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Hi

I've been buying WSOs of the day for some time but only recently signed up and I would like to personally thank those members who rejected my affiliate application. Thanks to you guys I was forced to look elsewhere which lead me to JVZoo and JVNotifyPro. I'm now busy setting up my first campaign; roll on the first sale, woo hoo!

Hopefully we can do business next time around.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    We are told as vendors not to approve any affiliates whom we do not personally know. There is far too much risk otherwise. It's the same whether you are using Warrior Plus or JV Zoo. You will find it hard to get approved for decent products if people do not know who you are or you can't give them a detailed run down of how you plan promoting. It's just not worth it to vendors to approve random affiliates -- the potential downside far outweighs any upside. Just ask those affiliates who have approved random affiliates before and ended up with 5 sales and 5 chargebacks. It's not good.
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    • Profile picture of the author alashim
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      We are told as vendors not to approve any affiliates whom we do not personally know. There is far too much risk otherwise. It's the same whether you are using Warrior Plus or JV Zoo. You will find it hard to get approved for decent products if people do not know who you are or you can't give them a detailed run down of how you plan promoting. It's just not worth it to vendors to approve random affiliates -- the potential downside far outweighs any upside. Just ask those affiliates who have approved random affiliates before and ended up with 5 sales and 5 chargebacks. It's not good.
      Thanks WillR, that's exactly what it says in the rules and as a member I accept that wholeheartedly.

      Like I said, hopefully there'll be future opportunities.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by alashim View Post

        Thanks WillR, that's exactly what it says in the rules and as a member I accept that wholeheartedly.

        Like I said, hopefully there'll be future opportunities.
        From a vendors point of view all you can do is try and be more visible around the marketplace so when people do see your affiliate request they are already likely to have heard of you or at least seen you before. That familiarity counts for a lot.

        Another thing you might want to do is to reply to those who reject you. As I said previously, I reject any affiliate I do not know. I never hear back from any of those affiliates I reject and so I know I made the right decision in rejecting them. But if you contacted me back (after being rejected) and explained exactly how you plan on promoting my product, it's definitely going to prove to me you are keen to promote my product and it may sway things.
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        • Profile picture of the author alashim
          [QUOTE=WillR;8306269Another thing you might want to do is to reply to those who reject you. As I said previously, I reject any affiliate I do not know. I never hear back from any of those affiliates I reject and so I know I made the right decision in rejecting them. But if you contacted me back (after being rejected) and explained exactly how you plan on promoting my product, it's definitely going to prove to me you are keen to promote my product and it may sway things.[/QUOTE]

          Thanks this is useful, hadn't even considered it at the time.

          Can I go back to a rejected application in WarriorPlus and do this?
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by alashim View Post

            What would you consider a reasonable qualifying level? And what qualities do you look for in posts from persons like myself? I ask the latter because the first thread I posted to contained some fairly ropey comments in my opinion, which seems like an easy way to build post count.
            I don't necessarily go off number of posts nor do I really go and search through a persons posts and read them. It's usually just a feeling I get from a combination of things.

            There are some immediate things you can do to make it easier for people to trust you. First of all try and use a real username that at least sounds like a regular name. Second of all use a real photo of yourself. Thirdly I would invest the money in joining the War Room. Not just because of what's in there but because it shows people you are willing to invest into the forum and your profile. Those things still do not guarantee anything but they will help. The more real you appear the easier it is for people to trust you.

            Originally Posted by alashim View Post

            Thanks this is useful, hadn't even considered it at the time.

            Can I go back to a rejected application in WarriorPlus and do this?
            I am fairly certain you can. Or just PM the member directly via the forum and explain your exact promotion strategy and anything else you can do to give them confidence in accepting you as an affiliate.
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    • Profile picture of the author articlesarthors
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      We are told as vendors not to approve any affiliates whom we do not personally know. There is far too much risk otherwise. It's the same whether you are using Warrior Plus or JV Zoo. You will find it hard to get approved for decent products if people do not know who you are or you can't give them a detailed run down of how you plan promoting. It's just not worth it to vendors to approve random affiliates -- the potential downside far outweighs any upside. Just ask those affiliates who have approved random affiliates before and ended up with 5 sales and 5 chargebacks. It's not good.
      I think this post was right on the money, most vendors are actively told not to approve random people as affilates and so this is the most probable reason you were rejected.
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  • Profile picture of the author curationsoft
    take it seriously because you can learn from the rejection of others!
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  • Profile picture of the author ninjawarrior
    Pardon my ignorance, and if I might be detracting from the topic, but what kind of risk is a vendor exposed to when he takes on an affiliate?
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    • Profile picture of the author UnkwnUsr
      Originally Posted by ninjawarrior View Post

      Pardon my ignorance, and if I might be detracting from the topic, but what kind of risk is a vendor exposed to when he takes on an affiliate?
      The risk is that the affiliate may misrepresent the product which would cause a high refund rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by ninjawarrior View Post

      Pardon my ignorance, and if I might be detracting from the topic, but what kind of risk is a vendor exposed to when he takes on an affiliate?
      In my case, a handful of people bought one of my WSO using stolen PayPal accounts - which results in the actual owner of the account having no idea who you are or why you charged them and disputing it. It's usually caught quickly, and you'll get your commission back from the affiliate if you're using Warrior+ or JVZoo, but it's not that simple and there are other complications.

      1. Many people sign up as an affiliate just to get your product for less money. You may be OK with this, but it happens a lot.

      2. The visible "refund rate" of your product will be increased. This DOES hurt your sales, because the good affiliates don't want to promote products that have had a lot of refunds. The only way to get your commission back from a bad affiliate is to use the "Refund" option in JVZoo/W+, which makes it publicly visible that you gave a refund to someone.

      3. PayPal starts applying risk factors to your sales. If you aren't in control where your sales come from, you're considered high risk. They may require a deposit or account hold in order to process your transactions. In a past affiliate-driven business I had a $50,000 hold on my account, and I personally know a couple members on WF that have holds higher than that.

      4. If the number of fraud/disputed transactions is so high that it exceeds the percentage PayPal will allow holds for, they'll close your account entirely and hold any funds that were in it for up to 6 months before releasing them to you.

      So yeah, there are a lot of good reasons to reject unknown affiliates. The best thing you can do is rather than just using the Warrior+/JVZoo systems to request access, contact the WSO seller by PM and let them know you're going to be sending over an affiliate request, how you'll promote, etc. That way when they see it, they'll make the association that you're a real person and not some foreign scammer. 100% of the scams that I dealt with were from people in Asian countries with made-up "american sounding names" and profile pics, so pay attention to the country when you get the JVZoo request and see if it matches up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by alashim View Post

    Hi

    I've been buying WSOs of the day for some time but only recently signed up and I would like to personally thank those members who rejected my affiliate application. Thanks to you guys I was forced to look elsewhere which lead me to JVZoo and JVNotifyPro. I'm now busy setting up my first campaign; roll on the first sale, woo hoo!

    Hopefully we can do business next time around.
    You have 5 posts at this time. That isn't enough for me to have confidence in allowing you to be my affiliate. It's not personal.
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    • Profile picture of the author alashim
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      You have 5 posts at this time. That isn't enough for me to have confidence in allowing you to be my affiliate. It's not personal.
      Thanks, that's interesting.

      What would you consider a reasonable qualifying level? And what qualities do you look for in posts from persons like myself? I ask the latter because the first thread I posted to contained some fairly ropey comments in my opinion, which seems like an easy way to build post count.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisDouthit
    Before you apply to promote products that are instant commission I would recommend writing the vendor and telling them a little about yourself and that you are a real affiliate. If you tell them you are an active member of JVNotifyPro and WarriorForum I am sure most would have no problem approving you.
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  • Profile picture of the author owais211
    Banned
    As you put rejection is truly great...its an avenue for success.
    Wish you well in your new endeavor!
    Good luck!
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