I just Made My First $20 from Article Marketing!

[ken_p]

congratulations! that's the way to go!! and keep doing what is working for you.

[adamv]

Bigjock,

I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying but not all of it. It sounds like you're saying writing articles for others is vastly superior than posting the articles yourself and selling affiliate products with them. If it were true that you couldn't make decent money by using your articles to sell affiliate products the people who write for others would not have many customers.

I'm not making 6 figures yet but I have four websites that get more than 90% of there traffic from articles I wrote back in February and March. Will the residual income last a lifetime? maybe not but I recently had to take 3 weeks off and not do any work on the computer and I still made the same daily income. If I were writing for clients and suddenly had to stop, the income would suddenly stop as well.

If you can make $1000 per day writing for others I think that's fantastic but article marketing works too. I have not hit my ultimate income goal yet but the money keeps coming every day whether I work or not so I think I'll keep doing it.

If someone wants to sell their articles to others for a one off fee, that's fine but I can make a lot more money with my articles by keeping them for myself and using them to sell affiliate products and services and using them for backlinks and SEO purposes.

There's more than one way to make a dollar online and I'm always a little irritated by the posts that say this way works and this way sucks. Article marketing works very well for a lot of people and I am going to continue doing it.

As far as congratulating someone for making there first sale, that's a lot different than congratulating someone for making $20 for 7 months of work. That's not what I was doing with my post. I was congratulating her for reaching a milestone that a lot of people will never reach and that's the first sale.

Of course no one in their right mind would think that $20 for 7 months of work is a great accomplishment but making that first sale IS a great accomplishment. That 7 months was a learning experience. When a doctor gets out of medical school and gets their first paycheck it might be for $1000 which, after 8 years of medical school and many thousands of dollars spent on education is terrible. But the income doesn't stop there. They keep working and making more money which is exactly what Stay at home mum is going to do.

[Johnny12345]

Originally Posted by bigjock

I can get anyone to $1000 a week within 2 weeks though....and it grows from there.

It isnt a simple matter to do it or explain it...but the two key elements are getting enough quality work and doing the work fast enough.

Bigjock,

Good info. Thanks. But you left out a couple of important things...

1) How do you write a quality article in "6 minutes"?

2) How do you keep from writing, in effect, the same articles over and over again? For example, how many DIFFERENT articles can anyone really write about poker or any other topic?

Johnny

[Davion Wong]

Congrats! The smell of the first sale is always the most refreshing and encouraging! Continue to build up the momentum and I am confident that you will see more sales pouring in!

Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum

Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

$20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

WOO HOO!!!!

[Shane Hale]

Awesome,

I made my first in affiliate marketing a while back now made my first in CPA marketing! It feels awesome!! Congrats !!

[ASM Marketing]

Congratulations Liz, you've broken the barrier and now that you know you can make money, it will become a lot easier from here - your work will feel more valuable. Well done on expanding your online real estate too

As my mother used to say to me, "you get out what you put in"

Great points by Big Jock too. Even though the presentation of points appeared abrubt, he makes some excellent points that I think most of us have noted, particularly about too many marketers getting caught in fantasy land.

Alex

[millionwq]

Great Job and congratulations Stay home mum!

I've been on my site for a month still waiting for my first sale though! =D

[Eliza. N]

Hello,

Well done!!

When you see the bar on your clickbank account extend for the first time, there is no feeling like it, especially when you have spent months learning how to do just that.

I wrote 34 articles when I first started article marketing and the sales began to trickle in. For about 3 day's work I made approx $150 in the first 2 months from these articles and counting, so that isn't too shabby. Stay at homes's article may make more money in the future so, in effect, it will be the end amount for say 30 minutes work or however long it took her to write it. The rest of the time spent can be racked up to learning for future income.

I too write articles for others over at Elance as well as for myself and think both are excellent strategies to make money.

Keep doing what you are doing and learn more about strategies in IM to further your business.

Regards

[absolutelee]

Great going! I remember my first sale. It's like..."wow! this really does work!" The first sale is by far the most important. Hope you have many more.

Lee

[Barry Walls]

Originally Posted by Johnny12345

Bigjock,

Good info. Thanks. But you left out a couple of important things...

1) How do you write a quality article in "6 minutes"?

2) How do you keep from writing, in effect, the same articles over and over again? For example, how many DIFFERENT articles can anyone really write about poker or any other topic?

Johnny

Hi Johnny

Ok....Im going to apologise for coming across as abrupt...but it was really exasperation and incredulity. Ofcourse, its great to get your first sale, and Liz deserves top marks for persistence and positivity. Both are admirable qualities.

To answer your question Jonny...

1. Do it in 6 minutes by knowing your topic backwards or having a lot to say on the topic. Once you've written on the same subject for a week...your research time will shrink and shrink. When you have ZERO research to do, you can write off the top of your head in the flow state. Then, it's simple. Also, there are multiple leverage points in article writing.

2. Poker is a bad example for what you are getting at. Poker is an incredibly complex game that looks easy...(which is why it's so profitable).
I could write 3000 articles on it. Its one of my favourite topics.

I would also say something about a word you put in which i didnt use...quality.

You wont be writing for the Financial Times or the Wall Street journal.

At $10 or $12 per article, (the bare minimum you should write a 500 word article for) sensible buyers know they aren't going to get a journalistic quality of writing. Have a few facts, have a good structure and you're half way home.

Id like to address a point to Adam. I knwo what yo mean. Passive income is kick ass...but consider this...

If someone earns $1000 a day for 300 days a year for 2 years and saves 80% of what they earn with a view to investing sensibly for a passive income of 10% (real estate is already producing this yeild and it will get better in many places), they have a lifetime, inflation protected gross income of $4000 per month...with equity to leverage when the bottom comes in a few years.

24 months of really hard work is all it takes.

All the best

Barry

[adamv]

Originally Posted by bigjock

Id like to address a point to Adam. I knwo what yo mean. Passive income is kick ass...but consider this...

If someone earns $1000 a day for 300 days a year for 2 years and saves 80% of what they earn with a view to investing sensibly for a passive income of 10% (real estate is already producing this yeild and it will get better in many places), they have a lifetime, inflation protected gross income of $4000 per month...with equity to leverage when the bottom comes in a few years.

24 months of really hard work is all it takes.

All the best

Barry

I agree with you 100% that being able to make $1000 per day gives you a lot of options finacially and you could definitely invest that and set yourself up pretty well.

However, for me to make $1000 per day ghost writing, I would need to charge $75 to $100 per article. I can't write 40 $25 articles every day. And at $100 per article I'm not sure I could even write 10 because I'd want to make them absolutely incredible at that price.

I think both methods work (writing for others for higher dollar amounts and writing for yourself to sell products and services). Both methods work and it's up to everyone to choose the path they wish to take.

The tips you laid out in an earlier post on this thread about how you go about writing were very helpful so thanks for that. It just seemed like you were saying that you can't make any real money by writing articles to sell affiliate products and services and that couldn't be further from the truth. If I'm mistaken, then I apologize but that's how it sounded and a lot of people make great income doing nothing but selling affiliate products.

All of my income comes from the articles I've written and I'm working on SEO for my websites so I can increase my income but I'm pretty happy with what my articles have done for me.

If you just write articles, submit to EZA, and then move on to the next article then you're right, that's not going to bring in long term traffic and residual income very often but if you spend a little time building some backlinks to your articles and getting them to rank in the search engines your articles can bring a lot of traffic for a long time.

I agree with your views on how your strategy works I just don't agree with your views on how the article marketing strategy doesn't.

[mr.schutz]

Congatulations to you stay @ home mum! Wishing you more and more soon! Keep up the good job...

[Barry Walls]

I'm not saying it doesn't work at all...it clearly does...to a degree. That degree is a fraction of the alternative for doing the exact same work. Infact, article marketing is harder than writing...because you also have to market after you've written. Twice as long for 1/4 the money.

I dont know if those are your metrics, but whatever your metrics are, if you're happy with it, do it. Theres more to life than money.

Also, not all people are writing articles to to sell affiliate products. Infact...I cant think of one person who hired me who does.

Some want to become an authority site. One guy I worked for recently spends over $20k a month on articles. He has no interest in making money. Hes a political activist with a big trust fund who hates the "new world order" thats coming in.

If you are making substantial, long term residual income from your articles, I think a ton of people where would love to hear how you do it...including me...because you are an exception to the rule....you're totally wrecking the curve.

It doesnt surprise me that you dont think you could earn so much money in one day. You're thinking through this mindset....you're mapping out in your mind the process you need to go through as you currently do it...are you thinking you have to do this?

1. Win the article writing work
2. Research the article
3. Write the article
4. Edit the article
5. Send the article off

You can't earn $1000 a day doing this. You'd struggle to earn $200 a day doing this. I can't think of a way you would earn less money as an article writer.

Im not going to go into any more detail about this here...but there is incredible amount of leverage potential at each step there.

All the best

Barry

[edman]

Congratulations.. it's the best motivation in the world when you actually cross that boundry of no sale to sale...

I think no matter how much I convinced myself that I could really make money from my article, I never really thought it was possible until it actually happened , and each time I find that I can make some more, and more

Great Job, and now I'm sure you'll work differently so that you can make another 20, and another and another..because you know you can

send me a PM and I'll send you my AMI Article writer and all it's goodies as seen in the WSO.... This is cause for celebration

[cubaguy]

Way to go, it will get better from here..

[edman]

I'm sorry, but you're sounding like someone who is looking for a praise about your work ... It's not about you mate and it's not about the $20... Once you figure out how you made $1, then it is easier to duplicate that, and keep going.

Also the fact that you actually know you could make money is a great source of energy to keep you going. Eventually, she can be sleeping and earning a lot more than $1000 a day consistently, maybe not just from articles but from a combination of different sources.

She is trying to sell products using articles, you are writing articles and get paid for it... two different things here mate...

From what I understand above, you have to write about 50 articles a day, every day to get paid that amount, and if you stop writing you don't earn... I'm not sure it's a job you should advice just anyone to go into, except that person is passionate about writing all day.

The articles I wrote for people in the past were $150/article only, don't think I can do it for $20

Originally Posted by bigjock

Congratulating people for making $20 for 7 months work?

Even if she worked in a Chinese sweat shop, she'd earn more.

I have a real issue with working for 7 months for $20. Its inhumane and shouldn't be encouraged. Its nothing short of disgraceful. If she was employed at this rate by a large corporation, it would be front page news all over the world...but on teh warrior forum, congrats? Seriously....WFT?

This stay at home mom can keep doing what she has been doing, and maybe her next $20 will come twice as fast...from only 4 months work...

or...

She can take her (by now, polished) article writing skills and earn a minimum of $100 a day from tomorrow in a few hours at elance.

In 4 months, working a 5 days week, she would earn $6,000. In reality, she would earn twice this...and probably three time this.

Now, if this stay at home mom was your mom, which route would you tell her to take?

[Barry Walls]

Originally Posted by edman

Once you figure out how you made $1, then it is easy to duplicate that, and keep going. eventually, she can be sleeping and earning

I take your point...but I've never seen solid evidence that this is true.

If you want to provide some...I'll take back my scepticism.

[Stay At Home Mum]

Originally Posted by edman

Congratulations.. it's the best motivation in the world when you actually cross that boundry of no sale to sale...

I think no matter how much I convinced myself that I could really make money from my article, I never really thought it was possible until it actually happened , and each time I find that I can make some more, and more

Great Job, and now I'm sure you'll work differently so that you can make another 20, and another and another..because you know you can

send me a PM and I'll send you my AMI Article writer and all it's goodies as seen in the WSO.... This is cause for celebration

Hi Edman

Thankyou for your comments and your offer - would love the opportunity to use your AMI tool. I am unable to PM you because I am still a newbie and haven't made enough posts. So I am not sure how else I would be able to get in touchwith you.... but thankyou!

[edman]

Hello Bigjock,

Thanks for the reply

I think it's not about you taking back your skepticism, because I am not trying to convince you to actually follow another path because you are wrong... in your way you are right.

One point I was also making is that everyone is different... some like to paint, while others like to solve equations... we can't convince one or the other that either is easier or better because in the end they are both happy and it's a pleasure for them to do what they do.

However about the proof you are asking for... I'm not sure about the proof you need, but I can give you a basic example with an article since we are on that topic

In 2004 I published an article in webpronews and at the time I was promoting my reverse auction script, that article brought me a lot of traffic, which converted into sales, and when I realized that it was the article making the difference in my traffic, I took the same article and posted it in many other places. The result was still positive, but not in all places... some websites produce more traffic, while others none at all. This was when I actually started to look deeper into the effects of articles on traffic.

Also when you look at wikipedia, they dominate a lot of search terms in Google, What if you could build an authority website in your niche or industry, with only top quality articles?

So basically for me these are systems that worked and one could duplicate.... and when you do, you'll find out that there are many more things you can do, or need to do to get better results.

For example, posting 100 articles may not give you the result you are looking for, but 100 quality article can. Also where you publish them can make a difference too.

You keep going till you perfect your system each time... so from your $1 sale, when trying to duplicate that system, you may find out that adding a little bonus to your offer could even triple that $1 etc...

Originally Posted by bigjock

I take your point...but I've never seen solid evidence that this is true.

If you want to provide some...I'll take back my scepticism.

[edman]

Hello,

No problem, I will PM you tomorrow when I get to my other system so I can get you the key.

Have a great day

Edward

Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum

Hi Edman

Thankyou for your comments and your offer - would love the opportunity to use your AMI tool. I am unable to PM you because I am still a newbie and haven't made enough posts. So I am not sure how else I would be able to get in touchwith you.... but thankyou!

[Barry Walls]

Originally Posted by edman

Hello Bigjock,

Thanks for the reply

I think it's not about you taking back your skepticism, because I am not trying to convince you to actually follow another path because you are wrong... in your way you are right.

One point I was also making is that everyone is different... some like to paint, while others like to solve equations... we can't convince one or the other that either is easier or better because in the end they are both happy and it's a pleasure for them to do what they do.

However about the proof you are asking for... I'm not sure about the proof you need, but I can give you a basic example with an article since we are on that topic

In 2004 I published an article in webpronews and at the time I was promoting my reverse auction script, that article brought me a lot of traffic, which converted into sales, and when I realized that it was the article making the difference in my traffic, I took the same article and posted it in many other places. The result was still positive, but not in all places... some websites produce more traffic, while others none at all. This was when I actually started to look deeper into the effects of articles on traffic.

Also when you look at wikipedia, they dominate a lot of search terms in Google, What if you could build an authority website in your niche or industry, with only top quality articles?

So basically for me these are systems that worked and one could duplicate.... and when you do, you'll find out that there are many more things you can do, or need to do to get better results.

For example, posting 100 articles may not give you the result you are looking for, but 100 quality article can. Also where you publish them can make a difference too.

You keep going till you perfect your system each time... so from your $1 sale, when trying to duplicate that system, you may find out that adding a little bonus to your offer could even triple that $1 etc...

Mate...we've got our wires crossed.

Im talking about bum marketing, inserting affiliate links into articles. Lifting your own site in SERPS with sustained content generation is a completely different matter. The data you get from this is where the game is.

Writing articles to try to get clicks on links as a one hit deal is a waste of time compared to what you can get paid for the articles themselves.

Using content on your own site, or which is sending traffic and backlinks to a site you own, thats another matter entirely. I do this all the time. Its pretty difficult to have a site with no content.

I have no doubt, none, that content rich authority sites are a great idea.

What Im doubting is that the bum marketing method will ever pay any serious money.

All the best

Barry

[edman]

Mate I was replying to your post as pasted below here I don't think we got the wires crossed because I understood your point very well

... and also inserting affiliate links into your article can also profitable, I'm just looking for one site to post here with a guy who does it so well, and has done it for years now... I've known his site since 2001 or so just forgot the URL now



Quote:
Originally Posted by edman
Once you figure out how you made $1, then it is easy to duplicate that, and keep going. eventually, she can be sleeping and earning

I take your point...but I've never seen solid evidence that this is true.

If you want to provide some...I'll take back my scepticism.

[esh]

Hi Liz,

Congrats on your first sale! I remember my first sale when 2 years ago, i jumped and screamed and was pumped up in excitement the whole day. The confident it gave me pushed me to try other ideas and after many failures and attempts i found what i wanted to do.

I don't like to just advise you to rinse and repeat. But at the same time, i also seen people like Tim Gormon who is working only few hours a day because he is in military, earn 6 figure income just with article marketing. I'd recommend you to follow his advice. His product named "Article marketing answers" helped me open my eyes to see what article marketing can really do for one.

After ordering the product i emailed and asked him if it was possible to make $500 a month with just articles. His answer was to write an article a day or 30 a month and keep submitting. What i'd like to add here is one powerful informative article beats the lousy written one. If you have 40 powerful articles that really even makes the sleepy person to read it, then you are on the right track to make money with articles Liz.

With that i wish you all the best and all the success in your online business.

Best,
Esh

[edman]

Lovely tip Esh... and good one for anyone to follow

Quality is the only way to stand out, boost your credibility, establish yourself as an authority in your niche, build your loyal fan base and eventually make more money

[Barry Walls]

Originally Posted by edman

... and also inserting affiliate links into your article can also profitable

Edman

"...can be profitable".

If you make $0.01 per article, thats profitable. But as you rightly allude to, and as OP shows, theres definitely no guarantee...and many bum marketers are making incomes which make sweat shop Nike trainer stitchers look like slum dog millionaires.

Look at some of the posts to this thread...

"Your success gives us hope".

Lots of people are running on empty fuel tanks and pockets following this bum marketing strategy. A tiny handful of people are making a living at it.

NOT ONE article writer who sells his work is failing to make what they need...fast. Many are making incomes in hundreds of dollars per day. A significant minority are making 5 figures a month.

The difference is the rate of success....

How many bum marketers would you say are earning $10 or more for EVERY SINGLE ONE of their articles over the productive lifetime of that article?

I'd say it's in low single digits, percentage wise. The odds against it are massive.

ALL the bum marketers who have contacted me are earning less than @1/10th (and some less than 1/100th) of what I make selling the articles I write.

Im not talking about working preferences here. If some people enjoy bum marketing, great. Life is short and you should do what you enjoy.

I'm talking about profit maximisation.

I think, if your goal is to maximise your income, its crazy to go for a strategy which has such a high failure rate while an almost identical strategy has a huge success rate.

Even when you join the tiny percentage of bum marketers who are successsful to a high degree, you aren't compensated for the risk by a massively higher income...because highly successful bum marketers earn only what the majority of smart and efficient article writers earn.

Im sorry I'm so passionate about this...but it makes me want to throw up when I see people struggling when theres so much easy money out there.

Theres an easy way for bum marketers to determine if they should be bum marketing or if they should adjust their strategy.

Take the number of articles you've written, multiply it by 10.

If that is how much money you've made...keep at it.

It not, do a 30 day experiment. Temporarily stop bum marketing for one month. Get hired to write for other people and compare the income results.

Then choose the path which produces the most income, if income maximisation is your goal.

That experiment will settle the question for all who try it.

All the best

Barry

Edit...maybe you should give OP a job? You pay $50 to $150 per article? I think you'd have one highly motivated employee for this price.

To All The Article Marketers...

[Johnny12345]

Originally Posted by bigjock

NOT ONE article writer who sells his work is failing to make what they need...fast. Many are making incomes in hundreds of dollars per day. A significant minority are making 5 figures a month.

Bigjock,

OK. You've convinced me. But I'd still like more detailed info on your method of making $1,000 per day (or something close to it). You dangled the carrot and now I'm sure we're all curious. So how about giving us more details?

Johnny

[JRG]

Gratz. Now just make it better and duplicate is as often as possible! Then we will see you announce your first $20,000 and then $200,000 etc...

[Barry Walls]

Jonny...I'm putting something together now. Its going to take a while.

As for the elance writers making $79K. It's important to understand that sites like elance are like dating agencies.

What proportion of this companies entire income do your think their elance income represents? If it is a team of 15 writers, I'd say they likely have a huge regular client base off elance. Elance is most likely a way to keep their pipeline filled.

I've spend $25k on elance, but my total spend on outsourcers is close to $100k. I have my team now. I don't want them to be paying 9% to elance...so the work doesn't go through that channel any more unless I need someone new.

Lets say the $79k company are active at 5 sites (smart big firms will be) and keep 30% of clients as repeat clients and do 50% of their bookable work through these sites. (The fees ensure they get off fast if they can once the relationship has been established.)

80k on one site, 400K on 5 sites is half the bookable work. 800K is all new bookable work, $1.04m is total work (including repeat) using these pretty standard metrics. What you see on elance is the tip of the iceberg.

Of all paid content published online, what is elances market share? Its a truly fragmented market, the network effect gives elance some compounding competitive advantages, like market depth, but even still, they are only getting a small proportion of the total work being offered.

When someone hires a product launch writer for $10K - $30k, is it done through elance? My money is on NO almost all the time. The same is true for most other work.

Elance is doing $2m a week in bookable work. They originate maybe 5-10 times this amount (by hooking up long term partners...the original project may have been only $200, but the ongoing "off elance" work is likely to be many times higher)....lets say its $15m a week. If they are getting 10% of the market (probably very generous), there is over $150m a week of work changing hands online...on outsourcing sites and privately. Thats almost $8bn a year....and its growing fast.

Freelancing online will be a $100bn a year industry in a 7 years if current growth rates persist.

These are rough figures because its hard to be exact, but they're in the ballpark. Theres a dearth of work out there, growing faster than anything else because of the recession. Employers want contractors, not union labor, more and more today. They can't afford to pay the going rates, or for the unproductive time and the healthcare.

You will never have to leave freelance sites...theres more than enough work going around and its growing at 65%+ a year....240k jobs in 2008, projected to be 400k in 2009 on elance alone.

How much are people earning? Well, most people who spend a lot of time at freelance sites earn OK money....$200 a day plus.

45% are classified as regulars or addict visitors. 52% earn over $60k a year. The regulars and addicts will be top heavy in this high earning category.

elance.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

You dont need a college degree and age is no barrier.

Get a handful of clients like Edman, who pay up to $150 per article and you're home and dry. They do exist.

All the best

Barry

[tommygadget]

Hmmm... This thread really took off in a direction I certainly did not expect by reading the title. I have some comments:

@BigJock: You won't get any $1000 days from elance anytime soon. Having said that, I think you can get to $100 days but you will be working 8 hours/day for it. Writing each and every day can get very tiring so as a long term strategy it does not work for me. Since writing is an integral part of my business, I write the most important parts and outsource the rest.

My specialties are flipping websites and building niche Adsense sites. Adsense income can be a stable, long term income source. It allows you to do other things. Website flipping can be very lucrative if you sell sites that are making money.

@OP: I am glad you made your first money. It proves to you that it can be done. Now go and make more!

TomG.

[Barry Walls]

Originally Posted by tommygadget

I think you can get to $100 days but you will be working 8 hours/day for it. Writing each and every day can get very tiring so as a long term strategy it does not work for me.

I think is is definitely true for the vast majority of writers out there...but as in all businesses, a small minority make a huge amount more than the average.

Writing is no different than any other business. It has a predictable distribution of incomes.

The quantcast.com data immediately refutes your claim of $100 a day being difficult. It shows that 26% of users earn over $100k a year...or about $400 a day, based on a 240 day year.

I do understand why you find $1000/day impossible...especially if you find $100 difficult.

[edman]

bigjock

Please look at this website, and I'd like your comments on it, is this a waste of time?

Gift Ideas: Father's Day Gifts, Wedding Gifts, Gift Baskets, Anniversary Gifts

Also I think if you were to advice Liz, it is not by being sarcastic and suggest that she is better off getting a job from me as an example... that's quite rude

Has it occurred to you that she doesn't want to be a writer and get paid for writing?.. I'm not sure why you are bent on trying to convince that this is the best approach?.. If it's something you like that's fine, but it is not for everyone

Except you have a passion for writing... and I mean a lot of it. Writing every single day for clients on different topics, because your income depends on it, not because it's for your business doesn't sound so appealing I'm sorry.

She may not be doing exactly the right things right now, but I don't think that advising her to become a writer is going to lead her down a better road

The lady came on this forum looking for advice, she took what she could grab and she has been trying something and finally she got something out of it... What we need to give her is encouragement, and also better guidance for her to fulfill her goals.

If she wants to sell affiliate products and make money doing it, then she may be looking for the best way to do it using a combination of articles, blogs, ppc etc... she is looking for a system that works and she may not be interested in having to write articles all day everyday to make a living.

Originally Posted by bigjock

Edman

"...can be profitable".

If you make $0.01 per article, thats profitable. But as you rightly allude to, and as OP shows, theres definitely no guarantee...and many bum marketers are making incomes which make sweat shop Nike trainer stitchers look like slum dog millionaires.

Look at some of the posts to this thread...

"Your success gives us hope".

Lots of people are running on empty fuel tanks and pockets following this bum marketing strategy. A tiny handful of people are making a living at it.

NOT ONE article writer who sells his work is failing to make what they need...fast. Many are making incomes in hundreds of dollars per day. A significant minority are making 5 figures a month.

The difference is the rate of success....

How many bum marketers would you say are earning $10 or more for EVERY SINGLE ONE of their articles over the productive lifetime of that article?

I'd say it's in low single digits, percentage wise. The odds against it are massive.

ALL the bum marketers who have contacted me are earning less than @1/10th (and some less than 1/100th) of what I make selling the articles I write.

Im not talking about working preferences here. If some people enjoy bum marketing, great. Life is short and you should do what you enjoy.

I'm talking about profit maximisation.

I think, if your goal is to maximise your income, its crazy to go for a strategy which has such a high failure rate while an almost identical strategy has a huge success rate.

Even when you join the tiny percentage of bum marketers who are successsful to a high degree, you aren't compensated for the risk by a massively higher income...because highly successful bum marketers earn only what the majority of smart and efficient article writers earn.

Im sorry I'm so passionate about this...but it makes me want to throw up when I see people struggling when theres so much easy money out there.

Theres an easy way for bum marketers to determine if they should be bum marketing or if they should adjust their strategy.

Take the number of articles you've written, multiply it by 10.

If that is how much money you've made...keep at it.

It not, do a 30 day experiment. Temporarily stop bum marketing for one month. Get hired to write for other people and compare the income results.

Then choose the path which produces the most income, if income maximisation is your goal.

That experiment will settle the question for all who try it.

All the best

Barry

Edit...maybe you should give OP a job? You pay $50 to $150 per article? I think you'd have one highly motivated employee for this price.

To All The Article Marketers...

[Stay At Home Mum]

Thanks Edman - received your PM and will get onto downloading your AMI straight away.

Thanks again - much appreciated

Liz

[Barry Walls]

Edman

Im in a bit of a hurry...so I'll be quick.

I am deadly serious. Why is working for $150 an article sarcastic? Showing Liz that people pay $150 per article was probably a HUGE shock for her...sorry you think thats rude.
Thats a lovely site.
Liz is trying to get paid for writing.
I don't make my living from writing...and I don't have a particular passion for it...and I'm not really very good at it...but I have banked $1000 a day doing it.

EDIT...Like I already said a couple of times...Im not coming at this from a working preference point of view...life is short...do what you love. If people are happy to bum market for a fraction of what they can sell articles for, no problem. Go for it. theres more to life than money.

But if they want to maximize income, bum marketing is plainly crazy compared to the alternatives.

All the best

Barry

[edman]

That site is made up of just affiliate products and has articles for the products and they are an authority site in the gift market.

EDIT BASED ON HIS EDITING BELOW: - The above is just an example, and there are many like this one, in different forms of product reviews and recommendations, I just picked this one for you to see and I'm 100% sure you were going to say its not enough... but once again.. expected... selling your articles is better


WOW Barry I'm not sure what to say ... A few posts a go, I could have sworn that you've been advicing people that it is the best course of action, and even in details... now you don't even have a passion for it?

What you are now saying is that Liz should not be a writer, that she should start a business outsourcing articles for people?...

You remind me of someone edit: my ex ... and even God couldn't win with her

If I say A bee stung me and it hurt... you will say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms

If I say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms... you will say bee stings hurt so its not good

ADD: why not advice liz to build an authority site, with a reputation like many dozens of authority websites, so that she can build a brand, instead of selling off her articles for change... and the day she decides to take a break, she looses all her income in a second, because she has to keep writing and writing and writing--- poor advice


I retire folks

[TheRookie]

Nice work I hope you see it grow.

[edman]

Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum

Thanks Edman - received your PM and will get onto downloading your AMI straight away.

Thanks again - much appreciated

Liz

My pleasure Liz,

and do spend some time reading through it...

This thread took a different turn, and we all lost track of what is needed, which is how can we all in this forum support each other do do better.

I'll send you a PM and you can add me on skype to do a bit of brainstorming on how you could actually make this work... I'm not talking about just articles, I mean your goal... and if we need further help or expertise, I know many warriors here will be wiling to join in to share their valuable input in areas they excel.

That's if you want it

[Barry Walls]

Originally Posted by edman

That site is made up of just affiliate products and has articles for the products and they are an authority site in the gift market.

WOW Barry I'm not sure what to say ... A few posts a go, I could have sworn that you've been advicing people that it is the best course of action, and even in details... now you don't even have a passion for it?

What you are now saying is that Liz should not be a writer, that she should start a business outsourcing articles for people?...

You remind me of someone ... and even God couldn't win with that person

If I say A bee stung me and it hurt... you will say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms

If I say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms... you will say bee stings hurt so its not good

I retire folks

I don't think you've read what I've said.

I do advise bum marketers to sell their writing if they want to maximize their income.

I also advise people who want to make money right now to buy gold.

I don't have a passion for gold either....its just a good strategy for some people right now who believe high inflation is coming. Risk/reward/return/security...but it pays no interest, dividends and is a poor investment for long periods frequently.

I'm sure if you read my posts, you'll find out how I make my living and what I'm passionate about.

Gifts.com isn't really comparable to a lot of bum marketers.

A bucket of rotten apples with a good apple sitting onto is still pretty putrid. Cherry picking is easy to do...but it doesn't present a picture of reality...just a picture of a cherry...and its precisely the reason most bum marketers are bums.

All the best

Barry

EDIT...what Im saying for Liz is that bum marketing is a poor strategy if she wants to maximise her income.

So I'm the devil? Classy dude.

[henrychai]

wow... i am happy for you keep it on.. You can do it

[crissanteiro]

I think BigJock has redeemed himself if only thru the amount of good advice he has given.

Star Riley sure said it beautifully for me.

And Liz, I do congratulate you.

[tommygadget]

Originally Posted by masterGlen

Awesome! Good luck for more soon.

There you go, now we're back on topic

TomG.

[nauquetta30]

I am so happy for you. How did you go about writing your article? I ask because I want to learn how to do this myself.

[MeTellYou]

Good for you! Keep it up

[Johnny12345]

Originally Posted by tommygadget

There you go, now we're back on topic

TomG.

Tom,

I don't think the thread went off topic. What were you hoping for -- thirty posts all saying "congrats"? How much value does that add? None.

I don't think Bigjock was trying to be difficult. To the contrary, he was trying to add value and have a discussion. What's wrong with that? I thought his comments were insightful.

Johnny

[Raz]

Congratulation. Now you made $20, maybe next time you will make $2000, just keep up the good work.

[sashagilberg]

congrats on your first sale! I remember when I got my first sale and it was the BEST feeling ever!! Really experience this moment because you're gonna remember it forever

[Nino C]

Congrats to you.... u can now proudly announce that "you made money online" :P

NIceeee

[redrossero]

I would not sell my articles because I make more than $10 per article, 250 words from affiliate marketing. If I would sell it I would not make more than $5. Considering that English is not my first language guess that I would have to take lower rates. So, for me is not worth it. However, it will be worth article flipping, which I suspect you are doing and it is something to look at...

Also the OP is a stay at home mum with a small baby and from my experience is hard to work on deadlines when your baby is screaming that he needs a cuddle or try to touch everything in the house...mums know better

[scattermouse]

Congrats Liz! I made my first sale a fw weeks back, and I still smile about it. More than that, congratulations on your hard work, your determination and your attitude. These are the qualities that are more important than money! I don't know why everyone's hating on bigjock though. You guys might not like the straight talking (though I think that's more a US/UK culture difference) but he's giving lots of advice away for free, and some of it I think is excellent. Just my two cents...

[tamaradaria]

Liz, I know it feels good to
make your first sale...no matter
how long it took.

Unlike many people who give
up, you kept at it and for that
you were rewarded.

For me, I see that you didn't
give up and that's inspiring
when there are people who never
ever make one thin dime online.

The guys here have given us
some great advice on how to
maximize our business either
as affiliates or as writers...

I'm gonna take it and run with it!

How about you?

[Andrea Brown]

I remember my first sale...

It truly is exciting! Now, it's time to repeat what you did and scale it up! Today you made $20, next week make $200, then make $2,000!