Can Moderators give themselves special treatment in WSO's?

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I don't know how many moderators this forum as. Though there was a WSO where I did nothing except ask if any of the people who reviewed it would post their actual results, and asked the seller if he had any proof of his claims. Not anything that many WSO sellers don't get asked everyday.

I subscribed to the thread and noticed in my email the seller replied, saying that income claims could be faked so he doesn't bother showing them. I went back to the thread to ask another question I had first, and saw that both my post and the sellers reply was deleted and missing. So instead of asking the question I was going to ask, I just asked what happened to our posts and why are they gone?

Never got an answer. Instead I just went back to check on the thread now to see and sure enough, my question about why our posts were deleted is deleted!

I seriously can't imagine why the moderators would remove such a common and non negative question that gets asked and never deleted on other WSO threads. And I can't imagine the moderators would be biased to favor and protect this WSO seller over others. So the only thing I can think of is that this seller most be one of the moderators himself, which is why he is biased to himself in keeping his WSO threads clear of any type of questions or posts he doesn't like or thinks could affect his sales.

Is that really fair? When all the other WSO sellers have to actually interact and not able to delete the questions they don't like. Having to rely on the other mods to delete ones that ACTUALLY deeserve to be deleted? (If I'm right about this member being a moderator then I won't be surprised if this thread is deleted).
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  • Profile picture of the author Saul
    I don't know if they did in this case, but in general terms if they don't give themselves special treatment I don't see why they shouldn't. Perks of the job.

    Again - I want to stress I don't know what happened there or who was involved, but personally I wouldn't have a problem if the people working to make this forum a better place had some perks to go with the job. Sounds just fair to me. Hard work (and I believe moderating this forum could be a LOT of hard work) should have its perks.

    That's what happens in the real world anyway, and this place being online doens't make it part of fantasyland. It's still very much a place affected by "real world" facts (i.e. stuff happens and people working hard get support from their peers, and no that is not "unfair" in any way shape or form, in my opinion).

    Also not knowing your exact wording (in the posts that were deleted) makes it very hard to make any call on the issue.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      So the only thing I can think of is that this seller most be one of the moderators himself, which is why he is biased to himself in keeping his WSO threads clear of any type of questions or posts he doesn't like or thinks could affect his sales.
      The limits of your imagination do not define the boundaries of reality.

      I find it extremely unlikely that the person who deleted the post is the seller in whatever thread you're talking about. As far as I know, there are only 2 mods who can delete things in the WSO section and might have paid WSOs going at the moment. One of them only ever sells design work.

      Why might such a post be deleted?

      You may have phrased it in a way that was inappropriately rude for the WSO section.

      Someone else may have asked the question already.

      You may have dragged too many irrelevant issues into it, like going on a rant about the sales process.

      It may have been part of a series of posts that looked more like an attack than a legitimate request for proof.

      There may not have been any claims made, in which case no proof is needed.

      You may have been asking for results from customers before any could reasonably be expected to have been achieved. (ie, too little time for implementation.)

      Or some other reason I haven't considered. We don't just delete questions like that without cause.

      You really need to muscle up those logical legs before you try leaping tall conclusions in a single bound. Otherwise, you'll just bounce off a wall and look silly.

      Comments like you made here are often picked up by similarly logically-challenged people and repeated as fact, when they're nothing but evidence of a lack of knowledge or experience on the original poster's part. That is not only unhelpful, it's actively destructive, with no legitimate purpose to the damage done.


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      • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        The limits of your imagination do not define the boundaries of reality.
        It was only a question to find out if it'd be possible or has happened before, not an accusation. Based on some paranoia sure, though still not an accusation, which is why I didn't name the person as that would be unfair without any proof or knowledge.

        Why might such a post be deleted?

        You may have phrased it in a way that was inappropriately rude for the WSO section.
        Nope. Wasn't rude at all. I've seen the same question hundreds of times and never any problems. And I didn't phrase it in a rude way.

        I simply asked "The reviewers haven't come back to post their results, so do you have any proof of your own income claims?"

        And there was a very specific income claim in the title and sales copy. If the seller says he doesn't want to share proof then that's fine with me, I just won't give it as much trust then. Though to simply ask I don't think is rude.

        Someone else may have asked the question already.
        Nope. As always I read every post in a thread before I reply to it, unlike most people.

        You may have dragged too many irrelevant issues into it, like going on a rant about the sales process.
        Nope. The above was all I wrote.

        It may have been part of a series of posts that looked more like an attack than a legitimate request for proof.
        Nope. Only 1 single post.


        There may not have been any claims made, in which case no proof is needed.
        Nope. Income claims were part of the title even. Not that proof is required when claims are made, though certainty not out of the ordinary and rude for someone to ask if there are any when claims are made.

        You may have been asking for results from customers before any could reasonably be expected to have been achieved. (ie, too little time for implementation.)
        Nope. The thread and reviews were 4 months old already, certainly enough time for something if people wanted to share. I only commented that they hadn't, did not demand they do or anything.

        Or some other reason I haven't considered. We don't just delete questions like that without cause.
        I'd like to know the cause then. If simply asking if a seller has proof for claims they decide to make is against the rules then perhaps that should clearly added to the public rules so we all know to never ask a seller that question.

        You really need to muscle up those logical legs before you try leaping tall conclusions in a single bound. Otherwise, you'll just bounce off a wall and look silly.
        How ironic. Just like I jumped to a possible presumption, everyone else has done the same to me in their presumptions of why it MUST had been clearly my fault and that my post fit into one of the above criteria. Didn't fit into any of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

          I seriously can't imagine why the moderators would remove such a common and non negative question that gets asked and never deleted on other WSO threads. And I can't imagine the moderators would be biased to favor and protect this WSO seller over others. So the only thing I can think of is that this seller most be one of the moderators himself, which is why he is biased to himself in keeping his WSO threads clear of any type of questions or posts he doesn't like or thinks could affect his sales.

          Is that really fair? When all the other WSO sellers have to actually interact and not able to delete the questions they don't like. Having to rely on the other mods to delete ones that ACTUALLY deeserve to be deleted? (If I'm right about this member being a moderator then I won't be surprised if this thread is deleted).
          Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

          It was only a question to find out if it'd be possible or has happened before, not an accusation. Based on some paranoia sure, though still not an accusation, which is why I didn't name the person as that would be unfair without any proof or knowledge.

          That is strange.

          You say you were not making an accusation, but your original post read just like an accusation.

          Sure, you tossed in phrases like "I cannot imagine", but nevertheless, you appeared to be suggesting that a moderator cleaned the thread of your comments to protect his own sales.

          Then you suggested that you we might see this thread deleted also, to protect the reputation of the moderator in control of that WSO.



          As to why that set of posts might have been deleted is that your question and the sellers reply might be a distraction to the people who are looking to purchase the product.

          If the seller told you that he would not provide proof of income -- income that can be faked by anyone with PhotoShop -- then how does that conversation add value to the sales thread for the people who might come along later?

          It doesn't. It is simply a distraction to those who might want to judge the product based on the value that has been shown to potential buyers in the thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            That is strange.

            You say you were not making an accusation, but your original post read just like an accusation.

            Sure, you tossed in phrases like "I cannot imagine", but nevertheless, you appeared to be suggesting that a moderator cleaned the thread of your comments to protect his own sales.

            Then you suggested that you we might see this thread deleted also, to protect the reputation of the moderator in control of that WSO.
            No I was only describing out loud my thought process in trying to figure out the reason. First thinking maybe there was something wrong with my question, then thinking no the same question and wording gets asked daily almost, then thinking maybe some mods like this seller more, then thinking no not likely, maybe the seller himself is a mod? Only the process of my own questioning, nothing more. If it was an accusation I would of been certain about it, not questioning it.


            If the seller told you that he would not provide proof of income -- income that can be faked by anyone with PhotoShop -- then how does that conversation add value to the sales thread for the people who might come along later?

            It doesn't. It is simply a distraction to those who might want to judge the product based on the value that has been shown to potential buyers in the thread.
            Really, then why does the same question and answer not get deleted from most other ones? It adds value cause others might have the same question and then don't have to ask it as it's already answered. So same value as any other FAQ.
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            • Profile picture of the author tpw
              Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

              If the seller told you that he would not provide proof of income -- income that can be faked by anyone with PhotoShop -- then how does that conversation add value to the sales thread for the people who might come along later?

              It doesn't. It is simply a distraction to those who might want to judge the product based on the value that has been shown to potential buyers in the thread.

              Really, then why does the same question and answer not get deleted from most other ones? It adds value cause others might have the same question and then don't have to ask it as it's already answered. So same value as any other FAQ.

              Here, let me show you my PayPal screenshot...




              Just because you can see "my proof" does not make "my proof" real... :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
                Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                Here, let me show you my PayPal screenshot...




                Just because you can see "my proof" does not make "my proof" real... :rolleyes:
                How is that relevant to the mere question of it being against the forum rules and worthy of being deleted anytime someone dare ask it? Most people ask for video.
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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

                  How is that relevant to the mere question of it being against the forum rules and worthy of being deleted anytime someone dare ask it? Most people ask for video.

                  And videos can be faked too... Just not as easily...

                  Anyone in their right mind, who is doing business online, is not going to show you the proof you wanted.

                  Reason?

                  The FTC is very touchy about how we frame "income claims" in our sales letters.

                  It is not enough to put a disclaimer that you may not make any money or that the offer is for educational and entertainment purposes only.

                  If we put together the disclaimer incorrectly, we could be the next Frank Kern -- one of the huge marketers who lost everything as the result of a FTC investigation into his online business. (Please note that I said "investigation" and not "conviction". With the FTC, you don't have to be guilty to lose everything to them in attorney fees and seizures.)

                  The safest way to avoid trouble with the FTC over proof of income is to not share any proof of income in our sales pages.

                  Like it or not, the vendor did not want to share proof of income with you in his sales page -- either because his proof didn't exist OR because it did exist and he didn't want to lay out a land mine for himself with the FTC.

                  You asked if there was proof of income. The vendor said no. So, at that point, if the vendor requests your post and his response deleted from the thread, it is his right to do so.

                  He answered your question. Then your question was deleted. You got your answer.

                  If someone else had the same question, they are free to ask it again. And the vendor is also free to ask the question to be removed after the other person sees the question asked.

                  Just because other vendors have allowed the questions to remain in their threads does not mean that everyone is entitled to that information. It simply means that those other sellers did not ask for the question to be deleted.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
                    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                    And videos can be faked too... Just not as easily...

                    Anyone in their right mind, who is doing business online, is not going to show you the proof you wanted.

                    Reason?

                    The FTC is very touchy about how we frame "income claims" in our sales letters.

                    It is not enough to put a disclaimer that you may not make any money or that the offer is for educational and entertainment purposes only.

                    If we put together the disclaimer incorrectly, we could be the next Frank Kern -- one of the huge marketers who lost everything as the result of a FTC investigation into his online business. (Please note that I said "investigation" and not "conviction". With the FTC, you don't have to be guilty to lose everything to them in attorney fees and seizures.)

                    The safest way to avoid trouble with the FTC over proof of income is to not share any proof of income in our sales pages.

                    Like it or not, the vendor did not want to share proof of income with you in his sales page -- either because his proof didn't exist OR because it did exist and he didn't want to lay out a land mine for himself with the FTC.

                    You asked if there was proof of income. The vendor said no. So, at that point, if the vendor requests your post and his response deleted from the thread, it is his right to do so.

                    He answered your question. Then your question was deleted. You got your answer.

                    If someone else had the same question, they are free to ask it again. And the vendor is also free to ask the question to be removed after the other person sees the question asked.

                    Just because other vendors have allowed the questions to remain in their threads does not mean that everyone is entitled to that information. It simply means that those other sellers did not ask for the question to be deleted.

                    You're stating about the FTC and "income claims". Which means they need do nothing more than make the actual claim and statement for it to apply. Has nothing to do with prooving those claims (whether the proof is honest or not). If the claim is made then they're actually safer to back it up with something.

                    I rarely ever see disclaimers given at all in WSO thread sales letters and they are no where to be found on this sellers thread. So if he was so concerned about backing up his claim being bad for the FTC, then he surely would of posted a disclaimer in his sales copy that made the claim.

                    So you're saying that 'officially' now, this is both an unacceptable question for anyone to ask a seller and unacceptable for any seller to show any type of proof?
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                    • Profile picture of the author tpw
                      Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

                      So you're saying that 'officially' now, this is both an unacceptable question for anyone to ask a seller and unacceptable for any seller to show any type of proof?

                      I am not a moderator, so I cannot tell you if it is "officially" acceptable or unacceptable.

                      As a person who sells products on this site occasionally, all I can say is that I will not provide the proof of income that you seek if you are attempting to buy my products.

                      If that is unacceptable to you, then don't buy my products.


                      p.s. If the seller made a claim of income and did not post a disclaimer, the person who convinced him to take that step is a fool...
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                      • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
                        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                        I am not a moderator, so I cannot tell you if it is "officially" acceptable or unacceptable.

                        As a person who sells products on this site occasionally, all I can say is that I will not provide the proof of income that you seek if you are attempting to buy my products.

                        If that is unacceptable to you, then don't buy my products.
                        Would you make the claim though? That's dangerous territory in itself. Anyone who makes a claim of any sort, opens themselves up to questions about their claims.
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                        • Profile picture of the author tpw
                          Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

                          Would you make the claim though? That's dangerous territory in itself. Anyone who makes a claim of any sort, opens themselves up to questions about their claims.

                          No. I will not make a claim to "future potential earnings".

                          But, not everyone is as cautious as I am.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
                            Ok. Delete this thread already. Sorry I asked!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Meharis
                              Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

                              Ok. Delete this thread already. Sorry I asked!

                              Plugin Profits,

                              Have you considered you may be wrong?

                              Do you realize that accepting your mistake everything will be
                              forgotten and most like it everyone will respect you for it?

                              Meharis
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                              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                Plugin Profits,
                                It was only a question to find out if it'd be possible or has happened before, not an accusation. Based on some paranoia sure, though still not an accusation, which is why I didn't name the person as that would be unfair without any proof or knowledge.
                                Perhaps you might benefit from a closer look at the way you phrase things. The word 'confrontational' sums up the feel of the posts I've seen from you in the WSO section. Whether that's your intent or not is another question.

                                Since the thread in question is closed, it was clearly not a mod "protecting" their sales. That being the case, you might ask yourself, "Why do my posts on this topic get deleted, while others' don't?"

                                What you suggested is certainly possible. That said, I've never seen it happen. The mods who have that level of access are unlikely to delete things from their own threads they wouldn't remove from any other.

                                BTW... If you're referring to the thread I think you are, that was closed within about 10 minutes of having been brought to my attention by another member. I put a note at the top of the thread explaining why.

                                To report problems, use the little red triangle to the lower left of the post. Click that, fill in the details of the problem, and submit it. That goes to the moderation queue and gets looked at.

                                We don't read every post that's made every day. Someone did the math recently (I think it was WillR) and figured out that we averaged over 4000 non-spam posts per day over the past year, so that would be impossible to do. But we see every report to the mods.
                                How ironic. Just like I jumped to a possible presumption, everyone else has done the same to me in their presumptions of why it MUST had been clearly my fault and that my post fit into one of the above criteria. Didn't fit into any of them.
                                In your opinion. But you seem to have a different standard for what might be seen as being too rude for that part of the forum, and you clearly haven't read the rules for the WSO section.

                                I didn't assume anything about the reason for the deletion, personally. I listed a number of likely possibilities, with the clear statement that it might be something I hadn't thought of.

                                Dudeman,
                                I've had perfectly helpful and informative threads deleted or locked without explanation.
                                Did they look like articles? Or were they more like your comment in response to a spam this afternoon: "WTF?! What is this s__t?"

                                Complaining about spam doesn't help. Reporting it does.

                                Without seeing the posts/threads in question, I can only offer some thoughts about why they might have been deleted. If they look like articles, appear self-promotional, tend toward (or develop into) nasty arguments, cover topics not allowed here, or are excessively bumped by the OP, they're very likely to get deleted or closed.

                                There are other reasons, but those are the big ones.


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                                • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
                                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                  Since the thread in question is closed, it was clearly not a mod "protecting" their sales. That being the case, you might ask yourself, "Why do my posts on this topic get deleted, while others' don't?"
                                  No it wasn't that thread. It is one that's been up a while by a long time warrior who I've never disrespected or was ever confrontational with, which was why I was surprised by it. It was the first and only time my posts have ever been deleted on this forum, so I guess I over reacted to that and jumped to possible conclusions I hadn't thought enough about first. Though my behavior is instance specific, so just cause I might act one way in a certain situation, doesn't mean I'm that way all the time or to everyone, even though people might assume that.


                                  To report problems, use the little red triangle to the lower left of the post. Click that, fill in the details of the problem, and submit it. That goes to the moderation queue and gets looked at.
                                  I'll do that for now on. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction for future incidences.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
                                Originally Posted by Meharis View Post

                                Plugin Profits,

                                Have you considered you may be wrong?

                                Do you realize that accepting your mistake everything will be
                                forgotten and most like it everyone will respect you for it?

                                Meharis
                                I don't think my original post on this particular seller's thread (who no one has seen) was wrong to ask or even worded badly in that particular case.

                                And as far as being wrong about what I had gotten paranoid about, I'll never actually know if I was wrong or not, though I realize now how it is far more unlikely than I was imagining in my paranoid sleep deprived state of mind yesterday.

                                Though I do admit it was wrong to jump to conclusions and publically voice my paranoia in an assuming way when it was nothing more than my paranoia and the knowledge that it could simply be 'possible' to go on. That's hardly enough reason to assume anything and I impulsively over reacted. I don't think the same things I was thinking yesterday about it anymore. I doubt that's what had happened now. So thanks everyone for helping me see it more rationally.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                        I am not a moderator, so I cannot tell you if it is "officially" acceptable or unacceptable.

                        As a person who sells products on this site occasionally, all I can say is that I will not provide the proof of income that you seek if you are attempting to buy my products.

                        If that is unacceptable to you, then don't buy my products.
                        I didn't see this offer, but she said that an income claim was made in the title and in the copy, but with no proof of those claims. She merely asked for proof of what he was claiming. He didn't have the usual FTC disclaimer "don't believe a word of the above sales pitch because you prolly won't make a dime" on the listing.

                        When I see income claims on Flippa listings, I want to see proof that the website is actually making the money they claim and of course, if they will not provide that proof, I wouldn't touch it. Same with a WSO, although I never buy "method" WSOs or WSOs with promised income claims.

                        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                        p.s. If the seller made a claim of income and did not post a disclaimer, the person who convinced him to take that step is a fool...
                        I submit that the seller is the fool. They bear complete responsibility for their offers. I doubt that he gave the FTC a moment's thought and I rarely ever see an FTC friendly disclaimer on WSOs although the WSO forum is awash with listings that make bold income claims.

                        My only comment about her posts in WSO threads is that they are confrontational. It wasn't only the one thread that is now closed. It's simply the way she says things that are "off" for that section. That being said, if you can't or won't prove an income claim, do you really expect people to believe them?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          I submit that the seller is the fool. They bear complete responsibility for their offers. I doubt that he gave the FTC a moment's thought and I rarely ever see an FTC friendly disclaimer on WSOs although the WSO forum is awash with listings that make bold income claims.
                          This. Exactly.

                          (And let's not forget - just as an afterthought - that people buying WSO's which make an income-claim in the heading are also, themselves, in a different way, being foolish ).
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      • Profile picture of the author Beatinest
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        The limits of your imagination do not define the boundaries of reality.
        Wow! Heavy stuff right there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
          Originally Posted by Beatinest View Post

          Wow! Heavy stuff right there.
          Cool quote right there. Though with the word "limits" the way I take the sentence is reality is even crazier than your imagination could conceive. Which is very true. Could we ever truly imagine the vast undiscoverable realm of reality? No, cause we're pretty limited in our capacity of perception.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
    I don't know why your original question about income claim was deleted; but I do know why your thread asking WHY it was deleted was deleted.

    Please remember that there are rules on the Warrior Forum. In the "New members - Please read this!" page, rule #5 tells you what NOT to do when a thread is deleted. Other rules go on to talk more about deleted posts and threads. This page is found under the FAQ section up there on the toolbar. Very useful section.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Well it depends a lot on how you worded your post. I think that's why it got deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Hey PP,
    Sorry to see, you feel a bit stood on by the deleting. But you have to see the bigger picture here, when it comes to businesses operating out of the WSO section.

    In the very short time I've been here, I have personally seen a lot of what could only be described as cut throat espionage between some sellers. Or simply just Trolls, trying to piss on somebodies Parade.

    Far too much of it goes on within threads, where people make posts/questions with ill intent towards the seller. And in turn, this has led to sellers becoming very proactive in having posts deleted, when it comes to anything that even remotely looking like it.

    Most sellers have set ups such as. FAQ sections, Off-site support ticketing, and the Mother of all, a Private Message Box on WarriorForum.

    The way I read the posting rules for WSO is very simple.
    • If you are not a paid customer of the product/service. You have no right to post within the thread. This is a business after all.

    Those products cost money to create.
    Those WSO sales pages cost money to build,
    And keeping those threads bumped costs money too.

    It would be very unfair to a seller, to allow any Old Fart with a WF account to swing by and treat it like an open forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

    Though there was a WSO where I did nothing except ask if any of the people who reviewed it would post their actual results, and asked the seller if he had any proof of his claims.
    It's really about tone and content when you post in the WSO forum. You are of course allowed some presell questions, but I noticed some of your posts in other WSO threads are more than that. They are confrontational in nature. Unless you've purchased the WSO, you cannot "review it" or make confrontational, negative posts in the WSO thread. It's not a discussion thread. It's a paid sales thread and there are specific rules or guidelines about how you post in them.

    Even if you have bought the WSO, your post or review should be fair and objective rather than confrontational, rude or overly negative.

    If you feel that you have purchased and the seller did not deliver what was promised or did not provide support or a refund if those were promised, it's a simple matter to use the red triangle and report the WSO and leave it to the mods to decide. Arguing in a WSO isn't the way to handle either presell questions or postsale reviews.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

        Not sure which posts you are referring to, as literally the only WSO that I was ever negative in was one that was clearly black hat and blantently promoting going directly against the TOS of a network to game them, while left and right the buyers were reporting getting banned for following such bad advice.

        Though if you're talking about that or any other ones which you find are "confrontational in nature" and those ones were obviously never deleted despite that, while a post that was not rude or negative was deleted, only shows to highlight the discrepancy here...
        Yes, that was the one I was talking about primarily. It's up to the seller to report posts that they want to have deleted from their threads. Only a moderator can delete them, but normally only done when they are reported, so the seller didn't report those posts.

        If you feel there's something wrong with a WSO, report it. Then it's up to the mods to decide. But you aren't supposed to be offering your opinion of it, particularly if you did not purchase it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Yes, that was the one I was talking about primarily. It's up to the seller to report posts that they want to have deleted from their threads. Only a moderator can delete them, but normally only done when they are reported, so the seller didn't report those posts.

          If you feel there's something wrong with a WSO, report it. Then it's up to the mods to decide. But you aren't supposed to be offering your opinion of it, particularly if you did not purchase it.
          Well my mistake. I didn't like seeing so many people fall for it, though I know better now.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

            Yes, that was the one I was talking about primarily. It's up to the seller to report posts that they want to have deleted from their threads. Only a moderator can delete them, but normally only done when they are reported, so the seller didn't report those posts.

            If you feel there's something wrong with a WSO, report it. Then it's up to the mods to decide. But you aren't supposed to be offering your opinion of it, particularly if you did not purchase it.

            Well my mistake. I didn't like seeing so many people fall for it, though I know better now.

            You have spent most of this thread suggesting that you were only asking for clarification from the seller. You weren't making accusations in the sales thread at all -- just asking a question.

            Now, you are saying that you "didn't like seeing so many people fall for" the WSO in question.

            If you felt that people were "falling for something", then I seriously doubt that your post in the WSO thread was anything less than an attempt to derail the sales thread, based on your disbelief of the claims made by the seller.

            If you want to win friends and influence people, try being a little more transparent and a little less deceptive about your intentions.



            p.s. Most people who buy products in the WSO sub-forum and go on to make money with them seldom come back to the thread to report how successful they were using the product.
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            • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              You have spent most of this thread suggesting that you were only asking for clarification from the seller. You weren't making accusations in the sales thread at all -- just asking a question.

              Now, you are saying that you "didn't like seeing so many people fall for" the WSO in question.

              If you felt that people were "falling for something", then I seriously doubt that your post in the WSO thread was anything less than an attempt to derail the sales thread, based on your disbelief of the claims made by the seller.

              If you want to win friends and influence people, try being a little more transparent and a little less deceptive about your intentions.



              p.s. Most people who buy products in the WSO sub-forum and go on to make money with them seldom come back to the thread to report how successful they were using the product.
              No that was an entirely different WSO were I did say something negative in it as someone pointed out (the only one I ever had). It wasn't the WSO in question where I asked nothing negative. The WSO mentioned is now closed and the seller banned, so I was not off in what I blantently saw in that one. Only in that I should of only reported it and not said anything in it. It was going bad though with every other buyer stating they got banned following it and the seller constantly saying no one has ever been banned for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

    (If I'm right about this member being a moderator then I won't be surprised if this thread is deleted).
    I wouldn't be at all surprised if this thread was deleted on account of every word you have written in the OP.

    And I can't imagine the moderators would be biased to favor and protect this WSO seller over others.
    So the only thing I can think of is that this seller most be one of the moderators himself, which is why he is biased to himself in keeping his WSO threads clear of any type of questions or posts he doesn't like or thinks could affect his sales.
    You can't imagine it, yet it's the only thing you can think of? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      You can't imagine it, yet it's the only thing you can think of? :confused:
      I said I couldn't imagine moderators would be biased towards certain sellers, who are not themself. Read it more carefully.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Moderators give themselves special treatment in WSO's
      Hmmm,

      I bet you're a follower of a lot of left field conspiracy theories, aren't ya? :p


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Terra,

        You noticed that, eh? First one to mention the effect of the title. I am not surprised it was you.

        Here's a useful lesson, folks. Putting a question mark at the end of a statement is an interesting technique. It plants a definitive message while being ostensibly non-committal. Sometimes it's conscious, sometimes not, but it's always a Big Red Flag that what you're about to read should be viewed with caution.

        BTW, I looked over some of her posts. Suzanne nailed it. The OP clearly has not read and understood the rules for the WSO section. Or else she believes, for some reason, they don't apply to her.

        If she continues on a premeditatedly destructive path, she'll soon discover how wrong that notion can be.


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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Putting a question mark at the end of a statement is an interesting technique.
          It is a pet peeve of mine and not well received in my household. Instead of asking a question, it is a statement cloaking as a "pretend question."

          (It is similar to the challenge in the OP about the thread being deleted, for the obvious purpose of not having it deleted.)

          I'm not sure what this technique is called, or if anyone has tested it in a marketing context.

          Is Google wiping out small websites?

          versus

          Google is wiping out small websites?

          - or -

          Is this the best SEO product?

          versus

          This is the best SEO product?


          The former asks a question, which draws someone in to keep reading to find out the answer. The latter is active and not passive.

          Anyway, I believe there was one mod banned from the forum due to a WSO, but those types of facts are ignored if one wants to speculate about mods giving their WSO threads special treatment.

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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Brian,
            (It is similar to the challenge in the OP about the thread being deleted, for the obvious purpose of not having it deleted.)
            True. That's about as lame as it gets, but we usually ignore that level of amateurism.

            I never recommend anyone for moderator status if their ego is that easily hooked.
            Anyway, I believe there was one mod banned from the forum due to a WSO, but those types of facts are ignored if one wants to speculate about mods giving their WSO threads special treatment.
            Facts? What are these "facts" of which you speak? Mere inconsequential stepping stones, over which we may blithely skip if the urge takes us...

            Blecccch.


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          • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            It is a pet peeve of mine and not well received in my household. Instead of asking a question, it is a statement cloaking as a "pretend question."

            Is Google wiping out small websites?

            versus

            Google is wiping out small websites?

            My title meant to say "Can Moderators give themselves special treatment..." though I misstyped it and didn't see it again until now cause my battery died as soon as I hit submit. I usually proofread what I write and edit, though couldn't in this case since I didn't have time to.
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      • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Hmmm,

        I bet you're a follower of a lot of left field conspiracy theories, aren't ya? :p


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        Nope! Not at all actually. What I was paranoid about here is not far out or out of the realm of possibility (or human nature) at all. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

          Nope! Not at all actually. What I was paranoid about here is not far out or out of the realm of possibility (or human nature) at all. :rolleyes:
          Perhaps not in human nature in general, but I'm confidant that the admin here holds higher standards for his moderators than general, average human nature. I don't see moderators flaming and burning and being banned from here every day like I do those that operate in "general human nature."

          Self control and maturity can work wonders in behaving above general human nature.

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          • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Perhaps not in human nature in general, but I'm confidant that the admin here holds higher standards for his moderators than general, average human nature. I don't see moderators flaming and burning and being banned from here every day like I do those that operate in "general human nature."

            Self control and maturity can work wonders in behaving above general human nature.

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            Well perhaps I was off in my thinking, or in rather in my impulsive questioning out loud of the initial doubt I got. I just couldn't figure out what could be wrong with what I asked or the way I asked it, as there was nothing I could think of. And being censored for what appears to be no reason made it feel like the seller had something to hide, why else would they have issue with being transparent? I didn't mean to cause controversy or accuse anything I know nothing of, I only felt bothered by the doubt and not knowing, which is why I had a difficult time keeping the doubt to myself. I do feel more reassured now though.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

          Nope! Not at all actually. What I was paranoid about here is not far out or out of the realm of possibility (or human nature) at all. :rolleyes:
          Well, it's been closed now so you likely had a point. It's quicker to just report it if you feel there's something wrong with the WSO and want to protect other buyers. Whether there's something wrong with it is a call that only the mods can make.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

    I seriously can't imagine why the moderators would remove such a common and non negative question that gets asked and never deleted on other WSO threads. And I can't imagine the moderators would be biased to favor and protect this WSO seller over others. So the only thing I can think of is that this seller most be one of the moderators himself, which is why he is biased to himself in keeping his WSO threads clear of any type of questions or posts he doesn't like or thinks could affect his sales.
    Doesn't surprise me in the least, and this place has an "interesting" history that will make for a good movie. The moderators have been pissing me off lately with their childish antics and I've just about had it.

    I've had perfectly helpful and informative threads deleted or locked without explanation. I've had other threads just disappear without any rational explanation (either explicit or implied). I don't break any of the explicit rules of the forum and I'm not a scammer/spammer which is highly insulting, since I'm a paying customer here. As are many others with similar grievences.

    The mods (or a few who I'd really like to meet) seem to exercise their censorship based on their own subjective whims, and not on the rules of the forum. So yeah they make it up as they go along. This thread will probably be censored as well. Damned trolls.Screenshot!
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    • Profile picture of the author Plugin Profits
      Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

      Doesn't surprise me in the least, and this place has an "interesting" history that will make for a good movie. The moderators have been pissing me off lately with their childish antics and I've just about had it.

      I've had perfectly helpful and informative threads deleted or locked without explanation. I've had other threads just disappear without any rational explanation (either explicit or implied). I don't break any of the explicit rules of the forum and I'm not a scammer/spammer which is highly insulting, since I'm a paying customer here. As are many others with similar grievences.

      The mods (or a few who I'd really like to meet) seem to exercise their censorship based on their own subjective whims, and not on the rules of the forum. So yeah they make it up as they go along. This thread will probably be censored as well. Damned trolls.Screenshot!
      Finally one person who doesn't think I was totally crazy for wondering!
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
        Originally Posted by Plugin Profits View Post

        Finally one person who doesn't think I was totally crazy for wondering!
        Great, maybe the two of you can leave Warrior Forum and go start your own community.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Finally one person who doesn't think I was totally crazy for wondering!
        Is that supposed to be relevant? There's always someone who will agree with you. Doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Doesn't mean they don't have their own axe to grind or their own agenda to promote. Doesn't mean they are supporting your views - could be only taking the opportunity to have their own rant.
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    Thats alright it will catch up to them, karma
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    I think Paul banned himself once for causing a ruckus.
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