply and replied. If you don't like it then maybe you shouldn't start threads like this complaining about something that isn't yours to complain about. Just sayin...
                  ..keepin it real is my MO, can't help it.

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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Looks to me like you still have a blog.

      Here's the deal ...

      A lot have come into the forum solely for the purpose of spamming. A lot ... meaning thousands. The mods do not have the time to spend an hour arguing with every new spammer about each post they make. It is often futile in any event. Spammers have an unlimited number of excuses.

      But, after you've been here a while, contributed to the forum, if there is a question with a post you're more likely to get a discussion about it.

      No one is perfect: not people posting and not the mods. But for the forum to work the mods get the final say and you are not entitled to publicly call them out.

      Example: I once made a post and a mod deleted it from the main forum and moved it into the off-topic forum. The owner of the forum made a post wondering why I had posted it in the off topic section. Ya know what? The thread stayed in the off topic forum and no one complained about moderation - not publicly and not privately, because moderators necessarily have a lot of discretion.

      Due to MASSIVE numbers of spam blog posts about the Empower Network, they are not allowed.

      Anyway, welcome to the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
        Don't the blogs stay on my profile or are they disseminated someplace?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Paul Alden View Post

          Don't the blogs stay on my profile or are they disseminated someplace?
          They're still hosted within "warriorforum.com", and the owners/admins/moderators of warriorforum.com naturally enough get to decide what's allowed here, just as you do on a website you own and I do on a website I own. It isn't really a whole lot more complicated than that. And welcome.
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          If you are making valuable blog posts others will subscribe to your blog. This means they get an email notification when you make a new post.

          Tip: It is a way to create your own "list" without having to pay for an autoresponder / email service.

          Otherwise, for distribution I do not believe there is an RSS feed for the blog. Blog entries, though, are quickly indexed by Google.

          You will want to periodically check your blog for comments if you are moderating them. I have not seen an option to be notified when a new comment is posted waiting to be moderated.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
    ..hmmm.

    okay.

    Thanks for the welcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    You have full control of your blogs if you post it on your website. However, posting on other sites especially forums like this, you can't just post anything you want. When you become a member of a certain community, certain rules should be followed to control the quality of the site otherwise, it would be used mainly for self-promotion and the site will lose its purpose. Even if your intentions were good, necessary actions should still be taken to keep everything everything in place and to keep things under in control. Don't take it personal, the moderators surely have nothing against you.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    I've had a couple of blog posts deleted. I don't mind, it's up to operators of this forum to decide what they want to host.

    The issue i suppose is I don't really know where the line for deletion is. Are there specific rules some place?

    It's not that I want to post ads, but a serious blog post is nearly always going to mention what I've been doing, which is inevitably contains a degree of self promotion. If that kind if blog post has a decent chance of being deleted, I just won't post it here. I can always post to my own domains instead.

    So I guess the question is where are the blog rules located?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Paul,
      it's my blog though, what's the point of having a blog if it gets censored?
      I love that word. It's so emotionally charged, and so totally inappropriate to the circumstance.

      This is why we don't usually explain deletions. People argue, and turn it into an ongoing debate. There is simply not enough time in anyone's day for all the discussions, debates, and diatribes that would ensue.

      I don't know what was done regarding your blog. I do know that I PM'd you, asking you not to post articles in the discussion sections and not to post other people's content at all. So, you have demonstrated intent to use the forum in inappropriate ways to self-promote.

      As far as "censorship" - I am not aware of any discussion forum that doesn't impose topical limitations. The question isn't "should you draw lines," but rather, "where do you draw them?" The answer to that will, rightfully, be different for every forum. And it can change to better fit current conditions and new problems or opportunities.

      What's really funny about this is the way people try to impose a different set of rules online than they would in a brick and mortar business. If a restaurant has a "No Smoking" sign at the door, do you scream at the waiter when he reminds you of the policy when you light up?

      If someone in a bar makes a racist comment at another patron, do you attack the owner for asking that person to leave?

      If you own a gym and join another gym to try and recruit their customers away, is your competitor wrong for revoking your membership and kicking you out?


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      • Profile picture of the author AndyCole1971
        Host your own blog. That way you can kick, scream and swear all you like and you only have to answer to yourself!
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Here is some information I received from the blog moderator earlier this year on a couple topics mentioned in this thread. Except for the subject headings, which are mine, I am quoting the moderator:


          Empower Spam

          Almost 50 to 75% of the entries are spam for empowernetwork, other mlm programs and plenty of other rubbish which is either blatant spam or advertisements for affiliate products.


          Blog Content Rules

          All forum rules stand for the main blog section too.

          Here is how I interpret them. This is from the main forum.
          If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain.
          Your own web site. Not a "pre-made" web site.
          Your own web site, a real one.

          5) No Affiliate Links Allowed - Promote Your Own Domain/s Only.

          Rules in regards to creating your own blog here..

          1. Please don't make it one big advertisement.

          2. All Blogs MUST Stay On The Topic Of Making Money, Business, Finance..etc

          IMPORTANT UPDATE: The Warrior Forum Is Not Associated With ANY Of The Services Like Warrior+, JvZoo and Others.
          These are services people started up on their own and the fact that they exist does not imply we endorse them in any way.
          These services are totally separate from the Warrior Forum.

          Additional notes :

          Review Style blogs are not allowed because usually they are promoting a product by an affiliate and come under the classification of an "AD".

          War Room Rules also applied to blog entries.
          No more posts requiring an opt-in will be accepted.

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          • Profile picture of the author AndyCole1971
            50-75% of spam is Empower Network?

            Wow, just goes to show how many people jumped aboard that ship!
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Andy,
              50-75% of spam is Empower Network?
              That's in the blogs, and included other MLM-type stuff, I believe. There's a good chance that 50-75% comes from 1-3% of the people posting to blogs here.

              Online MLMers, especially in programs like EN, tend to be very active and aggressive about their "promotions." And they often show absolutely no regard for the context in which they push their offers.

              As an example, one fellow was repeatedly warned about posting EN-related stuff in the discussion areas, and told not to put links to EN-related offers in his signature. He argued and persisted. He got banned for a week.

              Came back and started all over. When he was reminded, he argued more and posted even more frequently and blatantly about it. Another ban, this time for a month. That ban expired yesterday, and he roared right back in with a new EN-related signature and direct ads.

              This is not an uncommon level of obliviocy among some people when they get an MLM under their skin. The lower the work-to-reward ratio the program promises, the higher the noise level it generates.


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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Andy,That's in the blogs, and included other MLM-type stuff, I believe. There's a good chance that 50-75% comes from 1-3% of the people posting to blogs here.

                Online MLMers, especially in programs like EN, tend to be very active and aggressive about their "promotions." And they often show absolutely no regard for the context in which they push their offers.

                As an example, one fellow was repeatedly warned about posting EN-related stuff in the discussion areas, and told not to put links to EN-related offers in his signature. He argued and persisted. He got banned for a week.

                Came back and started all over. When he was reminded, he argued more and posted even more frequently and blatantly about it. Another ban, this time for a month. That ban expired yesterday, and he roared right back in with a new EN-related signature and direct ads.

                This is not an uncommon level of obliviocy among some people when they get an MLM under their skin. The lower the work-to-reward ratio the program promises, the higher the noise level it generates.


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              • Profile picture of the author AndyCole1971
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Andy,That's in the blogs, and included other MLM-type stuff, I believe. There's a good chance that 50-75% comes from 1-3% of the people posting to blogs here.

                Online MLMers, especially in programs like EN, tend to be very active and aggressive about their "promotions." And they often show absolutely no regard for the context in which they push their offers.

                As an example, one fellow was repeatedly warned about posting EN-related stuff in the discussion areas, and told not to put links to EN-related offers in his signature. He argued and persisted. He got banned for a week.

                Came back and started all over. When he was reminded, he argued more and posted even more frequently and blatantly about it. Another ban, this time for a month. That ban expired yesterday, and he roared right back in with a new EN-related signature and direct ads.

                This is not an uncommon level of obliviocy among some people when they get an MLM under their skin. The lower the work-to-reward ratio the program promises, the higher the noise level it generates.


                Paul
                Wow, aggressively persistent! I'm technically in the same line of business but I've never marketed that way and never will do. I'm am reaching the point where I feel my efforts deserve more money though. I need to monetize my site better. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
    I don't remember kicking and screaming at anybody, just keepin it real...Andy

    Paul, yes, since this is a "marketers forum" I may have gotten things a bit turned around in my head. There's a lot to take in here. That said, I've never had anybody delete a blog post before so you'll have to excuse my ignorance of the subject on both counts.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    Thanks kndsvater,

    For the record, the two blog posts I had deleted were one about my kindle book being free for a while in kdp, and one about an addendum to the clickbank client contract I had signed and the product had been able to create as a result.

    Of course they are self promotional to a significant degree, but I didn't feel they were off topic, spam, or inappropriate.

    So I'm left in the odd situation where I don't feel confident that a blog post on warriors about what I am actually doing business wise would survive moderation. So my serious posts go elsewhere, and I'd only post trivia or tangental stuff on my warrior blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
      Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

      Thanks kndsvater,

      For the record, the two blog posts I had deleted were one about my kindle book being free for a while in kdp, and one about an addendum to the clickbank client contract I had signed and the product had been able to create as a result.

      Of course they are self promotional to a significant degree, but I didn't feel they were off topic, spam, or inappropriate.

      So I'm left in the odd situation where I don't feel confident that a blog post on warriors about what I am actually doing business wise would survive moderation. So my serious posts go elsewhere, and I'd only post trivia or tangental stuff on my warrior blog.

      ..hmmm it seems some type of policy manual would be in order.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Sunil,

      As far as the Kindle giveaway... an ad is an ad. Not that all ads are disallowed here, but that clearly falls into the "ad" realm.

      That's why we created the thread for free kindle giveaways. That's the sort of ad that should be allowed, but needs to be constrained just enough to make sure it doesn't end up generating a ton of threads cluttering up the discussion sections.

      We try to give people as much room to promote as is consistent with maintaining the usefulness of the forum.

      I couldn't comment on the other post without seeing it. If you want to PM me a copy, I could hazard a guess for you. It would be an educated guess, but still...


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      • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
        Water under the bridge paul. I'm not worried about the past. Don't waste time going over it.

        I just want to know going forward what is and isnt allowed.

        I'm talking about blog posts only btw. I think the rules for forum posts are clear enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
          Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

          Water under the bridge paul. I'm not worried about the past. Don't waste time going over it.

          I just want to know going forward what is and isnt allowed.

          I'm talking about blog posts only btw. I think the rules for forum posts are clear enough.
          Yes the forum rules are clear, concise and most assuredly appreciated..the blogging thing kinda bugged me initially; but if it's going to somehow affect the quality of the site, there ARE way too many spammers out there, Empower Network included.

          :/
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Sunil,
            I just want to know going forward what is and isnt allowed.
            Fair enough.

            The ones Brian quoted above pretty much cover it. The only really grey area tends to be the one you fell afoul of. Sadly, there's no real objective measure of "self-promotional," especially when some degree of it is allowed. That's clearly the case in the blogs.

            We run into a similar problem with signatures. Some folks are hard-core about it to the point of diminishing returns. They will report any post which relates in any way to the content of the poster's sig. That is, of course, silly. People tend to offer products and services which relate to what they know/do best. Those are the same things they tend to include in their sig files.

            Telling them they can't talk about what they know best, and are in the position to offer useful help with, is hardly sensible.

            On the flip side, letting folks post articles, repetitive nonsense, or vague comments just for signature exposure is also destructive. So, it becomes a judgement call. And no-one will ever get those right every time. Certainly not to where everyone agrees on it.

            The blog moderator is pretty consistent. Because of that, the rest of us tend to stay out of there unless specifically asked for advice. That makes it a matter of getting the feel for the acceptable tone, type, and level of self-promotion.

            I wish I could give you a concrete answer, but there just isn't one. Nature of the beast.


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            • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer
              OK,

              Just to be clear here, the reason that blog posting was deleted.

              One of the pictures on the blog post had a hidden link in it.

              http://www.empowernetwork.com/maketing101/blog/5-keys-to-skyrocket-your-success-step-2/imagessfg/?id=maketing101
              Most of the general rules are applied to the blog section in order to keep it clean. You wouldn't believe the rubbish that is posted there some days.

              No affiliate links
              No forced sign ups
              All blogs that are nothing but a test or an ad will be deleted.
              If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.
              If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain. Your own web site. Not a "pre-made" web site. Your own web site, a real one

              All Blogs MUST Stay On The Topic Of Making Money, Business, Finance..etc

              The Warrior Forum is about making money and we can't have blogs about cooking, weight loss and hairless dogs...etc.


              I do my best to keep the blog section healthy and generally apply all of the above. Most of the time I do leave a reason as to why and quote the affiliate id I found too.

              So if you are going to hide links don't bother. Promote your own sites only. Ones that You Own.

              Hope that helps.
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              • Profile picture of the author rowbot
                Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

                Just to be clear here, the reason that blog posting was deleted.

                One of the pictures on the blog post had a hidden link in it.
                Gee, you'd think he'd be able to figure that one out without starting a topic about it. Thank you for clearing the question up.
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
                  Originally Posted by rowbot View Post

                  Gee, you'd think he'd be able to figure that one out without starting a topic about it. Thank you for clearing the question up.
                  Sorry I'm not as familiar with some of the tech aspects as you are, maybe you can private message me your opinions.

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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
                Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

                OK,

                Just to be clear here, the reason that blog posting was deleted.

                One of the pictures on the blog post had a hidden link in it.



                Most of the general rules are applied to the blog section in order to keep it clean. You wouldn't believe the rubbish that is posted there some days.

                No affiliate links
                No forced sign ups
                All blogs that are nothing but a test or an ad will be deleted.
                If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.
                If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain. Your own web site. Not a "pre-made" web site. Your own web site, a real one

                All Blogs MUST Stay On The Topic Of Making Money, Business, Finance..etc

                The Warrior Forum is about making money and we can't have blogs about cooking, weight loss and hairless dogs...etc.


                I do my best to keep the blog section healthy and generally apply all of the above. Most of the time I do leave a reason as to why and quote the affiliate id I found too.

                So if you are going to hide links don't bother. Promote your own sites only. Ones that You Own.

                Hope that helps.
                ..hmmm looks as if we'd cleared it up but thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trev81
    Haha guys that is funny about the EN. I have gotten spam texts and emails from someone about 50km from where I am living about this empower thing. I was wondering where they got my details as it is my own private email address which few have. Too funny tho. Seems like they are spamming the world and its mother.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
      When something works people get excited, it's the spammers and the naysayers that discourage innovation and progress.
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  • Profile picture of the author roblawrence
    Why not start an outside blog on blogger.com or wordpress.com? Both are free.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
      Originally Posted by roblawrence View Post

      Why not start an outside blog on blogger.com or wordpress.com? Both are free.
      I've got several, I was referred here by a friend
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    In this forum you will have to learn to let things go... i.e. it is not required that you reply to each post, especially in a thread that lives only thanks to Paul's* sometimes twisted sense of humour applied to teaching new members WF rules
    Ask him about the rope...

    Normally, threads complaining about deleted stuff disappear without a trace.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Alden
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      In this forum you will have to learn to let things go... i.e. it is not required that you reply to each post, especially in a thread that lives only thanks to Paul's* sometimes twisted sense of humour applied to teaching new members WF rules
      Ask him about the rope...

      Normally, threads complaining about deleted stuff disappear without a trace.

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      It's most likely educational more than anything else, that can only happen if everyone engaged in the discussion is willing to participate in respectful dialog with an honest regard for each others opinions, mindset is everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      In this forum you will have to learn to let things go...
      That's only true for others.

      The ego of the self is always going to relentlessly broadcast its vast entitlement through elaborate and whimsical dances in public display.

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    wait a minute.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Paul,
      wait a minute.
      Hey... What the hell is that about? Handling sarcasm and hostility with grace and humor?

      We will have none of that, sir!

      In Steve's defense, he made the safe bet. Very few people who post anything like what you started this thread with end up doing anything but making a noose with the rope they're given.

      That's what Istvan was referring to, by the way. I subscribe to the notion that it's best to give people as much rope as they need, and let them decide whether to make a noose or a ladder of it. As it turns out, you climbed out of the hole before it got nearly deep enough to require the choice.

      An uncommon response indeed. Thank you for that.


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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    You need to follow protocol and actually "read the thread" before you begin stirring trouble, this has been dealt with already.
    This is NOT a rule. As members we can post in any (appropriate) way we choose. If you don't like that then don't start threads.

    Why would you come here and start yelling at me even though I've already been gracious and acquiescent?
    You're lucky some other members haven't seen this, they would blast you unmercifully. scrofford was being gentle by comparison.

    Thanks to Paul Myers for letting this go, it has been very informative and interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      This is NOT a rule.
      No, it's not. It is, however, a long-standing convention in online discussion, and an excellent way to avoid stretching out a thread pointlessly, confusing new participants, and looking generally rude and/or silly.


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