This deserves a ban !

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Hi

Some idiot just bought a WSO that I promote and 30 mins later filed a paypal dispute stating that they purchased the OTO and couldn't access it so opened a dispute because this was unprofessional n his words !

He probably had no intention of paying in first place as transaction has now been reversed within 30 mins of buying ! It's a good WSO and would take a lot longer to even read the course and videos !

Guys like this should be banned from the WSO Pro system as they are either really stupid or most likely just buying stuff and reversing payment.

The ironic thing is in the past month I have bought unique websites from other warriors who have attempted to rip me off by sending PLR websites but I gave them time to resolve the matter and eventually came to a solution without involving paypal.

I would never think of contacting paypal before trying to resolve matters with a seller. Buyers like this should be put on a blacklist so they can't purchase other products from warriors and put their paypal account at risk .

Thoughts ?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Campbell
    Kevin - infuriating as it is, just let it go. For the amount of money involved it is not worth getting in a stew about it. Don't let this rogue steal your peace of mind. Onwards and upwards, and remember that he or she will reap their reward in due course.

    Still - banning consistent trouble makers - following a warning email - does have some attractions I must admit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennisknows
      Best advise ever...

      Originally Posted by John Campbell View Post

      Kevin - infuriating as it is, just let it go. For the amount of money involved it is not worth getting in a stew about it. Don't let this rogue steal your peace of mind. Onwards and upwards, and remember that he or she will reap their reward in due course.

      Still - banning consistent trouble makers - following a warning email - does have some attractions I must admit.
      I remember I came across one of my friend's products on a blackhat site. I told him and he was so nonchalant‎. He makes 5 figures a month and was basically like "if they found out how to get it for free, cheers to them"...

      I know it's frustrating but you can't let this type of stuff get to you. It's a part of the business.

      Chances are, this person can get all the information in the world but if he still has that "scary" mentality, none of that information will do him any good.

      All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    Cheers John, I agree but I seriously do think these types of buyers should be banned from using the system as it takes up time more than anything else.

    Anybody who opens a paypal dispute within 30 mins of buying is dodgy !
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
    I agree with you entirely Kevin. It's not the money that is the problem.

    It's the relationship with the you, as the seller, and paypal that is damaged in the process.

    There should be a minimum requirement in place, such as contacting the seller directly at least once to resolve the issue at hand, before contacting the payment processing company. That way it would be more fair for the seller. But then again, this is the internet marketing world and there are many people like that out there. Sometimes we can't do anything about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    I had exactly the same thing happen with Clickbank a couple of years ago.
    Someone claimed she could not access the product when CBank had sent the link to her.
    I then sent it to her several times via email and she still went ahead with her dispute.
    In the end CBank went ahead and refunded to protect me from a chargeback it seemed.
    I'd let it go if I were you....chances are the person won't ever use it anyway and is just a chancer.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    There are just people out there who try and do stuff like that, you can combat it by being more selective about your customers, and who is selling your product and where. You can also make a better "Terms Of Service" agreement, to make everything clear, this will help you and PayPal or whoever you use to better understand the process and terms.

    I have had people purchase my WSO and file a dispute 2 days later, thinking we would start doing their service and then terminate it prematurely and they would get some sort of work out of it for free. In those cases, we let them know that there was no possible way they read our WSO, because it clearly states the service takes at-least 2 weeks to complete. We simply tell them there is no way they are getting the refund, and we still actually do their work, and send it to them whether they like it or not.

    If you do a lot of business on PayPal, PayPal will start to have your back in situations like that. You will also get people who jump the gun, and purchase something, then try and contact you (usually when your sleeping) and if they don't get a response almost immediately, they start blowing up your WSO, filing disputes and ranting negative things about you until you respond to them, where at that point you already know whats really going on. If you do awesome work 100 times, and someone starts saying you're a scam, or things don't work, it's usually pretty obvious that you just got that "lucky customer" who will try everything and say anything to get something for free.

    Lay out the process for them so it's really easy to read it, and know so they know what's going to happen after purchase. This will save you time and money in the long run.

    Just be glad you have the skills and opportunity to sell stuff online, if you had a store front, you could just straight up get robbed LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
    This being all said guys. You guys reckon a "No Refund Policy" can affect the reputation of the seller or the profits.

    1. You don't have to deal with refunds or headache as long as it's a quality content
    2. You will definitely get less buyers but at least you know they are serious and would probably leave good comments to help you out if they are satisfied.
    3. You can get rid of those thieves who already decided to refund before buying.

    I haven't actually sold any product myself but this is just my 2cent
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It could have been any payment system ... W+, Zoo, Clickbank, DLGuard. Makes no difference. Serial refunders are serial refunders and they're not going away any time soon. Part of doing business on the Net.

    But I don't know if they already have it, but I think those platforms should have a way to ban users from purchasing your products in the future. DLGuard has that feature, so I don't have serial refunders. Once and that's it for them with me.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesBorg
      Given how fast WSOs get pirated, I'd expect some of the initial buyers to behave in that manner (assuming they want their money back, which is likely, and assuming they don't have inside contacts at the networks).

      JVZoo has a nifty three-level blacklist system: personal, peer, and global. It's not a panacea, but it could probably help a little with serial refunders and tire-kickers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bish
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      It could have been any payment system ... W+, Zoo, Clickbank, DLGuard. Makes no difference. Serial refunders are serial refunders and they're not going away any time soon. Part of doing business on the Net.

      But I don't know if they already have it, but I think those platforms should have a way to ban users from purchasing your products in the future. DLGuard has that feature, so I don't have serial refunders. Once and that's it for them with me.
      You can ban buyers in JVzoo from purchasing from you in the future; I've banned a few. I haven't looked into it on CB as none of my CB products are related to MMO/IM so refunds rarely rise above 5%
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Bish View Post

        You can ban buyers in JVzoo from purchasing from you in the future; I've banned a few. I haven't looked into it on CB as none of my CB products are related to MMO/IM so refunds rarely rise above 5%
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        JVzoo have a system where you can blacklist folks, not sure about the others

        Kim
        Yeah, I think I was aware of that. I don't use either W+ or Zoo any longer. Too many dishonest affiliates that use stolen credit cards. Lost a good amount of money in chargebacks from crooked JVZoo affiliates. Went back to using DLGuard.
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        • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
          Kevin, I hear ya - and yes, it sucks. However, not much we, as vendors, can really do about it. I have had people purchase a 5- FIVE guide package from me - and 20 minutes later I get a refund request.

          Nope, not enough time to even read through the training let alone DO it...but....well, it is what it is.

          Just refund and move on (and yes, it's plenty ok to make a note of that name).

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        • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
          Yeah I lost a lot of money last year on JVzoo because of the same problem. Pleased I'm not the only one lol

          I still like it though I'm ultra careful now when accepting affiliates. Too careful probably.

          Kim

          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Yeah, I think I was aware of that. I don't use either W+ or Zoo any longer. Too many dishonest affiliates that use stolen credit cards. Lost a good amount of money in chargebacks from crooked JVZoo affiliates. Went back to using DLGuard.
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          • Profile picture of the author Denise Hall
            Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

            Yeah I lost a lot of money last year on JVzoo because of the same problem. Pleased I'm not the only one lol

            I still like it though I'm ultra careful now when accepting affiliates. Too careful probably.

            Kim
            I'm super careful at JV Zoo, too. I make them tell me how they'll promote. If they don't tell me, then I deny them. Otherwise, I approve them for delayed payments.

            I haven't had any problems whatsoever. I think when they see that they're not getting instant payments, they don't bother to sell my product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      JVzoo have a system where you can blacklist folks, not sure about the others

      Kim

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      It could have been any payment system ... W+, Zoo, Clickbank, DLGuard. Makes no difference. Serial refunders are serial refunders and they're not going away any time soon. Part of doing business on the Net.

      But I don't know if they already have it, but I think those platforms should have a way to ban users from purchasing your products in the future. DLGuard has that feature, so I don't have serial refunders. Once and that's it for them with me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    So this rat pulled one over on you.That's the nature of business. Once in a while you'll get a customer who gets away something that simply irks you to high heaven.

    No one likes to feel as if they have been cheated, but you've done what you can do. My advice; take it on the chin and move on.

    "As long as this guy is in your head, he owns you."

    Thankfully I learned that bit of knowledge at a young age and it has served me well through the years. Take charge and let it go... move on to something productive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darrin Bentley
      Originally Posted by Winlin View Post

      "As long as this guy is in your head, he owns you."
      My brother used to say, "Nobody's gonna live in my head rent free"!

      Honestly, let it go. I TRULY believe it is a good WSO because if it wasn't, you wouldn't have even thought to post about this incident. Always do everything from a good place and remember that karma is REAL. Just always do your best and you'll be fine. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Denise Hall
    Yep, it's really annoying and frustrating when customers don't even contact the vendor first to try and get the problem resolved.

    I always send them a note apologizing that they didn't get their download and letting them know that I'll be happy to send them the download link if they close the dispute. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I guess it depends on if the person's intention was to rip me off or not.

    But don't dwell on it. It's really not worth the headache.
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
    I totally understand where you are coming from, but just as an aside.. have you considered that maybe the purchaser is a little short on brainpower?
    I had a guy who bought one of my WSOs who continuously kept sending me angry emails that one of the bonuses wasn't in the download package. I told him over and over again that I had checked it out and that he needed to look in folder"X". He kept getting angrier and angrier.
    Eventually, I actually had to record a screen capture video of me opening the folder to show him what was right in front of his face. After I sent the video to him he stopped emailing. Personally I think I was due an apology for the angry emails, but hey - like others have said here, don't let it get in your head.
    Your particular guy may just be dumb as f***.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    How the heck can PayPal side with the buyer for the reason of not being able to access product! every so often I may have a problem with a WSO or website purchase, filing a dispute should only be used as a last resort.

    Actually, most of the time, in my case, it was my fault anyway..

    I agree that members who file PayPal disputes within a too short a time, and without contacting Seller first should be warned, then banned if behaviour persists
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Mikaedi88 View Post

      How the heck can PayPal side with the buyer for the reason of not being able to access product!
      Paypal will rarely, if ever, side with the buyer on a digital item purchase. Intangible items are not covered by Paypal's buyer protections.

      The issue is simply the fact that a dispute was opened. It can raise red flags about the seller to Paypal if there are too many disputes opened. This is why sellers get irritated.

      My personal policy is to permanently blacklist anyone who opens a dispute with Paypal for ANY reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    You're better off than the brick & mortar seller who has to deal with scam artists, I once worked in a store where a guy would buy stuff, take it out to his car and come back in grab another off the shelf and go with the receipt and get a refund.

    At least you're not out cold hard product.
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