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Hello Warriors, i hope you are in a good mood today.

I've created an ebook and i'm wondering if i should make it a free report or sell it, a lots of people say that the squeeze page build a "Freebie Seekers" list, and they don't buy any product i send to them, is that true ?

Freebie Seekers doesn't buy anything ? To those people who have a list they made it by using squeeze page & free report, Is your list buying products from you ? or they just ALWAYS need a free products ?

Regards,
Oliver.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Everyone will want to buy something at some point.

    "Freebie Seekers" can become lifetime clients and people who buy your book immediately can never buy from you again.

    In my opinion, I think you should sell your eBook. I am not a fan of offering freebies. Sell your eBook and collect each buyers email address so that you can market to them in the future. Just remember to polish your sales page and provide as much value as possible in your book.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver13
      Originally Posted by timbonitus View Post

      Everyone will want to buy something at some point.

      "Freebie Seekers" can become lifetime clients and people who buy your book immediately can never buy from you again.

      In my opinion, I think you should sell your eBook. I am not a fan of offering freebies. Sell your eBook and collect each buyers email address so that you can market to them in the future. Just remember to polish your sales page and provide as much value as possible in your book.
      LOL, but you say: people who buy your book immediately can never buy from you again.

      So, Freebie Seekers doesn't buy any product and the buyers list maybe will not buy any product too, so i'm gonna leave the IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author aarthielumalai
      Originally Posted by timbonitus View Post

      Everyone will want to buy something at some point.

      "Freebie Seekers" can become lifetime clients and people who buy your book immediately can never buy from you again.

      In my opinion, I think you should sell your eBook. I am not a fan of offering freebies. Sell your eBook and collect each buyers email address so that you can market to them in the future. Just remember to polish your sales page and provide as much value as possible in your book.
      Well, you're contradicting yourself. You just said buyers won't buy from you again, but then you are advising the OP to sell the book?

      Oh, well. OP, if free lists don't make any money, people won't be offering free E-books for opt-ins.

      Buyers list, do, in fact, convert well than a freebie list, but you can make a lot of money from freebie lists too. The thing is, you can build a freebie list faster than a buyers list.

      So, evaluate the product you have right now. Is it good enough to be sold to get lifetime customers. If it is, go the buyers list route. But, also create a smaller E-book or something in the same niche and build a free list simultaneously. You can have your product as the OTO in the thank you page of your free list.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
        Originally Posted by aarthielumalai View Post

        Well, you're contradicting yourself. You just said buyers won't buy from you again, but then you are advising the OP to sell the book?

        Oh, well. OP, if free lists don't make any money, people won't be offering free E-books for opt-ins.

        Buyers list, do, in fact, convert well than a freebie list, but you can make a lot of money from freebie lists too. The thing is, you can build a freebie list faster than a buyers list.

        So, evaluate the product you have right now. Is it good enough to be sold to get lifetime customers. If it is, go the buyers list route. But, also create a smaller E-book or something in the same niche and build a free list simultaneously. You can have your product as the OTO in the thank you page of your free list.
        The point I was trying to make is that I think it is a better idea to sell the book so that you can get some money and a create buyers list instead of giving the book away for free.

        And that you shouldn't think that every buyer will buy from you again and that everyone who signed up for a free report is only interested in free stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Squeeze pages and free reports are not necessarily combined: many people successfully use free reports but not squeeze pages, to build their lists. All the testing I've done, in my own business, has proven that whereas "squeeze pages + free reports" have always worked worse for me - in the long run - than the alternative with which I've compared it, the reason for that (in my business, anyway) has been the squeeze page, not the free report. I mention this (again) only to try to draw to your attention that you may be in danger of confusing two different things, here, and not allowing for the possibility that maybe it's "squeeze pages", rather than "free reports", which can be bad news.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver13
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Squeeze pages and free reports are not necessarily combined: many people successfully use free reports but not squeeze pages, to build their lists. All the testing I've done, in my own business, has proven that whereas "squeeze pages + free reports" have always worked worse for me - in the long run - than the alternative with which I've compared it, the reason for that (in my business, anyway) has been the squeeze page, not the free report. I mention this (again) only to try to draw to your attention that you may be in danger of confusing two different things, here, and not allowing for the possibility that maybe it's "squeeze pages", rather than "free reports", which can be bad news.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758
      Thanks Lexa for your replay,

      You even didn't make any income from the list that you built from your squeeze pages ? i don't need any high income, just need some bucks to push me to the next level.

      Regards,
      Oliver.

      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      They don't usually buy on the first contact, but I have plenty
      of time and patience to work on building the relationship

      The key is to let them know early on, and often, that you do
      sell things.
      Willie
      Thanks Willie,

      I will try to build a relationship with them.

      Another thing, you said that the key to let them know that i'm selling things, but i want to send them another free information about the niche that i will make, then start to send them my affiliate products, is that wrong ?

      Regards,
      Oliver.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Oliver13 View Post

        Thanks Lexa for your replay,

        You even didn't make any income from the list that you built from your squeeze pages ?
        I made income from those lists. But in every case where I split-tested, I made more income (using the same email series etc. etc.) from the smaller lists built without the squeeze page than from the bigger lists built with the squeeze page. If I get 1,000 visits to a squeeze page, significantly more people opt in than if I get 1,000 visits to the landing page of a blog with a prominently incentivized opt-in box on it, because different people opt in to each, and the best customers (for me, in the 4 niches in which I've split-tested this over a 6-month period) are people who will opt in on a content-rich blog but won't opt in on a squeeze page. And this in spite of more people opting in from the squeeze page.

        Squeeze pages are a perfectly accepted and reasonable way to build a list, and plenty of people are using them and making money from them. And when I've used them, I've also made money from them ... just not as much money as I've made from the same traffic-sources without them. So for me, every time I've tested them, they've been a "second-best way".

        The "biggest list" and the "best list" are normally two different lists - and there are reasons for that.

        This post and the posts linked to inside it explain in more detail: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    I have numerous lists, where I first attracted subscribers by offering
    a free gift, and they buy all the time.

    They don't usually buy on the first contact, but I have plenty
    of time and patience to work on building the relationship

    The key is to let them know early on, and often, that you do
    sell things.

    You need to determine what it is that they are really interested
    in, and you offer them products related to that topic. I assume
    that they are interested in topics similar to the one that first got
    them on my list.

    For example, if they joined my list to get a free report on
    generating website traffic, they I'm going to start out by offering
    that list traffic generation products... or perhaps list-building
    products.

    If they joined for a free report on SEO, then I'm going to offer
    them SEO related products.

    Willie
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    • Profile picture of the author sfrewerd
      I'd suggest using your ebook to build your list if you don't already have one. I've used free short reports and ebooks alike for list building for years and people do buy products I recommend or offer them. Maybe not immediately, but the relationship is built with my autoresponder emails and the way I 'help' the list members over time.

      Offer people something they really 'need' or 'want' and if it's a good offer a percentage will buy. But, keep in mind that if your niche is a bunch of non-buyers who aren't desperate to solve a problem or fill a need then it's harder to convert. People do it, but it's been my experience that it takes more time, effort and $ to do so.

      Hope that helps in some way. Good luck to you. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      I am actually on a few lists of Willie's and I do think I came aboard on a free offer from him and I have bought from him. Just thought I would add that.
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      I have numerous lists, where I first attracted subscribers by offering
      a free gift, and they buy all the time.

      They don't usually buy on the first contact, but I have plenty
      of time and patience to work on building the relationship

      The key is to let them know early on, and often, that you do
      sell things.

      You need to determine what it is that they are really interested
      in, and you offer them products related to that topic. I assume
      that they are interested in topics similar to the one that first got
      them on my list.

      For example, if they joined my list to get a free report on
      generating website traffic, they I'm going to start out by offering
      that list traffic generation products... or perhaps list-building
      products.

      If they joined for a free report on SEO, then I'm going to offer
      them SEO related products.

      Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    This is my kind of thread.

    well, The first questions comes here, Why would anyone want to buy from you?

    lets split this,

    Because, 1. They are interested in the product 2. They trust you

    Doesn't matter if you promote the first offer free.

    Here's how to make this.

    1. Promote a FREE killing offer hard to refuse just for an email.
    2. Drive targeted traffic. Don't seek quantity but the quality as you don't want to make a empty pocket army but a full wallet bunch of peoples.
    3. Introduce yourself to your list. Know what they like via conversations and try to move as close as you can. The success line is when you're mail arrives to their inbox they must think "wow, another great offer my Oliver" instead of " another automated machine generated autoresponder mail"
    4. Don't promote random products. Try to synchronize your emails like a video series.
    5.see how this freebie seekers flood your credit card with cash.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Heath
    I sometimes wonder if the freebie seekers ever read the emails you send them later. If they don't, of course you'll never sell them anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    As Alexa just pointed out, a freebie and a sqeeze page doensn't
    necessarily have to go together. I've offered several WSO's with
    no opt-in required, and no immediate up-sell.

    I've done the same thing in other places.

    I have at times zipped a freebie and included other "gifts"
    such an ebooks that soft-sold pet projects. I've also zipped
    freebies such as MP3's and PDF's and added HTML shortcuts
    files with catchy names to the zip file. Those shortcut files
    basically had my affiliate links (one per file), embedded in
    the "head" section of the file. When a customer clicked on]
    one of these shortcut files, it then took them to an affiliate
    offer that I wanted the to see... or the entrance to a
    funnel that I wanted to get them to opt-in to.

    Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author harperdy
    Hey Oliver, give it as a free report then just before they get the product, take them to your sales page. It's a win win.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I have did extensive testing with freebys and contrary to popular belief, freeby seekers do actually buy. I won't get my standard 1 to 3 percent but I do get .25 to .75 percent.
    So if you have a list of 10,000 freeby seekers then this could amount to as much as 75 sales or as little as 25 sales but on a monthly basis that adds up.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Such lists do buy time by time but the conversion rate is always low..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    Even though a buyers list is a lot easier to make sales with, it's actually more than 5x faster to build a freebies list, at least for me.

    It bores down to developing a convivial relationship with your list, whether buyers or freebies, by delivering on the exact reason they joined your list. Do that and you'll be rewarded with sales.

    As they say, the money is in the list but a lot more money is in the relationship with the list.

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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    It's possible to build a list of high value subscribers by offering a freebie on your squeeze/website page. The reason why a lot of marketers don't understand this is because most of the free reports they give away are rubbish.

    Rubbish report = rubbish subscriber
    Quality report = quality subscriber (at least higher quality than what most people are getting anyway)

    The value of your subscriber is in direct proportion to the value you give to them. If you want to blend in (like the rest) then just slap up a crappy report and save your quality stuff for promoting to your new subscriber, chances are they're not going to buy from you after reading your free report anyway (which, of course is your first point of contact)

    Fact is - a lot of people are scratching their heads as to why they're not making money from their email lists - and most often all they have to do is give away something valuable enough first in order to be remembered... to stand out.

    How many times have we signed up to someone's list, downloaded their report and NOT gotten value? I'd image it's most of the time. And how many marketers emails do we ignore?

    I'm not suggesting that a list built from a freebie is just as valuable as a list built from a paid product - but I bet a lot of people would generate a lot more sales if they gave away a cracking report that's super targeted to their audience and solves at least one of their problems.

    Another big mistake I see a lot of people doing is giving away a 100 page eBook. With information readily available for free across the web - and with Information overload being so prevalent, I'd image most people haven't got the bloody time to read a 100 page eBook. And if they don't read it, then quite simply there's a very good chance they won't give a damn about your emails either.

    The thing is, it's not only the value of your freebie that's important, It's whether or not your new subscriber takes action with it. If I downloaded your free report and it solved one specific problem I have, you can be assured I will look out for your next email. Doesn't matter whether it's a freebie or a paid product. If I find the information valuable and I take action with it, chances are I'll think about paying for more information from you in the future.

    I'll ask again. How many free reports have you downloaded after opting into someones list that you HAVEN'T taken action with? Now, how many of those marketers do you even remember?

    If you want a responsive list, they bloody well have to remember who you are - and that certainly aint gonna happen with a crappy free report, which is the first point of contact with your subscribers. Even if they do remember who you are, they'll most likely remember you as the person who gave them rubbish.

    Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Originally Posted by Oliver13 View Post

    Hello Warriors, i hope you are in a good mood today.

    I've created an ebook and i'm wondering if i should make it a free report or sell it, a lots of people say that the squeeze page build a "Freebie Seekers" list, and they don't buy any product i send to them, is that true ?

    Freebie Seekers doesn't buy anything ? To those people who have a list they made it by using squeeze page & free report, Is your list buying products from you ? or they just ALWAYS need a free products ?

    Regards,
    Oliver.
    Well you either have that method of giving something away for free or selling a WSO and getting a buyers list that way which is worth much more than a freebie list. Now if you use the free gift method then you can offer a low priced item like $1 for a PLR guide or something to convert those freebie seekers into buyers and filter out the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author kinyash
    Freeby seekers dont buy anything is an untrue statement. I was once a freeby seeker i have to admit buy i still ended up buying products. Just build your list and work towards building relationship and trust from them. You also really need to work hard and be a success yourself also so that they admire and want to be like you. this drives them to buy your products since they think they are emulating your strategies that already worked for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    I would go freebie first..

    Provide something of value.. Solve their problems.. If I want to go to point B and you can show me that for FREE.. I would definitely buy your products.

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I prefer buyers lists over freebie lists any day of the week.

    You can give away lots of value for free upfront without doing the whole free ebook if you enter your email address into a squeeze page thing though. And there are ways in which it works much better and gets you a much more responsive list.

    Just send your traffic to your site or blog full of great content then ask them to opt in if they liked it and want to hear more or send them through a content funnel before asking to opt in / buy.

    Here's a an example of the 'content funnel'...
    http://affiliatebully.com/

    You'll get less opt ins overall but those who do opt in will be more responsive as you've already given them a ton of value up front before asking them for anything (their email) which means they already know that you know what you're talking about, have information that they want and can help them.

    This will increase email open rates over the squeeze page / free ebook method. When you do that you are bribing someone to opt in to get something they aren't even sure is any good.

    Many will instantly hit back, lots will put in fake email addresses, some will put in real email addresses but ones they never check or use only for lists and the few who do put in their legit email addy still may never get round to reading that ebook. The few who do might enjoy it and open your emails but even many of those will read it and quickly forget about it and there's no guarantee they'll open your emails or remember who you are when you next email them.

    Worth thinking about. Just because everyone seems to be doing squeeze pages doesn't mean it's the best way to do things.
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  • Profile picture of the author zeroaffiliate
    Nowadays, people always prefer freebies than purchasing any ebook immediately.

    If i think my ebook is too valuable to offer it free to my visitors, i will offer a preview sample ebook to show them the first chapter of my ebook to wet their appetite before offering a "limited time offer" if they decide to purchase my full ebook.

    Your Free ebook could also include link to your first affiliate product.
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