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I got started online in 2005 and it actually seemed like I got in during the glory days of online business. There were new webmasters that were totally green that were shooting up in the serps and making money pretty quick out of the gate. The economy was strong and adsense/affiliate payouts were great.

In a way, it kinda seemed like it was that perfect moment where the big players were still totally clueless about everything. I remembered hearing something like Office Depot didn't rank for anything in the SERPS because of its website structure and the only money they spent on PPC was on the keyword "Office Depot"

Then the economy softened, affiliate companies went bust, adsense payouts shrunk, and Google had some big updates. All the sudden, people that were getting used to making some money online saw their income go "POOF". These were people that were relying strictly on Google traffic to Adsense income AND people that thought they actually were diversified.

There are 2 things that are very sad about that:

1) A lot of these sites actually were getting quite a bit of "free" traffic and they have nothing to show for it...no customers, no email list, no affiliates, etc.

2) They still don't realize where they have gone wrong. The only question they can ask is "How can i recover from Penguin updates?!?!?!"

I consider myself fortunate because I think early on I learned some important lessons that really struck a cord from me:

1) From Corey Rudl, start an email list. I did that right out of the gate.

2) From Dan Kennedy I learned "Never be reliant on ONE thing. One customer, one key employee, one traffic source, one supplier"

3) From Rich Schefren who taught at a Stompernet conference and said that it's ok to leverage the free stuff, but to build a business at the same time so you don't have to rely on the free stuff. Because one day, that stuff isn't going to be free. Competition will get more fierce.

I think I look around at all the people that, at one time, were successful online and see that they made all these mistakes and now are throwing in the towel. I don't know, to me it's sad. It's kinda like seeing some dude from HS that was fun-loving and funny and now you see them 20 years later and they are out of shape and down on life.

The good news is that there is a whole crop of people making money, but I don't buy that it's anywhere near the success that we were seeing in the mid-2000's.

What do you think? When you look around at your peers that started at the same time as you, what's the outlook?
#kinda #sad
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Many are gone. Many are stronger than ever.
      And many are coming.

      Who will teach them? Hmmm...

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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It all goes back to quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author sivricmarijan
    There is no quality these days. Everything is about the quantity. Just look at 99% of WSO products...great sales letter, but content worth nothing! Everyone claims to make thousand of dollars per month and they can teach you to do the same, but when you buy their product, you mostly don't learn anything new!
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by sivricmarijan View Post

      There is no quality these days. Everything is about the quantity. Just look at 99% of WSO products...great sales letter, but content worth nothing! Everyone claims to make thousand of dollars per month and they can teach you to do the same, but when you buy their product, you mostly don't learn anything new!
      We can learn more from a great sales letter than a great product any day.

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      • Profile picture of the author ClearSolution
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        We can learn more from a great sales letter than a great product any day.

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        110% true. The real gold is how they are selling to you and how you are responding to it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Saul
          [slightly off topic maybe? sowwy]

          Originally Posted by ClearSolution View Post

          110% true. The real gold is how they are selling to you and how you are responding to it.
          yeah but if you can't access the metrics of a sales copy (conversion rates etc) how can you tell if it's good copy or not? It might look awesome, but convert zero... which equals to a really bad sales page.

          On the other hand it might look really bad and it converts like crazy (and I have seen examples of this kind, with websites intentionally made to look amateurish) which makes it a great sales letter.

          How *I* respond to a sales letter is irrelevant. I want to know how LOTS of potential customers react to it ;-)

          in short, without knowing the numbers generated by a sales letter it's not really easy to tell if it's a good one or not :/

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      Originally Posted by sivricmarijan View Post

      There is no quality these days. Everything is about the quantity. Just look at 99% of WSO products...great sales letter, but content worth nothing! Everyone claims to make thousand of dollars per month and they can teach you to do the same, but when you buy their product, you mostly don't learn anything new!
      It's relative. Think along............ Beginners, Intermediates and experts. A WSO which looks like craps for expert IMer, perhaps may be a gem for beginner.
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    • Profile picture of the author ClearSolution
      Originally Posted by sivricmarijan View Post

      There is no quality these days. Everything is about the quantity. Just look at 99% of WSO products...great sales letter, but content worth nothing! Everyone claims to make thousand of dollars per month and they can teach you to do the same, but when you buy their product, you mostly don't learn anything new!
      If you haven't learned anything new, than I think its time you start building your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
    The "glory days" of IM were just making stupidly unrealistic claims to people busting their asses trying to provide a better life for themselves and their loved once.

    The "glory days" you speak of were nothing more than big names manipulating the smaller guys with wild claims of "finally making it... if you buy my product... I mean... maybe dont' buy the product... but what if THIS was the last secret you needed to make it?!?!"

    They weren't glory days. They were just people having too much faith in the big names. That was why I disappeared for a couple of years. It hurt to see people busting their asses day in and day out with their eyes on the prize, only to have some person they trusted manipulate them and knock them back down.

    The "glory days" were just the "internet marketing cartel."
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    • Profile picture of the author Saul
      Originally Posted by MouseandMice View Post

      The "glory days" were just the "internet marketing cartel."
      sounds like someone burned you bad :/

      I actually liked it a lot more when there was only a handful of marketers to follow and a handful of tactics that would work (yeah, I'm that lazy! lol). I consider myself so lucky to have witnessed the birth of so many new ways to do business online, because I knew the basics beforehand and now I know what to watch out for (yeah I got burned a few times too in the past and I learned from those experiences too ;-)

      I really really don't envy newbies today: it was fascinating at the time to see search engines evolve, PPC, blogs, social networks (just to mention a few things!), etc. Things happened one at a time and it was easy to keep up.

      Someone starting today will look around and find over 10000 marketers telling him/her what to do (amongst which way more scammers than there used to be), about a gazillion ways to set up a website, 50 different payment processors, hundreds of different ways to generate traffic... I can imagine it to be so scary for someone without any previous marketing know how...

      yeah, if I had to start all again from scratch, despite the million more ways to make money online available now, I would still want to start from the beginning...when the "internet marketing cartel" thrived ;-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
      Originally Posted by MouseandMice View Post

      The "glory days" of IM were just making stupidly unrealistic claims to people busting their asses trying to provide a better life for themselves and their loved once.

      The "glory days" you speak of were nothing more than big names manipulating the smaller guys with wild claims of "finally making it... if you buy my product... I mean... maybe dont' buy the product... but what if THIS was the last secret you needed to make it?!?!"

      They weren't glory days. They were just people having too much faith in the big names. That was why I disappeared for a couple of years. It hurt to see people busting their asses day in and day out with their eyes on the prize, only to have some person they trusted manipulate them and knock them back down.

      The "glory days" were just the "internet marketing cartel."
      Pretty sure that still happens. If anything, it should've been easier to spot back when it was just a handful of people promoting each others stuff. Every week, you'd get some email from one of the big names hyping up this product even more than before. And they'd use the "disclaimer" of "Hey, this isn't for everyone. It's only for people that are serious about making money and want to work"
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  • Profile picture of the author curationsoft
    everyone learn from their experiences. and your choices count the most where your career want to leads you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rebeccha Haase
    There will be huge money makers at 2050 and even further. Trends are changing and people are adding new ideas at their business to make more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dee Syed
    It's hard to compare back to the 2000's because the game has changed in such a BIG way since back then. Marketers are more savvy. Consumers are more savvy. Even our folks know about uploading and sharing content and doing more stuff online than they've ever done. The marketers who were raking it in then were largely the if-then-else mentality.

    If you buy my product, then you'll make money in your sleep, else you'll suck... kind of thing.

    It just doesn't work anymore. Even back then, unless you had some serious clout, you'd be struggling. I know I did. In fact, after years trying out this that and the other, it's only in the past few that I've learned that EVERYTHING the gurus went on about is right. Stick to what you love, forget the distractions and magic pills and just put your time and energy into "making" something work instead of "hoping" it will work.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Maybe they've invested the money made from all those
    years ago into other business ventures.

    Just a thought!
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