How do you make money without a list ??

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

I am a list builder first and a marketer second. I didn't realize until reading a few post on here that all online (or real world for that matter ) marketers didn't try to at least build a general list.

I have not personally pitched a product since I paid my first months dues on an autoresponder.

I am serious about ideas (other than fee bay oh excuse me I meant ebay) . The autoresponder gives me some spare time that I could be using more wisely .

I havent made a list for my prospects. Most of them come to me. I just did SEO for my website and it just seemed to take off. However, i do see the importance of making a list. So thats what im going to work on next

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discrat

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

I am a list builder first and a marketer second. I didn't realize until reading a few post on here that all online (or real world for that matter ) marketers didn't try to at least build a general list.

I have not personally pitched a product since I paid my first months dues on an autoresponder.

I am serious about ideas (other than fee bay oh excuse me I meant ebay) . The autoresponder gives me some spare time that I could be using more wisely .

Contrary to what everyone is so keen on saying here about the mandatory of a list, there is actually quite a large number of successful people who have NOTHING to do with List Building !!

There are many ways to skin a cat. I have been building a list since early Novemebr and it has NOT paid off for me, whatsoever. I know it eventually will but it just takes time.

That being said I know of others who make an extremely large amount of Income off Adsense and they definitely dont use a List of any kind !!

But I am sure people here will continue 'shaking their finger' at those who DONT use a List
and incessantly say ' bad boy Johnny , bad boy '

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tommygadget

15 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Contrary to what everyone is so keen on saying here about the mandatory of a list, there is actually quite a large number of successful people who have NOTHING to do with List Building !!

There are many ways to skin a cat. I have been building a list since early Novemebr and it has NOT paid off for me, whatsoever. I know it eventually will but it just takes time.

That being said I know of others who make an extremely large amount of Income off Adsense and they definitely dont use a List of any kind !!

But I am sure people here will continue 'shaking their finger' at those who DONT use a List
and incessantly say ' bad boy Johnny , bad boy '

Here's the problem. That successful person who is doing adwords to CPA and/or affiliate products. Makes money, one year from now, still at point A. If he stops the adwords, profit stops instantly. Same guy building list through giveaways. Makes lots of money too. One year from now has thousands of people he can send offers to. Who's in a better position? In 10 years, who is in a better position. Here's an example. I was sent an excellent offer that precisely met the needs of one of my lists. I sent the email and the customers got a big discount and I made several hundred dollars with one email. No money spent, lots of happy customers. How can you beat that?

TomG.

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by tommygadget

Here's the problem. That successful person who is doing adwords to CPA and/or affiliate products. Makes money, one year from now, still at point A. If he stops the adwords, profit stops instantly. Same guy building list through giveaways. Makes lots of money too. One year from now has thousands of people he can send offers to. Who's in a better position? In 10 years, who is in a better position. Here's an example. I was sent an excellent offer that precisely met the needs of one of my lists. I sent the email and the customers got a big discount and I made several hundred dollars with one email. No money spent, lots of happy customers. How can you beat that?

TomG.

Hey Tom G did we go to the same school :-)

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abroms

15 years ago

I think that having a list helps, but isn't necessary. It's a way to make money, just like CPA, affiliate links, adsense, etc. All it does it build off there.

That said, I believe that having a list can be a great asset to market everything you do.

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

I am a list builder first and a marketer second. I didn't realize until reading a few post on here that all online (or real world for that matter ) marketers didn't try to at least build a general list.

I have not personally pitched a product since I paid my first months dues on an autoresponder.

I am serious about ideas (other than fee bay oh excuse me I meant ebay) . The autoresponder gives me some spare time that I could be using more wisely .

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by abroms

I think that having a list helps, but isn't necessary. It's a way to make money, just like CPA, affiliate links, adsense, etc. All it does it build off there.

That said, I believe that having a list can be a great asset to market everything you do.

Thanks for all the opinions and views . I never have understood why I would want to put a competitors ads (adsense) on my page and let them leave. Is the $5 (or whatever you get)worth losing a potential sale or even worse a list member that you can make money off of .

If I was going to do the adsense thing I would still capture a list with a free offer and then let the autoresponder send them to the adsense page .

I never let a potential customer see my affiliate link until I collect their info. I know this cost me a sale occasionally but the long term value of those I do capture are worth it . If a probable customer is interested enough to give a email and first name to get the sales page I have pre-sold , they are ready to buy when they get to the sales page.

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PierceD 15 years ago

While list are valuable (especially the past 10 years), I think that social sites are the way to create true marketing in the future.
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- Troy_Phillips 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by PierceD
  
  While list are valuable (especially the past 10 years), I think that social sites are the way to create true marketing in the future.
  
  I do the 2.0 . I just use it to build my list :-)
  
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bgmacaw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

If I was going to do the adsense thing I would still capture a list with a free offer and then let the autoresponder send them to the adsense page .

You would then be among those who say "Adsense is dead". It takes a different approach to make money with Adsense. Think of it this way. If you ran a billboard company would you want to stop every car and collect their tag number before you let them see one of your signs?

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

You would then be among those who say "Adsense is dead". It takes a different approach to make money with Adsense. Think of it this way. If you ran a billboard company would you want to stop every car and collect their tag number before you let them see one of your signs?

I don't think adsense is dead . I just would go about it in a way that if my sign blew down I could still sell.

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roverfind

15 years ago

I had the same problems marketing on the internet is a challenge when you don't have a formula. I've read alot of ebooks and it has really help me. I guess my favorite is ebook would be (Stop Paying For Traffic)

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Paul Buckley

15 years ago

In certain markets and niches, a list is not appropriate. In others it is essential.

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Troy_Phillips 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Buckley

In certain markets and niches, a list is not appropriate. In others it is essential.

Can you give a specific niche where a list is not appropriate . I know I am sounding all pro list (because I am) but this is great . Some very brilliant minds on here .
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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProducerPhenom

Its perfectly fine to be in your shoes. As said before, Adsense....Can REALLY bring in some cash

Everyone has got me to thinking about making a splash page that once I collect the names they are sent directly to an adsense site . Maybe the best of both worlds

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Todd Lamb

15 years ago

I had a short conversation with Charles Kirkland on this topic and he actually has a video on the matter on his blog.

Here's what it boils down to in my view....(I share Charles perspective in this regard)

Traffic...period.

If you have a list it gives you the ability to send targeted traffic to an offer. If you don't have a list then you can use ppc to drive traffic, or an ad etc.

Traffic = profit

So if you don't want to use PPC to drive traffic then likely need a list or be massively successful at SEO for top organic search results...or what have you.

So in the absence of a list you must be able to drive traffic to an offer effectively in some other manner.

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Todd Lamb

I had a short conversation with Charles Kirkland on this topic and he actually has a video on the matter on his blog.

Here's what it boils down to in my view....(I share Charles perspective in this regard)

Traffic...period.

If you have a list it gives you the ability to send targeted traffic to an offer. If you don't have a list then you can use ppc to drive traffic, or an ad etc.

Traffic = profit

So if you don't want to use PPC to drive traffic then likely need a list or be massively successful at SEO for top organic search results...or what have you.

So in the absence of a list you must be able to drive traffic to an offer effectively in some other manner.

In the absence of a list you have to drive traffic that is somewhat cold to your offers on a constant basis .

I drive my PPC to an SLO

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by masterGlen

I think having a list helps you not to forget what you want to do.

If I could just remember where I put the list LOL

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mathiasc

15 years ago

there are pros and cons about marketing with a list and w/o a list. IMHO, a list would be better to generate targeted sales, but marketing w/o a list is plain simpler without having to write numerous emails trying so hard to promote your products.

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jbsmith 15 years ago

Have to side with Tom and Troy on this one. There are so many positives with building a list, but the biggest one is leverage!

If you offer value to a list, build a relationship (not as tough as it sounds), then you have leveraged that time and effort for future profits - simple as that.

Having a list will also open the door to other great opportunities for publicity, co-marketing, joint ventures, article swaps, interviews, etc... which feed more traffic and bigger lists.

Once you hit 500-1000 it sort of takes on a life of its own and can grow much bigger quickly

Then your challenge is to bond with your list and turn it into something productive where you are adding value and they are returning the favor by buying from and through you.

Building the list is one thing, getting the list to respond is quite another.

I prefer to develop products and through a combination of giving them away and selling them - build my list that way.

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AlbertF

15 years ago

I believe a list has value because it is what made your site lift off. If you are able to accumulate a huge list, it can have tremendous value.

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by AlbertF

I believe a list has value because it is what made your site lift off. If you are able to accumulate a huge list, it can have tremendous value.

The idea of a huge list gets a lot of people wanting to build . Honestly a huge list of over 100,000 would be nice but you would be surprised with what you can do with a list of a little over 10,000 if you treat them right .

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bgmacaw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

you would be surprised with what you can do with a list of a little over 10,000 if you treat them right .

I've never been 'treated right' by any list I've been on, especially in the Internet Marketing arena, but I do get a ton of useless emails I send straight to the delete folder unread. I don't bother to unsubscribe since in my experience they don't remove you. I suppose I could report them but that's not my thing.

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

I've never been 'treated right' by any list I've been on, especially in the Internet Marketing arena, but I do get a ton of useless emails I send straight to the delete folder unread. I don't bother to unsubscribe since in my experience they don't remove you. I suppose I could report them but that's not my thing.

If you have actually bought from one of these Im's and the do not treat you right then it is time to unsubscribe .

If you have been on someones list for a long time and haven't bought anything then they are going to put you on what a lot of marketers call a hit list . This means nothing but sales pitches. While I hit an unresponsive list harder than an active one , after a year of no sales I will delete that particular list . ( I do not consider a list unresponsive until it reaches 9 months with no sales) .This saves me time and the member trash folder space.

Reporting for spam does very little if the email has an unsubscribe link in it . I can tell you from personal experience that one unsubscribe dulls the thrill of 5 new opt ins . If the list owner is part of a commercial autoresponder they have no decision in the unsubscribe process.

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