Worried about the Ethics....

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Hey guys.

So I haven't "started" yet. I am waiting to meet with a CPA to talk about the tax consequences of an online business and what I should have ahead of time to protect myself. (but that's a question for another thread)

My biggest problem with internet marketing is the ethics, or moral, side of it. Whenever I think about me promoting Clickbank products, I shudder. I have this horrifying fear that if I promote a product that I haven't personally used, then someone in trouble will buy it and get screwed. I couldn't sleep at night if there was a hint of doubt that I could have ripped someone off.

So my current plan is to go with Amazon alone, at least for now. Of course I hear all about how bad Amazon can be and their restrictions, but I don't think I really have an option.

One option would be to buy the e-book/course beforehand so I could give it a real review. One warrior suggesting being such an awesome affiliate that I could get a trail copy of ebooks to review ahead of time, but I'm not sure how I would get that.

Another option that I thought of would be to use the War Room once I make a little money and buy the membership. From what I understand people post ebooks on there for free right? I could see the ebook there, give it a real review, and then promote the clickbank version after obtaining permissiom from the author. But then I'd be limited to the IM niche.

So what can I do? CB seems to be the main IM money source, and the way I think it works seems like lying....... Do I not understand? Is there some way to see the product you are promoting BEFORE promoting it?

Sorry, I don't mean to say that all e-books are bad or a scam or rip-off, but I have gotten ripped off before. And I just can't promote something I don't really know about. HELP!
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  • Profile picture of the author JennySweets
    You have limited yourself to two options in an arena where there are a million doors to potentially open.

    Amazon, regardless of whether you only promote products you personally believe in, is an incredibly full market. There are many thousands of people vying to make affiliate money with them. it can happen, but if you are going to be so "1 small tiny thing i can believe in at a time" about it, you are doomed before you start.

    why don't you start thinking about the things in life you really enjoy that have nothing to do with business. make a list of things that excite you or bring you a lot of happiness. then come back and ask how you could turn your top three interests into money. then we would have more solid advice for you.

    as it is now, my instinct is to tell you to run for the hills, you have no idea how deep the rabbit hole you are about to jump into really is.
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    1. Your CPA will prob tell you to start an LLC, which is a smart move for ANY business.

    2. You are over thinking it.

    You're not holding a gun to someone's head and FORCING them to buy a product. They're adults, they choose what they want. For cheap products, most people buy CRAP that they don't need ALL THE TIME. If someone is buying a $7 ebook then it means they have some money to throw around (or are just irresponsible and going into debt).

    If you're all for providing quality you believe in, then be upfront about it and ask to review a product before you recommend it.

    Besides, what are you going to do, only show off amazon items that you have personally bought and have laying around?
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    • Profile picture of the author NickGives
      Originally Posted by pewpewpewmonkeys View Post

      1. Your CPA will prob tell you to start an LLC, which is a smart move for ANY business.

      2. You are over thinking it.

      You're not holding a gun to someone's head and FORCING them to buy a product. They're adults, they choose what they want. For cheap products, most people buy CRAP that they don't need ALL THE TIME. If someone is buying a $7 ebook then it means they have some money to throw around (or are just irresponsible and going into debt).

      If you're all for providing quality you believe in, then be upfront about it and ask to review a product before you recommend it.

      Besides, what are you going to do, only show off amazon items that you have personally bought and have laying around?

      1. Yes. My thoughts on that exactly.

      2. Ok, that'll work. But how would I go about asking for a review copy? I just email them?

      The last part made me think..... Yes. Actually that was exactly what I was thinking, subconsciously of course. But I COULD expand upon that. For instance. I love the Leatherman multitool company. Best multitool there is. And all made in the U.S.A. I have only 3 of them. But I would have no issue whatsoever PROMOTING their entire line. Just not reviewing.

      I COULD write on article on, just for example, canning. Then I could do a little research on the new canning kits (since ours are 30 years old) and promote them in the article by saying: You need supplies like these!

      Ok. We are getting somewhere! Thanks so much for that post! Made me think!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      1. Your CPA will prob tell you to start an LLC, which is a smart move for ANY business.
      My own CPA says "not necessarily." Any smart CPA would advise their client the best corporate structure based on their business model, their tax planning objectives, and the laws where they plan on incorporating, if they plan on doing business internationally, etc. For some businesses, it makes more sense to form a partnership, an S-Corporation, or a standard Corporation.

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  • Profile picture of the author isadoregregory
    there sure is a thin line between ethics and our desire to earn online. the trick really is to go with the products that you can personally vouch for, you might have minimal income in doing so, but at least you can sleep well at night. you might be well off earning from something else, other than these CPA links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cason
    Why dont you just buy the product and see if its any good? you seem to be overcomplicating things
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    • Profile picture of the author mrkitty
      Originally Posted by Cason View Post

      Why dont you just buy the product and see if its any good? you seem to be overcomplicating things
      Makes a lot more sense than spending money with a CPA before he's even made a single dime.
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    • Profile picture of the author Simon Farmer
      Originally Posted by Cason View Post

      Why dont you just buy the product and see if its any good? you seem to be overcomplicating things
      You will find that a lot of times if you just ask the ClickBank vendor then they will give you a review copy.

      I'm a vendor of various different products and as long as someone can prove to me that they at least have the intention to promote my product then I will happily give them a free review copy.

      This might not be the case with many IM products on ClickBank (because too many people would just try to get the product for free), but certainly with niche products.

      Hopefully this will save you some money.

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  • Profile picture of the author lorrainesmithills
    You can also choose to promote products that fit with your personal ethics.

    I agree with some of the other posts though, you are not forcing people to buy products, merely highlighting their worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrkitty
    Sheesh, what a drama queen. Were you going to buy every Amazon item you wanted to promote before promoting them? I mean, you do know there are probably millions of people who have bought something from Amazon who were disappointed with the item, right? I know I have.

    Clickbank has probably the easiest refund process on the planet. If anyone gets ripped off there, it's because they've chosen to.
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    • Profile picture of the author NickGives
      Originally Posted by mrkitty View Post

      Sheesh, what a drama queen. Were you going to buy every Amazon item you wanted to promote before promoting them? I mean, you do know there are probably millions of people who have bought something from Amazon who were disappointed with the item, right? I know I have.

      Clickbank has probably the easiest refund process on the planet. If anyone gets ripped off there, it's because they've chosen to.
      No, not really. I think you need to read the "subconcious" part. Meaning I really just thought about it.

      And I don't think I'm being a drama queen at all. I just don't want to hurt anyone for my own gain, I just don't need it that bad, nor ever will. I watched some friends get ripped off with a near $1000 course when they were in a bad spot. I thought that it just wouldn't be worth it. (granted, those guys were idiots for believing that a "system" would fix their problems overnight, plus they waited until past the 30 day return period to even try it out.....fail)

      Oh and the CPA is free. I am trying to build a business with as little as possible upfront investment. (actually im building 2 but this is one, hence why I'll be going to the CPA anyway) So in theory I would build capital using, say, Fiverr, and then I would go and invest that. Kind of hard in the beginning if I have to buy everything I promote.
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      • Profile picture of the author NickGives
        Ok guys. Thanks for clearing some stuff up. Now I see Clickbank as a real option!

        Thanks so much!
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        • Profile picture of the author JennySweets
          Originally Posted by NickGives View Post

          Ok guys. Thanks for clearing some stuff up. Now I see Clickbank as a real option!

          Thanks so much!
          If you aren't going to bother rewiring your thinking you're headed down a very disappointing road. But props for deciding to take action instead of being paralyzed by the wrong questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    Don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with. The number 1 thing for me - don't lie.

    It is perfectly possible to promote products without endorsing them. For example, google is full of ads for products (adsense). Obviously they haven't tested them all. But there is no dishonesty on google's part because at no point do they say "we've used and personally recommend... ". Instead they say "this is an ad, it might be of interest, make your own mind up". In other words, they don't lie.
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  • Profile picture of the author sree94
    Would you feel comfortable with your grandmother using it? If so, sell it!

    Besides, Clickbank has a pretty generous refund policy, so I wouldn't sweat it
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by JennySweets View Post

      as it is now, my instinct is to tell you to run for the hills, you have no idea how deep the rabbit hole you are about to jump into really is.
      Originally Posted by JennySweets View Post

      If you aren't going to bother rewiring your thinking you're headed down a very disappointing road. But props for deciding to take action instead of being paralyzed by the wrong questions.
      My props to you Jenny. Doesn't seem the OP is listening to you but its been a looooooong time since I have seen such insightful posts.
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      • Profile picture of the author NickGives
        Originally Posted by JennySweets View Post

        You have limited yourself to two options in an arena where there are a million doors to potentially open.

        Amazon, regardless of whether you only promote products you personally believe in, is an incredibly full market. There are many thousands of people vying to make affiliate money with them. it can happen, but if you are going to be so "1 small tiny thing i can believe in at a time" about it, you are doomed before you start.

        why don't you start thinking about the things in life you really enjoy that have nothing to do with business. make a list of things that excite you or bring you a lot of happiness. then come back and ask how you could turn your top three interests into money. then we would have more solid advice for you.

        as it is now, my instinct is to tell you to run for the hills, you have no idea how deep the rabbit hole you are about to jump into really is.
        Originally Posted by JennySweets View Post

        If you aren't going to bother rewiring your thinking you're headed down a very disappointing road. But props for deciding to take action instead of being paralyzed by the wrong questions.
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        My props to you Jenny. Doesn't seem the OP is listening to you but its been a looooooong time since I have seen such insightful posts.
        Could you two please elaborate here? I don't understand what you meant by "rewiring my thinking". I simply am saying that I was under the impression that you were supposed to advertise by reviewing a product that you do not own. That is lying. I will not "rethink" my views on lying. It won't happen.

        Chances are I just don't understand what you mean.

        Now I am open to everyone's thoughts. The PPC or google ads is a good example. I thought differently about it before until someone explained it to me.

        I'm also reassured by the fact that CB seems to have a much better return system than years ago when I bought from there. It was hit or miss then.

        I appreciate constructive criticism, and am eager to learn what you mean, but writing a fake review for my gain is out of the question. There are to many bad guys nowadays.

        P.S. What do you mean by one thing at a time? I thought you were supposed to pick to pick only one business model and go for it relentlessly? (For the beginner at least)
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Originally Posted by NickGives View Post

    Hey guys.

    So I haven't "started" yet. I am waiting to meet with a CPA to talk about the tax consequences of an online business and what I should have ahead of time to protect myself. (but that's a question for another thread)

    My biggest problem with internet marketing is the ethics, or moral, side of it. Whenever I think about me promoting Clickbank products, I shudder. I have this horrifying fear that if I promote a product that I haven't personally used, then someone in trouble will buy it and get screwed. I couldn't sleep at night if there was a hint of doubt that I could have ripped someone off.

    So my current plan is to go with Amazon alone, at least for now. Of course I hear all about how bad Amazon can be and their restrictions, but I don't think I really have an option.

    One option would be to buy the e-book/course beforehand so I could give it a real review. One warrior suggesting being such an awesome affiliate that I could get a trail copy of ebooks to review ahead of time, but I'm not sure how I would get that.

    Another option that I thought of would be to use the War Room once I make a little money and buy the membership. From what I understand people post ebooks on there for free right? I could see the ebook there, give it a real review, and then promote the clickbank version after obtaining permissiom from the author. But then I'd be limited to the IM niche.

    So what can I do? CB seems to be the main IM money source, and the way I think it works seems like lying....... Do I not understand? Is there some way to see the product you are promoting BEFORE promoting it?

    Sorry, I don't mean to say that all e-books are bad or a scam or rip-off, but I have gotten ripped off before. And I just can't promote something I don't really know about. HELP!
    Do you think that Bernie Marcus and Arthur Blank (Founders of The Home Depot) actually used all the products in their stores. How about Sam Walton (Founder of Walmart) Think he used every item in the Walmart, like say a size 46DDD bra?

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    • Profile picture of the author NickGives
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      Do you think that Bernie Marcus and Arthur Blank (Founders of The Home Depot) actually used all the products in their stores. How about Sam Walton (Founder of Walmart) Think he used every item in the Walmart, like say a size 46DDD bra?

      al
      Lol. Well, I guess I was thinking back to my own click bank experiences several years ago when it was a hassle to return.

      Still, they didn't "review" the bra. I guess I just
      Need to look at the different methods and compare them. Started a project to do that this morning actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author T086
    This is why I prefer to work with CPA and free offers. I don't want to make people pay for trash products.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    A couple of things I see here. First, you're coming from fear. At least it appears you are. Second, I think you have some internal belief that MMO marketing is dirty. Some of it is but you don't have to play that way. Just decide from day one that you're going to treat people the way you want to be treated and the rest is easy.

    I would have trouble being an affiliate for a product I hadn't experienced first hand. You've already gotten the answer to that. Ask ask ask ask ask... Some vendors will be happy to give you a review copy. You aren't going to find many, if any Clickbank products in the War Room. You'll find a LOT of WSOs but I haven't seen anyone giving away Clickbank products in there.

    And finally, I'd wait a while before paying a CPA for advice. I know some won't agree with that but you can pull down a few sales as a sole proprietor before spending money on setting up an LLC or corporation. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      TravelinGuy is absolutely right. Focus on making some money before worrying about your legal entity or the tax implications.

      You're jumping right into the MMO niche even though you don't seem to feel good about it.

      It's true that there are a lot of shysters and a "slime factor" to it. But there's a HUGE demand for MMO info and it's a legitimate field. I wouldn't recommend someone get into it unless you have a genuine passion for marketing online. (Emphasis on the "marketing" part because that's really what it's all about.)

      Years ago, I got off the WF and out of the traditional MMO niche for all the reasons you have concerns. I never wanted to be responsible to selling a second-rate product or program to anyone. And even though there may be many legitimate products on ClickBank, the sheer hype factor alone gives me the heebie jeebies.

      Combined with my perfectionism, all of this pushed me off the WF to go looking for a better way. Luckily, I found mentors teaching online marketing to REAL business owners (not just Joe Six Pack wannabes). I also DO have a passion for online marketing and chose to go the "offline" route with a twist -- that is, I help offline business owners with their online marketing.

      I create my own products and services and make sure all of the design is top-notch (to match the quality of the content). No cheesy 3-D IM graphics for me! So not only can I feel good about the content, but also about the presentation.

      All of that to say that you seem to be severely limiting yourself. Do you REALLY want to be in the MMO niche? If so, who do you want to sell to? What do you want to sell? You're certainly not limited to CB products, but it seems like you think you are.

      I don't care how much money people have made with ClickBank. It just never appealed to me. Everything there (with just a few exceptions) seemed cheap and cheesy -- which is unfortunate since I'm sure a lot of the content was great. But the packaging and presentation completely ruined any credibility for me. I never trusted them and I didn't want to be responsible for promoting anything there.

      But that's just me.

      Just be sure you really want to be in the MMO AND want to promote CB products. You're certainly not limited to them, by any means.

      Hope that helps!

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      • Profile picture of the author NickGives
        Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

        TravelinGuy is absolutely right. Focus on making some money before worrying about your legal entity or the tax implications.

        You're jumping right into the MMO niche even though you don't seem to feel good about it.

        It's true that there are a lot of shysters and a "slime factor" to it. But there's a HUGE demand for MMO info and it's a legitimate field. I wouldn't recommend someone get into it unless you have a genuine passion for marketing online. (Emphasis on the "marketing" part because that's really what it's all about.)

        Years ago, I got off the WF and out of the traditional MMO niche for all the reasons you have concerns. I never wanted to be responsible to selling a second-rate product or program to anyone. And even though there may be many legitimate products on ClickBank, the sheer hype factor alone gives me the heebie jeebies.

        Combined with my perfectionism, all of this pushed me off the WF to go looking for a better way. Luckily, I found mentors teaching online marketing to REAL business owners (not just Joe Six Pack wannabes). I also DO have a passion for online marketing and chose to go the "offline" route with a twist -- that is, I help offline business owners with their online marketing.

        I create my own products and services and make sure all of the design is top-notch (to match the quality of the content). No cheesy 3-D IM graphics for me! So not only can I feel good about the content, but also about the presentation.

        All of that to say that you seem to be severely limiting yourself. Do you REALLY want to be in the MMO niche? If so, who do you want to sell to? What do you want to sell? You're certainly not limited to CB products, but it seems like you think you are.

        I don't care how much money people have made with ClickBank. It just never appealed to me. Everything there (with just a few exceptions) seemed cheap and cheesy -- which is unfortunate since I'm sure a lot of the content was great. But the packaging and presentation completely ruined any credibility for me. I never trusted them and I didn't want to be responsible for promoting anything there.

        But that's just me.

        Just be sure you really want to be in the MMO AND want to promote CB products. You're certainly not limited to them, by any means.

        Hope that helps!

        Michelle
        This helped alot.

        The thing is, I realized I don't want to be in the MMO niche at all, but most of my worries are ABOUT the MMO niche. So essentially problem solved.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
          Originally Posted by NickGives View Post

          This helped alot.

          The thing is, I realized I don't want to be in the MMO niche at all, but most of my worries are ABOUT the MMO niche. So essentially problem solved.
          Good!

          Just remember, the Internet is just like radio, newspaper, direct mail, etc. It's just a MEDIUM for reaching your target market and conducting business. Pretty basic really.

          Too many Warriors and others think/speak in terms of having an "Internet business" or talking about a website as if it were a business. That's like saying you have a "newspaper business" if your primary marketing method was via newspapers. Ridiculous, really. :rolleyes:

          All businesses make money by selling a product or a service. That's as basic as it gets.

          So think about your interests and passion and choose a product or service (niche) to sell. Then choose a target market. WHO will you sell it too? What's the best way to reach them and stay in touch (follow up)?

          Most Warriors are here because they want to make money online and market SOLELY online. But you're really better off merging both online and offline marketing. Let IM do the heavy lifting for you, but supplement it with direct mail, for example. Postcards are simple and inexpensive.

          Once you've done this research and made a decision, I STRONGLY recommend investing in one good, comprehensive IM course. Don't depend on $7 e-books!

          Then follow the course. Get a good website and autoresponder system to follow up.

          And remember: if you choose model trains, for example, you're in the model train business -- NOT in the "Internet business"! (Not even if you have a website. )

          Bottom line: choose a "real business" and treat it like a business. Realize that the Internet is just a medium -- not a "business." Get the training and help you need.

          Good luck to you!

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  • Profile picture of the author arkina
    I am wondering what is so bad about Amazon? I never had a problem with them.

    What if you just found one or two Clickbank products you liked and just concentrated on promoting to those and then slowly added to that as you went along (promoting to the same list).

    Or- why not run a blog that is essentially a review site for these types of products. Whether you find them on Amazon, Clickbank, or another source like Payloadz, Max Bounty, or an independent source, you can sign up as an affiliate for them all and you can use the book and review it. Some places may let you have it for free in order to promote it and review it. Sometimes even if you give something an honest review that is not so good, but you list the pros and cons, it will still sell.

    You can even have a website where users post reviews!

    Just some ideas.


    Originally Posted by NickGives View Post

    Hey guys.

    So I haven't "started" yet. I am waiting to meet with a CPA to talk about the tax consequences of an online business and what I should have ahead of time to protect myself. (but that's a question for another thread)

    My biggest problem with internet marketing is the ethics, or moral, side of it. Whenever I think about me promoting Clickbank products, I shudder. I have this horrifying fear that if I promote a product that I haven't personally used, then someone in trouble will buy it and get screwed. I couldn't sleep at night if there was a hint of doubt that I could have ripped someone off.

    So my current plan is to go with Amazon alone, at least for now. Of course I hear all about how bad Amazon can be and their restrictions, but I don't think I really have an option.

    One option would be to buy the e-book/course beforehand so I could give it a real review. One warrior suggesting being such an awesome affiliate that I could get a trail copy of ebooks to review ahead of time, but I'm not sure how I would get that.

    Another option that I thought of would be to use the War Room once I make a little money and buy the membership. From what I understand people post ebooks on there for free right? I could see the ebook there, give it a real review, and then promote the clickbank version after obtaining permissiom from the author. But then I'd be limited to the IM niche.

    So what can I do? CB seems to be the main IM money source, and the way I think it works seems like lying....... Do I not understand? Is there some way to see the product you are promoting BEFORE promoting it?

    Sorry, I don't mean to say that all e-books are bad or a scam or rip-off, but I have gotten ripped off before. And I just can't promote something I don't really know about. HELP!
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    • Profile picture of the author NickGives
      Originally Posted by arkina View Post

      I am wondering what is so bad about Amazon? I never had a problem with them.

      What if you just found one or two Clickbank products you liked and just concentrated on promoting to those and then slowly added to that as you went along (promoting to the same list).

      Or- why not run a blog that is essentially a review site for these types of products. Whether you find them on Amazon, Clickbank, or another source like Payloadz, Max Bounty, or an independent source, you can sign up as an affiliate for them all and you can use the book and review it. Some places may let you have it for free in order to promote it and review it. Sometimes even if you give something an honest review that is not so good, but you list the pros and cons, it will still sell.

      You can even have a website where users post reviews!

      Just some ideas.
      I personally love the idea of Amazon, but people keep saying it is bad.

      I think they say that because of the restrictions, like for instance no email advertisements.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by NickGives View Post

    My biggest problem with internet marketing is the ethics, or moral, side of it.
    Nobody can make you tell lies or cheat people.

    If you feel like you are lying and cheating, you probably are.

    This business is full of liars and cheaters, so you're going to have to live with the idea that your competitors can and will tell lies and cheat customers to make more money than you do.

    Then they will tell you lying and cheating is the only way to succeed in this business. Turning you into a liar and cheater is how they convince themselves it is okay for them to lie and cheat.

    They will tell you "everybody does it" because they feel guilty, and if you don't do it that means maybe they don't have to, and this makes them uncomfortable because it means they have a choice.

    They do. So do you. Make it and understand why you made the choice you did. If you are going to lie and cheat, accept that you are doing it on purpose because it is easier. If you are not, accept that you will make less money and be pressured to change by your colleagues.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    One man's meat and another man's poison. You will never be able to satisfy everyone. I will do more research or even purchase the product so that I will be able to know the review of the product. There is no such thing as a perfect product but it cannot be crap product too.

    If there is a solution that is being offered and it contain good content, I personally will have no issue promoting it. Just my 2 cents.
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