I just Made My First $20 from Article Marketing!

by Stay At Home Mum 143 replies
Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

$20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

WOO HOO!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author adamv
    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
    Congratulations on the sale and keep up the good work. It's a lot of fun to log into your affiliate accounts and see money in there :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    Congratulations! Keep doing what WORKS!
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    • Profile picture of the author gtara4
      But it could be a fluke, I got one sale, and then nothing for a long while.
      in any case they pay after one reach 5 sales, good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
        Originally Posted by gtara4 View Post

        But it could be a fluke, I got one sale, and then nothing for a long while.
        in any case they pay after one reach 5 sales, good luck.
        Yes you are so right! I have so far written another 10 articles so we will see what that brings! I''l tell you one thing though, making 1 sale from my articles has really given me the incentive to keep writing - thats how I whipped out another 10 so quick!

        thanks for your comments!
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  • Profile picture of the author keivn2
    Congratulation.

    I am envy for you..Hehe...I still make 0 bucks after a month.

    Keep doing what work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar D
    Well done, it is always a great feeling to login and see some $$$$$

    Keep it up,
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    • Profile picture of the author macabhay
      Congrats! Isn't it a mental shift, like with that first sale you broke down a huge barrier and now you are free to move forward?

      Again, congrats and keep going with what works for you. Leverage your work.
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    That really inspire us. keep it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Courtney Ramirez
    Congrats! That is great news. And good luck to you as that $20 becomes $80 and then it becomes $200 and more!!
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    Good Work Stay At Home MUM, keep it up.
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    Brilliant work well done..hope more keeps coming!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Nice Job and Congrats.

    I still get excited when I make a sale, no matter how small or big it is

    Just wait til you develop some momentum and you start getting commission
    checks in the mail for stuff you don't even remember promoting!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author plugin
      Congratulations!!! Article marketing is very powerful... I can remember my first sale came from an offline promoting my online business... I was as excited as you are now...

      Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
    congradulations hope it works out for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author patJ
    Congrats! The first sale is the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gabe77
    Congratulations! It's feels great to see the money in your account. It means you're on the right track and its' slowly paying off! All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author LastWarrior
    That's how it's done! Now you got your first sale, your confidence is up, now go get 'em!

    Congrat's on your sale!

    LastWarrior
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  • Profile picture of the author JonesersRX7
    Scale and outsource - it's the repeated efforts overtime that have a compounding effect on your profits.

    Congrats!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Sullivan
      Well done on the first sale, now try to get more articles out there and over time you should have a nice recurring income soon. If you can I would try to outsource when you can to speed up the process.

      John
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by JonesersRX7 View Post

      Scale and outsource - it's the repeated efforts overtime that have a compounding effect on your profits.

      Congrats!

      Do you realize there are outsource writers making $1000 a day?

      I have made $1000 in ONE day writing articles.

      7 months....$20?

      ....and it's congrats?

      Seriously?

      The "cumulative" dream is normally that. most articles drop off to a trickle quickly. If you want cumulative, take your $1000 a day, and buy some knock down real estate twice a year.
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      • Profile picture of the author adamv
        Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

        Do you realize there are outsource writers making $1000 a day?

        I have made $1000 in ONE day writing articles.

        7 months....$20?

        ....and it's congrats?

        Seriously?

        The "cumulative" dream is normally that. most articles drop off to a trickle quickly. If you want cumulative, take your $1000 a day, and buy some knock down real estate twice a year.
        Is there something wrong with congratulating someone on there first sale? That's a major accomplishment for a lot of people who have been struggling to figure things out online and it gives them the confidence to keep going.

        JonesersRX7 tries to give Stay At Home Mum a little encouragment and advise and you get on his case for it?

        I don't get it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Reno Valentine
          Congrats. I still haven't made my first sale yet. But I'm working hard at it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
          Originally Posted by adamv View Post

          Is there something wrong with congratulating someone on there first sale? That's a major accomplishment for a lot of people who have been struggling to figure things out online and it gives them the confidence to keep going.

          JonesersRX7 tries to give Stay At Home Mum a little encouragment and advise and you get on his case for it?

          I don't get it.
          Congratulating people for making $20 for 7 months work?

          Even if she worked in a Chinese sweat shop, she'd earn more.

          I have a real issue with working for 7 months for $20. Its inhumane and shouldn't be encouraged. Its nothing short of disgraceful. If she was employed at this rate by a large corporation, it would be front page news all over the world...but on teh warrior forum, congrats? Seriously....WFT?

          This stay at home mom can keep doing what she has been doing, and maybe her next $20 will come twice as fast...from only 4 months work...

          or...

          She can take her (by now, polished) article writing skills and earn a minimum of $100 a day from tomorrow in a few hours at elance.

          In 4 months, working a 5 days week, she would earn $6,000. In reality, she would earn twice this...and probably three time this.

          Now, if this stay at home mom was your mom, which route would you tell her to take?
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          • Profile picture of the author Star Riley
            Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

            Congratulating people for making $20 for 7 months work?

            Even if she worked in a Chinese sweat shop, she'd earn more.

            I have a real issue with working for 7 months for $20. Its inhumane and shouldn't be encouraged. Its nothing short of disgraceful. If she was employed at this rate by a large corporation, it would be front page news all over the world...but on teh warrior forum, congrats? Seriously....WFT?

            This stay at home mom can keep doing what she has been doing, and maybe her next $20 will come twice as fast...from only 4 months work...

            or...

            She can take her (by now, polished) article writing skills and earn a minimum of $100 a day from tomorrow in a few hours at elance.

            In 4 months, working a 5 days week, she would earn $6,000. In reality, she would earn twice this...and probably three time this.

            Now, if this stay at home mom was your mom, which route would you tell her to take?
            I kinda understand what your saying and it makes sense however how one comes across is key. I would congratulate someone for their success no matter how small and if I could add value I would help them achieve more success. Had you done that I'm not sure if people would harp on you in this thread.

            To some You came of as well (insert pun here--) a Bigjock, everyone has to have their own style so I'll give you that , and the education on online economics is dully noted and congratulations on your level of success.

            Now I was taught that everything scales either up or down like this:

            1. Article = $
            2. Report = $$
            3. eBook = $$$
            4. Audio = $$$$
            5. Video = $$$$$

            All those elements alone do not make online success but each thing can stair step into the increased value and actual creation of the higher perceived value product.

            Time says alot to were each person is at in their own life. When I started out online I could barley write a sentance. In fact my spelling still sucks and my grammer is awful.

            But I felt great when months later I was writing articles, that people actually enjoyed. Then my list building took off when I compiled my best articles into reports for squeeze pages, and imagin what a super star I was when I figured out 3 of my reports could make an eBook that people would actually buy!

            Call me giddy with glee when I had a person read my ebook and have an mp3 made, which still was nothing compared to my camtasia conversion and my transformation into a video marketing master.

            According to some people the years it took me to develop in my own cocoon was crazy, my real world friend thought I was an idiot after all that email they got stated make 30,000 in 24 hours with Google.

            Congratulations LIZ your heading in the right direction, never let anyone steal your thunder or compare your journey against anyone. Your only competition in this life is yourself.

            Learn while you earn bear in mind the harvest never comes when you sow it comes when you reap. Why not take bigjock up on his offer and keep us posted on your progress.

            "Be Blessed & Be a Blessing"
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          • Profile picture of the author edman
            I'm sorry, but you're sounding like someone who is looking for a praise about your work ... It's not about you mate and it's not about the $20... Once you figure out how you made $1, then it is easier to duplicate that, and keep going.

            Also the fact that you actually know you could make money is a great source of energy to keep you going. Eventually, she can be sleeping and earning a lot more than $1000 a day consistently, maybe not just from articles but from a combination of different sources.

            She is trying to sell products using articles, you are writing articles and get paid for it... two different things here mate...

            From what I understand above, you have to write about 50 articles a day, every day to get paid that amount, and if you stop writing you don't earn... I'm not sure it's a job you should advice just anyone to go into, except that person is passionate about writing all day.

            The articles I wrote for people in the past were $150/article only, don't think I can do it for $20


            Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

            Congratulating people for making $20 for 7 months work?

            Even if she worked in a Chinese sweat shop, she'd earn more.

            I have a real issue with working for 7 months for $20. Its inhumane and shouldn't be encouraged. Its nothing short of disgraceful. If she was employed at this rate by a large corporation, it would be front page news all over the world...but on teh warrior forum, congrats? Seriously....WFT?

            This stay at home mom can keep doing what she has been doing, and maybe her next $20 will come twice as fast...from only 4 months work...

            or...

            She can take her (by now, polished) article writing skills and earn a minimum of $100 a day from tomorrow in a few hours at elance.

            In 4 months, working a 5 days week, she would earn $6,000. In reality, she would earn twice this...and probably three time this.

            Now, if this stay at home mom was your mom, which route would you tell her to take?
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            • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
              Originally Posted by edman View Post

              Once you figure out how you made $1, then it is easy to duplicate that, and keep going. eventually, she can be sleeping and earning
              I take your point...but I've never seen solid evidence that this is true.

              If you want to provide some...I'll take back my scepticism.
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              • Profile picture of the author edman
                Hello Bigjock,

                Thanks for the reply

                I think it's not about you taking back your skepticism, because I am not trying to convince you to actually follow another path because you are wrong... in your way you are right.

                One point I was also making is that everyone is different... some like to paint, while others like to solve equations... we can't convince one or the other that either is easier or better because in the end they are both happy and it's a pleasure for them to do what they do.

                However about the proof you are asking for... I'm not sure about the proof you need, but I can give you a basic example with an article since we are on that topic

                In 2004 I published an article in webpronews and at the time I was promoting my reverse auction script, that article brought me a lot of traffic, which converted into sales, and when I realized that it was the article making the difference in my traffic, I took the same article and posted it in many other places. The result was still positive, but not in all places... some websites produce more traffic, while others none at all. This was when I actually started to look deeper into the effects of articles on traffic.

                Also when you look at wikipedia, they dominate a lot of search terms in Google, What if you could build an authority website in your niche or industry, with only top quality articles?

                So basically for me these are systems that worked and one could duplicate.... and when you do, you'll find out that there are many more things you can do, or need to do to get better results.

                For example, posting 100 articles may not give you the result you are looking for, but 100 quality article can. Also where you publish them can make a difference too.

                You keep going till you perfect your system each time... so from your $1 sale, when trying to duplicate that system, you may find out that adding a little bonus to your offer could even triple that $1 etc...





                Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

                I take your point...but I've never seen solid evidence that this is true.

                If you want to provide some...I'll take back my scepticism.
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                • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
                  Originally Posted by edman View Post

                  Hello Bigjock,

                  Thanks for the reply

                  I think it's not about you taking back your skepticism, because I am not trying to convince you to actually follow another path because you are wrong... in your way you are right.

                  One point I was also making is that everyone is different... some like to paint, while others like to solve equations... we can't convince one or the other that either is easier or better because in the end they are both happy and it's a pleasure for them to do what they do.

                  However about the proof you are asking for... I'm not sure about the proof you need, but I can give you a basic example with an article since we are on that topic

                  In 2004 I published an article in webpronews and at the time I was promoting my reverse auction script, that article brought me a lot of traffic, which converted into sales, and when I realized that it was the article making the difference in my traffic, I took the same article and posted it in many other places. The result was still positive, but not in all places... some websites produce more traffic, while others none at all. This was when I actually started to look deeper into the effects of articles on traffic.

                  Also when you look at wikipedia, they dominate a lot of search terms in Google, What if you could build an authority website in your niche or industry, with only top quality articles?

                  So basically for me these are systems that worked and one could duplicate.... and when you do, you'll find out that there are many more things you can do, or need to do to get better results.

                  For example, posting 100 articles may not give you the result you are looking for, but 100 quality article can. Also where you publish them can make a difference too.

                  You keep going till you perfect your system each time... so from your $1 sale, when trying to duplicate that system, you may find out that adding a little bonus to your offer could even triple that $1 etc...
                  Mate...we've got our wires crossed.

                  Im talking about bum marketing, inserting affiliate links into articles. Lifting your own site in SERPS with sustained content generation is a completely different matter. The data you get from this is where the game is.

                  Writing articles to try to get clicks on links as a one hit deal is a waste of time compared to what you can get paid for the articles themselves.

                  Using content on your own site, or which is sending traffic and backlinks to a site you own, thats another matter entirely. I do this all the time. Its pretty difficult to have a site with no content.

                  I have no doubt, none, that content rich authority sites are a great idea.

                  What Im doubting is that the bum marketing method will ever pay any serious money.

                  All the best

                  Barry
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

        7 months....$20?

        ....and it's congrats?

        Seriously?
        Damn right it's congrats.

        It seriously IS a big deal when someone makes their first sale, no matter how long it takes.

        Some people "try" this for years and still don't make a dime. Some may even
        be reading this thread and many are definitely members of this forum.

        It wasn't until my 9th month online that I made my first sale.

        Boy was I excited.

        But if what you're implying is that this isn't a big deal, then IMHO I have to disagree with you.

        Once again, GREAT JOB and CONGRATS on the first sale.

        Regards,
        Jason
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
          Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

          Damn right it's congrats.
          Some people "try" this for years and still don't make a dime. Some may even
          be reading this thread and many are definitely members of this forum.

          I think thats my point.
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          • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
            Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

            I think thats my point.
            I don't think that was your point.

            You came across as sarcastic and kinda mocked her, then went on to
            brag about how you've made as much as $1000 writing articles. (which is great by the way)

            Too late to back track, but do as you will.
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            • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
              Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

              I don't think that was your point.

              You came across as sarcastic and kinda mocked her, then went on to
              brag about how you've made as much as $1000 writing articles. (which is great by the way)

              Too late to back track, but do as you will.
              What? Backtrack? Are we speaking the same language?

              I didn't mock Liz.

              I mocked the ridiculous applause for a pay rate that would be laughed at in sub Saharan Africa...which is even more ridiculous since she ALREADY has the skills to make a life changing income in DAYS without drinking the cool aid that you can make a fortune sticking affiliate links in articles.

              How to make $1000 a day writing articles? Simple....get paid $20 an article and write 50 of them in one day....or derivations thereof.

              There are only 2 variables in this equation.

              1. Getting enough work at this rate (strategies)
              2. Doing the work fast enough (tactics)

              All the best

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  • Profile picture of the author SocialWiz
    7 months wow, Congrats, now you see what works, rinse and repeat then eventually outsource your work and watch the profit rise .
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    CONGRATS!!! good job mate now upscale lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
    Thankyou everyone for your kind words! I really appreciate them - every bit of encouragement helps.

    It really motivates you when you have put something in place and it finally pays off - I love writing and from all the advice in this forum (which I only joined about a month ago) it has really helped me fine tune my articles that I write - so I will definately be continuing this until I do make $1000 a day and more (FYI BigJock) :-)

    Thanks to all who have commented on my first thread :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

      Thankyou everyone for your kind words! I really appreciate them - every bit of encouragement helps.

      It really motivates you when you have put something in place and it finally pays off - I love writing and from all the advice in this forum (which I only joined about a month ago) it has really helped me fine tune my articles that I write - so I will definately be continuing this until I do make $1000 a day and more (FYI BigJock) :-)

      Thanks to all who have commented on my first thread :-)
      Liz...I don't want what's bad for you. If you have that impression, you have it wrong.

      If you want to write, you love doing it and want to make $1,000 a day, PM me and I'll coach you to get there inside 8 weeks. No charge...guaranteed success.

      All the best

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      • Profile picture of the author Reno Valentine
        Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

        Liz...I don't want what's bad for you. If you have that impression, you have it wrong.

        If you want to write, you love doing it and want to make $1,000 a day, PM me and I'll coach you to get there inside 8 weeks. No charge...guaranteed success.

        All the best

        Barry
        Any chance you could extend that offer for a starving writer?
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        • Profile picture of the author adamv
          Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

          Congratulating people for making $20 for 7 months work?

          Even if she worked in a Chinese sweat shop, she'd earn more.

          I have a real issue with working for 7 months for $20. Its inhumane and shouldn't be encouraged. Its nothing short of disgraceful. If she was employed at this rate by a large corporation, it would be front page news all over the world...but on teh warrior forum, congrats? Seriously....WFT?

          This stay at home mom can keep doing what she has been doing, and maybe her next $20 will come twice as fast...from only 4 months work...

          or...

          She can take her (by now, polished) article writing skills and earn a minimum of $100 a day from tomorrow in a few hours at elance.

          In 4 months, working a 5 days week, she would earn $6,000. In reality, she would earn twice this...and probably three time this.

          Now, if this stay at home mom was your mom, which route would you tell her to take?
          The 7 months that she spent was not just working for nothing. There is a big learning curve to making money on the internet. Some people are fortunate enough to find and act on good information quickly. Others have to do a lot of trial and error to find the right way to do things. That's why we congratulate her. Something she did finally paid off, so again congratulations.

          I'm not suggesting a "rinse and repeat" comment is the best advice but hopefully she is learning what works and she can repeat that.

          If you do have some advice you'd like to share that can have people making $1,000 a day by the end of the week, I'm sure everyone would like to hear it. It just sounded like you were giving people a hard time for congratulating someone on reaching a milestone.

          I'd be willing to bet that it won't take her 7 months to earn her next $20.
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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
            Originally Posted by adamv View Post

            The 7 months that she spent was not just working for nothing. There is a big learning curve to making money on the internet. Some people are fortunate enough to find and act on good information quickly. Others have to do a lot of trial and error to find the right way to do things. That's why we congratulate her. Something she did finally paid off, so again congratulations.

            I'm not suggesting a "rinse and repeat" comment is the best advice but hopefully she is learning what works and she can repeat that.

            If you do have some advice you'd like to share that can have people making $1,000 a day by the end of the week, I'm sure everyone would like to hear it. It just sounded like you were giving people a hard time for congratulating someone on reaching a milestone.

            I'd be willing to bet that it won't take her 7 months to earn her next $20.
            I understand your point about the learning curve, and its well made.

            I would also bet (a lot) it won't take 7 months to earn the next $20...but this idea that it is a logaritmic progression in earnings is just nonsense. Its barely more than linear....the compounding rate is tiny. On average, the articles Liz has written over the last 7 months wont produce another $20 in the next 7 months, but will likely produce a few dollars....on average.

            The "I got a sale from an article I wrote 10 years ago" is mentioned because its rarity makes it noteworthy.

            I can't help anyone to make $1,000 in a week...It takes longer.

            I can get anyone to $1000 a week within 2 weeks though....and it grows from there.

            It isnt a simple matter to do it or explain it...but the two key elements are getting enough quality work and doing the work fast enough.

            1. If you win 10% of the jobs you apply for, you need to apply for 10 times more work that you need to fill your diary over a typical 2 week period buying cycle for most article marketers who scale their "businesses". Expect the start of this cycle to be soft and sluggish as buyers gradually award jobs.
            2. Dont compete on price...you cant win. Compete on value and high ball it. It's easier...and many webmasters aren't nearly as price sensitive as you think. Also, many webmasters see the intrinsic value of an $20 article as disproportionately greater than they do a $5 article.
            3. Don't focus on your own time to determine your earnings, focus on your value you provide.
            4. Ration your time through price as your pipeline fills. Continually increase your rates and weed out the bottom buyers as your marketing pushes newer, better buyers into your funnell.
            5. Realise that you will become an expert in a niche after a few weeks of writing articles.
            6. Be a specialist in a few niches, not a generalist, and cast your net wide to catch enough fish. I write poker articles for $30 a pop when Im not playing poker. I do one in ten minutes. I write business news articles for $25 a pop and do one in 6 minutes. Specialists always get paid more.
            7. Under promise and over deliver. Ration your time and book work in one week in advance. This creates the impression of scarcity and high value. If you can complete the job in 3 days, tell your buyer you will complete in 7 and deliver in 4. Repeat business follows.
            8. Analyse the systems and processes involved in writing. Highlight the high and low value adding activities and adjust.
            9. Identify your rate of expected value and make all business decisions in this framework. Don't do work that has a negative expected value. Find a way to get it off your hands
            10. Be professional. Do what you say you will do. If you're late, speak up early.
            11. Know your numbers backwards...like in any business.
            12. Build your feedback through outstanding service provision and ease of contact.
            Hope this helps.

            All the best

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            • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
              Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

              I can get anyone to $1000 a week within 2 weeks though....and it grows from there.

              It isnt a simple matter to do it or explain it...but the two key elements are getting enough quality work and doing the work fast enough.

              Bigjock,

              Good info. Thanks. But you left out a couple of important things...

              1) How do you write a quality article in "6 minutes"?

              2) How do you keep from writing, in effect, the same articles over and over again? For example, how many DIFFERENT articles can anyone really write about poker or any other topic?

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              • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
                Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

                Bigjock,

                Good info. Thanks. But you left out a couple of important things...

                1) How do you write a quality article in "6 minutes"?

                2) How do you keep from writing, in effect, the same articles over and over again? For example, how many DIFFERENT articles can anyone really write about poker or any other topic?

                Johnny
                Hi Johnny

                Ok....Im going to apologise for coming across as abrupt...but it was really exasperation and incredulity. Ofcourse, its great to get your first sale, and Liz deserves top marks for persistence and positivity. Both are admirable qualities.

                To answer your question Jonny...

                1. Do it in 6 minutes by knowing your topic backwards or having a lot to say on the topic. Once you've written on the same subject for a week...your research time will shrink and shrink. When you have ZERO research to do, you can write off the top of your head in the flow state. Then, it's simple. Also, there are multiple leverage points in article writing.

                2. Poker is a bad example for what you are getting at. Poker is an incredibly complex game that looks easy...(which is why it's so profitable).
                I could write 3000 articles on it. Its one of my favourite topics.

                I would also say something about a word you put in which i didnt use...quality.

                You wont be writing for the Financial Times or the Wall Street journal.

                At $10 or $12 per article, (the bare minimum you should write a 500 word article for) sensible buyers know they aren't going to get a journalistic quality of writing. Have a few facts, have a good structure and you're half way home.

                Id like to address a point to Adam. I knwo what yo mean. Passive income is kick ass...but consider this...

                If someone earns $1000 a day for 300 days a year for 2 years and saves 80% of what they earn with a view to investing sensibly for a passive income of 10% (real estate is already producing this yeild and it will get better in many places), they have a lifetime, inflation protected gross income of $4000 per month...with equity to leverage when the bottom comes in a few years.

                24 months of really hard work is all it takes.

                All the best

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                • Profile picture of the author adamv
                  Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

                  Id like to address a point to Adam. I knwo what yo mean. Passive income is kick ass...but consider this...

                  If someone earns $1000 a day for 300 days a year for 2 years and saves 80% of what they earn with a view to investing sensibly for a passive income of 10% (real estate is already producing this yeild and it will get better in many places), they have a lifetime, inflation protected gross income of $4000 per month...with equity to leverage when the bottom comes in a few years.

                  24 months of really hard work is all it takes.

                  All the best

                  Barry
                  I agree with you 100% that being able to make $1000 per day gives you a lot of options finacially and you could definitely invest that and set yourself up pretty well.

                  However, for me to make $1000 per day ghost writing, I would need to charge $75 to $100 per article. I can't write 40 $25 articles every day. And at $100 per article I'm not sure I could even write 10 because I'd want to make them absolutely incredible at that price.

                  I think both methods work (writing for others for higher dollar amounts and writing for yourself to sell products and services). Both methods work and it's up to everyone to choose the path they wish to take.

                  The tips you laid out in an earlier post on this thread about how you go about writing were very helpful so thanks for that. It just seemed like you were saying that you can't make any real money by writing articles to sell affiliate products and services and that couldn't be further from the truth. If I'm mistaken, then I apologize but that's how it sounded and a lot of people make great income doing nothing but selling affiliate products.

                  All of my income comes from the articles I've written and I'm working on SEO for my websites so I can increase my income but I'm pretty happy with what my articles have done for me.

                  If you just write articles, submit to EZA, and then move on to the next article then you're right, that's not going to bring in long term traffic and residual income very often but if you spend a little time building some backlinks to your articles and getting them to rank in the search engines your articles can bring a lot of traffic for a long time.

                  I agree with your views on how your strategy works I just don't agree with your views on how the article marketing strategy doesn't.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
                    I'm not saying it doesn't work at all...it clearly does...to a degree. That degree is a fraction of the alternative for doing the exact same work. Infact, article marketing is harder than writing...because you also have to market after you've written. Twice as long for 1/4 the money.

                    I dont know if those are your metrics, but whatever your metrics are, if you're happy with it, do it. Theres more to life than money.

                    Also, not all people are writing articles to to sell affiliate products. Infact...I cant think of one person who hired me who does.

                    Some want to become an authority site. One guy I worked for recently spends over $20k a month on articles. He has no interest in making money. Hes a political activist with a big trust fund who hates the "new world order" thats coming in.

                    If you are making substantial, long term residual income from your articles, I think a ton of people where would love to hear how you do it...including me...because you are an exception to the rule....you're totally wrecking the curve.

                    It doesnt surprise me that you dont think you could earn so much money in one day. You're thinking through this mindset....you're mapping out in your mind the process you need to go through as you currently do it...are you thinking you have to do this?

                    1. Win the article writing work
                    2. Research the article
                    3. Write the article
                    4. Edit the article
                    5. Send the article off

                    You can't earn $1000 a day doing this. You'd struggle to earn $200 a day doing this. I can't think of a way you would earn less money as an article writer.

                    Im not going to go into any more detail about this here...but there is incredible amount of leverage potential at each step there.

                    All the best

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    CONGRATS!!! good job mate now upscale lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Cheryl Hines
    That is soooo cool. I remember the first time I made a cash sale - I JUMPED out of my chair and screamed. My kids thought a spider dropped in front of me - especially since I started crying.

    Keep it up!
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  • Profile picture of the author writeonbro
    Go Mum! Go Mum! Go Mum.... rats I just checked my CJ and still Nada.
    Hey Jock... could I get a peak at those tips to jump start my affiliate sales too? How about it! Can you help a bro out, man?
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  • Profile picture of the author toddilee
    Awesome!!! Congratulations, keep up the good work!

    Now you have made your first sale more will be just around the corner
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    Congratulation Liz. Everything gets easier from here. Taking the first step is always the hardest. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author NetOpps2
    I think there is a cultural divide thing going on here.

    A lot of Americans simply don't quite get the healthy cynicism towards life that many Irish and British people hold; this type of sh** or get off the pot approach is typically not malicious and is very often delivered with tongue placed firmly in cheek, but it just goes completely and utterly over the head of some of our US cousins; let`s be honest, some WFM, in their uber-positivity, can take themselves a little too seriously.

    Barry`s comments and analysis were basically correct and he has offered Stay At Home lass some very generous free help to make up for his perceived abruptness; she has made a net gain here, so no harm has been done. Use the offer to your advantage. Go girl!

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeGriffith
    Congrats, and keep up the good works. Never give up and remember persistence pays big dividends.
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  • Profile picture of the author FredJones
    Liz, congrats. Keep the great work up.

    Barry, good advice, but I am sure you realize you are comparing apples and oranges barring the one common factor - pay rate.

    Liz is trying to sell products and her only way to market her product is articles, from what I made out. On the other hand, you do not seem to sell products at all, you write articles for others (and whether they sell products or use the articles for distribution is their headache).

    These two just do not compare, if I understood both of you correctly. Period.

    And if you comparing pay rates, I am sure a lot of CEOs and professionals make a huge money every day every hour. And lot of IM guys too make a few millions every year (1 million a year translates to almost $3000 per day). Again, you can not compare every apple with every orange and every banana.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by FredJones View Post

      Liz, congrats. Keep the great work up.

      Barry, good advice, but I am sure you realize you are comparing apples and oranges barring the one common factor - pay rate.

      Liz is trying to sell products and her only way to market her product is articles, from what I made out. On the other hand, you do not seem to sell products at all, you write articles for others (and whether they sell products or use the articles for distribution is their headache).

      These two just do not compare, if I understood both of you correctly. Period.

      And if you comparing pay rates, I am sure a lot of CEOs and professionals make a huge money every day every hour. And lot of IM guys too make a few millions every year (1 million a year translates to almost $3000 per day). Again, you can not compare every apple with every orange and every banana.
      I dont think the IM millionaires are bum marketers though. Thats my point.

      You can make money in online marketing, no doubt about it. I dont think Liz has her own product...shes an affiliate...clickbank maybe?

      Im an affiliate, I have several good sized lists, I have my own products, I sell others info products and mainly physical products and I make a great living from IM and a fantastic living from poker. I've taught people to make money writing articles for webmasters...people who had lost jobs.

      I think I know the exact number of IM'ers who make 6 figures as bum marketers. Zero. I'd be delighted if anyone proved me wrong, but Im pretty confident that not one loing term sustainable 6 figure bum marketer will step forward. There aren't any IMO. The bum marketing gurus are making the money from their little $7 reports.

      I'd guess the vast majority of them don't make 5 figures and give up after a couple of years (lousy quitters...the bum marketing gurus would say....it takes a good solid 5 years of effort, they'd cry).

      Its a crazy strategy for making money online, especially when it can so quickly be replaced with a few changes with a strategy that can make 5 figures a month.

      Why is Liz selling products? Is it that she likes selling products? Would she sell products with Zero possibility of a monetary reward? Of course not. She wants the money...but she's also seduced by the fantasy that the money will continue to roll in on autopilot past a certain point. It's complete nonsense.

      If I want to get from New York to LA....I can walk...but I can also fly. It's faster and I'll expend much less energy and need less sustenance along the way.

      They are different ways to get to the destination, the modes of transport are apples and oranges, granted, but the destination is the goal, not the mode of transport.

      Thats the difference we're talking about here.

      The "opportunity cost" for Liz and people like her is a thousand dollars a day inside a few months...and they give that up for what...?

      $20 in 7 months.

      I cant sit here and read this and not speak up...it's wrong and I'd be ashamed of myself to say nothing.

      Now, Liz might go on to have a glittering career in IM...and I hope she will. But she is never going to be able to pay for images, copywriting, info products she'll need, tools, programs and everything else while shes doing what she is now.

      Im sorry...but thats a fact. You need thousands of dollars to kit yourself out properly for a career in IM.

      She could however earn at a good rate and invest in her first website or product. That might make a difference and bring in autopilot income...which is the real goal here.

      All the best

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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

        I dont think the IM millionaires are bum marketers though. Thats my point.

        You can make money in online marketing, no doubt about it. I dont think Liz has her own product...shes an affiliate...clickbank maybe?

        Im an affiliate, I have several good sized lists, I have my own products, I sell others info products and mainly physical products and I make a great living from IM and a fantastic living from poker. I've taught people to make money writing articles for webmasters...people who had lost jobs.

        I think I know the exact number of IM'ers who make 6 figures as bum marketers. Zero. I'd be delighted if anyone proved me wrong, but Im pretty confident that not one loing term sustainable 6 figure bum marketer will step forward. There aren't any IMO. The bum marketing gurus are making the money from their little $7 reports.

        I'd guess the vast majority of them don't make 5 figures and give up after a couple of years (lousy quitters...the bum marketing gurus would say....it takes a good solid 5 years of effort, they'd cry).

        Its a crazy strategy for making money online, especially when it can so quickly be replaced with a few changes with a strategy that can make 5 figures a month.

        Why is Liz selling products? Is it that she likes selling products? Would she sell products with Zero possibility of a monetary reward? Of course not. She wants the money...but she's also seduced by the fantasy that the money will continue to roll in on autopilot past a certain point. It's complete nonsense.

        If I want to get from New York to LA....I can walk...but I can also fly. It's faster and I'll expend much less energy and need less sustenance along the way.

        They are different ways to get to the destination, the modes of transport are apples and oranges, granted, but the destination is the goal, not the mode of transport.

        Thats the difference we're talking about here.

        The "opportunity cost" for Liz and people like her is a thousand dollars a day inside a few months...and they give that up for what...?

        $20 in 7 months.

        I cant sit here and read this and not speak up...it's wrong and I'd be ashamed of myself to say nothing.

        Now, Liz might go on to have a glittering career in IM...and I hope she will. But she is never going to be able to pay for images, copywriting, info products she'll need, tools, programs and everything else while shes doing what she is now.

        Im sorry...but thats a fact. You need thousands of dollars to kit yourself out properly for a career in IM.

        She could however earn at a good rate and invest in her first website or product. That might make a difference and bring in autopilot income...which is the real goal here.

        All the best

        Barry
        Excellent post. On this, I totally agree with you, yes, even on the Bum Marketing thingy as on today.

        Liz, however, is trying her way and has met with a new success. She is going to pick up the different ways on her route if she sticks on and applies common sense, no doubt about that. But one has to begin somewhere, and it is great to see her begin!
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      • Profile picture of the author Gunter Eibl
        Originally Posted by Barry Walls View Post

        I dont think the IM millionaires are bum marketers though. Thats my point.
        Barry
        Good point but article marketing is one of the best and easiest ways to get your feet wet. Somewhere you have to start and starting with creating a product is not really an option because it requires a lot of experience. Article marketing is a good way to test stuff out and to see what works.

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  • Profile picture of the author smcdunbiz
    Congratulations! I am going to start getting into article marketing more as well. I've made $20 so far as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoodBoy
    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
    Congratulation, I'm happy for you.

    Been nearly a year with CB but still don't make $$$
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  • Profile picture of the author jon2009
    W H Liz to you too

    It's inspiring for the rst of us to get posts like yours.




    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Demond Jackson
    I know how good I felt getting that first check. Keep it up. Good luck.:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
    :-) Thanks again averyone for your words of encouragement.

    BigJock while I understand your logic you do come across somewhat arrogant and negative - you may not mean to be but that is how you have come across.

    Let me say a little about me - I have been raising my little boy as well as learning alot about IM over the last 7 months. My knowledge prior to these seven months in relation to the internet consisted of me simply checking my emails every other day. I had no understanding whatsoever about anything else to do with the internet. In the 7 months I have been IM I have been scammed (out of several hundred dollars), have learnt all about domain names, hosting, how to set up my website (which I am proud to say I have 6 at the moment and still being worked on), how to utilise blogs, how to article market (thanks to good advice from fellow warriors). and loads more.

    So while you may feel $20 is nothing - let me tell you that it means a great deal to me because it demonstrates to me just how far I have come in such a short time - I am very proud of myself for where I am at the moment. For someone who chose a different product on Thursday to promote, put a landing page together and then took half an hour to write a good article and then less than 24 hours later make a sale - I still say WOO HOO!!

    For people like me who are still relatively new to IM I wish you goodness - and it doesn't matter when your sale arrives (and it will!) you have every right to be pleased and happy about it.

    Once again THANKS warriors - its guys like you that keep people like me motivated to keep going :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Bigjock,

      I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying but not all of it. It sounds like you're saying writing articles for others is vastly superior than posting the articles yourself and selling affiliate products with them. If it were true that you couldn't make decent money by using your articles to sell affiliate products the people who write for others would not have many customers.

      I'm not making 6 figures yet but I have four websites that get more than 90% of there traffic from articles I wrote back in February and March. Will the residual income last a lifetime? maybe not but I recently had to take 3 weeks off and not do any work on the computer and I still made the same daily income. If I were writing for clients and suddenly had to stop, the income would suddenly stop as well.

      If you can make $1000 per day writing for others I think that's fantastic but article marketing works too. I have not hit my ultimate income goal yet but the money keeps coming every day whether I work or not so I think I'll keep doing it.

      If someone wants to sell their articles to others for a one off fee, that's fine but I can make a lot more money with my articles by keeping them for myself and using them to sell affiliate products and services and using them for backlinks and SEO purposes.

      There's more than one way to make a dollar online and I'm always a little irritated by the posts that say this way works and this way sucks. Article marketing works very well for a lot of people and I am going to continue doing it.

      As far as congratulating someone for making there first sale, that's a lot different than congratulating someone for making $20 for 7 months of work. That's not what I was doing with my post. I was congratulating her for reaching a milestone that a lot of people will never reach and that's the first sale.

      Of course no one in their right mind would think that $20 for 7 months of work is a great accomplishment but making that first sale IS a great accomplishment. That 7 months was a learning experience. When a doctor gets out of medical school and gets their first paycheck it might be for $1000 which, after 8 years of medical school and many thousands of dollars spent on education is terrible. But the income doesn't stop there. They keep working and making more money which is exactly what Stay at home mum is going to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
      Awesome,

      I made my first in affiliate marketing a while back now made my first in CPA marketing! It feels awesome!! Congrats !!
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    congratulations! that's the way to go!! and keep doing what is working for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davion Wong
    Congrats! The smell of the first sale is always the most refreshing and encouraging! Continue to build up the momentum and I am confident that you will see more sales pouring in!

    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author ASM Marketing
    Congratulations Liz, you've broken the barrier and now that you know you can make money, it will become a lot easier from here - your work will feel more valuable. Well done on expanding your online real estate too

    As my mother used to say to me, "you get out what you put in"

    Great points by Big Jock too. Even though the presentation of points appeared abrubt, he makes some excellent points that I think most of us have noted, particularly about too many marketers getting caught in fantasy land.

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  • Profile picture of the author millionwq
    Great Job and congratulations Stay home mum!

    I've been on my site for a month still waiting for my first sale though! =D
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  • Profile picture of the author Eliza. N
    Hello,

    Well done!!

    When you see the bar on your clickbank account extend for the first time, there is no feeling like it, especially when you have spent months learning how to do just that.

    I wrote 34 articles when I first started article marketing and the sales began to trickle in. For about 3 day's work I made approx $150 in the first 2 months from these articles and counting, so that isn't too shabby. Stay at homes's article may make more money in the future so, in effect, it will be the end amount for say 30 minutes work or however long it took her to write it. The rest of the time spent can be racked up to learning for future income.

    I too write articles for others over at Elance as well as for myself and think both are excellent strategies to make money.

    Keep doing what you are doing and learn more about strategies in IM to further your business.

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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Great going! I remember my first sale. It's like..."wow! this really does work!" The first sale is by far the most important. Hope you have many more.

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  • Profile picture of the author mr.schutz
    Congatulations to you stay @ home mum! Wishing you more and more soon! Keep up the good job...
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  • Profile picture of the author edman
    Congratulations.. it's the best motivation in the world when you actually cross that boundry of no sale to sale...

    I think no matter how much I convinced myself that I could really make money from my article, I never really thought it was possible until it actually happened , and each time I find that I can make some more, and more

    Great Job, and now I'm sure you'll work differently so that you can make another 20, and another and another..because you know you can

    send me a PM and I'll send you my AMI Article writer and all it's goodies as seen in the WSO.... This is cause for celebration
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    • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
      Originally Posted by edman View Post

      Congratulations.. it's the best motivation in the world when you actually cross that boundry of no sale to sale...

      I think no matter how much I convinced myself that I could really make money from my article, I never really thought it was possible until it actually happened , and each time I find that I can make some more, and more

      Great Job, and now I'm sure you'll work differently so that you can make another 20, and another and another..because you know you can

      send me a PM and I'll send you my AMI Article writer and all it's goodies as seen in the WSO.... This is cause for celebration
      Hi Edman

      Thankyou for your comments and your offer - would love the opportunity to use your AMI tool. I am unable to PM you because I am still a newbie and haven't made enough posts. So I am not sure how else I would be able to get in touchwith you.... but thankyou!
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      • Profile picture of the author edman
        Hello,

        No problem, I will PM you tomorrow when I get to my other system so I can get you the key.

        Have a great day

        Edward


        Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

        Hi Edman

        Thankyou for your comments and your offer - would love the opportunity to use your AMI tool. I am unable to PM you because I am still a newbie and haven't made enough posts. So I am not sure how else I would be able to get in touchwith you.... but thankyou!
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    Way to go, it will get better from here..
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  • Profile picture of the author edman
    Mate I was replying to your post as pasted below here I don't think we got the wires crossed because I understood your point very well

    ... and also inserting affiliate links into your article can also profitable, I'm just looking for one site to post here with a guy who does it so well, and has done it for years now... I've known his site since 2001 or so just forgot the URL now



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    Once you figure out how you made $1, then it is easy to duplicate that, and keep going. eventually, she can be sleeping and earning

    I take your point...but I've never seen solid evidence that this is true.

    If you want to provide some...I'll take back my scepticism.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by edman View Post


      ... and also inserting affiliate links into your article can also profitable

      Edman

      "...can be profitable".

      If you make $0.01 per article, thats profitable. But as you rightly allude to, and as OP shows, theres definitely no guarantee...and many bum marketers are making incomes which make sweat shop Nike trainer stitchers look like slum dog millionaires.

      Look at some of the posts to this thread...

      "Your success gives us hope".

      Lots of people are running on empty fuel tanks and pockets following this bum marketing strategy. A tiny handful of people are making a living at it.

      NOT ONE article writer who sells his work is failing to make what they need...fast. Many are making incomes in hundreds of dollars per day. A significant minority are making 5 figures a month.

      The difference is the rate of success....

      How many bum marketers would you say are earning $10 or more for EVERY SINGLE ONE of their articles over the productive lifetime of that article?

      I'd say it's in low single digits, percentage wise. The odds against it are massive.

      ALL the bum marketers who have contacted me are earning less than @1/10th (and some less than 1/100th) of what I make selling the articles I write.

      Im not talking about working preferences here. If some people enjoy bum marketing, great. Life is short and you should do what you enjoy.

      I'm talking about profit maximisation.

      I think, if your goal is to maximise your income, its crazy to go for a strategy which has such a high failure rate while an almost identical strategy has a huge success rate.

      Even when you join the tiny percentage of bum marketers who are successsful to a high degree, you aren't compensated for the risk by a massively higher income...because highly successful bum marketers earn only what the majority of smart and efficient article writers earn.

      Im sorry I'm so passionate about this...but it makes me want to throw up when I see people struggling when theres so much easy money out there.

      Theres an easy way for bum marketers to determine if they should be bum marketing or if they should adjust their strategy.

      Take the number of articles you've written, multiply it by 10.

      If that is how much money you've made...keep at it.

      It not, do a 30 day experiment. Temporarily stop bum marketing for one month. Get hired to write for other people and compare the income results.

      Then choose the path which produces the most income, if income maximisation is your goal.

      That experiment will settle the question for all who try it.

      All the best

      Barry

      Edit...maybe you should give OP a job? You pay $50 to $150 per article? I think you'd have one highly motivated employee for this price.

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      • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
        Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

        NOT ONE article writer who sells his work is failing to make what they need...fast. Many are making incomes in hundreds of dollars per day. A significant minority are making 5 figures a month.
        Bigjock,

        OK. You've convinced me. But I'd still like more detailed info on your method of making $1,000 per day (or something close to it). You dangled the carrot and now I'm sure we're all curious. So how about giving us more details?

        Johnny
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
          Jonny...I'm putting something together now. Its going to take a while.

          As for the elance writers making $79K. It's important to understand that sites like elance are like dating agencies.

          What proportion of this companies entire income do your think their elance income represents? If it is a team of 15 writers, I'd say they likely have a huge regular client base off elance. Elance is most likely a way to keep their pipeline filled.

          I've spend $25k on elance, but my total spend on outsourcers is close to $100k. I have my team now. I don't want them to be paying 9% to elance...so the work doesn't go through that channel any more unless I need someone new.

          Lets say the $79k company are active at 5 sites (smart big firms will be) and keep 30% of clients as repeat clients and do 50% of their bookable work through these sites. (The fees ensure they get off fast if they can once the relationship has been established.)

          80k on one site, 400K on 5 sites is half the bookable work. 800K is all new bookable work, $1.04m is total work (including repeat) using these pretty standard metrics. What you see on elance is the tip of the iceberg.

          Of all paid content published online, what is elances market share? Its a truly fragmented market, the network effect gives elance some compounding competitive advantages, like market depth, but even still, they are only getting a small proportion of the total work being offered.

          When someone hires a product launch writer for $10K - $30k, is it done through elance? My money is on NO almost all the time. The same is true for most other work.

          Elance is doing $2m a week in bookable work. They originate maybe 5-10 times this amount (by hooking up long term partners...the original project may have been only $200, but the ongoing "off elance" work is likely to be many times higher)....lets say its $15m a week. If they are getting 10% of the market (probably very generous), there is over $150m a week of work changing hands online...on outsourcing sites and privately. Thats almost $8bn a year....and its growing fast.

          Freelancing online will be a $100bn a year industry in a 7 years if current growth rates persist.

          These are rough figures because its hard to be exact, but they're in the ballpark. Theres a dearth of work out there, growing faster than anything else because of the recession. Employers want contractors, not union labor, more and more today. They can't afford to pay the going rates, or for the unproductive time and the healthcare.

          You will never have to leave freelance sites...theres more than enough work going around and its growing at 65%+ a year....240k jobs in 2008, projected to be 400k in 2009 on elance alone.

          How much are people earning? Well, most people who spend a lot of time at freelance sites earn OK money....$200 a day plus.

          45% are classified as regulars or addict visitors. 52% earn over $60k a year. The regulars and addicts will be top heavy in this high earning category.

          elance.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

          You dont need a college degree and age is no barrier.

          Get a handful of clients like Edman, who pay up to $150 per article and you're home and dry. They do exist.

          All the best

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      • Profile picture of the author edman
        bigjock

        Please look at this website, and I'd like your comments on it, is this a waste of time?

        Gift Ideas: Father's Day Gifts, Wedding Gifts, Gift Baskets, Anniversary Gifts

        Also I think if you were to advice Liz, it is not by being sarcastic and suggest that she is better off getting a job from me as an example... that's quite rude

        Has it occurred to you that she doesn't want to be a writer and get paid for writing?.. I'm not sure why you are bent on trying to convince that this is the best approach?.. If it's something you like that's fine, but it is not for everyone

        Except you have a passion for writing... and I mean a lot of it. Writing every single day for clients on different topics, because your income depends on it, not because it's for your business doesn't sound so appealing I'm sorry.

        She may not be doing exactly the right things right now, but I don't think that advising her to become a writer is going to lead her down a better road

        The lady came on this forum looking for advice, she took what she could grab and she has been trying something and finally she got something out of it... What we need to give her is encouragement, and also better guidance for her to fulfill her goals.

        If she wants to sell affiliate products and make money doing it, then she may be looking for the best way to do it using a combination of articles, blogs, ppc etc... she is looking for a system that works and she may not be interested in having to write articles all day everyday to make a living.






        Originally Posted by bigjock View Post

        Edman

        "...can be profitable".

        If you make $0.01 per article, thats profitable. But as you rightly allude to, and as OP shows, theres definitely no guarantee...and many bum marketers are making incomes which make sweat shop Nike trainer stitchers look like slum dog millionaires.

        Look at some of the posts to this thread...

        "Your success gives us hope".

        Lots of people are running on empty fuel tanks and pockets following this bum marketing strategy. A tiny handful of people are making a living at it.

        NOT ONE article writer who sells his work is failing to make what they need...fast. Many are making incomes in hundreds of dollars per day. A significant minority are making 5 figures a month.

        The difference is the rate of success....

        How many bum marketers would you say are earning $10 or more for EVERY SINGLE ONE of their articles over the productive lifetime of that article?

        I'd say it's in low single digits, percentage wise. The odds against it are massive.

        ALL the bum marketers who have contacted me are earning less than @1/10th (and some less than 1/100th) of what I make selling the articles I write.

        Im not talking about working preferences here. If some people enjoy bum marketing, great. Life is short and you should do what you enjoy.

        I'm talking about profit maximisation.

        I think, if your goal is to maximise your income, its crazy to go for a strategy which has such a high failure rate while an almost identical strategy has a huge success rate.

        Even when you join the tiny percentage of bum marketers who are successsful to a high degree, you aren't compensated for the risk by a massively higher income...because highly successful bum marketers earn only what the majority of smart and efficient article writers earn.

        Im sorry I'm so passionate about this...but it makes me want to throw up when I see people struggling when theres so much easy money out there.

        Theres an easy way for bum marketers to determine if they should be bum marketing or if they should adjust their strategy.

        Take the number of articles you've written, multiply it by 10.

        If that is how much money you've made...keep at it.

        It not, do a 30 day experiment. Temporarily stop bum marketing for one month. Get hired to write for other people and compare the income results.

        Then choose the path which produces the most income, if income maximisation is your goal.

        That experiment will settle the question for all who try it.

        All the best

        Barry

        Edit...maybe you should give OP a job? You pay $50 to $150 per article? I think you'd have one highly motivated employee for this price.

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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
          Edman

          Im in a bit of a hurry...so I'll be quick.

          I am deadly serious. Why is working for $150 an article sarcastic? Showing Liz that people pay $150 per article was probably a HUGE shock for her...sorry you think thats rude.
          Thats a lovely site.
          Liz is trying to get paid for writing.
          I don't make my living from writing...and I don't have a particular passion for it...and I'm not really very good at it...but I have banked $1000 a day doing it.

          EDIT...Like I already said a couple of times...Im not coming at this from a working preference point of view...life is short...do what you love. If people are happy to bum market for a fraction of what they can sell articles for, no problem. Go for it. theres more to life than money.

          But if they want to maximize income, bum marketing is plainly crazy compared to the alternatives.

          All the best

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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Hi Liz,

    Congrats on your first sale! I remember my first sale when 2 years ago, i jumped and screamed and was pumped up in excitement the whole day. The confident it gave me pushed me to try other ideas and after many failures and attempts i found what i wanted to do.

    I don't like to just advise you to rinse and repeat. But at the same time, i also seen people like Tim Gormon who is working only few hours a day because he is in military, earn 6 figure income just with article marketing. I'd recommend you to follow his advice. His product named "Article marketing answers" helped me open my eyes to see what article marketing can really do for one.

    After ordering the product i emailed and asked him if it was possible to make $500 a month with just articles. His answer was to write an article a day or 30 a month and keep submitting. What i'd like to add here is one powerful informative article beats the lousy written one. If you have 40 powerful articles that really even makes the sleepy person to read it, then you are on the right track to make money with articles Liz.

    With that i wish you all the best and all the success in your online business.

    Best,
    Esh
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  • Profile picture of the author edman
    Lovely tip Esh... and good one for anyone to follow

    Quality is the only way to stand out, boost your credibility, establish yourself as an authority in your niche, build your loyal fan base and eventually make more money
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  • Profile picture of the author JRG
    Gratz. Now just make it better and duplicate is as often as possible! Then we will see you announce your first $20,000 and then $200,000 etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Hmmm... This thread really took off in a direction I certainly did not expect by reading the title. I have some comments:

    @BigJock: You won't get any $1000 days from elance anytime soon. Having said that, I think you can get to $100 days but you will be working 8 hours/day for it. Writing each and every day can get very tiring so as a long term strategy it does not work for me. Since writing is an integral part of my business, I write the most important parts and outsource the rest.

    My specialties are flipping websites and building niche Adsense sites. Adsense income can be a stable, long term income source. It allows you to do other things. Website flipping can be very lucrative if you sell sites that are making money.

    @OP: I am glad you made your first money. It proves to you that it can be done. Now go and make more!

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      I think you can get to $100 days but you will be working 8 hours/day for it. Writing each and every day can get very tiring so as a long term strategy it does not work for me.
      I think is is definitely true for the vast majority of writers out there...but as in all businesses, a small minority make a huge amount more than the average.

      Writing is no different than any other business. It has a predictable distribution of incomes.

      The quantcast.com data immediately refutes your claim of $100 a day being difficult. It shows that 26% of users earn over $100k a year...or about $400 a day, based on a 240 day year.

      I do understand why you find $1000/day impossible...especially if you find $100 difficult.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
    Thanks Edman - received your PM and will get onto downloading your AMI straight away.

    Thanks again - much appreciated

    Liz
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    • Profile picture of the author edman
      Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

      Thanks Edman - received your PM and will get onto downloading your AMI straight away.

      Thanks again - much appreciated

      Liz
      My pleasure Liz,

      and do spend some time reading through it...

      This thread took a different turn, and we all lost track of what is needed, which is how can we all in this forum support each other do do better.

      I'll send you a PM and you can add me on skype to do a bit of brainstorming on how you could actually make this work... I'm not talking about just articles, I mean your goal... and if we need further help or expertise, I know many warriors here will be wiling to join in to share their valuable input in areas they excel.

      That's if you want it
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  • Profile picture of the author edman
    That site is made up of just affiliate products and has articles for the products and they are an authority site in the gift market.

    EDIT BASED ON HIS EDITING BELOW: - The above is just an example, and there are many like this one, in different forms of product reviews and recommendations, I just picked this one for you to see and I'm 100% sure you were going to say its not enough... but once again.. expected... selling your articles is better


    WOW Barry I'm not sure what to say ... A few posts a go, I could have sworn that you've been advicing people that it is the best course of action, and even in details... now you don't even have a passion for it?

    What you are now saying is that Liz should not be a writer, that she should start a business outsourcing articles for people?...

    You remind me of someone edit: my ex ... and even God couldn't win with her

    If I say A bee stung me and it hurt... you will say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms

    If I say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms... you will say bee stings hurt so its not good

    ADD: why not advice liz to build an authority site, with a reputation like many dozens of authority websites, so that she can build a brand, instead of selling off her articles for change... and the day she decides to take a break, she looses all her income in a second, because she has to keep writing and writing and writing--- poor advice


    I retire folks
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by edman View Post

      That site is made up of just affiliate products and has articles for the products and they are an authority site in the gift market.

      WOW Barry I'm not sure what to say ... A few posts a go, I could have sworn that you've been advicing people that it is the best course of action, and even in details... now you don't even have a passion for it?

      What you are now saying is that Liz should not be a writer, that she should start a business outsourcing articles for people?...

      You remind me of someone ... and even God couldn't win with that person

      If I say A bee stung me and it hurt... you will say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms

      If I say bee stings reduce arthritis symptoms... you will say bee stings hurt so its not good

      I retire folks

      I don't think you've read what I've said.

      I do advise bum marketers to sell their writing if they want to maximize their income.

      I also advise people who want to make money right now to buy gold.

      I don't have a passion for gold either....its just a good strategy for some people right now who believe high inflation is coming. Risk/reward/return/security...but it pays no interest, dividends and is a poor investment for long periods frequently.

      I'm sure if you read my posts, you'll find out how I make my living and what I'm passionate about.

      Gifts.com isn't really comparable to a lot of bum marketers.

      A bucket of rotten apples with a good apple sitting onto is still pretty putrid. Cherry picking is easy to do...but it doesn't present a picture of reality...just a picture of a cherry...and its precisely the reason most bum marketers are bums.

      All the best

      Barry

      EDIT...what Im saying for Liz is that bum marketing is a poor strategy if she wants to maximise her income.

      So I'm the devil? Classy dude.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRookie
    Nice work I hope you see it grow.
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    wow... i am happy for you keep it on.. You can do it
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  • Profile picture of the author crissanteiro
    I think BigJock has redeemed himself if only thru the amount of good advice he has given.

    Star Riley sure said it beautifully for me.

    And Liz, I do congratulate you.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Originally Posted by masterGlen View Post

    Awesome! Good luck for more soon.
    There you go, now we're back on topic

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      There you go, now we're back on topic

      TomG.
      Tom,

      I don't think the thread went off topic. What were you hoping for -- thirty posts all saying "congrats"? How much value does that add? None.

      I don't think Bigjock was trying to be difficult. To the contrary, he was trying to add value and have a discussion. What's wrong with that? I thought his comments were insightful.

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  • Profile picture of the author nauquetta30
    I am so happy for you. How did you go about writing your article? I ask because I want to learn how to do this myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
      Originally Posted by nauquetta30 View Post

      I am so happy for you. How did you go about writing your article? I ask because I want to learn how to do this myself.
      Hi Nauqetta30 - thankyou!

      I purchased Dean Shainin's

      "The Underground Secret EzineArticle Manifesto - WSO"

      which really taught me alot on how to write effective articles. I only joined the forum around 1 month ago and i had already been writing articles but not been successful in earning money via affiliate marketing with them.

      Once I read the above WSO - it really opened my eyes and has helped me improve my articles heaps.

      I also searched for alot of other good info on the forum - all great stuff.‏

      Keep at it - you will get there. The more articles you write the better you will be at writing them
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    Good for you! Keep it up
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  • Profile picture of the author Raz
    Congratulation. Now you made $20, maybe next time you will make $2000, just keep up the good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author sashagilberg
    congrats on your first sale! I remember when I got my first sale and it was the BEST feeling ever!! Really experience this moment because you're gonna remember it forever
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    • Profile picture of the author Nino C
      Congrats to you.... u can now proudly announce that "you made money online"

      NIceeee
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    • Profile picture of the author redrossero
      I would not sell my articles because I make more than $10 per article, 250 words from affiliate marketing. If I would sell it I would not make more than $5. Considering that English is not my first language guess that I would have to take lower rates. So, for me is not worth it. However, it will be worth article flipping, which I suspect you are doing and it is something to look at...

      Also the OP is a stay at home mum with a small baby and from my experience is hard to work on deadlines when your baby is screaming that he needs a cuddle or try to touch everything in the house...mums know better
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      • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
        Congrats Liz! I made my first sale a fw weeks back, and I still smile about it. More than that, congratulations on your hard work, your determination and your attitude. These are the qualities that are more important than money! I don't know why everyone's hating on bigjock though. You guys might not like the straight talking (though I think that's more a US/UK culture difference) but he's giving lots of advice away for free, and some of it I think is excellent. Just my two cents...
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
        Originally Posted by redrossero View Post

        I would not sell my articles because I make more than $10 per article, 250 words from affiliate marketing. If I would sell it I would not make more than $5. Considering that English is not my first language guess that I would have to take lower rates. So, for me is not worth it. However, it will be worth article flipping, which I suspect you are doing and it is something to look at...

        Also the OP is a stay at home mum with a small baby and from my experience is hard to work on deadlines when your baby is screaming that he needs a cuddle or try to touch everything in the house...mums know better
        In making more than $10 per article, you are obviously very highly skilled. Considering that your first language isn't English, this is an awesome achievement. Congrats to that.

        I think you should definitely consider leveraging your success and getting hundreds of articles produced each day by writers and hiring people to work your systems, which are obviously effective.

        I think a ton of people here would love to know how you make so much....it would be very valuable to a lot of people starting you.

        All the best

        Barry
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    • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
      Originally Posted by Justice44 View Post

      How did you do this?
      Hi Justice44

      I chose a product from CB in the fitness niche - put together a single webpage with a related article as content, and banners promoting the product. Then I wrote 2 articles with my links included and submitted them to Ezine - within 24 hours I had made a sale. This was pretty much it.

      Liz
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  • Profile picture of the author tamaradaria
    Liz, I know it feels good to
    make your first sale...no matter
    how long it took.

    Unlike many people who give
    up, you kept at it and for that
    you were rewarded.

    For me, I see that you didn't
    give up and that's inspiring
    when there are people who never
    ever make one thin dime online.

    The guys here have given us
    some great advice on how to
    maximize our business either
    as affiliates or as writers...

    I'm gonna take it and run with it!

    How about you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Brown
    I remember my first sale...

    It truly is exciting! Now, it's time to repeat what you did and scale it up! Today you made $20, next week make $200, then make $2,000!
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  • Profile picture of the author ONOFFMarketing
    It takes a lot to do well with article marketing, its hard to write something that is both informative while also a sales pitch as well. I tried it with CB with minimal success, then again, I wasn't too keen on targeting my keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author jennim
      Congratulations, Liz. I'm sure it's the first of many to come!
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    congrat liz :-D it so inspirational .. and I'll pray for you it will be first step to become success as an affiliate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dally137
    Hey man I am a newbie here please share the ways and strategies you have used to earn here cause I am also thinking of doing article writing and have started already.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stay At Home Mum
      Originally Posted by Dally137 View Post

      Hey man I am a newbie here please share the ways and strategies you have used to earn here cause I am also thinking of doing article writing and have started already.
      Hi Dally137 -I've tried quite a few ways promoting products but most cost money, and article marketing is free. It's also something i love to do - so writing is very easy for me - having said that I am still learning how to put together a well written article that will bring me sales because I still consider my self to be a newbie too..

      I have found though that the best strategies (for me anyway) if you want to use article marketing is to write about things you are really passionate about and already have some knowledge on. So find a few products, research them, and workout what ones you think you would like to promote and just start writing.

      I tend to procrastinate alot and get side tracked with emails, and other things - so another strategy is to stop thinking, and reading and just get out there and do it. Focus on one method you want to use to promote your products with and get really good at it - so if you want to try article marketing then write as many articles as you can. The m ore you write the better they will become.

      Hey don't forget - I have only made one sale so far with this article marketing thing so I am definatley no expert! There are heaps and heaps of other great people in this forum who have been at this for ever and ever and will provide you with loads of good info for you to use.

      Good luck
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      • Profile picture of the author edman
        The best way I think to look at article marketing is not just to place links in a resource box, submit to directories and get people to buy from your link.. rather a long term approach is more profitable.

        So for example assuming your product is wordpress themes, and you want people to buy from you as well as find you easily, you would build your website with your gallery etc... and then begin using articles to answer questions that people ask about themes, wordpress and all related topics (you get the topics through basic research).

        Keep updating this site on a consistent basis with valuable content, and in time Google will begin to update your website more often.

        You should then piggy back on directories, hubpages, squidoo and similar to build the traffic back to your website. Encourage subscriptions and community interaction on your website and in time you'll build your loyal fan base... just to maintain quality, you may even invest in higher quality writers, or better still even approach some writers and ask them if they'd bee interested in supplying you with a few unique articles that you could post on your blog and these articles should be exclusive to your website.

        This is a good way to build content for those categories you don't plan to write on but are related, and you'd be surprised at how many will be willing to become contributors if you reference their work and site, or you may have some complimentary products you can share with them or you may just trade articles with each other.

        For this to work well, only maintain one or two writers for one category, you don't want to become a directory of articles and you want your writers to enjoy the partnership too. As well, establish the style so you don't end up with just any content.

        This is just one approach, .. overall, your goal with articles should be to build a trusted brand name as best you can.. even if it is not your own product, and you should understand that this also takes some time to build, but in the end it pays of.

        Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

        Hi Dally137 -I've tried quite a few ways promoting products but most cost money, and article marketing is free. It's also something i love to do - so writing is very easy for me - having said that I am still learning how to put together a well written article that will bring me sales because I still consider my self to be a newbie too..

        I have found though that the best strategies (for me anyway) if you want to use article marketing is to write about things you are really passionate about and already have some knowledge on. So find a few products, research them, and workout what ones you think you would like to promote and just start writing.

        I tend to procrastinate alot and get side tracked with emails, and other things - so another strategy is to stop thinking, and reading and just get out there and do it. Focus on one method you want to use to promote your products with and get really good at it - so if you want to try article marketing then write as many articles as you can. The m ore you write the better they will become.

        Hey don't forget - I have only made one sale so far with this article marketing thing so I am definatley no expert! There are heaps and heaps of other great people in this forum who have been at this for ever and ever and will provide you with loads of good info for you to use.

        Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author elenash
    Congratulations, I'm just starting this as well, I want to build a website with articles and submit to directories, but I'm thinking it is better for me to build a lot of content on my website first and then start to drive traffic through article directories.

    I've been successful with PPC and this is how I earn my income mainly, but would like to try out articles now and combine it with social bookmarking and rss submitting.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Yes, reading emails, forum posting (only when excessive), looking up stats., all these will erode your earnings if you allow them to interfere with the business of making money. A while back, I posted a thread titled "what are you doing today to make money" or something like that which makes this point. You should ask yourself each and every day this question: "What can I do to make money today?"

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  • Profile picture of the author elenash
    This what I'd like to do. Articles and affiliate programs is good, my PPC campaign works well, but you have to provide value and make it worth staying on your site. I generally use reviews and recommendations as well as general history and updates about the industry etc...

    Now I will start using articles and social bookmarking to drive traffic to those sites as well and I think it should add value to what I'm already doing
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    Originally Posted by redrossero
    I would not sell my articles because I make more than $10 per article, 250 words from affiliate marketing. If I would sell it I would not make more than $5. Considering that English is not my first language guess that I would have to take lower rates. So, for me is not worth it. However, it will be worth article flipping, which I suspect you are doing and it is something to look at...

    Also the OP is a stay at home mum with a small baby and from my experience is hard to work on deadlines when your baby is screaming that he needs a cuddle or try to touch everything in the house...mums know better
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Good! Good! Keep it up!

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  • Profile picture of the author simpleonline1234
    Gheesh...how many times are you going to make your first $20?? I think I've read this post like 10 times in a few days already.....= ) Are you spamming or something?
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  • Profile picture of the author ron250k
    Great job...keep up the great work
    much success and prosperity
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  • Profile picture of the author michellegreen
    Wow. I can't believe it's been just over a week since I last saw this thread, and how it has grown!

    Firstly, I would like to congratulate you Liz - your first sale does feel good.

    Now, let me tell you what I did last week. I was reading through this thread with interest. Bigjock (Barry) had some very interesting points that intrigued me - a LOT. A thousand dollars a day??? REALLY??? Half that would be lovely!

    I've been article (or BUM) marketing for quite a while now, and yes it works, but it most definitely doesn't work as well for most as one would like to think. I can teach you how to build yourself a website and make your first sale in less than 30 days (my last client did it in 10 days). That's just great. However...she only made $20 in that time too. At the time I was really excited for her, but now I know more...

    I had a bit if a private chat with Barry and asked him some questions about what he was talking about and after reading his answers I asked him to mentor me.

    We agreed on a price and he officially became my mentor. Woo hoo!

    What has happened since last Tuesday has simply astounded me.

    Being an article marketer, I knew I could write well enough to convince someone to click on my link and buy a product from me. I'm writing anyway, so why not write and get more money than I do now from it??? It just seemed like the logical way to go!

    I followed his instructions, created my Elance (and others) account with absolutely no credibility whatsoever (in fact, I still have none because I am waiting for my feedback scores to go in!) and followed Barry's instructions to the letter. His instructions are really simple and step by step, telling you exactly what to do and when. Even my mother would be able to follow it!

    I then started bidding for jobs, whilst following the strategies he taught me. They are so simple, but yet hardly anyone follows these strategies so while you think you have a lot of competition, you really don't.

    Within a DAY I had my first client. On day 2, I had a couple more...

    I now have 8 clients and another has contacted me about the possibility of creating a joint business venture which could turn out to be quite lucrative. I also had another come back to me yesterday apologising because she didn't pick me and she regretted it. She was also asking if I could write for her in the future!

    I'm not at $1000 a day yet, but I will be and I now know that it can be done.

    I have made more money in the last week than I made after several months of article marketing starting off and it is all because of what Barry has taught me - AND I'm only in week 2 of a 12 month course!! This is so unbelievable.

    All of my clients have been lovely and have suggested they will use me for future work (which brings back what Baz said earlier about Elance being only a small drop in the ocean - he's right).

    Oh, and I work full time and am a mother of two (one is two years old, so still high maintenance!).

    Yesterday I was starting to feel completely overwhelmed because of the amount of work that was coming my way - I have had to push work out to two weeks away!

    Barry assures me that what I learn in month 2 will take most of the heat off. I believe him.

    I plan to concentrate on this full time from the end of next month and you will all be told when that happens!

    Barry offered to coach Liz free of charge. Me personally, well I could not justify being taught this stuff for nothing - it is THAT good.

    So Liz, you have been handed a truly amazing gift. It is your choice as to whether to accept it or not and I won't lie - it's been a lot of hard work, however I knew that this first month was going to be hard and that it will improve.

    I suppose it all comes down to what you want, how much and how quickly you want it!
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwebb610
    Congrats I'm still looking for my first sale. It's close, I can feel it.
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    • Profile picture of the author michellegreen
      Hi everyone

      I thought I'd pop in and offer a quick update on how I'm going with Barry's coaching.

      Today I booked in another job that now brings my total work booked in two weeks and one day to almost $550 USD.

      Before I started with Barry I had some success with article (bum) marketing but it was a lot of work for not much reward. I have never been trained as a writer and I didn't get A's in English at school all those years ago either. I am proof that if you can use a spell checker and you can read to make sure your writing reads well, then you can do this.

      I am married with two children and I work full time, so there really is no excuse for not being able to do this.

      Yep, I've only reached $550 but I have only just started and am now charging a lot more for my work (up to and over four times more) than I was two weeks ago.

      The only way is up from here...
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
        Michelle.

        Its important to note that this is the end of the first 2 week buying cycle at a rate of pay that is roughly 1/4th of the real target rate of pay. You're rate of pay has risen 300% in 2 weeks...as expected.

        By no means have you seen all the work you will see from your activity in the first 2 weeks. More money will come in over time and now that you're established, and you will win more work at the new rate.

        For example, if you repeated your activity from the last 2 weeks at your current rate of pay, you'd be looking at @$2000 in 2 weeks.

        By then end of this month, you will be earning a minimum of $200 per day....bang on track. My suspicion is that you will surprise on the upside.

        This foundation to your business is nothing more than you deserve...you've worked hard.

        If you didn't have a full time job, I think the post you would have written would have stunned almost everyone on the forum.

        Still...theres always next month.

        All the best

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  • Profile picture of the author RebeccaL
    Well done. You can only increase it from there.

    I'm currently running one campaign with 100% article marketing and am averaging $100 a day with it - all profit. It took about 25 days to get to that and earnings are increasing everyday. I was seeing sales from day 1 and it's just built up from there. Considering I've only submitted around 25 articles in that time, I see no reason why I can't get this particular campaign to $300/day.

    So have faith and keep doing what works
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      Originally Posted by RebeccaL View Post

      Well done. You can only increase it from there.

      I'm currently running one campaign with 100% article marketing and am averaging $100 a day with it - all profit. It took about 25 days to get to that and earnings are increasing everyday. I was seeing sales from day 1 and it's just built up from there. Considering I've only submitted around 25 articles in that time, I see no reason why I can't get this particular campaign to $300/day.

      So have faith and keep doing what works

      Rebecca...thats fantastic and a great return on your articles.

      I think OP and dozens of other struggling bum marketers would benefit hugely from a step by step breakdown of how you achieve these results.

      You seem to be doing something that many have yet to master after long periods of trying.

      So....any chance of you spilling the beans to help OP out?

      All the best

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  • Profile picture of the author AdamSlade88
    Hey Liz, thats great! I remember my first sale when i started off...i literally jumped out of my seat for joy. Everyone needs that first sale to give them that confidence to strive for more. Keep it up!
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  • Profile picture of the author RebeccaL
    Hey Barry

    It all comes down to the niche/product, your resource box and your keywords. I've hit on some great keywords that have brought in 1000 views in 3 days. So far one particular such article has been on Google front page for a week so Im currently building links to keep it there.

    Once you see trends of which articles are doing well (in ezinearticles Reports section) you can duplicate that effort by writing more articles on those keywords, and doing some social bookmarking etc to build some links to succesful articles.

    This was really an experiment for me and I may be "lucky" that the offer I chose is converting so well, so I will be attempting this on other offers - after I see success there I might report back
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    • Profile picture of the author michellegreen
      Hi Guys

      Just a quick update for anyone who might be interested.

      Thanks to Barry, I have resigned from my job and finish up Friday!!!

      This was not even on my radar just over a month ago and now even one of my friends has come on board and is doing well too.

      Another FB friend of mine started last week and he is truly amazed at how successful he has been. His exact words were: "I dont think I have ever seen this level of success in a system before and yes it is a lot of work but I think the joy comes from actual results as you go."

      It just goes to show, with the right strategy and coaching from someone who obviously knows what he's talking about, you can achieve your dreams! Woohoo!

      I'm not going to say it's been easy - I've never been busier - but it's extremely rewarding. Seeing results from Day 1 kind of gives that feeling!

      Ok, I'm off to go plan my new and wonderful life! :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author michellegreen
        Hi John

        I've actually had to pull back my workload because of my job, and I had to take a week off the other week to catch up! On the Friday I had made around $100 USD by lunch time with a lot more work to do, so not too shabby! Also, I have a few repeat clients now, so this will bring in ongoing work for me. There is a LOT more work out there than I realised.

        Because I've had to reduce my workload, I'm well behind where I would be if I was full time at this, hence my decision to quit. I've spent the last week getting rid of my backlog, but will ramp things up next week in preparation for the week after when I'm FREE!

        So in the last month, I've brought in close to $1000 USD. I've been working full time, I have two young children and of course I'm doing this as well, so it's not a bad part time income either!

        I won't lie and say it's been easy though. It's been a LOT of hard work, but I suppose nobody minds putting in hard work if they're going to see results! If you decide to go ahead with it, be prepared for a few late nights! It gets easier from month two though, as I have just found out!

        What's also great is that you're not paying for the entire course up front and can pull out at any time, although I can't wait to get each module, so will be sticking with it to the end!
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  • Profile picture of the author circle1ne
    Congrats Liz! I remember that feeling. I almost like how Click Bank does not send email notices of sales. The surprise is such a rewarding feeling. Keep up the good work and be sure to track your sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author bronnamdia
    Congrats.
    The first online income is usually the most important for it tells you that your efforts prior to that was not in vain and the first income also counsels you that to make more money online, you have to do more of what you had been doing.

    Have you written more articles?
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  • Profile picture of the author opportunity_kno
    wow congrats... but what are you aiming for? how much would you ideally like to make per day on this? your ultimate goal?

    Will you post your progress as you go? it's always nice to see some progress reports going along, keeps people's spirits up these days!
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  • Profile picture of the author macclub
    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
    Congratulations ... I am so glad to here that.. I love this business..
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    • Profile picture of the author kuurgen
      I just wanted to thank Barry for posting his insightful thoughts on Bum marketing.

      I have just started getting into affiliate marketing, and I see a lot of people pushing snake oil.

      Of course I may get labeled as negative or cynical, but I felt your post was a real breath of fresh air. I know the amount of time I've spent researching, tweaking PPC campaigns, writing articles, reading forum posts try to decipher the correct way to go about this.

      I also have some trepidation about the recent Squidoo announcement, that they will be putting lenses under more scrutiny in order to combat spammy lenses.

      Maybe it's just me, I'm having a hard time making my lens not sound like a sell job.

      I also agree, I'm sure there are people were making very big money in affiliate marketing, I just don't think it's in Bum Marketing either.


      Again, thank you for your posts, I know your intent wasn't to be malicious towards the OP, you are simply being honest and sometimes we need to see more of that instead of candy coated "best wishes".
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  • Profile picture of the author femkeshe
    Congrats Liz!
    And... is it going on to more or is it still 20,-

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    congrats and keep it up
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  • Profile picture of the author scole954387
    Originally Posted by Stay At Home Mum View Post

    Hi everyone - I am so excited!! I am a newbie here and have been quitly going about my own thing and reading all of the great advice people give in here. I just wanted to tell everyone that i checked my CB account today and I found I had made a sale - which came as a result of an article I posted yesterday on exine articles!!!

    I have been at this affiliate marketing thing for approximately 7 months - since my little boy was born - and I am hoping it will start to pay off now.

    $20 isnt much I know - but to me it is!

    WOO HOO!!!!
    Wow, there are so many people sharing their success stories on the warrior's forum. It really is great to see! Some people worry about too many people coming into the market, but the funny thing about money is that money grows where money flows.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Congratulations!

    I've always found article marketing to be the most satisfying out of all Internet Marketing methods. The traffic doesn't come pouring in like it does with PPC at first....BUT, if you get enough articles out there you will see a steady stream of traffic for months and years to come.

    So great job! Now, build up your article empire....Your wallet will thank you!
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    Congratulations! That's very exciting!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamar100
    Congratulations I look forward to joining you with my first dollar made. I have over 400 domain names and now I am looking to make some money off of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckystepho
    Well done Stay-At-Home-Mum- it's a huge learning curve. You have put the time in learning the whole IM process and when you make that first sale it makes you realise that it is possible to make money at this!

    It will give you confidence to make the next $20- and the next and so on.
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