Question for MLM/Network Marketers. (Both current and former)

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I have a quick question for MLM/Network Marketers, when you got into Network Marketing; was it an online or offline product?

If you don't mind sharing, which product? (Just don't try to recruit anyone.. lol)

I just got into Network Marketing and am still on my free trial, deciding whether to stay the online route (PLS) or go the offline route instead with Seacret.


EDIT:
And for the Network Marketing haters out there, I've seen your opinions.. Made mine and don't need anyone to tell me it's not what I want to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

    Question for MLM/Network Marketers. (Both current and former)
    I'm a "former" one, not a "current" one.

    I'm "pro-MLM" and I wish you well with it.

    Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

    when you got into Network Marketing; was it an online or offline product?
    Offline.

    Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

    If you don't mind sharing, which product?
    I was a distributor of one of the world's biggest (possibly the biggest) MLM companies, which has been established for decades and has a range of health/nutrition products based on aloe vera - of which the company owns and controls more than 75% of the worldwide supply, thus enabling them to compete very favourably on both price and quality with "shop-bought products". (And that's essential, in MLM - for obvious reasons, it's never going to work in the long run if the products are more expensive than equivalents which people can buy in a shop!).

    To stay the course, and be successful, an MLM company needs to derive most of its income from retail sales to retail customers.

    What's changed, over the last 6 years since I did this, is that that's now important in law, as well as just in commercial reality. In Northern America and in Europe, anyway, and increasingly in other countries, too, retail sales to people who aren't distributors/affiliates or otherwise involved in the business opportunity, are needed just to stay on the right side of the law. Anything else is eventually going to attract adverse attention from regulators and eventually from courts.

    "Online MLM" isn't for me. It's easy to sponsor people online, but they're typically "jumpers" who join successions of different companies, and the proportion of them who will still be there two years later, building your business for you by building theirs for themselves, will be almost infinitessimally small. The easier it is for you to sponsor them, the easier it is for ten other people, after you, also to sponsor them into "the latest thing". So you can sign them up, but you can't retain them. Usually. ("Easily sponsored distributors are equally easily lured away behind your back", as the saying goes.)

    Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

    I just got into Network Marketing and am still on my free trial, deciding whether to stay the online route (PLS) or go the offline route instead with Seacret.
    For me, neither would come anywhere close to satisfying my minimum acceptance criteria for even considering the opportunity; but I wish you well, whatever you decide.

    Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

    And for the Network Marketing haters out there, I've seen your opinions.. Made mine and don't need anyone to tell me it's not what I want to do.
    Good luck with that ... but I suspect you won't keep them out of the thread. Their ill-informed prejudices are too important to them for them to be willing to be silenced. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author IMDESTROYER
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      I would highly suggest you convert to online MLM stuff. Offline requires direct sales, unless your into that. It is important that you study sales and personal professional devleopment. This is what offline MLM doesnt teach you. I dont feel like writing allot here but trust me, wheether you like it or not you will have to study to become successfull. I sugges that you get into something online first.


      A master network markter once told me his secret and that is. Get involved with an opportunity with very low cost to start up, build a list on that, build your trust with them, make your list money and then slowly emerge them into different mlm opportunities.

      This guy was making like 300G a month but he started small and it took him 3 years. He is in the military too as an airforce pilot. I asked him why he is in the military if he makes so much money (i already knew why) he said because he likes flying and using fighter planes. The perfect example of getting rich to do what you love.

      Its all about strategy and your marketing plan, start small and slowly scale it big Im working on a campaign right now that enforces this idea. Theoretically its ingenious but im still writing the material out. I understand what it is like to be involved in network marketing. Taking his advice, i would suggest building a list around that market, offer some content to help them and converting them. Suggestive selling????
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      • Profile picture of the author Hartmann
        Must have missed that scene in Top Gun...maybe it's in the boxed DVD deleted scenes... Maverick jumps out of his Tomcat after bagging a couple of bogeys and signs up Brent the engine fitter and Dudley the avionics geek to receive plastic containers for their packed lunches and sell on to other fellas in the workshop. Iceman scowls behind his ray bans as Maverick gets the better of him once again.

        Fair play to him though, flying fast jets as a job must be brilliant...

        Originally Posted by IMDESTROYER View Post

        This guy was making like 300G a month but he started small and it took him 3 years. He is in the military too as an airforce pilot. I asked him why he is in the military if he makes so much money (i already knew why) he said because he likes flying and using fighter planes. The perfect example of getting rich to do what you love.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Although few MLM companies is using global ecommerce platform which can be operated globally through online. But....

    Most successful leaders claim that they are build their networks through offline marketing as their main marketing at the beginning. However, they do online marketing also. After their groups formed (e.g: thousands of members), members do online shopping at MLM websites then stuff delivered to their homes.
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  • Profile picture of the author skidog30
    Started MLM offline in 2005 and that is a hard road but can be done. My wife still does her primary MLM offline.

    I'm now in one that is all online and boy is it easier to reach more people in a shorter amount of time.

    Best of luck in your choice,
    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
    Alexa, you seem to be an expert in MLM. What sort of criteria do you look out for when joining a company?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

      Alexa, you seem to be an expert in MLM.
      No, really, not at all. I was in one company once, for less than a year, in my first year at college and never made more than about $800 profit in a month from it (and that not very often - albeit that even that's quite a bit more than most people ever make!) so I have very limited experience indeed.

      Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

      What sort of criteria do you look out for when joining a company?
      For myself, I would want ...

      (i) A very long-established company (preferably at least a decade), well past all the teething problems and potential legal/regulatory hurdles - anything less is seriously stacking the deck against yourself;

      (ii) A high-quality product, or range of products, in genuine retail demand (and without equivalents readily available in shops and/or available at lower prices elsewhere);

      (iii) A very quick opinion from a lawyer with real MLM experience and familiarity, just for them to say "Yes, that one's ok as far as we know";

      (iv) A company whose owners/management haven't previously been involved in the wreckage (on the legal or financial rocks) of earlier MLM companies;

      (v) At least 3 years' sales figures showing steady increases (this information isn't available in all countries: it depends whether public accounts have to be filed, but I'd want to know that the company takes "compliance" very seriously, because that's one of the big things the security of my future income would depend on);

      (vi) A sponsor and upline who have been in the company for at least 3 years and aren't actively involved in any other MLM opportunities (I've nothing against "multiple streams of income" as long as only one of them is an MLM company, otherwise - among other problems - you're exposing yourself to the risk that your future downline can be lured away to other opportunities by your own upline - as the saying goes, "It only happens all the time");

      (vii) A company that gives reasonable-looking, reliable-looking distributor training/courses without appearing to be using those as a substantial component of the company's income (in so far as you can tell - this is a bit subjective, of course);

      (viii) A company that emphasises retailing the product rather than just promoting the business opportunity (without products being sold, in MLM, nobody earns anything at all);

      (ix) A pay-plan that's relatively easy to understand and relatively easy to explain to others (because in a lot of countries, these days, distributors have a legal obligation to do that before sponsoring anyone, and in some countries the newly sponsored distributor even has to sign something stating that that's duly been done and that they understand it clearly: it's often buried in the fine print of the distributorship agreement);

      (x) A company that hasn't had any known/discoverable previous regulatory/legal problems - anywhere;

      (xi) A company that isn't "free to join". Being free to join is very bad news indeed, because if it is, most of the people you sponsor will be those with problems for which setting up and running their own business isn't a reasonable solution - in other words you'll waste most of your buiness-building time, when they're joining only because they're a bit desperate and it's free! A real "joining fee" (as long as no distributors are ever paid anything out of it, needless to say!!), is important and helpful. In the US, the legal limit is $500, I believe, but most are far less. Far less is ok, too. But not "free".

      For what it's worth, there are many good, well-established companies that do meet all those criteria, with room to spare.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    I'm a former network marketer/MLM person, back in the 90s. I was with a company called Market America. They had truly excellent products, and I used many of them for years. For me, back then, I was not quite ready for what was necessary to be successful.

    I'm in agreement with Alexa about her points. I believe the best results are had with offline activities but complemented with online, at this point. From what I've noticed over the years, not that I've paid real close attention, is there's a mindset with online opps to just build the biggest downline. It's a quantity over quality approach that really will not stand the test of time very well.

    Some of the more experienced people in my upline correctly advocated teaching your downline how to work the business. Most people join for all the usual reasons and really don't quite appreciate the work that's required. If they've never done anything in business, then they really do need to learn how to market retail and duplicate the business efforts. It's a lot of hard work and requires total commitment if you want to find success.

    My sponsor is still in it, and he joined in the early 90s. He worked very hard even back then. He took a lot of crap from people but never waivered in his belief in the products and the opportunity. He's doing very well, now. I admire his hard work and efforts over the years.

    I recommend you join a respected company with high quality products that you can sell (retail) and that you believe in, completely. Use the products so you can speak from experience. If you don't use them, then how you can expect to be able to convincingly and sincerely recommend them to others?

    Then, take advantage of what can be done online. Develop a solid reputation as someone who really cares about those you bring into the business. Help them be successful and your efforts will reward you. It's more about quality over quantity.

    And good luck.

    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I'm proud to represent a company called Send Out Cards.

    DO NOT get lured into the fantasy that you can build a long term
    sustainable income 100% online. Online is ok for generating interest
    but you need to be taking the conversation offline immediately.

    This profession relies on two things... personal relationships and duplication.

    You will never build a long term sustainable income 100% online because it
    is impossible to duplicate the skills that are required for success throughout
    a large organization.

    As for criteria I agree with about 90% of what Alexa wrote so no
    need to rehash that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
    Alright, I think I'm gonna go with Seacret. It's a product that I can use and I've seen the quality first hand.

    And I think it would be better to get more sponsors with a genuine product that is high quailty.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horacioplus
    I remember my mom was promoting a offline product making $1000 month. But after few months she lost all the money because she couldn't take care of her team members. It happens when they dont get the right training and leaders.
    I started as an IM for many months just buying products and all that crap. Then i studied famous millionaires. Most of them talk about Network marketing, so i decided to try MLM. Even though people talk crap about mlm companies. Yeah, i found the right person to help me with my business.
    This made a different when it comes to recruit people. Don't sell the them product, sell them a vision. The product mans nothing.....Those who jut interested in the product, they will only use the product but usually wont take the opportunity.

    Another thing is to brand yourself and not the company. People will join you and not the company. They will see you as a leader and not someone selling a product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
      Originally Posted by Horacioplus View Post

      I remember my mom was promoting a offline product making $1000 month. But after few months she lost all the money because she couldn't take care of her team members. It happens when they dont get the right training and leaders.
      I started as an IM for many months just buying products and all that crap. Then i studied famous millionaires. Most of them talk about Network marketing, so i decided to try MLM. Even though people talk crap about mlm companies. Yeah, i found the right person to help me with my business.
      This made a different when it comes to recruit people. Don't sell the them product, sell them a vision. The product mans nothing.....Those who jut interested in the product, they will only use the product but usually wont take the opportunity.

      Another thing is to brand yourself and not the company. People will join you and not the company. They will see you as a leader and not someone selling a product.
      Yeah, I know. I've just finished with The 45 Second Presentation and it's a wonderful book. The book and the tools they give you will help me to build my network.

      I found a rep's page from Seacret and I hope they are very supportive but if not, I will still succeed without them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by Seemore25101 View Post

        Yeah, I know. I've just finished with The 45 Second Presentation and it's a wonderful book. The book and the tools they give you will help me to build my network.

        I found a rep's page from Seacret and I hope they are very supportive but if not, I will still succeed without them.
        If you haven't already signed up I highly suggest you find more than one
        current rep and talk to all of them. Yes, you can succeed with or without
        a strong sponsor but it helps if the team (sponsor and upline) has some sort
        system in place for training and support aside from what the company offers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

          If you haven't already signed up I highly suggest you find more than one
          current rep and talk to all of them. Yes, you can succeed with or without
          a strong sponsor but it helps if the team (sponsor and upline) has some sort
          system in place for training and support aside from what the company offers.
          Hey, yes I actually did go the route of finding someone else and found someone who is great! Thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bewley
      Originally Posted by Horacioplus View Post

      Yeah, i found the right person to help me with my business.
      This made a different when it comes to recruit people. Don't sell the them product, sell them a vision. The product mans nothing.....Those who jut interested in the product, they will only use the product but usually wont take the opportunity.
      Wow. I can't believe you wrote that!

      So, sod the product, concentrate on the recruitment?

      Did you actually read Alexa's post? Specifically parts (ii) and (viii)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
      Originally Posted by Horacioplus View Post

      I remember my mom was promoting a offline product making $1000 month. But after few months she lost all the money because she couldn't take care of her team members. It happens when they dont get the right training and leaders.
      I started as an IM for many months just buying products and all that crap. Then i studied famous millionaires. Most of them talk about Network marketing, so i decided to try MLM. Even though people talk crap about mlm companies. Yeah, i found the right person to help me with my business.
      This made a different when it comes to recruit people. Don't sell the them product, sell them a vision. The product mans nothing.....Those who jut interested in the product, they will only use the product but usually wont take the opportunity.

      Another thing is to brand yourself and not the company. People will join you and not the company. They will see you as a leader and not someone selling a product.
      I understand your points. But the product means a lot in my opinion. I although do understand that the only real way to make money from MLM is from building your network, you can't survive in MLM by just selling the product. So I'll be building my network first and allowing the products to sell themselves to those who aren't interested in the business opportunity but the product itself.

      It works anyways, Seacret requires you to have 4 Preferred Customers to meet bonuses which makes sense as laws do indicate MLM companies need a certain percentage of customers. Not everyone can be in for just the opportunity.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlamae
    My primary is Auto Recruiting Platform. I'm in the founding phase 1 beta group and I will never look back! This is all online and of course it's the groundbreaking sms model, so we use mobile optins as well.
    Thank you for asking!
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  • Profile picture of the author technogeek777
    From personal experience I believe that the kind of product your marketing is very
    important. I recently joined my second mlm company. I had some success with my first
    company but long term success was difficult because the product did not fit my personality.

    The product needs to be able to provide value by solving a problem that people have. Otherwise, people will join and then quit a view months later. I'm very happy with my second mlm company because its something I would promote even if it didn't have a monetary incentive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Seemore25101
      Originally Posted by technogeek777 View Post

      From personal experience I believe that the kind of product your marketing is very
      important. I recently joined my second mlm company. I had some success with my first
      company but long term success was difficult because the product did not fit my personality.

      The product needs to be able to provide value by solving a problem that people have. Otherwise, people will join and then quit a view months later. I'm very happy with my second mlm company because its something I would promote even if it didn't have a monetary incentive.

      That's great! Which company did you join? Is it online or offline?
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  • Profile picture of the author scottsavoy
    Hello,
    The very first one I got into was an MLM company promoting vitamins. I have found that I enjoy network marketing far better as I don't have to rely on any one specific company. There are pluses and minuses to any business venture that you undertake. The freedom of working for yourself as a network marketer promoting either your own product or someone else's is much more appealing to me rather than trying to fit in to all the rules of an MLM company. Most MLM company's also do not want you to promote anything else but there product or services.
    Hope my input was helpful.
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