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Hey warriors, I'm fairly new to the forum and want to know people's thoughts on article spinning. I've done it well in the past to great success but the quality of so many of the services offering spinning vary beyond measure. Does anybody have the killer strategy completely mastered, working and automated? |
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I am personally against article spinning. I say create new fresh content, create content for people... NOT search engines... and you will always do ok.
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Every one that I have used has pretty much sucked. I have tried a lot of them. There is one Jet Spinner it is called, it works pretty good, but it is very time consuming. I agree with slippy, just write new content.
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Article spinning is good for saving the money and time needed to write additional articles from scratch. The problem is that you need articles both for the links and the visitors, so if you have a spun article, you aren't going to get visitors because spun articles are usually crap.
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If you're going to put your name on them as the author you should be creating good content. Spun articles are usually done by a machine that doesn't read like we do. So it usually comes out a mess and isn't readable for your visitors. One of the best advantages of articles is to build your authority in your field. Putting a bunch of spun articles out there that read terribly will not help to do this. Your potential prospects may see your name and the quality of the article and associate the two. |
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Program (robot) spinning is a waste of time, but I do believe there is good reason to have at least a few different versions of an article. I use Power Article Rewriter which is very good and simple to use, but it is all my own re-writing. The software just helps with collating and synonym replacement which is a real productivity booster. Now it's true that original articles are always best but I don't think OP is asking that guys. The crux of it is to get as much mileage out of every article you write. In that sense I do think you should have an original version for your website, and maybe a few others for your blogs and social media, and yet another 2 or 3 for article directories. What you don't need is 50 versions. Let the article directories fight over the 2 or 3 versions you submit there, and you just use your original content on your websites. 8 to 10 versions should do fine and is much better than having identical content on all your own sites and self-linking locations. Its just my way of doing things anyhow. |
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thanks for the read i have a fresh site and thinking about writing articals...it does seem time consuming but wouldn't original content be good for the reader cause at the end of the day it's word of mouth...... although you could play the serps game aswell.
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Funny this question comes up now. For the heck of it I built a website for a certain offline business. I dont have a buyer for it. I simply built it to see the reaction. Just yesterday I was looking up businesses so that I can contact them asking if they would like to purchase the site. I am getting 4-5 quote requests per day from potential customers from it. I wrote 4 articles and spun them each myself about 7-8 times changing all sorts of text but keeping the gist the same and the link text of course. The articles have been re-published on approx 80 other websites. For this particular search phrase I occupy (or at least my article does) 32 of the first 40 spots on Google. I chuckled. Here I am looking for a tradesman and all I can find is my website. *funny* Anyway, spinning articles worked for me. |
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Having tried several different article spinners, I find it's just as easy to rewrite from scratch, rather than having to redo spun articles. Also, if you're endeavoring to build a long-term business on the web, I'd definitely advise against using spun articles. |
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I think its more hassle and trouble than its worth but the only method/program I found that worked really well was datapresser.
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It's a bad idea. You should get your article research information from a wide variety of sources, and the last place to get good information is other people's articles.
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We found what we thought was a great service in content spooling network but it turns out the quality can go from amazing to completely terrible. I think it's a great tactic but can be so tricky to find great services for it. |
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Oh wow another "Let's Bash Spinners" thread ... I love it when people are so wrong that they have no idea how wrong they really are. Fact: Article Spinners Do Work Fact: Use a Real Article Spinner Fact: Spinners Can and Do Produce Proper Articles Fact: Using a Human Controlled Spinner Will Produce Articles Just As Good As The Original What many seem to do is try some junky free spinners and then since they do not work well for them, they put down all spinners. Unless those of you that are downgrading spinners have used "everyone" on the market, do not post "they don't work" because the fact is you do not know that unless you tried every single spinner on the market. It is already a proven fact that using the proper spinner can and does produce perfectly readable articles, the reason why is using the proper spinner that is human controlled can not produce junk unless you write junk. A human controlled spinner is one that is controlled fully by the writer, no stupid {keyword|keyword2|keyword3} crap, no pre-set database... I am talking about a spinner that is 100% controlled by the writer himself/herself. To answer the OP this depends upon what you want to do... Is it a good idea to change up your content ?? Well sure it is but it is not something that is required. Spinner are not a waste of time, you just need to use the proper spinner and use it the way it was meant to be used. I can produce 50 articles in less than 2 hours and all will be perfectly readable and have 60%+uniqueness... You can not write that many articles in 2 hours by hand. James |
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I wouldn't call it a complete waste of time. But for the amount of time it takes I think there are more profitable activities.
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Given the two choices, I'd have to say...neither. Allen |
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Then I ran across Human Spinner and found that you can actually have a human rewrite your article with three different variations per sentences/paragraphs AND also install the syntax for spinning the article! Sign up is free and the cost can vary b/w $3 - $6 per article, and we would be able to accept or reject each rewritten sentence/paragraph. I know a successful marketer who has been using it for a while now with no complains. say using this would be the most use of my time. A good plan of action I thought of as I was browsing the sight, if you really want an almost "hands off" automated process, would be to use free PLR articles and spin them using Human Spinner - Nice plan huh? Here is the link for it and it is not my affiliate link(no affiliate opportunity): Human Spinner Vipul Shah | |
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Depends on your strategy. If you want dozens of blogs making a few dollars a day each then you will probably need a spinner (or outsource) to generate enough content. If you are concentrating on only one (or a few) blogs then you want quality human written content.
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I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following: Use 1 to submit to article directories Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites Use 2 to create a squidoo lens Use 2 to create a hubpage Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs Use 2 to post to my blog Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function Use 3 to post to news release sites There are more that can be done but you just need to think outside the box. By using the proper spinner you can create a very powerful marketing campaign with just 1 article. Let's assume I paid someone to write the original article, with the above I just done massive exposure that cost my business $10 - $15 and about 3 days work. The alternative: Let's assume you needed a writer to write the content for the above. 20 articles at $10 a pop is $200. So you just spent $200 for the above and 3 days work. Logically which option is more effective especially with this economy ?? Personally myself I would rather pay for the 1 Article and then use it to create all that massive exposure by spinning the article (using a proper spinner).. James | |
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| http://www.contentboss.com - automated article rewriting software gives you unique content at a few CENTS per article!. New - Put text into jetspinner format automatically! http://www.autojetspinner.com PS my PM system is broken. Sorry I can't help anymore. | |
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Even though they advertise English writers, that is absolutely not the case. The rewrites I got back were mostly nonsense such as this sentence: Crackerjack poker players regularly live with their diagnostic vein, unbroken while that isn't always recognized. I could use a service like this, but HS is a waste of time from what I can see. Keep my $20 guys, it was worth the amusement. | |
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- This is why you use a "Human Controlled Spinner" - This is a real spinner that is fully controlled by the writer himself/herself not some outsource....There are only 2 Human Controlled Spinners that exist and one is owned by Glenn here on the forum. James | |
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Article spinners works but also try to create a fresh one. I think that will be helpful.
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| It's obvious you did not read my post because if you did you would realize just how wrong you are ... Spinning is one of the most powerful tools in marketing. People spin website content People spin their articles People spin titles, descriptions when bookmarking People spin titles, descriptions when submitting to search engines There are many ways people spin "content" every single day. Even those that claim to hate spinners do the same exact thing. James |
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You know that you can reject that sentence and many other before just quitting altogether?? I'm not sure what your situation is but it seems that it is way too early to just jump to conclusions that the service is no good. After all, you just signed up! It's not even been a week let alone a full DAY and you are already calling it quits.....slow down. Keep in touch with support and do your due diligence first before you come here and say the service is no good. Many I know have gone through a similar situation with some of the articles with services like this and sometimes it took a couple days to a week to resolve it. Vipul Quote:
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Thanks for really good basic question. I'm jumping into article submission a bit more. I don't spin, just manually take slightly different topics or change top 2 keyphrases within different versions. All 6 of the directories I submit to get the same version. Advantage of manual writing is that it stays conversational and fresher. |
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From some of the garble that came out, I have no doubt this would be a complete waste of time long term for me, as the idea behind this is to get someone else to do the work thus eliminating the hassle of me doing it. Hey if you W's wanna try the $20 test like me, carry on - but to me it was nonsense what they spewed out. I think the name of the software is misleading because I cannot believe English speaking humans would write this stuff. I will stick with Power Article Rewriter. Further: Hey Vipul if you are going to flog a product like that you have to expect some negative feedback, so please do not send PMs just because someone disagrees.... | |
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| The best approaches are writing your own articles or hire a writer. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with using a spinner if you use it responsibility. This means you can use the article spinner software to mass produce articles to save time, but once this is done you still need to proof read them and make necessary changes to ensure a high quality end-product (the article). Remember with every article or blog post you are representing the integrity of your company. |
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The problem is he does not understand that you paid for a service that claimed to have human writers and the work provided to you was junk eventhough you gave them a well written article. He does not understand that you paid someone to do work and what they produced was crap and you did not pay to sit there and email back and forth for re-writes left and right .... James | |
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to proof your work, but you can get a much better finished product. HTH Glenn | |
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Hey Marty, you are pming me too. Nobody has full control of bad services but I don't need your negative connotations about me on this thread just because you've experienced bad service. You can save the "feedback" for support of the service because I don't really have a part of it. The only thing I'm taking personally is your attack on my post saying that it is an "under cover advertisement" - not necessary to say that. Seems to me the problem is your writer is no good and if they are not cooperating with you then just get try to get your money back or have the head writer remedy the situation. Judging from your experience I think everyone here should hold off on the service until then. Vipul Quote:
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This is the year 2009, we are on the internet, technology has increased by 200% over the last few years alone and is still evolving every single day. Why is this so hard for people to understand ??? Maybe if I spell it out people will get it .... A HUMAN CONTROLLED SPINNER (not the junk someone mentioned above) - Is a spinner that is fully under the control of the writer, meaning every single word that is typed comes directly from the writer and not some pre-set database of words. Since the writer controls every single aspect of spinner his / her article then it does produce very high quality results that are read just as good as the writer can write. James | |
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I think it depends on the spinner you use. I dont know of a good one except for jetspinner which is free but time consuming. I think it is much easier to just write more articles. Mary Green |
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| I suppose I was letting you know about what really seemed to be an advertisement for a horrid service. You wouldn't be the first person here to flog a product they didn't even try, and trust me, you don't need this association. All the best to you. |
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Article Spinning is a Killer Tactic - IF YOU DO IT PROPERLY. I think most of the people that say it is not worthwhile do not do it properly or they have no use for feeder sites. I like human spinner - but agree sometimes you get crappy sentences - still I think it is worth it to throw out a few for the time and effort savings. I used to rewrite all my sentences myself - talk about tedious and boring! Lee |
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So far until your experience I did not know of any bad service rendered with the company and quite honestly yours will be the first that I've heard of, given that it has been a little over a week since I was a member. I am really annoyed by the service that was rendered to you and now I feel compelled to send a comment to them on your behalf as well as hold off on any future articles myself. All the best to you too, Vipul | |
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Could it be that Glenn & James are imagining something different than others when it comes to "spinning"? Synonym and phrase replacement based spinning frequently spouts out garbage and I think that's what many people think of when they think spinning. However, there are spinners that will simply take a few human-written versions of an article (written with the same number of paragraphs, each with the exact same content...just worded differently) and then the spinner interchanges paragraphs. As long as the writing is good in the originals, the end result is highly-readable content. So, I don't know...are you guys arguing about completely different things? Alice |
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What I have and Glenn has is 100% different than anything else on the market. Yes all those crappy spinners use pre-set databases and those god aweful {keyword1|keyword2|keyword3} crap... What a "real" spinner does is use the actual words from the writer himself / herself. The problem with many is they give bad advice saying it dont work because they either have tried a crappy spinner or they have been told all spinners are crap to begin with and they have never actually used one before. Fact is if I can use a "real" spinner to produce 20 articles in 45 minutes and then use those 20 articles (as mentioned in my post above) and spend 3 days creating massive exposure / backlinks.. ~vs~ Either spending $200 + 3 days or spend 5 days writing and then 3 days doing the mass exposure. Then why should I not take advantage and do this, I mean it is all still controlled by myself as the writer and I save a great amount of money and time. Instead of spending those 5 days writing I could be doing more to gain exposure for my business... This is what many fail to see because they have been trained spinners are "Evil" and nothing could be further from the truth. Spinners save a great deal of time and money and can be used for very powerful and effective means, if you use the proper tool the proper way. James | |
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Spinning works if you do it right. Here's how I do it, maybe this will help someone. I take an original article and plug it into PAR. You can use any human controlled spinner. It sounds like Glenn's does the same thing. I rewrite each sentence three times. I then go back into each sentence and do synonym and phrase replacement by hand. I do this for the title, summary and bio box as well. In total it probably takes me about 2.5 hours for each article but I'm a bit slow. The end result is hundreds of articles that are generally 30%-60% unique...sometimes more. And each one fully readable by humans with perfect grammar etc. The original would go on my site, then I used to submit them to article directories by hand. But now I use Milam's Power Article Submitter. It is ideal because the software uses the exact same spin tags. I simply plug the article with the spin tags into the software and it submits the spun unique articles with mostly unique titles, summaries and bio boxes to hundreds of directories. I only do a few per day to keep a steady flow of links coming in. Then if I want to put up a wordpress blog, blogger blog, squidoo lens etc., I just open the file in PAR, hit spin, and out pops yet another fully unique article. Hit the rewrite button again, and there's another article. Copy and paste and you have more links. Even if I spend 4 or 5 hours doing this, do you really think I could write hundreds of articles in 4 or 5 hours? I know I can't do it, and I doubt anyone here can either. There are plenty more uses as well. If you belong to a blog network that you can post to, do the same thing. Write a 200 word post, rewrite each sentence 3 times in PAR, do the hand synonym and phrase replacement and save it. Anytime you want to make a unique post somewhere, hit "rewrite" then copy and paste, putting your link(s) in there. I don't think this makes me lazy. On the contrary, it is a lot of work. But it's less work and less money than having hundreds of articles written for me. And I think the results show it is a pretty good use of my time. Ned |
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Article spinning is a waste of time... just like a construction worker using a nail gun is a waste of time! ![]() If you want to frame a house, you can use a hammer or a nail gun. Both get the same results. But one method is about 10x faster. Rewriting an article by hand or by using a ***GOOD*** spinner both get the same EXACT results. Did I mention the word EXACT? ![]() But one method can help you produce TONS more unique content, with very little extra effort. If you want to use the "hammer" approach to rewriting articles, go ahead. But I'll take the nail gun, thankyou! |
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