Correct me if i'm wrong but..

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Correct me if i'm wrong but..

If you have seen my first post on this forum it was deciding on if I wanted to go the route of Network Marketing vs the route of Affiliate Marketing.

Thanks to very helpful people on this forum I have learned a lot more about affiliate marketing.

But from what I've studied so far it seems it would be more logical to go with Network Marketing. You're going to call me crazy for saying this and I could be missing out on something entirely.

The reason I say this is because even I decided to join a GOOD network marketing company (and by good I mean people would buy the product without even knowing about the business) and not even use the multiple levels I could still make a similar commission to affiliate marketing from what I've seen.

For example let's say I'm using a website to promote Ipods on amazon that are 100.00 each and I get a 4% commission I am making around 4.00 an Ipod. This would be Affiliate Marketing.

Now an example of Network Marketing.. Say I have a site but instead of using it to promote those Ipods I promote the Network Marketing companies products (Providing they are GOOD) and let's say it also pays 4% on that first level but also pays 4% 10 levels down. Let's forget about the multiple levels for a second. Even if i'm not using them

i'm getting 4% on the ipods.. I'm getting 4% on the Network Marketing companies products on the first level and also have the option of introducing people into the business and getting paid multiple levels deep.

And another plus in Network Marketing is the products of a good company are something that will be purchased over and over and over again. (residual income)

Now the flaw in Network Marketing is that you are required to be on a case auto-ship which if you are in a good company and like the product this isn't even a flaw. (or you could turn around and sell your case auto-ship)

So from what I've seen so far I've concluded Network Marketing is Affiliate marketing on steroids.

I feel like i'm missing something about Affiliate Marketing.. I just don't understand :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Discuss? :confused:

(Please not that I am not in any way shape or form bashing Affiliate Marketing. I am not very educated on it I just understand the very basics behind it.)
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  • Profile picture of the author keith88
    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    Correct me if i'm wrong but..

    If you have seen my first post on this forum it was deciding on if I wanted to go the route of Network Marketing vs the route of Affiliate Marketing.

    Thanks to very helpful people on this forum I have learned a lot more about affiliate marketing.

    But from what I've studied so far it seems it would be more logical to go with Network Marketing. You're going to call me crazy for saying and I could be missing out on something entirely.

    The reason I say this is because even I decided to join a GOOD network marketing company (and by good I mean people would buy the product without even knowing about the business) and not even use the multiple levels I could still make a similar commission to affiliate marketing from what I've seen.

    For example let's say I'm using a website to promote Ipods on amazon that are 100.00 each and I get a 4% commission I am making around 4.00 an Ipod. This would be Affiliate Marketing.

    Now an example of Network Marketing.. Say I have a site but instead of using it to promote those Ipods I promote the Network Marketing companies products (Providing they are GOOD) and let's say it also pays 4% on that first level but also pays 4% 10 levels down. Let's forget about the multiple levels for a second. Even if i'm not using them

    i'm getting 4% on the ipods.. I'm getting 4% on the Network Marketing companies products on the first level and also have the option of introducing people into the business and getting paid multiple levels deep.

    And another plus in Network Marketing is the products of a good company are something that will be purchased over and over and over again. (residual income)

    Now the flaw in Network Marketing is that you are required to be on a case auto-ship which if you are in a good company and like the product this isn't even a flaw. (or you could turn around and sell your case auto-ship)

    So from what I've seen so far I've concluded Network Marketing is Affiliate marketing on steroids.

    I feel like i'm missing something about Affiliate Marketing.. I just don't understand :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    Discuss? :confused:

    (Please not that I am not in any way shape or form bashing Affiliate Marketing. I am not very educated on it I just understand the very basics behind it.)
    Trenton screw all that. People are biased with their choices at times. Some will say affiliate marketing all the way and others will say Network Marketing all way.

    The best thing you can do is MAKE A DECISION AND STICK WITH IT.

    Find out what company or product offers the best value and take action.

    Dont give up no matter what and you WILL succeed. But asking for peoples opinions will help or make you more confused than ever lol.

    Truth is people can only give you THEIR experiences, their experience doesn't have to be YOURS. Put that on the fridge lol.

    Find someone successful in the company or network marketing in general, make them your mentor. Then be successful and tell us how ya did it!

    God Bless!
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    • Profile picture of the author FraggleJ78
      Originally Posted by keith88 View Post

      Trenton screw all that. People are biased with their choices at times. Some will say affiliate marketing all the way and others will say Network Marketing all way.

      The best thing you can do is MAKE A DECISION AND STICK WITH IT.

      Find out what company or product offers the best value and take action.

      Dont give up no matter what and you WILL succeed. But asking for peoples opinions will help or make you more confused than ever lol.

      Truth is people can only give you THEIR experiences, their experience doesn't have to be YOURS. Put that on the fridge lol.

      Find someone successful in the company or network marketing in general, make them your mentor. Then be successful and tell us how ya did it!

      God Bless!
      Woah... a sensible reply!!!! 100% agreed with this.

      When researching a company or product, often times taking peoples opinions won't lead you anywhere other than the road of confusion.

      Love what was said in this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author keith88
    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    Correct me if i'm wrong but..

    If you have seen my first post on this forum it was deciding on if I wanted to go the route of Network Marketing vs the route of Affiliate Marketing.

    Thanks to very helpful people on this forum I have learned a lot more about affiliate marketing.

    But from what I've studied so far it seems it would be more logical to go with Network Marketing. You're going to call me crazy for saying and I could be missing out on something entirely.

    The reason I say this is because even I decided to join a GOOD network marketing company (and by good I mean people would buy the product without even knowing about the business) and not even use the multiple levels I could still make a similar commission to affiliate marketing from what I've seen.

    For example let's say I'm using a website to promote Ipods on amazon that are 100.00 each and I get a 4% commission I am making around 4.00 an Ipod. This would be Affiliate Marketing.

    Now an example of Network Marketing.. Say I have a site but instead of using it to promote those Ipods I promote the Network Marketing companies products (Providing they are GOOD) and let's say it also pays 4% on that first level but also pays 4% 10 levels down. Let's forget about the multiple levels for a second. Even if i'm not using them

    i'm getting 4% on the ipods.. I'm getting 4% on the Network Marketing companies products on the first level and also have the option of introducing people into the business and getting paid multiple levels deep.

    And another plus in Network Marketing is the products of a good company are something that will be purchased over and over and over again. (residual income)

    Now the flaw in Network Marketing is that you are required to be on a case auto-ship which if you are in a good company and like the product this isn't even a flaw. (or you could turn around and sell your case auto-ship)

    So from what I've seen so far I've concluded Network Marketing is Affiliate marketing on steroids.

    I feel like i'm missing something about Affiliate Marketing.. I just don't understand :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    Discuss? :confused:

    (Please not that I am not in any way shape or form bashing Affiliate Marketing. I am not very educated on it I just understand the very basics behind it.)
    Don't try to learn everything because that's impossible. Know enough to take action and surround yourself with people that are already doing what you wanna do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trenton
    But I mean is my logic correct here or am I missing something? I just don't understand
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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

      But I mean is my logic correct here or am I missing something? I just don't understand
      Well, these network companies have different comp plans. Is there one your looking at in particular?
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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

      But I mean is my logic correct here or am I missing something? I just don't understand
      I think you have the jist of it BUT I'm no expert here.The numbers and percentages will vary from company to company!
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Both involve selling products, but network marketing involves recruiting other people too.

    Some people don't like doing that, but if that's what you want to do then go for it.


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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      Both involve selling products, but network marketing involves recruiting other people too.

      Some people don't like doing that, but if that's what you want to do then go for it.


      Andrew
      O yea your right. If you really want to do well you will need to ATTRACT people into your downline!
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    You aren't considering the conversion rate of a product on Amazon vs. the conversion rate of an MLM product or the cost and energy to acquire a lead.
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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      You aren't considering the conversion rate of a product on Amazon vs. the conversion rate of an MLM product or the cost and energy to acquire a lead.
      Yup something to think about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Trenton
        What do you mean conversion rate?
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    1. if you don't know what conversion rate is you need to read and research a little more before starting your business.
    2. roughly, it's the percentage of people who will buy an iPod for $100 from Amazon vs. the percentage of people that will join your MLM for $100 if they see your website.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trenton
      In this topic it's not about a matter of "joining" the Network Marketing company it's simply a matter of them purchasing product from me which if it's a good product I don't see why the conversion rate would be any different.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

        In this topic it's not about a matter of "joining" the Network Marketing company it's simply a matter of them purchasing product from me which if it's a good product I don't see why the conversion rate would be any different.
        Consider the cost differential between a garage full of affiliate links and a garage full of vitamins, wonder juice or skin goop.

        You may find, like many others, that "just selling that autoship case" isn't as easy as you make it sound. You may be sold on the product, but it's harder to get others just as sold, if you catch my drift.

        Another factor is the multi-level plan. From what I experienced, I'd go out on a limb and say that your upline makes far more in bonuses when you recruit than they do if you sell a box of product. Therefore, they will likely put pressure on you to concentrate on recruiting.

        And even if you do succeed in building a downline, you have to guard against your organization imploding. That usually happens when someone in the organization finds some hot-sounding tool or lead program with its own mlm pay plan. They promote the wonder tool to the organization so they can be the guy on top. Pretty soon, everybody is more interested in recruiting to their own deal and the whole thing falls apart.

        That's if the company itself survives...

        Other than that, your logic is fine...
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      • Profile picture of the author mistyspears
        Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

        In this topic it's not about a matter of "joining" the Network Marketing company it's simply a matter of them purchasing product from me which if it's a good product I don't see why the conversion rate would be any different.
        It will be different. People are very comfortable buying from Amazon and most everyone has bought something from there at some point. You, however, I don't know you. Why would I trust you with my credit card details or to ship my item out on time. Given a choice between Amazon..a well known and trust company...and someone I've never heard of, I will always choose Amazon (speaking as a consumer). I've seen some case studies of this, I'm sure if you google it, you can find them, but they always had higher...MUCH higher conversion rate using well known companies.
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        • Profile picture of the author Trenton
          I don't understand though.. these people saying they get 70% commissions.. How is that even possible? The business you are selling for would not survive?

          Unless they are talking about stuff that is not a physical product..

          I don't get it.. People actually make a living off of selling these "ebooks" That seems like it would be 50x harder than even succeeding in Network Marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
          Originally Posted by mistyspears View Post

          It will be different. People are very comfortable buying from Amazon and most everyone has bought something from there at some point. You, however, I don't know you. Why would I trust you with my credit card details or to ship my item out on time. Given a choice between Amazon..a well known and trust company...and someone I've never heard of, I will always choose Amazon (speaking as a consumer). I've seen some case studies of this, I'm sure if you google it, you can find them, but they always had higher...MUCH higher conversion rate using well known companies.

          That is true but then again, it's about branding the MLM products. Avon did a very good job of branding and providing value while being MLM.

          If someone does choose to go the network marketing route, they should look for a company with a valuable product they can sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Next, someone tells you what a "backend" is...

    Hell, I'll do it intead of being a smartass. You get access to the customer's contact information. You sell other things to them later and keep 100% of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trenton
      Why would you get 100% of that though? 100% commissions mean the business you are advertising for would get nothing. Micah are we talking virtual products or physical products?

      And please i'm not trying to come across as saying one is better over the other. If I was I wouldn't be here right now trying to learn about Affiliate Markeing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    The business you are advertising gets access to a proven customer for life, that's more valuable than the sale of a single product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trenton
      So you would keep getting 100% commissions off of this person? Or just that one time. I mean i'm learning new things all of the time that make Affiliate Marketing more attractive but it's a lot to take in.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
        Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

        So you would keep getting 100% commissions off of this person? Or just that one time. I mean i'm learning new things all of the time that make Affiliate Marketing more attractive but it's a lot to take in.

        With a lot of online network companies, you make a recurring monthly commission off the people you bring in. Usually 100% off the first recruit and the second commission gets pushed to your upline, third to you, fourth up.. This usually goes on for up to 10 people then you get 4 and the 5th goes up and so on..

        Hope that wasn't confusing.. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Trenton
          I know how Network Marking works I'm talking about Affiliate Marketing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Trenton
            I want to know what Micah was talking about "backend"
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            • Profile picture of the author Trenton
              It doesn't but I liked to be informed about things before I just jump into them and waste time or money. I'm pretty sure you did the same thing along with everyone else on here.
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              • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
                Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

                It doesn't but I liked to be informed about things before I just jump into them and waste time or money. I'm pretty sure you did the same thing along with everyone else on here.
                Sure, a lot of people jump into it not knowing much... But I jumped in doing 5 mins of keyword research and have made money on my first site and still am. It's good to know things, but I just google everything I don't know much on. whether it has to do with IM, something I read or something someone just said.

                Google is the answer to most things.. Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Rosmer
    You can't compare network marketing and affiliate marketing and say one is better than the other. Both are different from each other. If you're good at one and bad at the other the one you're better at will be a better choice for you every time. But let's delve quickly into your numbers since you mentioned this 4% commission on a $100 item. You really can't look at an initial one time sale in either one, you need to look at your assets:

    1. It is pretty much guaranteed that if you're going to build a successful MLM business you aren't going to do it off a website, you're going to do it toe to toe, what this means is you're building relationships as opposed to lists, one isn't necessarily better than the other but they are different. As an affiliate you're going to build websites, rankings, ads, and lists. As a networker you're mostly going to build a downline, relationships, reputation, and skills. These are fundamentally different assets you'll use in completely different ways.

    2. In both the affiliate model and the MLM model the commissions will be lower than they might be but as a general rule you can expect higher commissions being an affiliate than a network marketer...at least on the first level. That doesn't mean much though because the products are probably quite different and the profits in an MLM are all made on driving it multiple levels deep, which is a totally different skill, process, and outlook

    3. In the case of an MLM you really need a recurring sale from the company and people buying again and again is what creates the residual income. In the case of being an affiliate you own the list and are free to promote whatever products you want (in an MLM you don't have that option, they want you to stick with the one company and will generally cut you off if you're promoting multiple, I know people who have been earning a cool $15k/mo. and suddenly had it cut down to zero because a photo was taken of them with the promoters from another company)

    4. This brings us to the question of business equity. Contrary to what the MLM people will tell you selling your MLM position is difficult if not impossible, or rather you'll never get a great multiple on it, you just aren't building an asset you own that has much value, so long as you stick with them it can be great but you'll be lucky to get better than a 2 times multiple on your income if you sell if you can even get that. By contrast, build a great affiliate marketing business and you could get a 5+ times multiple depending on how you structure it so you're building more real and sustainable equity


    The two simply aren't comparable, I tend to avoid both personally, and have a personal policy never to be involved in MLMs (went through the stage of entertaining them and have decided it's not the path I want to take) because I don't own the asset, it's not the behaviors I enjoy, and it doesn't typically surround me with the types of people I most enjoy, but that's personal preference. I have some very successful friends who are MLM types and it's worked really well for them...same is true of affiliate marketing. The key is learn to do what you do exceptionally well and stick with it but if I were you I'd make the decision based on what types of activities you enjoy, if you want to be on the internet all the time not interacting with people so much be an affiliate. If you want to be out interacting with people all the time go for MLM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Friedmett
    With MLM you have products and the opportunity.

    The question is how to market it compared to affiliate products and how much work that is.

    Now as has been well pointed out here MLM has its problems and that is most people has it wrong when they try to do marketing as the MLM has not any good marketing advice for its reps. That is why you are there! You market and get according to the comp plan.

    If you get 100 people interested only 2-3 might be good for the opportunity and if you do not have any value or selling you, your team or your marketing system then good luck as you do not own squad. People join people not opportunities as such. You should position you on the front end, monetize and educate the 98% while having your opportunity on the backend. With the change of position you now own YOU and that is your independed nervecenter/website people go to. Big difference.

    As for products advertize those where your target market are.

    Is it more simple? Well if you set it up the proper way it is and the payoff is wastly different if you care to take the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leonhart
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    It's good that you decided to go with Network Marketing. Believe in yourself, do what you think will work for you, if it doesn't try again, it will become success in the end believe me!

    People may, or may not agree that Network Marketing is better than traditional Affiliate Marketing or vice versa.

    It's their experience, though it doesn't have to be yours.

    Reading through all those replies will only make you confused, if you think Network Marketing is better stop reading about it, just go ahead and TRY IT!

    In the beginning I was reading about CPA, Affiliate Marketing, Network Marketing all that stuff, and in the end I was never able to take action and make money. Why? Because I often over-complicated things.

    Choose one thing, test, test, test and test some more. It's the only way to know whether it will work for you or not.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author BambiFox
      Originally Posted by Leonhart View Post

      It's good that you decided to go with Network Marketing. Believe in yourself, do what you think will work for you, if it doesn't try again, it will become success in the end believe me!

      Choose one thing, test, test, test and test some more. It's the only way to know whether it will work for you or not.
      You're young. That's an asset. You have plenty of time to try things and survive negative consequences.

      Work very hard in your decision to do Network marketing. After you've spent 3 months working every spare minute on it, encouraging every downline prospect and answering every email minutes after it's sent; and you are getting great success -- celebrate -- and go at it even smarter for the next 3....

      But if things just aren't what your Network promoters say they are, remember the experience forever.

      Some of us have done that.

      Bambi
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by BambiFox View Post

        You're young. That's an asset. You have plenty of time to try things and survive negative consequences.

        Work very hard in your decision to do Network marketing. After you've spent 3 months working every spare minute on it, encouraging every downline prospect and answering every email minutes after it's sent; and you are getting great success -- celebrate -- and go at it even smarter for the next 3....

        But if things just aren't what your Network promoters say they are, remember the experience forever.

        Some of us have done that.

        Bambi

        If 3 months is all you're willing to commit to don't even start.

        And all those things mentioned by BambiFox... don't do any of them... that's
        not the path to success in network marketing. If you follow that plan you will
        surely give up in frustration and wonder why you earned nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Friedmett
    After years of research I come to this conclusion:

    IM = affiliate products for commisions usually low and takes many sales. No relationships being taking place. Harder to advertize in general due to rules and policies online and you do not have say in the matter.

    MLM or the direct sales industry = Bad marketing skills has turned that niche into problems and bad rap with call cold calling, flyers and meetings etc.

    To be succesfull you will need to think differently about how you position yourself but the marketing would be friendly to the way you want to do it and besides you now own something. Your lead list and the relationship. The opportunity can close down any second but you will still be there.

    Attraction marketing has arrived long ago and it is time for people to build something that will last for the long term.

    All you need is the following things regardless of the niche.

    1: Theme for website
    2: Website for the theme
    3: Targetted traffic to point 2

    Now what would be the most valuable to spend your time to accomplish your income goals? 20$ affiliate products? When the work is nearly the same?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    even I decided to join a GOOD network marketing company (and by good I mean people would buy the product without even knowing about the business) and not even use the multiple levels I could still make a similar commission to affiliate marketing from what I've seen.
    That's because what you've seen isn't representative of anything very realistic and is therefore seriously misleading you.

    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    For example let's say I'm using a website to promote Ipods on amazon that are 100.00 each and I get a 4% commission I am making around 4.00 an Ipod. This would be Affiliate Marketing.
    I've already explained to you, at some length and in some detail, the many places in which you're mistaken about that, so I can't really add anything to what I said yesterday when you made the same deeply mistaken observation.

    Don't get me wrong: I'm pro-MLM, not anti-MLM. I used to be in MLM, myself, in a good company, and I made money from it. But your conclusions here are deeply misguided ones, in my opinion, because the premises from which you're drawing them are themselves mostly mistaken.

    Here's a question you're apparently completely ignoring: what proportion of people joining an MLM company with the intention of making a living from it actually make a living from it? (I know it's not a provable figure, but my overall guess is about one in ten thousand. We can debate it, if you want to). And what proportion of people starting an affiliate marketing business with the intention of making a living from it actually make a living from it? (Again, it's not provable, but we can talk about it, if you want to. My guess is about one person in 100, possibly one in 200.) If I'm anywhere near right, that might perhaps indicate that the average person wanting to do one of those things for a living has a 50-100 times greater chance of succeeding in affiliate marketing than in network marketing. Those are some huge odds! You're ignoring that, or not acknowledging it, or something. Maybe you hadn't thought about it at all (though it isn't actually the first time it's been pointed out to you). Maybe you don't even agree with it (in which case probably we can't really discuss it very productively, but I think you'd be terribly misguided to imagine that, because I'm actually understating the discrepancy, if anything).

    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    I feel like i'm missing something about Affiliate Marketing.. I just don't understand
    Yes, indeed. You don't.

    But (as previously observed) that's because you have some familiarity and experience with network marketing and none with affiliate marketing. Posting questions about it in a forum and reading people's answers to them (some of which, in some of your threads here, have frankly been ill-informed themselves anyway) isn't "experience".

    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    Please not that I am not in any way shape or form bashing Affiliate Marketing.
    No - you don't come across that way at all. But you do (with no disrespect!) naturally enough come across as someone who barely knows the first thing about it but is still trying to draw comparisons, from mistaken premises, between it and something else that you do know something about. And the reason you do come across that way is that that is exactly what you're doing.

    Originally Posted by Trenton View Post

    I just understand the very basics behind it.
    No criticism implied, but I don't think you do at all. I think you just imagine you do. And the fact that in this thread you've simply re-stated some of the same entirely mistaken premises which were actually explained to you in some detail just over 12 hours ago rather illustrates that, I think.

    I wish you very good luck, whatever you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Bottom line...

    If one off commissions are your goal there are 1,000 ways
    to earn more money than MLM.

    BUT...

    If building long term residual income that can support you for life
    is your goal there is no better vehicle than MLM... PERIOD.

    Affiliate marketing = linear income... if you don't work you don't get paid.

    MLM = leveraged residual income... the ability to work yourself out of a job
    and still get paid.

    If the recruiting aspect doesn't interest you don't waste your time with MLM
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Affiliate marketing = linear income... if you don't work you don't get paid.
      You know that I have the greatest respect for your posts here, and would happily refer anyone who wants to know anything about MLM to you, Terry, but this really isn't necessarily quite right: I have individual articles which I wrote and had extensively published years ago which continue to make me significant and growing monthly income today. Those articles are also available in depositories of available content for people to re-publish them in future, and some people still do, and that can lead to further, new, recurring income as a result of things other people I don't even know have done, just as can happen in MLM.

      There's plenty of residual income available in affiliate marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Bottom line...
      Affiliate marketing = linear income... if you don't work you don't get paid.
      So, I must be imagining all those recurring affiliate commissions
      I get from membership sites, hosting, autoresponders and more?

      John
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    OK... OK... I stand corrected! LOL

    In my defense I did say LEVERAGED residual income... LOL

    I'll still take it through multiple levels over my own efforts any day!
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      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      In my defense I did say LEVERAGED residual income... LOL
      Oooh, well ... fair enough, I suppose. :p
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