How long are your emails?

by vicdd
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I know there's no one deffinite answer on how long should an autoresponder message be, because it depends on how much you how to say, but I've been wondering what is the word count you're circling about in your messages?

I'm wondering both on pure content/problem solving emails as well as promotion emails.

I've been trying to get into some successful newsletters to model what those guys are doing, but I'm having difficulties finding something in non IM-related niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielBlue
    There are some successful marketers who are sending me mails of about 300 words and they send this mail 3 times a day every day. In my opinion that's to much to read and 3 times a day I see ass spam. But it looks like it's working for them. Is about the IM niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I tend to create emails in the range of 600-1000 words.

    About 90% of my messages are product reviews, and 10% of the emails are information only.

    Many of my product reviews contain information also.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    I write LOOONG emails. Like thousands of words.

    My niche is seduction so I do a LOT of educating.

    Besides, I want to qualify my prospects as people who are serious about improving themselves, becoming more compelling men and great seducers.

    But I can't prove whether this is more effective/less effective/equally effective. David DeAngelo (Eben Pagan) also writes super long emails in his seduction list. And he's doing A-OK...
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  • Profile picture of the author kayfrank
    You're right - there is no answer fits all. As long as your emails are providing value and building a good relationship with people on your list then write as long or short as you want. Do you have a blog? If so send them to read a longer article that you have written on your blog. You can always ask for feedback too!
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hi,

    Long information packed emails can be great as they get the
    reader engaged...

    ...then you can lead onto recommending a related product
    or service you have of your own or indeed an affiliate offer
    you want to recommend.

    So don't be afraid to speak your mind, express your opinions
    in your emails because people will respond to YOU!

    They want to get to know you so if the email turns out to be a long
    one it doesn't matter because as long as it contains valuable
    information people won't mind.

    I like to vary my messages with pure long info packed ones, some
    that are short & link to a blog post and some that have pure content
    and then link to a product.

    Keep it fresh & interesting and your readers will look forward to
    opening them.

    Hope this helps

    Regards
    Gavin
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by vicdd View Post

    I've been trying to get into some successful newsletters to model what those guys are doing
    Don't forget to interpret "what those guys are doing" within the context of what they (expressly and/or implicitly) told their subscribers they'd be doing before, while and immediately after people subscribed. The information itself may not mean much without knowing that.

    ("Expressly" is generally better!)

    It's about continuity of approach, and expectation-setting/fulfilling.

    I send long emails, because most of my subscribers have originally been attracted to my site by reading a long article I'd written, which was published somewhere else where they were already looking. They came to my site because they'd been told (sometimes in these exact words) that there was "more of the same" there. When they got there, they found "more of the same". They opted in knowing that that would, again, get them "even more of the same" by email. That's what they want. So it would clearly be pretty silly for me to send short ones?

    Whichever (long emails or short emails) you decide are "better", you may need your entire marketing process to be based around that.

    The emails are the stage in the marketing process most proximal to the income. You need the maximum possible open-rate and attention-rate for them. Everything else you do should be specifically and consistently designed and created to achieve that.

    Different traffic demographics respond in different ways. What matters is your traffic demographics, how you attract them, and how you set their expectations.

    Originally Posted by vicdd View Post

    How long are your emails?
    Typically over 1,000 words, and I send them every 5 or 6 days. I've found this far better than sending shorter emails more frequently - no comparison at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    As my history teacher said, sophomore year in high school, when someone asked how long their essay should be:

    "You can compare that question to what I tell my wife when she asks how long her skirt should be. Short enough to cover what's necessary, but long enough to keep me interested"

    Hope that answers your question
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    • Profile picture of the author vicdd
      I have a follow-up question for those of you who write long, content-rich emails - what is the format of the message?
      What I usually see in newsletters is the line of text being 5 words-long, while the rest of the line is empty. I know the email looks longer that way, but honestly, I have no idea what is it about. Maybe it converts better?
      Anyway, do you use this technique while writing 1000-word article? Wouldn't that look like a short book, making people not want to read?
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      • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
        Originally Posted by vicdd View Post

        I have a follow-up question for those of you who write long, content-rich emails - what is the format of the message?
        What I usually see in newsletters is the line of text being 5 words-long, while the rest of the line is empty. I know the email looks longer that way, but honestly, I have no idea what is it about. Maybe it converts better?
        Anyway, do you use this technique while writing 1000-word article? Wouldn't that look like a short book, making people not want to read?
        This just makes it easy for your eyes to shoot over to the next line of text without a long scan across the page. Thus, less reader fatigue. All the old copywriters use this method and I imagine this has been tested to bejeesus and back. But I personally prefer to READ emails like this and I am representative of everybody. Kidding of course. But I think it's pretty sensible. Don't you prefer to read emails that don't have you eye-jumping all over the place?
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        • Profile picture of the author vicdd
          Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow View Post

          This just makes it easy for your eyes to shoot over to the next line of text without a long scan across the page. Thus, less reader fatigue. All the old copywriters use this method and I imagine this has been tested to bejeesus and back. But I personally prefer to READ emails like this and I am representative of everybody. Kidding of course. But I think it's pretty sensible. Don't you prefer to read emails that don't have you eye-jumping all over the place?
          Thank you! That does make sense.

          But then again, what about really long emails (1k+)? I imagine you'd save to scroll down forever.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I have found that in all of my niches (non IM-related), readers have consistently responded best with longer emails. It seems the odds of hitting a subscriber's "hot button" is raised substantially the longer they are engaged with compelling content. However, you must realize that with the increasing popularity of mobile devices, there may be an apparent intolerance for lengthy messages.

      What I do is send a paragraph or two of "teaser copy" with a link to the rest of the feature article on my website. Emails are sent on a daily basis, and includes niche-specific information, reports, stories, resources, jokes (they've gotta be very good), a short preview of the next day's topic, and always a heavy promotion at the end of every email. As a minimum, it's important to always fulfill subscriber expectations, but even better to consistently over deliver on expectations.
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      • Profile picture of the author vicdd
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I have found that in all of my niches (non IM-related), readers have consistently responded best with longer emails. It seems the odds of hitting a subscriber's "hot button" is raised substantially the longer they are engaged with compelling content. However, you must realize that with the increasing popularity of mobile devices, there may be an apparent intolerance for lengthy messages.

        What I do is send a paragraph or two of "teaser copy" with a link to the rest of the feature article on my website. Emails are sent on a daily basis, and includes niche-specific information, reports, stories, resources, jokes (they've gotta be very good), a short preview of the next day's topic, and always a heavy promotion at the end of every email. As a minimum, it's important to always fulfill subscriber expectations, but even better to consistently over deliver on expectations.
        Thank you for your input
        Does what "heavy promotion" work well in emails if you're first driving people out of the email to read the rest of the article on the website? Or is the promotion on the website itself?
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by vicdd View Post

          Thank you for your input
          Does what "heavy promotion" work well in emails if you're first driving people out of the email to read the rest of the article on the website? Or is the promotion on the website itself?
          Email promotion is only a part of the entire marketing process, beginning with the first contact point such as from a (long) published article. The end game is to not only maximize conversions for any given call to action, but also to massage subscribers in preparation for an ongoing cycle of product promotions. Sales are generally not produced directly from my websites.

          I use a direct marketing approach through email, and as the subscriber relationships develop, other communication channels are introduced such as telemarketing, direct mail, mobile marketing, and even face-to-face sales. The upshot here is that long content (including emails) has always been for me the best initiator for establishing long business relationships.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    It depends.

    Some niches like small and snappy email and other prefer longer and more indepth emails.

    But I can't prove whether this is more effective/less effective/equally effective.
    Of course you can. You split test emails with shorter amounts of text against larger amounts and see which results in more clicks / sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    my advice is to just develop your own style of writing emails

    this is how you set yourself apart from everyone else

    write as much as you would like to read yourself, this is what i do

    i hate emails with no content and just a promotion or a link

    at the same time i don't like reading an email 20 pages long

    if you do what you like then you will automatically attract people similar to you that stay on your list
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    • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
      As long as necessary and no longer...
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinChapman
    It depends what type of message I'm sending, if it's just a link to a newsletter probably only a 100 - 200 words or if I'm actually explaining how to do something then 500-100 words plus pictures.

    Don't feel under pressure to write long emails, just write as much is right for your email, there's no point waffling on just to get the word count.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pushkar Gaikwad
    It depends but I certainly don't cross 300 words. Almost all the emails I compose are tech in nature or promotional, the target audience has short attention span.
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  • Profile picture of the author sogeshirts
    I like to mix it up. Usually I tend to write longer emails but today since it is the Fourth of July I went for a short content email and a link to the new blog post I just wrote.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethriley
    Im in the IM niche...

    Short and sweet is the best for conversions if you only want to get the clicks. They can be good for sales as well, but you have to make sure it's very targeted and you can explain the benefits in a few words. I prefer short email simply because I hate reading long-winded emails. I would much rather read about it on the product page.

    Long-winded email can be good if you are an amazing writer and you know how to keep your audience engaged. But for me, short and sweet is the best for conversions.

    But every list is different..

    -Seth
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Sometimes I will have less than 100 words if I'm liking to something on my blog that I want them to click through to and read.

    The more you say the more chance you have of putting them off at times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Donimo
    I think it really depends on the list. For example, if you have 'casual users' on your list (for example, those who browse FB all day, have a fast social life etc) I find that SHORT emails work best.

    However, if you are targeting a very specific group of people and you are sending them something you know they want to read about and are interested in, then longer emails can work.

    There is no right or wrong answer to this.
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  • Profile picture of the author PearBuzz
    Make your emails straight to the point and as short as possible. Don't want to lose the readers attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author franamico
    In non IM niches, you must provide value. Send articles (PLR) interspersed with links. To find out what is really needed in your market niche, look at forums and Yahoo Answers for example.
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