CASE STUDY: Google Image Traffic into Cash

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Hello Warriors,

I just wanted to share a case study with the wonderful Warriors here. It's a bit long but I hope it will be of help to everyone.

Google Image traffic is usually seen as being BAD as it doesn't convert well (or doesn't convert at all) irrespective of whether you use AdSense or CPA ads.

After reading up on forums about this kind of traffic, I found out two things:
1. It brings in a LOT of traffic to a website or webpage
2. All those visitors do NOT click on any ads

About 2 months ago I got interested in testing the theory and see if I can get the traffic to convert at all.

So I setup a simple WordPress based website with SEO-ed images. These were basically wallpapers of a popular movie which had a dedicated fan-base. Using Google Keyword Suggestion Tool I found out some keywords that were getting a number of searches and so I used them to optimize my images.

For SEO, I paid attention to the Title, Meta Tags and Sitemap. I submitted the SiteMap to Google and Yahoo.

Stage 1: Initial Setup

The traffic started coming in pretty quickly. Within the first week, I was averaging 700 visitors per day - almost 98% of them from Google Images (measured using Google Analytics)

So, part 1 of the theory was right - it brings in a lot of traffic easily.

To begin with, I only put AdSense ads on all the pages of the site (total 4 pages, each with different wallpapers).

Here, the second part of the theory seemed to be true: the CTR for the ads SUCKED. It was as low as .04% to .1% every day.

I tried to improve the rate by changing ad locations, their size, color etc. Still, no luck.

So the theory was true: lot of traffic, but exteremly low CTR.

However, I wanted to know if it can be converted at all, say, using CPA.



Stage 2: Move to CPA Ads

I put up some related CPA ads that were selling toys and other things related to the movie. Still, no luck. The visitors weren't even clicking through. I tried all possible combinations of color and placement but it didn't materialize into clicks.

At this point, I realized something:
MAYBE, the ads are obscured due to the Google Image frame at the top when people come in through Google Image Search. They then just click the 'See full-size image' link, went directly to the image and downloaded it.

I found out that a JavaScript code would remove the frame but it gets you out of the search results pretty quick. I instead turned to a HTACCESS redirect which redirected the visitor to the actual page when they clicked the 'See full-size image' link.

BINGO, all my traffic was seeing the ads now.

The conversion still sucked but they at least showed an improvement.



Stage 3: List Building

AdSense and CPA both proved to be a bummer. So I decided to try getting them on my list.

I created an Aweber form and put it on the pages that were getting the most traffic (after removing any ads on those pages). They were placed right above the wallpaper image and had a different background color to get attention.

People ACTUALLY signed up on the simple promise of "updates and news" about the movie and more wallpapers. The conversion rate sucked but 2-5 sign ups a day was pretty decent I thought.

I changed the form into a lightbox hover pop-up and it got the sign ups to about 10 per day.

But at this time, I was getting 1500 visitors per day. So the conversion rate was really, really bad.

I put the project on the backburner for a while and the sign ups kept coming in. Then I had an A-HA moment while wondering why people don't sign up:

"Whatever the visitor wanted, was ALREADY on the site."

The wallpaper that the visitor wanted to download was already on the site and she could download it without bothering with signing up to my list.

Now I had to offer them a REASON to sign up.

My offer was: CONVENIENCE.

My site had over 100 wallpapers from the movie. When the visitor came, they downloaded 4-5 at max. I made a simple offer on the sign up form: Sign up and download ALL the wallpapers with a single click.

The conversion rate doubled! I got up to 20-25 sign ups every day.

I experimented with different headlines, text and button text and found out the following:
  1. A simple headline like "WAIT!" or "STOP!" got their attention better than a longer one
  2. When the button text was 'Continue', it converted 1% better than when it was 'Download' (maybe because "Download" meant some kind of risk such as a trojan etc. to the visitor or it just turned them off somehow).
All this was done using Aweber's built-in Split Test function for Web forms.



Stage 4: Making Money (Finally!)

I found that AdSense and CPA doesn't convert well at all and got people to sign up on my list. In the meanwhile, my site got a PR 1 in less than a month! I was bowled over.

Now, the final test: will the list make me money?

I figured that sending them something related to the movie is my best bet.

I did a simple broadcast. I sent them a simple email with a link to a page on my site that contained a trailer of the film (the trailer is awesome btw)

The page was formatted such that it followed my WordPress template. It had the video trailer in the center and only AdSense ads at the bottom.

So there were only two things someone could do after watching the trailer:
Click on the Ads OR Close the Window.

(this particular idea comes from a fellow Warrior's post about setting up a similar page but I forget his name)

Thankfully, they clicked on the ads and IT WORKED!

Google Image Traffic was actually paying me money, albeit indirectly. I experimented with the broadcast subject line too using Aweber's handy split test function for messages. Both subject lines contained the name of the movie and almost had the same open rates.

But I got a lot of spam complaints too. Obviously, because the list of single opt-in. For a week, I made the list double opt-in and the number of confirmed visitors dropped to about 5 per day again.

So, I changed back to single opt in, but on the download page for wallpapers, I restated that I will be sending more emails and in the broadcasts from then on, I put this at the top of the email:

"You are receiving this email because you signed up to receive updates from MySiteName"

That brought the spam complaints down to .01%.

The site's doing well as the movie release comes closer with about 1700 visitors per day (unique). I might just as well sell it

So there is my 'small' case study. If I had to summarize it, here's what I'd say about Google Image traffic and exploiting it:

  1. Make your site FOR Google Image Traffic only. A generic blog that gets image traffic won't give you the same results
  2. Try to get them on your list - use a lightbox hover, it converts VERY WELL.
  3. Use split tests to find which form, broadcast headlines etc convert well - testing goes a long way in figuring out what works.


VERDICT (aka my opinion)

Google Image Traffic can be converted into Cold Hard Cash.

In the future, I'm going to see if these people can actually pay me money for 'make money' products. Maybe I'll do a survey asking them what they want to see more of. But all that's for later.

Hope this helps.
#case #cash #google #image #study #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    Excellent post: detailed and comprehensive.

    The javascript code for removing the box would be handy for everyone - can you provide it?
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  • Profile picture of the author falcon_warrior
    Thanks for the info, really good testing that you did
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Amazingly well written. Thankyou, you are a natural! and yes that javascript code would be handy for others to use too.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    thanks for haring - i have often wondered about image traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Glad you all found it useful

    Ernie and WineBuddy,

    The Javascript code that is used to remove that frame gets your images kicked out of Google Image Search - practically overnight.

    I simply create a .HTACCESS file and place it in my image directory. The code in that file is below:
    Code:
    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?YourDomain\.com [NC]
    RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
    RewriteRule \.(jpeg|jpg|gif|bmp|png)$ http://www.YourDomain.com/ [L]
    That simple code redirects everyone who clicks the "See full size image" link in google image to the actual page on my website (which has the lightbox form)

    Hope this helps.

    Sagar
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisJamesG
      Hi Sagar,

      So the code you put below, do you type in:

      <img src="picture.jpg"

      [code]RewriteEngine On
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?YourDomain\.com [NC]
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
      RewriteRule \.(jpeg|jpg|gif|bmp|png)$ http://www.YourDomain.com/ [L]

      >

      ?

      Thanks alot
      Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

      Glad you all found it useful

      Ernie and WineBuddy,

      The Javascript code that is used to remove that frame gets your images kicked out of Google Image Search - practically overnight.

      I simply create a .HTACCESS file and place it in my image directory. The code in that file is below:
      Code:
      RewriteEngine On
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www.)?YourDomain.com [NC]
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
      RewriteRule .(jpeg|jpg|gif|bmp|png)$ http://www.YourDomain.com/ [L]
      That simple code redirects everyone who clicks the "See full size image" link in google image to the actual page on my website (which has the lightbox form)

      Hope this helps.

      Sagar
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      • Profile picture of the author Stallion
        Originally Posted by ChrisJamesG View Post

        Hi Sagar,

        So the code you put below, do you type in:

        <img src="picture.jpg"

        [code]RewriteEngine On
        RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www.)?YourDomain.com [NC]
        RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
        RewriteRule .(jpeg|jpg|gif|bmp|png)$ http://www.YourDomain.com/ [L]

        >

        ?

        Thanks alot
        No. What he quoted was HTACCESS. You create an .htaccess file and upload it to the root of your domain.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
          Originally Posted by Morten_Madsen View Post

          Yeah I agree...

          Some of my pages gets sometimes 60% if I'm lucky... NEVER under 4%.. EVER!
          I'm not much into AdSense but even I haven't seen such poor CTRs on any of my pages. But I do have to believe the stats I have

          Originally Posted by Stallion View Post

          No. What he quoted was HTACCESS. You create an .htaccess file and upload it to the root of your domain.
          A small correction there. The HTACCESS file has to be placed inside the directory where all the images are an not in the root of the domain.

          Sagar
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    • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
      I can't get this htaccess file to work. I tried inserting both my homepage domain (top and bottom) as well as the specific page permalinks. I also tried combinations of both, with homepage on top and the specific permalink at the bottom. I also tried the specific image upload url. I used all the slashes,? etc as shown in the code. Is that correct to do? Because when I try to copy the modified code in this post here those characters get changed (they just don't show up or are replaced with dots). Please help, I really would like to do this!

      Also, please get back to me on my earlier questions too. Very much appreciated!

      p.s. On a side note - one could also just use 301 redirects for each image, right? There's a WP plugin for that already that I'm using. However I assume this would take my pix out of google images altogether since it wouldn't be able to find the actual upload location. Correct?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
        Originally Posted by FlashDriveDT View Post

        Does the htaccess file need to be tweaked for each individual image with a redirect to the each specific page url or can it be done generally? I have so many pages with images, it would be a lot of work doing it individually (but probably worth it).

        Since I have several image folders (each month has a WP uploads folder) can I still use that htaccess code or do I need to put the images all in one folder? Again, that would be a lot of work (fixing the img src codes in my posts).

        Using this method doesn't hurt google ranking at all?

        Thanks in advance,
        DT
        DT, I've attached a text file to this post. You can download it and make necessary changes to the HTACCESS code. Make sure you only edit "yourdomain.com" and leave all symbols as they are and save the file as ".htaccess"

        The htaccess code doesn't need to be tweaked for each image.

        You said that your images are saved in different folders, due to WordPress's month-wise arrangement.

        What you can do is place the htaccess file in the "uploads" folder inside which you have all the monthly folders (because WordPress aranges uploads in "wp-content/uploads/monthname" format). So, if you take that file and place it in uploads, it will redirect all images to a common page.

        This won't work too well because you would want all images to redirect to the pages they are actually placed on, right? You'll have to create a separate .htaccess file for every PAGE that contains images and make sure that all images for that page are in one folder. Then, you'll have to place the HTACCESS file in that folder. Makes sense?

        I'm not too sure about 301 redirects as I haven't used them. How long have you been using the plugin and are your images still in the search engines?


        Originally Posted by DavidTheMavin View Post

        Interesting, but everyone I've ever known with image traffic always used CPM ads. Surely you'd be making more if you were also getting paid per impression, no?
        David, thanks for the suggestion. The idea to put up CPM ads didn't even cross my mind!!! Thanks a lot, I'll try to use them too

        Regards,
        Sagar
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        • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
          Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

          DT, I've attached a text file to this post. You can download it and make necessary changes to the HTACCESS code. Make sure you only edit "yourdomain.com" and leave all symbols as they are and save the file as ".htaccess"

          The htaccess code doesn't need to be tweaked for each image.

          You said that your images are saved in different folders, due to WordPress's month-wise arrangement.

          What you can do is place the htaccess file in the "uploads" folder inside which you have all the monthly folders (because WordPress aranges uploads in "wp-content/uploads/monthname" format). So, if you take that file and place it in uploads, it will redirect all images to a common page.
          Thanks for the reply and txt file! At first it still didn't work but in a flash of genius I figured the problem could be my browser's cache. And sure enough after I cleared it the redirect works!

          This won't work too well because you would want all images to redirect to the pages they are actually placed on, right? You'll have to create a separate .htaccess file for every PAGE that contains images and make sure that all images for that page are in one folder. Then, you'll have to place the HTACCESS file in that folder. Makes sense?
          Yes and no. First of all I think it would be just fair to redirect a visitor to the specific page since after all, he or she is looking for that image. I'm sure they would get annoyed with me if all my images redirected to my homepage which has nothing to do with this or that specific image. So yes, I would like to do this on an individual basis. I think the work will be well worth it unless one could come up with an easier solution. How about developing this into a WP plugin, eh? You could charge a little money for it, I'm sure lot's of marketers would love such a redirect. But you'd have to find a good way of enabling redirects to several, individual pages.

          Here's the prob: Every page from a specific month loads its images from the specific month folder so it would be a lot of work shifting them all to individual folders for each individual page. Because that's what you would have to do if I understood you correctly, right? You'd also have to redo the image links for the pages. Wouldn't it be possible to list each specific command in one single .htaccess leaving the WP folder structure intact? Or maybe its possible to use a different name for each individual htaccess and put them in the uploads folder? Would google recognize that? I guess not, huh.

          I'm not too sure about 301 redirects as I haven't used them. How long have you been using the plugin and are your images still in the search engines?
          I'm not using the redirect plugin for the images, only for my 404 errors. Using it to redirect the images was just an idea of mine. And I think it's a dumb one because putting a redirect on an image location ("xxx/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/xx.jpg" redirecting to page "xxx") should make the image disappear from the page. Shouldn't it? That would kinda defeat the purpose. But maybe I'll give it a try anyway and see what happens.
          Thanks again, Sagar!
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    Sagar. You just gave me a great idea! Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Melanie Crouse
    Great post, Sagar!

    One question though - how do you use a single opt-in with Aweber? I thought they were double opt-in only.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Thanks Greenovni and Melanie.

    In Aweber, if you go to My Lists > Confirmed Opt-In, you can turn it off or on for every list. Only limitation is that it applies to ALL your web-forms and not selected ones.

    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    I'm not sure Fabian but that may be the case. I'm a member since August 2007 if that's any help.

    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author gxd5
    I can't believe you only got .1% ctr on your adsense. I'm able to get 6-7% ctr off of google image traffic using adsense.

    How were you placing your ads? Were you using link units or text links?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Sagar: Excellent explanation! .... Very detailed and instructive.

    Thanks for the .HTACCESS file. too.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Great job testing this out for all of us

    What I wanted to ask you was do you think that your ctr would increase
    the old way if you opted to display image ads instead of text ads?

    In theory it shoudl convert better bc the ad is an image and they clicked
    on an image - so there's some sort of congruency there.

    Just sayin'
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    My pleasure, Bruce. Glad you found it useful.

    GXD: I've tried ad units and link units. I think the reason for the low CTR is a combination of factors.

    The ads that come up are not relevant to the movie itself. Apart from the occasional ringtone and wallpaper ads, the others are just plain random ads that don't relate to the content. This is probably because there are not as many as ads on the topic in the first place.

    I've tried a couple of combinations of placement and color (including one that hurts the eye lol) but the conversions are still low. My stats tell me that the visitor is more interested in browsing through the collection of wallpapers. I'd really like to know how you're getting that kind of a CTR

    Jason: That's another thing I haven't tried: Google Image Ads. But after seeing that the ad and link units have only a few relevant ads, I wonder how many relevant image ads will come up. I think I'll try some other ad network instead, say, Yahoo.

    Chris: The code I shared above goes inside the .htaccess file that you create in notepad. Then, you just put that file in the directory where your images are saved on your server. You can use the HTML img tag to embed images anywhere as you would normally do. The HTACCESS file just makes sure that people who find your image using image search, end up on your homepage instead of just saving the image without visiting it.

    EDIT: Forgot to add that all your images must be in the same folder for the HTACCESS file to work. I'm using a plugin called "Gallery" to display the images and it stores all the images in wp-content/gallery. If your images are inside some directory (say, wp-content/gallery/wallpapers) then you need to put the htaccess file in the wallpapers directory.

    Regards,
    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    I take it we can redirect this traffic anywhere we want to using the .htaccess including other websites, correct?
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Sagar,

      Thanks, that's a great study.

      These were basically wallpapers of a popular movie which had a dedicated fan-base.
      Could you share where you got these from please? Did you aquire them or create them yourself? I'm also interested in the answer to Greenovni's question above too.

      Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Hey Sagar,

    thank you for the insight.
    I also noticed the traffic flowing from my
    google image searches, since I usually use
    at least one image in each blog post

    Igor
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  • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
    Great post. One of the best I have read for a long time.

    Well Done and thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      I take it we can redirect this traffic anywhere we want to using the .htaccess including other websites, correct?
      Yes, that's possible. In the HTACCESS code I provided, the last line controls where the person is redirected to:
      Code:
      RewriteRule .(jpeg|jpg|gif|bmp|png)$ http://www.yourdomain.com/ [L]
      So, you can change http://www.yourdomain.com to anything you like and the visitor will be redirected there.

      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

      Hi Sagar,

      Could you share where you got these from please? Did you aquire them or create them yourself? I'm also interested in the answer to Greenovni's question above too.Cheers!
      I created some of them myself in Photoshop. But most of them were available for download online as there are a number of websites offering the same wallpapers.

      Regards,
      Sagar
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
        Hey Sagar,

        Thanks for sharing....very thorough...

        Also, appreciate the redirect...

        Regards

        Greg
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenneth Fox
    Hey Sagar,

    Awesome case study. I appreciate you taking
    the time to share it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rufus Steele
    Excellent post Sagar, well detailed and explained and full of good, solid info.

    Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack Lim
      Hi Sagar,

      This is a excellent post with solid content.

      Thank you for sharing

      Zack
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    I'm glad you all found the post so useful

    Bob, I'd like to keep the website URL to myself for 2 reasons. First, it might be seen as self promotional and the thread will get booted which would be bad. Secondly, I just want to keep it personal as it could easily lead to competition (not pointing towards you or the Warriors here but there are a number of lurkers on the forum). I hope you would understand

    Regards,
    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamM
    Sagar,

    I have a few questions.

    1. Was the movie you chose to promote already in theaters and, is so, for how long.

    2. Where did you get the images to put on your blog? Were they copyright free?

    3. Did you include any text in your posts or images only?

    4. You mentioned getting 700 visitors a day the first week. How many posts did you have on the blog at this time?

    5. Did you continue to add posts? If so, how many and how often?

    Thanks for your attention.

    William
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  • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
    Sorry if this question has been asked before, but how can you use images that don't belong to you. Aren't those images copyrighted?

    Kind regards and thanks.

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
      Originally Posted by WilliamM View Post

      Sagar,

      1. Was the movie you chose to promote already in theaters and, is so, for how long.

      2. Where did you get the images to put on your blog? Were they copyright free?

      3. Did you include any text in your posts or images only?

      4. You mentioned getting 700 visitors a day the first week. How many posts did you have on the blog at this time?

      5. Did you continue to add posts? If so, how many and how often?

      Thanks for your attention.

      William
      Hello William,

      Thanks for all the questions. Let me answer serial wise:

      1. No, the one I did the case study on is going to be released. However, one of my other sites also based on a movie released in Sept 2008 still receives 100 uniques a day. That movie is not as popular as this one and traffic has still been consistent.
      2. I created some wallpapers myself using Photoshop. Others were taken from wallpapers site and other places which claimed no copyright.
      3. Not much text content apart from some basic info about the film
      4. The whole blog is divided into 4 pages. There are no posts at all. Just 4 pages, one for the movie wallpapaers, one for the hero, one for the heroin and one for trailers.
      5. No, I haven't added any posts or images since I set it up.
      Hope I was able to answer properly

      Originally Posted by Hackbridge View Post

      Sorry if this question has been asked before, but how can you use images that don't belong to you. Aren't those images copyrighted?
      Brian
      Not a problem Brian. Always happy to answer! In my best knowledge they are not copyrighted. These wallpapers are released for anyone to use and I'm not profiting from the wallpapers themselves, if you know what I mean. I am not selling the wallpapers, they are just on the site for anyone to download - just like other wallpaper sites.

      Regards,
      Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author mr.schutz
    Great post! thank you for the heads up.
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Great tips, Sagar! Most of my traffic is from google images too and it always bugged me that I probably won't get much conversions from them. I've done pretty good SEO on my images and the captions as well as the images itself are affiliate links. But like you said, if people only click on "see full sized image" in the google bar they won't even see your site. I have to admit I'm guilty of this myself. I guess it's impatience.

    So I got a few questions.

    Does the htaccess file need to be tweaked for each individual image with a redirect to the each specific page url or can it be done generally? I have so many pages with images, it would be a lot of work doing it individually (but probably worth it).

    Since I have several image folders (each month has a WP uploads folder) can I still use that htaccess code or do I need to put the images all in one folder? Again, that would be a lot of work (fixing the img src codes in my posts).

    Using this method doesn't hurt google ranking at all?

    Thanks in advance,
    DT
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidTheMavin
    Interesting, but everyone I've ever known with image traffic always used CPM ads. Surely you'd be making more if you were also getting paid per impression, no?
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Btw, how would the code look like for a specific page? Could you provide a txt file for that please? Here's the one I used but it doesn't work. (I placed it into the uploads folder and replaced the general htaccess with it)
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    A great case study - thanks for sharing.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Will, thanks for your kind words. Glad to know you found it useful : )

    DT,

    In the HTACCESS file you provided me, the code is:
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    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?usbmemorysticks\.net/find-super-talent-godfather-memory-sticks [NC]
    RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
    RewriteRule \.(jpeg|jpg|gif|bmp|png)$ http://www.usbmemorysticks.net/find-super-talent-godfather-memory-sticks [L]
    Notice the part in bold. That needs to be removed and it will work just fine. Then, you need to place the htaccess file in the folder that contains the images for the page.

    Basically, if your page is "find-super-talent-godfather-memory-sticks", then you need to place the htaccess file in the folder which contains the images for THAT page. Getting my point?

    You cannot name the htaccess file anything other than ".htaccess". That's the only way that it works.

    RE the monthly folders, I don't know of a way to use one .htaccess to handle all image redirects. You'll have to rearrange everything and make sure that images for one page are in one particular folder. However, you can turn off the option to arrange images in month-wise folders inside WordPress.

    I use the Gallery WordPress plugin by the way. So when I need to add images to a page, I upload them packed inside a zip file via Gallery and it creates a new folder for those images with the name you choose. Then I place the htaccess INSIDE that folder. When I need to put up another page with different images, I again upload them via Gallery to have another folder with all images for the page in one place.

    Hope this helps : )

    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Hmm, I'm not ready to give up on this yet. Shouldn't it be possible to write the specific image url in the 2nd line of your code and in the 4th the specific redirect url? And then just list them one after another in one htaccess? Just out of curiosity, how would a longer permalink in the 2nd line have to look (since there's slashes and stuff)?

    Also, I don't understand why a simple 301 redirect doesn't seem to work for this. I tried via plugin and no success. Then I tried manually by modifying the root htaccess but that doesn't work either unless I'm writing the image url incorrectly. This is what I added:
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    redirect 301 /wp-content/uploads/2009/04/godfather-flash-drive-packaging.jpg http://www.usbmemorysticks.net/find-super-talent-godfather-memory-sticks
    What's wrong? I'm really new to all this so I guess I should go sign up with a webmaster forum...

    p.s.: Where in WP do I turn off monthly-wise image arranging? Do I need the gallery plugin for that? Alreay downloaded it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    DT,

    The 301 redirect won't work because you cannot use it to redirect an image to a webpage. The target to which the image is redirected should also be an image.

    To turn off the month wise arranging, go to Settings > Miscellaneous and there's an option that says "Organize my uploads into month- and year-based folders" which you can turn off.

    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
    Hi, Sagar,

    How do you get image traffic? You just put some picture on your website, and don't do anything else, then people will go to your website?

    Do you need to do SEO about your picture on your website? If yes, what exactly it is? For example, alt text, caption? etc.

    If people search in google image, can we do something to make our picture show in the first search result? Or we cannot do anything about it?

    Regularly, when I want to put some picture on my website, I just use keyword to search in google image and then choose some nice pic, copy it, save it in my computer, and then upload to my website. That means I use picures that are already listed in google image search result. My question is: if so, will those pictures on my website get indexed in google's image result or not?

    Thank you for your time!
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    @Sagar I was able to turn it off now, thanks!

    @tycoon I would always make it a point to rename the image files you copy from the web. Give it a clear, good name that includes the keyword. Same with the alt and captions (but with a bit variety - keep in mind the alt is there to describe the picture to the blind). If the text immediately above or under the image also contains the keyword that helps too. Also, if you just reuse images it might be a good idea to change the appearance a little so that it stands out among the other google search images. E.g. rotating, different background, merging with another relevant image etc. I'm not an expert but that's what I've gathered so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Well, I was just about to shift around my image files when something occured to me. All the images that are currently cached with google will become outdated - meaning anyone who clicks on it will get a 404, unless I do a 301 redirect on every image with the old link structure. So I would have even more work than I thought. Plus I'm not sure if google will like this? How long would it take for google to re-index all my images with a new url location? Even if it's quickly, what would happen to the ones from the old cache? The image file names would be the same. Thanks for any insight!
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    I think I would give it a try since it looks like you have given me all the necessary details to start, Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Oh oh. Something happened that wasn't very good.

    I tested this out with one of my images that was already indexed in google images. I transfered it into a specific page folder ("find-xx-flash-drive" which is also the permalink of the page) and placed the properly tweaked htacess file in that folder. Then I did a 301 redirect of the old image location (wp-content/uploads/2009/02/xx.jpg) to the new (wp-content/gallery/find-xx-flash-drive/xx.jpg).

    So now when I clicked on the image in google search the redirect took place and then the htaccess command which took me successfully to the specific page (instead of showing just the image). However, the permalink of my page didn't display in the address bar and instead it gave the title of the post as the permalink. Very strange! I looked in my editor and sure enough all this redirecting made wordpress change the permalink structure of that page. WTH? :confused:

    So I changed it back to the old permalink name (more desirable) and that messed up things for good. Now the page wouldn't load at all anymore and the browser said something like "this page is rerouted in a way that it never reaches the target". LOL. Yeah kinda funny but unfortunately my whole website went down for several minutes then! ARGH.

    Luckily the site recovered after I deleted the htaccess and the redirect and put everything back to how it was before. Now does anyone know why this happened? I am using the permalink setting as "/%postname%" so maybe it's not compatible with this sort of double rerouting - which is strange. One reroute works fine with it, whether that's only using this htaccess redirect or a 301 redirect. But not both in combination. My server is hostgator. Any ideas?

    If anything I have to nix the 301 redirects and have my images disappear from google search. Then hopefully they will quickly be reindexed with the new folder locations and their htaccess redirects. But this could take a long time, right? Google images seems strange anyway. Some of my pix are indexed and some are not, regardless of their age. And the SEO is the same for all my images which is to say all is very carefully crafted. I feel like I opened a big can of worms...:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Flash,

    You seem to have run into a worst-case scenario lol.

    I don't think the permalink structure is coming in the way of the HTACCESS - as my site is setup in the same way.

    I really don't have any idea about the 301 redirect as I've never worked with that. I hope someone more familiar with it could chime in here and answer.

    Why not try out the whole concept with a new site? That way, you won't have to mess with this site which you've spent quite a lot of time to bring to its current level.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    LOL, true Sagar. But I think I figured it out. I had an option of this 301 redirect plugin enabled which was to monitor all url changes and automatically set up redirects. That really messed things up. I disabled that feature and now I'm back in control. And even better yet - the htaccess works now! That is, WITH a 301 redirect for the image location. It just takes a while for the page to load....after I click on "see full size image". About 10 seconds...do you think that's normal? Ahh, this is sweet. I think the hassle was worth it. From now on I will use the gallery structure with its htaccesses. Thanks again for bringing this to our attention Sagar!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    That's great DT! Congrats on getting it working. Thanks for all your kind words - I'm glad you liked the whole case study

    Let me know what kind of results you get from the image traffic. I'd love to know how it works out for you. Feel free to PM me if you need any help.

    Regards,
    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    I have a new question about this. So far I couldn't achieve any results with this because after restructuring my folders for this and hence changing image locations google image search had to reindex all my pix. At first I was a little worried because my images kept vanishing from the index but fortunately the image bot is picking them up again with the new URLs.

    That's where my question comes in. If I was to implement the htaccess for all images right now would it stop the image bot from indexing my pix? In other words, would the htaccess redirect the bots too? The indexing process is somewhat lengthy so I would like to start. Plus I don't know if I should discontinue my participation in the enhanced google image labeler then. Any insights here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Dennis,

    It's a little hard to say. However, I'll tell you what I did and you can judge for yourself:

    When I first setup my setup my site, it didn't have any redirects. That meant that people were coming to the site through the image search and then downloading the image without seeing the site itself. I installed the redirects about 15-18 days later.

    When I did that, I didn't see an drop in traffic. I checked out the image results and my wallpapers were still there.

    I think in your case, only the actual path to the images has changed and hence the search engine needs to reindex them. Otherwise, the HTACCESS redirect that I did doesn't affect the bot.

    Not too sure about Google Image Labeler but can't understand how it would affect your images particularly.

    Regards,
    Sagar
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Thanks for the quick reply Sagar. Are you sure all your pix with the htaccess are still in the image index? Because two days ago I used the htacess on two images that were already indexed. Now they're gone. And only those two, the rest is still the same (66 images indexed, all without the htaccess). I will wait a couple more days and see if Google will reindex those two. If not, it seems that google penalizes this use of htaccess. To test this out I just redirected another image of my site. Let's see if it will vanish too.

    As for the google image labeler, apparently it's not offered anymore in the new google webmaster interface. So it's not an issue anymore.
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  • How long do you estimate the popularity of the movie will keep traffic flowing. How do you plan to shift the site over to a new movie or new product with the same method?

    That's the only real downside I see with your existing model... it relies on a product that is time sensitive... unless of course it's series like Star Wars which keeps attracting fans over the long haul.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Dennis,

    I'm pretty sure I wasn't penalized because even right now I'm getting traffic from those same images. I can see the same images in the index as well. There's a very minute chance that I missed the "de-index -- re-index" google dance for my images because I didn't check immediately after I applied to HTACCESS, but right now, they are there.

    InternetMarketingIQ: Thanks for bringing that up. I totally forgot to mention in anywhere I think. Yes, its a good idea to go after movies (or any topic) that have a chance of getting visitors for the long houl. As you mentioned, Star Wars is one. Disney Channel programs are another. There are other movie series that can work too like Resident Evil (with a 4th installment already in the works).

    Sagar
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