I need to seriously grow my list

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My list needs to grow, big time. The problem is, I'm not sure how to do it.

I've been growing my list for a couple of years, but it's still tiny. I have around 500 people on it. I think a serious internet marketer would have thousands of people on a list in that amount of time.

Right now, most of the traffic to my signup page comes from YouTube. My sign up forms convert well. 1 out of 4 times that it's displayed, I get a signup. So I guess what I really need is more traffic coming to my signup page.

Can anyone give me some tips?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
    Have you tried swaps or Solos? They are both very quick ways to grow your list.

    Of course Solo Ads cost money but are one of the best ways to get subscribers quickly. You get guaranteed clicks and the traffic is generally very good. Since you already have a list you could go straight into swaps, which essentially cost nothing! I started by doing a few solo ads and then started swapping with a tiny list of just 83 subs. Within a few months I had over 1000 subs and then kept building from there.

    A great place to find quality solo's and swaps is safe-swaps. You can join for free if you just want to buy solos or it's around $29 a month for access to unlimited swaps!

    Just be careful to mix in quality content with your swaps. If you're not sure what I'm talking about just ask. I can help you build a big list doing this whilst avoiding some of the pitfalls.
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    • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
      Mitch,

      Are solo ads normally run in email newsletters? I have tried a couple, but they must not have been legit. I got no response from them. Maybe there are people here that offer legit solo ads.

      As for swaps, I haven't done that yet. I will research it. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mikesweeney
        A lot of this depends on what niche you're in. Solos are great in the IM niche, because they're easy to obtain. In other niches, you may need to begin emailing a bunch of people. If you're not in the IM niche...I would recommend you try some light media buys to a squeeze page. BuySellAds is a good place to get going.
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        • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
          Originally Posted by Mikesweeney View Post

          A lot of this depends on what niche you're in. Solos are great in the IM niche, because they're easy to obtain. In other niches, you may need to begin emailing a bunch of people. If you're not in the IM niche...I would recommend you try some light media buys to a squeeze page. BuySellAds is a good place to get going.
          Mike,

          My niche is not internet marketing. I'm trying to sell oil paintings, oil painting ebooks and oil painting DVD's. I really like doing the ebooks. I can produce a pretty detailed ebook with a lot of photos in one day.

          Here's the link to my signup page You can learn how to oil paint with Chad Marshall, ACI

          Back when paydotcom was still a thing, I had a product going on there. A lot of people promoted it, but zero sales. That's when I found out that I could make better sales on my own with a list.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
            Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

            Mike,

            My niche is not internet marketing. I'm trying to sell oil paintings, oil painting ebooks and oil painting DVD's. I really like doing the ebooks. I can produce a pretty detailed ebook with a lot of photos in one day.

            Here's the link to my signup page You can learn how to oil paint with Chad Marshall, ACI

            Back when paydotcom was still a thing, I had a product going on there. A lot of people promoted it, but zero sales. That's when I found out that I could make better sales on my own with a list.
            Ahh, ok. In that case what you might do is contact people who's business compliments yours but is not in direct competition with you. So the first thing that comes to mind is perhaps framers of oil paintings. People on both your lists will be interested in each others offers but you would not be competing directly. I'm sure you get the idea.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
        Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

        Mitch,

        Are solo ads normally run in email newsletters? I have tried a couple, but they must not have been legit. I got no response from them. Maybe there are people here that offer legit solo ads.

        As for swaps, I haven't done that yet. I will research it. Thanks.
        Yes, a Solo is essentially a list owner sending out your email (or swipe, as it's known) but is signed by them. So you're piggy backing off of the list owners credibility with their own list and there's no other ads or offers associated with that mailing. It's a really super way to get targetted traffic!

        Mike's comment above is also quite true. It's very easy in the MMO niche. Safe-swaps are mainly the MMO niche but there are people in other niches there too.

        If it's another niche, you can easily find poeple with lists just by doing a keyword search in google and checking out the web sites that come up. If the website has an opt-in form, then the owner obviously has a list! You could contact the owner and away you go.

        With swaps, you want to find someone with a similar sized list to you and you get the same swipe sent that you were using for a Solo, except you don't pay for it. You just send their swipe to your list in return. This is where Safe-swaps comes into it's own because you have verified and trackable information for every swap.

        Hope that helps :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
          Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post

          Yes, a Solo is essentially a list owner sending out your email (or swipe, as it's known) but is signed by them. So you're piggy backing off of the list owners credibility with their own list and there's no other ads or offers associated with that mailing. It's a really super way to get targetted traffic!

          Mike's comment above is also quite true. It's very easy in the MMO niche. Safe-swaps are mainly the MMO niche but there are people in other niches there too.

          If it's another niche, you can easily find poeple with lists just by doing a keyword search in google and checking out the web sites that come up. If the website has an opt-in form, then the owner obviously has a list! You could contact the owner and away you go.

          With swaps, you want to find someone with a similar sized list to you and you get the same swipe sent that you were using for a Solo, except you don't pay for it. You just send their swipe to your list in return. This is where Safe-swaps comes into it's own because you have verified and trackable information for every swap.

          Hope that helps :-)
          Mitch,

          I'm glad you explained how solos work. What I had done in the past was placing an ad, not a solo. So it was just a text ad placed in someones email newsletter. No wonder I got no response.
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  • Profile picture of the author amithak50
    Go for paid traffic sources ,PPV traffic,7 search etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

    I guess what I really need is more traffic coming to my signup page.
    Yes ... interesting.

    Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

    My sign up forms convert well. 1 out of 4 times that it's displayed, I get a signup.
    I really like your sign-up page very much. It has enormous credibility, and just the right sort of mix of "enthusiastic promotion" and "personal information", I think? And it doesn't look like a "marketer's squeeze page" (and that's a huge plus!). Seriously, I like that a lot, and I think you've done well at putting together a nice, credible, personal opt-in page without looking "promotional". All credit to you. I see that it's exactly the kind of page you need for your intended traffic demographics. You don't want to look like "a professional marketer", and you don't, and that's a really good thing.

    Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

    Can anyone give me some tips?
    Have you thought about maybe offering content (in the form of articles) to "fine arts websites" of various kinds - there are many! - which they publish on their sites with a link to your sign-up page at the end of them? Kind of along article marketing lines? I think it could possibly work for you. It might be quite a lot of research/effort to test it out, this is the problem.

    I think your sign-up page is really nice, anyway!
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    • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Yes ... interesting.



      I really like your sign-up page very much. It has enormous credibility, and just the right sort of mix of "enthusiastic promotion" and "personal information", I think? And it doesn't look like a "marketer's squeeze page" (and that's a huge plus!). Seriously, I like that a lot, and I think you've done well at putting together a nice, credible, personal opt-in page without looking "promotional". All credit to you. I see that it's exactly the kind of page you need for your intended traffic demographics. You don't want to look like "a professional marketer", and you don't, and that's a really good thing.



      Have you thought about maybe offering content (in the form of articles) to "fine arts websites" of various kinds - there are many! - which they publish on their sites with a link to your sign-up page at the end of them? Kind of along article marketing lines? I think it could possibly work for you. It might be quite a lot of research/effort to test it out, this is the problem.

      I think your sign-up page is really nice, anyway!
      Alexa,

      Thanks for the tips. My signup form really does convert 25% of the time. I have another sign up form that converted 50% of the time. Problem is, I don't remember what webpage it was installed at ...
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      • Profile picture of the author seoparadise
        I think that most affordable and fastest way to build a list is buy buying solo ads and swap with others list owners. If you know how to market to them you will get results.
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        • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
          Find websites that are relevant with your niche and make sure the "traffic" is good. See if they have a optin form on their website (they have a list). Set up a solo ad agreement or purchase a banner ad placement..
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  • Profile picture of the author ReferralCandy
    1: Just going to add, remember that quality counts over quantity!

    2: Oil paintings is a really cool niche. You should look for all the oil painting/art forums and communities and really sink your teeth there. Have a social media presence and follow all the painters you can find. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author profmpiya
    have you tried seo, to increase your ranking in google and other search engines

    it really helps when your website is on the first page of search engines to drive traffic to your website

    70% of clicks go to websites on the first page in google

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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    Another great paid method to grow your list extremely fast, is Facebook ads. You can target specific people, and get lazer targeted people visiting your website.

    Some people whole business is around Facebook, because if used right -- it is a goldmine!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Worry less about getting more people on it and do more to get the right people, people who are qualified and targeted and WANT to be on your list + work on your conversions.

    Bigger does not necessarily mean better or more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author basse
    Solos and Swaps is the way to go! Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    The way I see it.. You have two choices.

    Choice A - learn to dominate free traffic somehow. It's up to you to find some clever exploitation that will allow mass quantities of traffic. (no blackhat stuff. you'll have to be creative and more innovative than the rest).

    Choice B - develop a funnel that is profitable when people optin and interact. Then, get mass quantities of paid traffic. (Developing an optimal funnel is the tricky part. But it's also the key to potentially profitable paid traffic ventures. Right?)



    Just my $.02
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  • Profile picture of the author themichaelcook
    Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

    My list needs to grow, big time. The problem is, I'm not sure how to do it.

    I've been growing my list for a couple of years, but it's still tiny. I have around 500 people on it. I think a serious internet marketer would have thousands of people on a list in that amount of time.

    Right now, most of the traffic to my signup page comes from YouTube. My sign up forms convert well. 1 out of 4 times that it's displayed, I get a signup. So I guess what I really need is more traffic coming to my signup page.

    Can anyone give me some tips?
    Is your list responsive?? Can you guarantee a certain amount of clicks??? If so I would very much suggest you get involved with Ad Swaps from safe-swaps or even find JV Partners here on the WF...

    If you do have money to spend then solo ads, ppc, ppv, Free WSO's are great ways to gain alot of traffic as well...
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    • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
      Originally Posted by themichaelcook View Post

      Is your list responsive?? Can you guarantee a certain amount of clicks??? If so I would very much suggest you get involved with Ad Swaps from safe-swaps or even find JV Partners here on the WF...

      If you do have money to spend then solo ads, ppc, ppv, Free WSO's are great ways to gain alot of traffic as well...
      I can't guarantee, but I have a rough idea of how many clicks. My list is around 560 right now. Pretty small. But of those 560, Around 150 to 200 of them will click a link to check out an Ebay listing. Lot of window shoppers, tho.

      Actual sales are probly around 2% or 3% of the list when I offer a new product to them. Usually an ebook or a DVD. I have tried to sell oil paintings to them, but the list is really setup wrong. My people want to learn how to paint. Not buy paintings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kiingme
    I agree with Mitch. Safe-swaps.com is a site i keep hearing about. So they must be doing something great.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geri Richmond
    Hi,
    I agree with Mitch. Solo ads are great, but, make sure you are getting good lists. Paul Counts is a good one to go to for solo ads.
    I have not done ad swaps, so really don't know much about them.
    My advice is to investigate, investigate, investigate!
    Good luck,
    Geri Richmond
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexC88
    The first thing that I would do would be to tweak the squeeze page a little bit and improve the opt-in rate as much as possible. I think that you can easily achieve a 50% opt-in rate in your niche with this squeeze page by simply highlighting the top of it and/or moving the optin-form to the right of those bullet points.

    If you manage to increase your opt-in rate to 50% (or close) then your work will be twice easier from that point on.

    The second thing that I would recommend you to do would be to set-up a blog on your website and use the squeeze page as the home page of your site.

    If you can write at least one high quality article a week on your blog and build few backlinks for each, in time it can definitly be a very good traffic source. You can use those articles to establish a "relationship" with your subscribers too - you can direct them to those articles in your follow-up.

    A blog is a must in my opinion if you want to build some sort of authority with your subscribers.

    Don`t spend to much time with SEO and backlinks ... Just write one article a week build 5-10 backlinks for each after publishing it and nothing more. If your articles are good and you share them with your list in your follow-up then your blog traffic will grow very fast - your subscribers will spread the word. (make sure you`ll use some social icons on your blog so they can share your paintings and articles all around the web).

    A fast traffic method would be to contact some small e-commerce websites in your niche (they will have a newsletter list with buyers) and convince them to promote your freebie (book a solo with them) for a small fee. The same thing can be done with other bloggers or clickbank product creators that are in the same niche as you are.

    Another very good way (probably the best in your situation) would be to use paid discovery (stumbleupon`s PPC network) and your paintings to grow your list. You can pay 0.05 per click and make your paintings/blog go viral ...

    Create a simple yet attractive page with your paintings as the "main attraction" of it, link it with your squeeze page and your "system" will go viral on stumbleupon in no time ... It`s very easy to do this in your niche using your own paintings - stumblers love good pictures.

    I recommend you to learn more about this and try it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
    I see how the list swap could work out. I looked at safe swap. The thing is, it looks like almost everyone on there is building lists around internet marketing, and not really focusing on any niche. Am I right about this?

    I'm going to do some searching and see if I can find related websites that don't really compete with me.

    Thanks for all the tips.
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    • Profile picture of the author Soulchild
      Most definitely use solo ads, swaps, and facebook ppc. These do cost money but will allow you to build a list much quicker and as you know the bigger your list, the more money you will eventually make!
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    • Profile picture of the author AlexC88
      Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

      I see how the list swap could work out. I looked at safe swap. The thing is, it looks like almost everyone on there is building lists around internet marketing, and not really focusing on any niche. Am I right about this?

      I'm going to do some searching and see if I can find related websites that don't really compete with me.

      Thanks for all the tips.
      Your list is very responsive at this moment. If you go to safe-swaps and try to swap in there (even if you find some marketers in the same niche) you will kill your list. Try to find other businesses/bloggers online for ad swaps.

      If you want to try some paid sources too, try Paid Discovery first. It doesn`t work great in all niches but I`ve had really great results with it in a similar niche. With 10$ investment you can make your page go viral and receive 1000 - 2000 visitors a day only from stumbleupon for weeks.
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      • Profile picture of the author amcg
        Maybe you need to think about your sign-up form/flow? Can you make it easier to sign-up to the list? Is the form in the correct location(s) on your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author flovin
    Paid method is the best option if you want to grow your list fast. Solos, PPV etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgiaB
    There are many methods to grow your list, but the most important thing is how to treat your subscribers.
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  • Profile picture of the author flovin
    Spend money - Solo ads. No need to spend money - safe swaps.
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  • Profile picture of the author adgaro
    Yes, Mitch is right. Register with Safe Swaps, buy solos and do ad swaps. They have hundreds IMs with big lists and their rating system will help you to avoid scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaptainPike
    Looking at my stats on YouTube, I really think my list should be growing faster. Most of the traffic to my landing page You can learn how to oil paint with Chad Marshall, ACI is coming from YouTube. My signup forms convert.. somewhat well. Last time I checked I think it was converting 30%.

    Last month I got 5000 views on YouTube. I know that's not stellar, but actually better than I thought.

    I could change my landing page, but I think I also need to work on getting people to visit my landing page from YouTube.
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  • Profile picture of the author idoitbigtime
    Originally Posted by CaptainPike View Post

    My list needs to grow, big time. The problem is, I'm not sure how to do it.

    I've been growing my list for a couple of years, but it's still tiny. I have around 500 people on it. I think a serious internet marketer would have thousands of people on a list in that amount of time.

    Right now, most of the traffic to my signup page comes from YouTube. My sign up forms convert well. 1 out of 4 times that it's displayed, I get a signup. So I guess what I really need is more traffic coming to my signup page.

    Can anyone give me some tips?
    hi i sent you an PM hope that it will help
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