Non US Resident Bank Account Opening for PayPal

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Hey everybody,

For my future ventures, I'm planning on opening an US PayPal account. I reside in India and actually the restrictions sucks a lot. You cannot receive more than $3000 USD/transaction, you cannot send anyone a payment from your bank account linked to PayPal but only with debit/credit card. And even these cards too has $1000/day limit or so. But as the transaction amount is likely to scale up in my business, and having short time limit of sending payments out, Indian PayPal is going to be quite impossible for me.

I've researched online about this and I've seen mixed opinions. Some say Wells Fargo is good bank and you need not need to be present IN PERSON there. A fellow relative of mine (IMer too) has opened an account with such procedures by establishing his business/company in USA, so that's what it enlightens me a little that it might be possible. There are quite a few relatives of mine staying in the United States, so there business address can be shown as theirs and should be no problem.

Things will be of course done legally as I'll be establishing a presence of my company (Company LLC) in the United States. So I'll be getting the EIN number but no SSN number unfortunately.

If anyone of you has encountered situations like this, and have done it without being present IN PERSON, please share your experience and what you exactly did do. I could hire a lawyer too to get the process done (as my relative did too and he did most of the part for him).

edit: And also let's say all the process is done and PayPal decides to limit the account and acquire more info, can the business address proof, EIN, US Bank Account and Debit Card do the job for verification for business PayPal US accounts or will it require additional information of a person too such as driving license, etc? Because that would be sort of impossible. However I read on PayPal forums about their moderator saying that this is possible and perfectly fine if a business is established in the States.

Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Have you tried the forum's search function? There are dozens of threads on exactly this subject (including some fairly recent ones).
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  • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
    Alexa, I'm sorry, but I had some additional questions too and a bit different problems too (yes I did read a few alike threads), I edited the thread too with requiring additional info. Hence why created a new thread.

    Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      It's ok - I wasn't "complaining", just mentioning it in case you were unaware. I know it's sometimes a "tricky issue". Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It's ok - I wasn't "complaining", just mentioning it in case you were unaware. I know it's sometimes a "tricky issue". Good luck!
        Yeah, PayPal is really PITA haha. These all problems only because of just one payment gateway.

        Thanks!

        Originally Posted by Ruby Rynne View Post

        A long time ago I had a Delaware corporation and a bank account with PNC Bank that I opened over the phone and with faxed ID. But that was before the Patriot Act, not sure if they would still do it now.

        If you just want a US account you can link up to your PayPal, perhaps opening a Payoneer card account would work? You get a prepaid type Mastercard, and a US bank account details you can accept payments directly in to, which then credit the Mastercard. You can hook both up to your PayPal as a credit card and a US bank account. Payoneer can also be used to receive your earnings from 2Checkout, several network marketing and affiliate programs, and I believe even Clickbank, so worth having it for that anyway, IMO.
        Hey Ruby,

        Thanks for the reply! I indeed heard about Delaware these previous days about researching for all this stuff. Actually I have a perfectly fine and operating business account at PayPal India, but as I mentioned it has limitations. I cannot process payments due to various limitations put up by RBI (Reserve Bank of India) and PayPal India. So the only way currently would be to establish a business in the United States.

        Thanks for the response!

        Originally Posted by Amod Oke View Post

        Here's a piece of advice most will agree: If you're taking the pain of incorporating in the US from India, don't bother with Paypal! Get your own merchant account and then you can get some unbelievably good card processors to process payments.

        I am assuming that you already have a business model going on... if not, get that straightened out first before blowing your $$$

        Some awesome payment gateway resources...
        http://www.braintreepayments.com
        http://samurai.feefighters.com
        http://feefighters.com will allow you to search for gateway's that match your reqs.

        As for incorporating, I have done it successfully and smoothly using SmallBiz.com - What your small business needs to incorporate, form an LLC or corporation!, very good people and quite reasonable.

        However, one warning:
        These days, US banks WONT simply open a bank account for you if you are not in the US, if you do not have a S.S.N, and if you are an "internet marketer".

        So first of all, talk with someone you might know who resides in the US and ask them to inquire in a local bank if your situation would get you one.

        Incorporating is simple, getting a bank account is not.
        Amod,

        That could definitely work for most people. However, not in my case. The problem here is I don't have problems in receiving the cash, an Indian business PayPal is good for it too. But the real problem is to send quite an amount of cash in limited time period to clients/members.

        So needless to say it won't be possible in Indian PayPal as you of course yourself know the limitations of it too.

        I'll get an LLC established and it won't be a problem but opening a bank account in the States for non residents seems to be the biggest challenge currently.

        If anyone has any more info or experience to share, I'll be waiting to hear as to learn on how to curb this problem.

        Thank you everybody!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruby Rynne
    A long time ago I had a Delaware corporation and a bank account with PNC Bank that I opened over the phone and with faxed ID. But that was before the Patriot Act, not sure if they would still do it now.

    If you just want a US account you can link up to your PayPal, perhaps opening a Payoneer card account would work? You get a prepaid type Mastercard, and a US bank account details you can accept payments directly in to, which then credit the Mastercard. You can hook both up to your PayPal as a credit card and a US bank account. Payoneer can also be used to receive your earnings from 2Checkout, several network marketing and affiliate programs, and I believe even Clickbank, so worth having it for that anyway, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Meharis
      Originally Posted by Ruby Rynne View Post

      A long time ago I had a Delaware corporation and a bank account with PNC Bank that I opened over the phone and with faxed ID. But that was before the Patriot Act, not sure if they would still do it now.

      If you just want a US account you can link up to your PayPal, perhaps opening a Payoneer card account would work? You get a prepaid type Mastercard, and a US bank account details you can accept payments directly in to, which then credit the Mastercard. You can hook both up to your PayPal as a credit card and a US bank account. Payoneer can also be used to receive your earnings from 2Checkout, several network marketing and affiliate programs, and I believe even Clickbank, so worth having it for that anyway, IMO.

      Ruby Rynne,

      You overlooked the fact the OP is from India.

      Meharis
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  • Profile picture of the author Amod Oke
    Here's a piece of advice most will agree: If you're taking the pain of incorporating in the US from India, don't bother with Paypal! Get your own merchant account and then you can get some unbelievably good card processors to process payments.

    I am assuming that you already have a business model going on... if not, get that straightened out first before blowing your $$$

    Some awesome payment gateway resources...
    http://www.braintreepayments.com
    http://samurai.feefighters.com
    http://feefighters.com will allow you to search for gateway's that match your reqs.

    As for incorporating, I have done it successfully and smoothly using SmallBiz.com - What your small business needs to incorporate, form an LLC or corporation!, very good people and quite reasonable.

    However, one warning:
    These days, US banks WONT simply open a bank account for you if you are not in the US, if you do not have a S.S.N, and if you are an "internet marketer".

    So first of all, talk with someone you might know who resides in the US and ask them to inquire in a local bank if your situation would get you one.

    Incorporating is simple, getting a bank account is not.
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  • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
    If anyone has experience in this, please let me know this if possible.

    Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dolpet
    i'm looking good solution for non US resident to. Someone said to me by opening payoneer, but still confusing about procedure and legality. Anyone already try payoneer to accept payment by bank ? any feedback ?
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  • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
    Payoneer is not an option because RBI has controlled it too (for Indians however, not sure from which country you belong to).
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  • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
    I'd appreciate any more answers from the experienced warriors out there!

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author emkay
    Originally Posted by crazy4cs View Post

    Hey everybody,

    For my future ventures, I'm planning on opening an US PayPal account. I reside in India and actually the restrictions sucks a lot. You cannot receive more than $3000 USD/transaction, you cannot send anyone a payment from your bank account linked to PayPal but only with debit/credit card. And even these cards too has $1000/day limit or so. But as the transaction amount is likely to scale up in my business, and having short time limit of sending payments out, Indian PayPal is going to be quite impossible for me.

    I've researched online about this and I've seen mixed opinions. Some say Wells Fargo is good bank and you need not need to be present IN PERSON there. A fellow relative of mine (IMer too) has opened an account with such procedures by establishing his business/company in USA, so that's what it enlightens me a little that it might be possible. There are quite a few relatives of mine staying in the United States, so there business address can be shown as theirs and should be no problem.

    Things will be of course done legally as I'll be establishing a presence of my company (Company LLC) in the United States. So I'll be getting the EIN number but no SSN number unfortunately.

    If anyone of you has encountered situations like this, and have done it without being present IN PERSON, please share your experience and what you exactly did do. I could hire a lawyer too to get the process done (as my relative did too and he did most of the part for him).

    edit: And also let's say all the process is done and PayPal decides to limit the account and acquire more info, can the business address proof, EIN, US Bank Account and Debit Card do the job for verification for business PayPal US accounts or will it require additional information of a person too such as driving license, etc? Because that would be sort of impossible. However I read on PayPal forums about their moderator saying that this is possible and perfectly fine if a business is established in the States.

    Thank you!
    I've been in the same position as you.

    - It is IMPOSSIBLE to open a US bank account without you (and your partner since you mentioned incorporating an LLC) personally being in the US.

    - Even after you're in the US, you'll need an ITIN number (the equivalent of SSN for non-US citizens) to open the account. Getting an ITIN is not a simple procedure.

    - Even if you manage to somehow get an ITIN and open an account, there is the IRS withholding problems to take care of. And did you know that you will have to personally visit a Wells Fargo branch to initiate the first wire transfer of funds from your US bank account to your bank account in India?

    If you could visit the US, opening a bank account is probably possible. If not, I advice that you receive payments from the US via International Wire Transfers and to send out payments, use a credit card (I don't think there are any limits to how much you can use your credit cards for payments).
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    • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
      Originally Posted by emkay View Post

      I've been in the same position as you.

      - It is IMPOSSIBLE to open a US bank account without you (and your partner since you mentioned incorporating an LLC) personally being in the US.

      - Even after you're in the US, you'll need an ITIN number (the equivalent of SSN for non-US citizens) to open the account. Getting an ITIN is not a simple procedure.

      - Even if you manage to somehow get an ITIN and open an account, there is the IRS withholding problems to take care of. And did you know that you will have to personally visit a Wells Fargo branch to initiate the first wire transfer of funds from your US bank account to your bank account in India?

      If you could visit the US, opening a bank account is probably possible. If not, I advice that you receive payments from the US via International Wire Transfers and to send out payments, use a credit card (I don't think there are any limits to how much you can use your credit cards for payments).
      Lawyer maybe could be able to handle this. As my fellow relative as said in OP has done it, I think it should be definitely possible.

      Yeah, it could be a really PITA to go through, but there is probably a way to do it.

      And yes, there are unfortunately limits/day for any bank in the world on how much you could spend in a day from your credit card or debit card. If even this point could be eliminated, I'll have no problem in operating from Indian business account.

      Thanks for your informative answer though, appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author ErikNilsson
    Bank of America is good in terms of Business Accounts....
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    • Profile picture of the author crazy4cs
      Originally Posted by ErikNilsson View Post

      Bank of America is good in terms of Business Accounts....
      Hi Erik,

      Thanks for the reply. Yes I definitely heard about it as my relative too has account in the same bank.

      Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author carolmonthero
    Hey Dude,

    If you have passport and physical address of US, then don't panic. Search for agents who helps to create US bank accounts for non residents and then visit nearby US embassy. If you don't have physical address then also you will get US bank account. You may use it for business or for personal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Rosmer
    I act as an advisor for a firm that structures internet entrepreneurs internationally, helping them with tax, banking, merchant processing, etc.

    A few general rules:

    1. Stay out of the US - seriously, it's pretty much the worst country you can get involved in, not only is it difficult to set up US corporate accounts remotely (likewise for a lot of US merchant accounts) the moment you open a US corporation you are subject to US tax, which is some of the highest in the world and they tax your worldwide income, you also have to worry about their money transfer deals, I happen to know someone who lost nearly $1 million this year by having their Bank of America account shut down due to high transaction volumes that were flagged by the IRS. Merchant processing also isn't particularly cheap in the US relative to various other (primarily European jurisdictions)

    2. As already mentioned, stay away from Paypal if you've got any scale, it's not a reliable solution. Granted, you're in a tough spot because India is one of the most difficult countries in the world to get in and out of in terms of tax treaties but there are definitely options and definitely better options than those suggested

    Likely better solution, look to Europe, you'll have at least 0.5%+ on merchant processing in most cases (depending partially on where in Europe, I'd stay away from Germany, France has about the cheapest merchant rates but not the best tax situation). What you'll probably want to do is set up with a cross border acquirer so your bank accounts can be located anywhere in the world for your European merchant account. You'll have a way easier time getting set up in Europe, get lower rates on processing, way more flexibility in terms of both banking and processing, and have the added benefits of keeping your tax burden much lower. The last thing you want to do is pay full US tax (35%), then transfer the money out of the country facing withholding taxes, then pay taxes in your jurisdiction of residence, it doesn't leave much left over, not to mention all the reporting and filing requirements are a pain.

    If you can manage it set yourself up in either a jurisdiction with a territorial tax system (Cyprus, Gibraltar, etc.) with the actual banking in another jurisdiction so it's deemed non-resident income (be careful not to trigger tax in the jurisdiction where you have your banking located), or alternatively a zero tax or extremely low tax jurisdiction (you can set up some extremely low tax rates in Malta for example if you structure it right), and make sure you aren't going to be subject to much if any withholding tax.

    You've basically got 4 things to worry about:

    1. Corporate residency for tax purposes (as mentioned above high taxes can screw you)

    2. Merchant processing provider and jurisdiction (this will affect flexibility, currencies, rates, etc. since the card schemes try to protect their various zones)

    3. Banking jurisdiction and institution (lots to consider here such as stability, for example lots of people in Cyprus lost significant money recently due to poor banks, also bank flexibility, secrecy (I recommend not having any secret accounts if your local laws require you to disclose them like those of the US and Canada require, not sure about India's specifics) you should always play within the law you can do so and still be mighty efficient especially in the ecommerce game))

    4. Spending - this is the question of how do you gain access to the money for example via pre-paid corporate credit cards, large wire transfers, etc.


    Let me know if you have specific questions, though such a conversation is probably better handled via PM as most people don't like those details shared publicly.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    Opening a US or Other Country based Bank accounts from India isn't a easy task. By the way PayPal has already increased the limit from $3000 to $10000 Per Transaction. I have also heard that PayPal has already got license for domestic payments in India, Thats mean you can send or receive money to Indian PayPal users and also be able to remain funds in your PayPal account. They will launch this service by the next years.
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    • Profile picture of the author carolmonthero
      I heard PayPal is banned from India and than how it is possible for domestics payments? As per my knowledge you can only receive money but can't transfer money anywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author PrivateHTML
    Your from India, i dont think this is ever going to happen for you, search for an alternative, sorry!
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  • Profile picture of the author carolmonthero
    I wanted to say something, if you are going to start new business in USA and you don't have Physical US Address, then no need to worry. Some agents or companies will help you to open US Bank account without any US address and without any travel. But you need to face verification process.
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