Ethics of creating product by rewriting others

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On quite a few product creation threads or WSOs, one of the techniques for easy product creation is to purchase someone else's and rewrite it (or have it rewritten).

Whilst I get that this isn't strictly plagiarism, and can understand the logic of making it easier for yourself, I'm unsure of the ethics of using someone else's hard work.

Ok, adding your own unique twist I can understand, but straight rewriting?

What do people think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ged3
    It would probably take so long to rewrite something that the person would probably be better off starting something from the beginning - i.e. original!

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by sentient View Post

    What do people think?
    I'm out of step the the forum consensus of opinion on this question. Or at least, out of step with my impression of it. It always seems to me that this is both plagiarism in the moral sense, and breach of copyright in the legal sense too (in the creation of a "derivative work"). There'll be people along with other opinions, I know. And not only the people selling WSO's teaching this "method".
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    If you don't have enough knowledge to write an ebook you shouldn’t try to write one. If you don't have something substantial, new, and original to offer to the public you should promote someone else’s work as an affiliate.

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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      I'll second what Alexa has said, but also ask you how you'd feel if someone plagiarised a work of yours? Probably not very good. Chances are you're probably incapable of personally producing what you are considering stealing.

      It's people who are either too lazy, stupid, dumb, or illiterate to create their own work who pose these questions and do these things. Which one are you?

      Ethics are one thing, theft is another . . . whichever way you spin it. And people who do it are the maggots in the IM apple.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    There's a huge difference between doing your own research and simply rewriting a piece of copy that you find online somewhere.
    One is done well (hopefully) and the other is done by a typing parrot.

    Unless you enjoy being unethical, why would you want to steal other people's hard work?
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    If MORALITY isn't going to make you think twice about this, what about GETTING SUED FOR COPYRIGHT infringement? Derivative works = rewrite = copyright infringement = possible jail time.
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    • Profile picture of the author sentient
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      If MORALITY isn't going to make you think twice about this, what about GETTING SUED FOR COPYRIGHT infringement? Derivative works = rewrite = copyright infringement = possible jail time.
      Woah, chill out dude. I haven't for one second suggested this is something I'm planning on doing, if you read my thread I'm questioning the ethics of people promoting this as a way of creating products.

      Threatening me with jail time for something I have no intention of doing - put down your pitchfork now!

      Some people do like to overreact on this forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by sentient View Post

        Woah, chill out dude. I haven't for one second suggested this is something I'm planning on doing, if you read my thread I'm questioning the ethics of people promoting this as a way of creating products.

        Threatening me with jail time for something I have no intention of doing - put down your pitchfork now!

        Some people do like to overreact on this forum.
        Don't worry sentient, he doesn't have the power to put you behind bars.

        Seriously though, I'm with Alexa and Horny Devil on this one. It is indeed unethical and illegal to boot. I only have one thing to add to what they have already shared.

        Personally, I think people who do this must be insomniacs and aren't able to sleep at night anyway. :p

        Okay, that wasn't too serious was it? But I think my sentiments were conveyed regardless.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Purchase PLR. Rewrite PLR. Problem solved.

    No legal or ethical problems. (Unless your rewrite contains BS)

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Yes, I like what Rob said.

      If the work you're rewriting is meant to be the basis of your own product, as in the case of PLR, then I see no difficulty.

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

        I'll second what Alexa has said, but also ask you how you'd feel if someone plagiarised a work of yours? Probably not very good. Chances are you're probably incapable of personally producing what you are considering stealing.

        It's people who are either too lazy, stupid, dumb, or illiterate to create their own work who pose these questions and do these things. Which one are you?

        Ethics are one thing, theft is another . . . whichever way you spin it. And people who do it are the maggots in the IM apple.
        Horny D, don't candy coat it. Tell us how you really feel...

        For the record, I agree with you.

        Originally Posted by sentient View Post

        Woah, chill out dude. I haven't for one second suggested this is something I'm planning on doing, if you read my thread I'm questioning the ethics of people promoting this as a way of creating products.

        Threatening me with jail time for something I have no intention of doing - put down your pitchfork now!

        Some people do like to overreact on this forum.
        Seems like there's more than one person needing a little cooling off.

        HD wasn't addressing YOU personally. He was addressing the communal YOU, of which you happen to be one.

        As for the prospect of a stay in the graybar hotel, that's far less likely than a trip to the poor house. The largest judgment a quick search turned up was $1.8 billion. Even if you knock a couple of sets of zeroes off of that, it's still enough to bankrupt most of those who might follow this misguided advice. There is evidence that sometimes judgments are set aside, but how many years of your life do you want to spend arguing with lawyers?

        Seems like it would be much cheaper to just hire a ghost writer and get on with it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Just realize there is pretty much nothing new in anything at all... just new ways of delivering a message with originality and better marketing. Do you think Tony Robbins created nlp? No way and he says so. He even says that everything is a rework of someone elses stuff.

    Look at book and movie story lines... Many are a rework going back to Homer's "The Iliad"
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  • Not too many babies are born with original ideas in their head. These ideas come later in life from exposure to school and from reading other peoples work. Some of these babies then grow up and decide to become an author, of which when you actually read the "bibliography" section of their books, (the part where they acknowledge the tons of "other" books they used when "researching" material for their own book,) you will notice that the list of references can sometimes be 4 pages long.

    Most folks skip reading that part of a book. Personally, I like to learn about the classic material from which the author drew his/her inspiration. It also shows me that writing a new book isn't all that hard, if you have 100 books on the same topic to draw from.

    Is it unethical? I can tell you this, if it became illegal to draw ideas from other books, then bookstores would probably consist of one bookshelf, and Amazon would be a tiny stream.
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    • Profile picture of the author sentient
      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      Not too many babies are born with original ideas in their head. These ideas come later in life from exposure to school and from reading other peoples work. Some of these babies then grow up and decide to become an author, of which when you actually read the "bibliography" section of their books, (the part where they acknowledge the tons of "other" books they used when "researching" material for their own book,) you will notice that the list of references can sometimes be 4 pages long.

      Most folks skip reading that part of a book. Personally, I like to learn about the classic material from which the author drew his/her inspiration. It also shows me that writing a new book isn't all that hard, if you have 100 books on the same topic to draw from.

      Is it unethical? I can tell you this, if it became illegal to draw ideas from other books, then bookstores would probably consist of one bookshelf, and Amazon would be a tiny stream.
      Completely agree, however I think there is a difference between drawing ideas, and just rewriting an existing product. My point was about the perceived proliferation of people recommended just to buy and rewrite.
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      when you actually read the "bibliography" section of their books, (the part where they acknowledge the tons of "other" books they used when "researching" material for their own book,) you will notice that the list of references can sometimes be 4 pages long.
      Exactly. They're references. Numerous sources of information gleaned, but NOT blatant wholesale plagiarism. Where copying has been done it usually equates to a single line, sentence, or paragraph per reference at most. There's a world of difference between that, and this . . .

      Originally Posted by sentient View Post

      easy product creation is to purchase someone else's and rewrite it (or have it rewritten).
      . . . which is taking a single publication and spinning it. In other words, plagiarism.


      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      It also shows me that writing a new book isn't all that hard, if you have 100 books on the same topic to draw from.
      Speaking as an author of numerous tomes I can reliably inform you that writing a book IS hard, more so if you're attempting to correlate 100 other books in addition to stamping on your own identity whilst compiling it. Still, what do I know.


      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      Is it unethical? I can tell you this, if it became illegal to draw ideas from other books, then bookstores would probably consist of one bookshelf, and Amazon would be a tiny stream.
      FYI, drawing ideas and blatant plagiarism are at opposite ends of the ethics scale.
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  • Profile picture of the author sentient
    "Seems like there's more than one person needing a little cooling off." - nope, I'm quite happily chilled thank you.

    "HD wasn't addressing YOU personally. He was addressing the communal YOU, of which you happen to be one." - nope again I'm afraid, if by communal you you mean people who plagiarise other people's work. You appear to be someone else who did not read my op properly. Unless by communal you you mean literally everyone, in which case I am of course one.

    "There is evidence that sometimes judgements are set aside, but how many years of your life do you want to spend arguing with lawyers?" - is this the communal you you are threatening with bankruptcy, or me specifically, again for something I have no intention of doing?

    I'm also not convinced that extradition treaties will always be enforced with regards to civil cases on these type of issues. Remember, not everyone here is based in the US.

    Although again, as I have no intention of doing it, I'm sure I'll be able to continue by vacations in the US without fear of being sent to the poor house.
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  • Profile picture of the author katherineolga
    It takes me at least twice as long to rewrite a product than it does to start it from scratch!

    I also think it's unethical.

    The only exception being if you bought a PLR product and rewrote that (as long as the instructions stated that rewriting or reselling is okay).
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  • Profile picture of the author hsbinmarket
    After completing theft u ask question on ethics? Why dont u ask before doing such crime, man?
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by hsbinmarket View Post

      After completing theft u ask question on ethics? Why dont u ask before doing such crime, man?
      Ummm, can you read? It would be most helpful if you do so before posting a reply.

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    • Originally Posted by hsbinmarket View Post

      After completing theft u ask question on ethics? Why dont u ask before doing such crime, man?
      Ummm, can you read? It would be most helpful if you do so before posting a reply.

      Arnold.

      (This plagiarism joke was brought to you by...)
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

        Ummm, can you read? It would be most helpful if you do so before posting a reply.

        Arnold.

        (This plagiarism joke was brought to you by...)
        Polly?

        So what are you after? Don't tell me, let me guess...Polly want a cracker?

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    This is the exact problem we have in this industry. Too many people who know absolutely nothing about what they are trying to teach, have just read it somewhere else and regurgitate it to make some money.

    These people don't last long because you can see straight through them.
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  • Profile picture of the author RockNRolla
    I think that it is immoral to take someone else's original work, rehash it and then sell it. It obviously happens all the time so people are having success with it but in my opinion, it's something I'd never do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Fridrihs
    There is even no smell of ethic if you just rewrite text. Buy PLR, rebrand it, add something and problem will be solved ethically and without spending a lot of time.
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