I Know Curiosity Killed The Cat But Satisfaction Brought Him Back!

Profile picture of the author MissTerraK by MissTerraK Posted: 06/03/2013
Okay, as you can probably tell, I'm very curious.

What I am pondering on this morning is why so many Warriors when asked about outsourcing work, whatever the service may be, make suggestions offsite rather than suggesting fellow Warriors? I see places like Fiverr, O-desk, Elance, etc.

I have found the community here to be quite talented and creative and well, the thing about communities is that they are an entity onto themselves made up of citizens that aid one another, stick together and cater to one another. After all, it is the people of a community that make it great or not so much.

If I am asked and know of someone who is talented in that arena, I don't hesitate to recommend a Warrior, at all. It also truly warms my heart when I see someone else recommend to check out the Warriors For Hire Section, Classified Ads, a link to a WSO or a link to a fellow Warrior's profile page where they can find that Warrior's signature and/or home page.

So, for those of you that recommend services offsite or other people who are not Warriors, why do you do that?

Again, just curious.

Terra
#curiosity #freelancing services #personal referrals #recomendations #satisfaction

  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Steve B
    My guess is, you can hire an outsourcer from Asia, India, and other places for a fraction of what someone in the U.S. will charge. Not always, of course, but as a general rule.

    Steve
  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
    Horny Devil
    It's largely newbies who recommend sources other than WF, or those who haven't yet availed themselves of the wide range of services that can be provided by numerous experienced, and first-rate warriors. Unlike the veterans on here.
  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    Patrick
    Even if someone recommends you, how can you be so sure that he/she is good at what he/she does ? heh

    If he/she was good at it, then they won't have the time to look for work here in the warrior forum

    If I tell you that I will help you, you won't probably believe me, coz you don't know me and no one "recommended" me to you.
  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    George Wright
    Gee, I don't know Terra. I'll have my fiverr guy run a poll on that and my odesk VA will PM you with an answer ASAP.

    GEORGE WRIGHT
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by Patrick View Post

    Even if someone recommends you, how can you be so sure that he/she is good at what he/she does ? heh

    If he/she was good at it, then they won't have the time to look for work here in the warrior forum

    If I tell you that I will help you, you won't probably believe me, coz you don't know me and no one "recommended" me to you.
    If you'll notice, Patrick, I did say if you know of someone who is good/talented in that arena, personally recommend them. If not, you could recommend the WFH section or Classified section where they can search, see comments and work samples to make their own determination. Naturally, you wouldn't refer some random person not knowing their talent or work ethic as that certainly would reflect on your own reputation as well.

    I refer people I have worked with in the past, or people whose work I have seen and judge to be excellent.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

    Gee, I don't know Terra. I'll have my fiverr guy run a poll on that and my odesk VA will PM you with an answer ASAP.

    GEORGE WRIGHT
    Haha George!

    Thank you so very much, but please don't waste your time, as I'm not interested in their opinion.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    Patrick
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    If you'll notice, Patrick, I did say if you know of someone who is good/talented in that arena, personally recommend them. If not, you could recommend the WFH section or Classified section where they can search, see comments and work samples to make their own determination. Naturally, you wouldn't refer some random person not knowing their talent or work ethic as that certainly would reflect on your own reputation as well.

    I refer people I have worked with in the past, or people whose work I have seen and judge to be excellent.

    Terra

    You didn't get the point I was making.

    Last week a client of mine recommended me to someone. I did the work for her and then I saw that she disappeared. I don't really care also coz I don't want to spoil the relationship with my client (both of them are woman so I don't want to argue also). So all this recommending is good but you should be careful about who you are hiring or paying money to do your work, is what I meant to say.

    What are you looking for ? I won't recommend anyone here, coz I personally don't know anyone here. If you are looking for anything related to web development, I will do it for you. Just like I helped this guy here fix his site right now in 5 mins.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/website-...-php-help.html

    And just to point out that I am not promoting my services, I will do it for free. But I need to know what you want to do, if it is related to web development.
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by Patrick View Post

    You didn't get the point I was making.

    Last week a client of mine recommended me to someone. I did the work for her and then I saw that she disappeared. I don't really care also coz I don't want to spoil the relationship with my client (both of them are woman so I don't want to argue also). So all this recommending is good but you should be careful about who you are hiring or paying money to do your work, is what I meant to say.

    What are you looking for ? I won't recommend anyone here, coz I personally don't know anyone here. If you are looking for anything related to web development, I will do it for you...

    And just to point out that I am not promoting my services, I will do it for free. But I need to know what you want to do, if it is related to web development.
    Aww, how very sweet of you Patrick!

    I appreciate your offer, but I am not looking for anything right now other than wanting to know why some Warriors recommend offsite for services rather than from our community.

    Oh, and to help ensure that a client doesn't disappear on you again after delivering work, ask for payment upfront or at least 50% of it. You can just let them know that it is your policy and doesn't reflect on them at all if you think your potential client/clients would be uncomfortable with it.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    Patrick
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Oh, and to help ensure that a client doesn't disappear on you again after delivering work, ask for payment upfront or at least 50% of it. You can just let them know that it is your policy and doesn't reflect on them at all if you think your potential client/clients would be uncomfortable with it.

    Terra
    I don't really care for that disappearing client, coz the person who recommended me gives me a lot of work every week. So even if I do one work for her for free just to make her friend happy, it's alright with me.

    About that 50% theory, that's one of the reasons why people recommend to Odesk or freelancer.com, coz a lot of people are hesitant to pay the advance since they really don't know who they are dealing with and if they are going to deliver to you what you want.

    In Odesk or freelancer.com, or any freelance site you have the option of escrow, where the amount stays in between the employer and employee, and then when the employee finishes the work, the employer can release the payment. This way your money is safe also.

    If you work outside them, you have to pay through paypal or some other direct payment, so if the person disappears, there is nothing you can do.
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Patrick,

    I'm glad to hear that it doesn't bother you that you ended up doing a freebie.

    See, that's the thing with personal referrals or recommendations, you have the word of a trusted friend of their honesty and need not worry about being ripped off.

    I personally would have a problem with a client who was only concerned with their own financial well being. How much more fair can you be than 50/50?

    As for me personally, I always ask for payment first, but offer a 100% refund if not satisfied and I've never been asked for one to date.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    George Wright
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Haha George!

    Thank you so very much, but please don't waste your time, as I'm not interested in their opinion.

    Terra
    Terra,

    My fiverr guy and my odesk VA are both Warriors!

    George Wright
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

    Terra,

    My fiverr guy and my odesk VA are both Warriors!

    George Wright
    Oh, well that kind of changes things a bit now doesn't it?

    So, what do they say?

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    George Wright
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Oh, well that kind of changes things a bit now doesn't it?

    So, what do they say?

    Terra
    They said I should stop hijacking your thread with my silly self.

    George Wright
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

    They said I should stop hijacking your thread with my silly self.

    George Wright
    LOL! I like them already!

    Seriously, though, it is quite alright as all of those that do recommend offsite seem to be a bit apprehensive in responding here. I didn't know I was that scary!

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    laurencewins
    As for me personally, I always ask for payment first, but offer a 100% refund if not satisfied and I've never been asked for one to date.
    I work with this philosophy as well and have never had to offer a refund.

    I agree that it is curious why people don't suggest the forum as a means of outsourcing but I think it may simply be that they don't understand how it works and/or have never used it themselves.

    If he/she was good at it, then they won't have the time to look for work here in the warrior forum
    Patrick...I am good at what I do BUT there isn't ALWAYS sufficient work which is why I advertise my services. Most professionals do the same thing because you have to constantly be marketing to keep the money flowing in.
  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    JohnMcCabe
    Back in the days when "computer" meant a big mainframe with its own facility and staff of servants, and dinosaurs roamed free, there was a popular saying among purchasing agents...

    "No one ever got fired for recommending IBM."

    For many, who likely have never actually outsourced anything but still want to at least appear helpful, recommending a site like oDesk, Fiverr and the like is a 'safe' recommendation.
  • Profile picture of the author briankno
    briankno
    I like odesk platforms because of the easy of payment and ability to see what your outsourcer is working on. I feel I have more security using that platform. Then again I haven't really outsourced much on WF. Anyone else with some experience and tips to help protect yourself from fraudulent people?
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    John,

    I love it! "Back in the days when...dinosaurs roamed free" Ha!

    You made me laugh.

    Okay, now that I've got the giggles out out of my system, I think what you say makes a lot of sense. If you think about it, that is their way of feeling like part of the community and shows they like the community and want to participate in it. Perhaps down the road they, in time, may recommend Warriors too.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
    Horny Devil
    Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

    I am good at what I do BUT there isn't ALWAYS sufficient work which is why I advertise my services. Most professionals do the same thing because you have to constantly be marketing to keep the money flowing in.
    Nothing personal Laurence but it always rankles with me when I see the same old excuses churned out by so called top quality writers. It's the usual spiel; their websites, blogs, and signature links praising themselves up to the hilt, yet they're struggling for work. Why is that? You shouldn't need to advertise and you shouldn't need to be constantly marketing yourself. Don't you find it strange that a writer being SO good can't get adequate work, and furthermore undersells himself on prices? I do.

    Before the perennial sympathisers and whingers start piling into the thread with their usual defence lines of: too much competition, undercutting of prices by writers in India, etc, being strangled by places like Fiverr and Odesk, etc, every man and his dog is offering writing services, and so on . . . let me educate them a little.

    1. None of the above is competition. Mediocre, poor, and average writers only serve to illustrate the benefits of engaging a top quality writer.

    2. There is more demand now for the cream of the writing industry than at any time past.

    I regularly turn away up to a dozen or more assignment offers A WEEK, and the bulk of these are paying £200+ per 1,000 words. The reason why? . . . I'm far too busy with my own writing, projects, websites, books, videos, blog articles, etc, to find the time. I maybe take on a handful of writing assignments a year and they have to be extremely challenging to even begin to whet my appetite.

    So where are writers going wrong?

    I provided my answer to this in a recent thread by another disillusioned, underpaid writer. And you, Laurence, "thanked" me.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8104610








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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    You do have a valid point, HD. (Oh, and I think your post from the link you posted is brilliant!)

    Okay, now that HD brought this up, I do just have to say that people who continuously self promote themselves in numerous posts often come off as being desperate and desperation is a poor advertising/marketing method. It does have a tendency to drive potential clients away rather than piquing interest to draw them near.

    Self promotion is also breaking a rule. And see, some thought that the rules here were only to annoy and hinder rather than actually helping one's business reputation.

    Terra

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