Any Creative Ways To Promote Your WSO in The Main Forum?

[jjpmarketing]

I have noticed recently a warrior with a very good product blatantly promoting their product as response to a thread. It may be relevant, but it rather turns me off about the warrior in particular.

Ex: User posts thread about problem with widget. This warrior posts response with some lead in that eventually states, my product is the solution to your problem.

One post like this, I would ignore... but I have seen repeated posts like this. This is why I find it annoying.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Most of my posts are actually more "mindset" than anything else, which is
why at the old forum with the mods so many of my posts ended up in Mind
Warriors.

Then why not post in the correct forum then?

[John Ritz]

The most discreet way is to post an image that has an "NLP-Mass Control-Hypnosis-Thingy" (note the scientific terminology) imbedded/hidden in it somewhere, kind of like a watermark, that commands you to go to EatMoreBeefJerky.com (or your website of choice).

For example:

(Courtesy of my friend, Mr. Subtle!)

[TimG]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

But this poses a problem for some.

For instance, I am an expert in a specific field. That is what I know, that is what I do and that is what I can help people with.

Unfortunately, that's the topic of the threads I start and that's the topic of the threads I participate in.

In line with Steven's reasoning (helping people), I also do this because I can't really help with much else, short of polls and other little threads that I can randomly chime in on. Like this one.

The problem is that this could be misconstrued as me trying to monopolize the forum in this particular niche and blatantly advertise my products and services.

That's not why I am participating in the Main Forum...and this is the reason Jeremy quit. Some folks think I am trying to sell sell sell when in fact I am trying to help people and offer my opinions and suggestions, just like Steven said above.

Never have I mentioned my WSOs or my sig file, NEVER...but that didn't matter to some people.

How do you get around that? I could post on other things as well, but I don't want to because I don't know much about them and I don't want to give information on what I am not an expert in.

What's a guy to do?

Respectfully,
Allen Graves

Allen,
I'm also in that bit of a pickle because quite frankly the subject you are referring to is something I've also become rather experienced in over the last several years - hence I always try and provide some form of an answer in posts that cover that topic. There are a few other areas I could also post in but I tend to stay focused on my bread and butter.

On the other hand, I could always chime in on any adwords related postings but unless anyone is interested in learning how to get banned from adwords I doubt my advice would go very far - - any takers...Bueller, Bueller...

Respectfully,
Tim

[Kevin Riley]

I always find it a bit strange that we get all bent out of shape when members market in a marketing forum.

My ex used to get all upset because I would pop by church in time for coffee, and soon be handing out a business card or two for my renovation business. None of the people I gave cards to were upset, because I was providing a valuable service. "Oh, you want to add on a piano room. Why don't I drop by, take a look, and give you an estimate."

Those coffee times were just like an online forum. Sometimes you merely shoot the breeze and catch up on local gossip, other times you pick up some business. Seems to me, the old Roman forums were the same.

[milan]

My suggestion would be:
start a browser wars thread it will stay there forever

[VegasVince]

A true Warrior with a credible reputation and body of work...doesn't need creative ways to promote his or her WSO...unless they have NOT established a credible reputation or body of work.

I know this for sure...because the real WSO players.....have both. Period. That's something these newbies jumpin in with ****ty products/wso...never understand. And they scratch their heads...when **** don't sell.

Because no matter how many WSO's get pumped out daily....no matter how they set up the bumping system and the rest of it.....quality cream will always rise to the top. Quality Warriors....will rise to the top...because their products reflect themselves.

When I finally put the finishing touches on my first...and most likely only WSO.....all I plan to do is announce it....probably several weeks ahead of time...after I hand out some freebies to a few peeps that actually "like Vinnie" here.

In total confidence....I'll let nature take it's course after that.

I wont give a ****...about all the other WSO offers that will be buried above and below mine............I won't give a **** about the competition...cuz my WSO is competition free...which by the way...is always a good premise to start from.

I know for sure my WSO....is going to sell...well. Why???

Because it's gonna contain my heart and soul which is more then most WSO's do....it's gonna contain real solutions that people can use to make money....communicated as only Vegas Vince can. It's going to be a WSO that I can honestly tell myself....I gave these people my best...got nothin left to give.

It's gonna over deliver....not ask for an upsell.

Cuz it's gonna deliver exactly what I say it will...and that's how you make BIG money with WSO's.....you deliver something original..that knocks them on their asses...does what it says.....and get the troops....aka...your buyers..to promote for you.....gladly promote for you.

And mine will!

Believe it.

I don't need to be creative. Just good. And original. Stuff legends are made of.



xxx Vegas Vince

[jhongren]

Hi Vegas Vince,

Good quality WSOs or any other products will definitely outshine those lower quality ones.

When it delivers the results as it promised, buyers are going to tell their friends, who in turn will tell their own friends.

Traffic to the WSO is going to be purely organic growth.

Let the satisfied buyers promote for you instead. =)

Cheers,
John

[David_Thompson]

I have seen well establish WSO sellers polluting
the main forum with crap threads just to get
their **** seen.

I know this is the practice and it is been thought
because of an ebook on doing WSO's, but it sucks
to see the crap other members are posting to get
their WSO seen...

Offer good solid content relating to your WSO is
a damm good way to your stuff over to other
members, and not any old crap like ...oh here is
a picture of my dog...lol

--David

[VinceNouvel]

Yeah I seen some crappy answer like.. Check my sig... U will find your answer there...
What a B.S and boring way.. Somebody please comes up with something!!

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Then why not post in the correct forum then?

Good point Les. I probably should. Guess I'm too lazy to go over there LOL.

That's another problem with forums. Members have their favorite places to
hang out and some places with great info never get checked out.

Maybe if we had some kind of incentive system for posting in other parts of
the forum. Like for every 10 posts you make at Mind Warriors or somewhere
else besides the main forum and off topic, you get something. Heck if I know
what, but it's just a thought.

So Les, how's it going these days? Any progress with some of that stuff I
sent you?

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by VegasVince

A true Warrior with a credible reputation and body of work...doesn't need creative ways to promote his or her WSO...unless they have NOT established a credible reputation or body of work.

I know this for sure...because the real WSO players.....have both. Period. That's something these newbies jumpin in with ****ty products/wso...never understand. And they scratch their heads...when **** don't sell.

Because no matter how many WSO's get pumped out daily....no matter how they set up the bumping system and the rest of it.....quality cream will always rise to the top. Quality Warriors....will rise to the top...because their products reflect themselves.

When I finally put the finishing touches on my first...and most likely only WSO.....all I plan to do is announce it....probably several weeks ahead of time...after I hand out some freebies to a few peeps that actually "like Vinnie" here.

In total confidence....I'll let nature take it's course after that.

I wont give a ****...about all the other WSO offers that will be buried above and below mine............I won't give a **** about the competition...cuz my WSO is competition free...which by the way...is always a good premise to start from.

I know for sure my WSO....is going to sell...well. Why???

Because it's gonna contain my heart and soul which is more then most WSO's do....it's gonna contain real solutions that people can use to make money....communicated as only Vegas Vince can. It's going to be a WSO that I can honestly tell myself....I gave these people my best...got nothin left to give.

It's gonna over deliver....not ask for an upsell.

Cuz it's gonna deliver exactly what I say it will...and that's how you make BIG money with WSO's.....you deliver something original..that knocks them on their asses...does what it says.....and get the troops....aka...your buyers..to promote for you.....gladly promote for you.

And mine will!

Believe it.

I don't need to be creative. Just good. And original. Stuff legends are made of.



xxx Vegas Vince

Vince, I will be the first one to buy that WSO. I know beyond any doubt
that whatever you're doing to make a buck has to kick the doors off of
most of the crap out there.

Can't wait my friend.

[Allen Graves]

Bev,

From your original reply to me last night, I'm sure you can plainly see exactly what I was talking about.

Yes, I've mentioned that website (a very few times out of thousands of posts), but it was in perfect context. Had I mentioned another website would that have been OK (or smart?) I don't give the URL and I don't even link to it in my sig.

And yes, Jeremy posted that he likes it...but guess what, he DOES! Is he not allowed to voice his opinion and am I not allowed to thank him for his kudos? Why must a conclusion be jumped to that we are in cahoots?

There are hundreds of posts every day here about EZA, GoArticles, ArtticleDashboard and how peoplpe like or don't like them. What's the dang difference? Just because their owners are not here to contribute? Some would think I should be thanked for my unique insight instead of chastised for it.

Just because that is my field and that is what I talk about here doesn't mean I'm out to scam everybody. But obviously that is what some people believe.

I have posted in THOUSANDS of threads here and gotten hundreds of thank you PMs. Those people see and know that I am here to help. I have never asked a single one of them for anything in return except that they "pay it forward" whevener they can. In fact, I have given away MANY more ebooks and memberships for free than I have gotten from my WSOs that have only ran for a month or two out of the two years I've been a member here.

And this isn't just about me...I've seen this happen to a lot of people who chime in on their fields of expertise. I know you replied in haste, but it's truly offensive after it goes on for so long. I can plainly see Jeremy's reasoning, but I don't want to stop particpating.

Guess I'll have to keep running against the wind. (Bob Segar)

AL

I should probably stop reading this thread LOL

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Bev,

From your original reply to me last night, I'm sure you can plainly see exactly what I was talking about.

Yes, I've mentioned that website (a very few times out of thousands of posts), but it was in perfect context. Had I mentioned another website would that have been OK (or smart?) I don't give the URL and I don't even link to it in my sig.

And yes, Jeremy posted that he likes it...but guess what, he DOES! Is he not allowed to voice his opinion and am I not allowed to thank him for his kudos? Why must a conclusion be jumped to that we are in cahoots?

There are hundreds of posts every day here about EZA, GoArticles, ArtticleDashboard and how peoplpe like or don't like them. What's the dang difference? Just because their owners are not here to contribute? Some would think I should be thanked for my unique insight instead of chastised for it.

Just because that is my field and that is what I talk about here doesn't mean I'm out to scam everybody. But obviously that is what some people believe.

I have posted in THOUSANDS of threads here and gotten hundreds of thank you PMs. Those people see and know that I am here to help. I have never asked a single one of them for anything in return except that they "pay it forward" whevener they can. In fact, I have given away MANY more ebooks and memberships for free than I have gotten from my WSOs that have only ran for a month or two out of the two years I've been a member here.

And this isn't just about me...I've seen this happen to a lot of people who chime in on their fields of expertise. I know you replied in haste, but it's truly offensive after it goes on for so long. I can plainly see Jeremy's reasoning, but I don't want to stop particpating.

Guess I'll have to keep running against the wind. (Bob Segar)

AL

I should probably stop reading this thread LOL

Allen, you should have been here when I first arrived LOL.

Ever attend a lynching? LOL.

You have it easy my friend, believe me. And that I've survived as long as
I have is a damn credit to me.

And if that sounds egotistical, well, so be it. I earned my battle scars.

Ask Big Mike LOL.

So chill my friend, cause you ain't alone.

[Bev Clement]

Allen, take a deep breath, because you are the one who made it personal here. When I posted, look at the examples I gave, and unless you have a guilty conscience then it had nothing to do with you.

You were the one here pushing your views on how to be creative, and when a comment wasn't made immediately you reposted it. Why? There was no reason for that.

You have only mentioned your site a few times, I think not. Just go back to the old forum, and look at how you had alias' saying how wonderful you were. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy praising a site, but when it is a tag team, where he posts and moments later you post affirming it with a one liner, that is a tag team, and not being helpful.

I could say Steven is a great article marketer and give his site, but I guarentee that he wouldn't post a response in a few minutes or even a few hours later which is a one liner.

Allen you have turned this thread around to you, and made it sound like you're the victim here. Does that mean you have been posting all the types of threads I quoted because they didn't have your name on them. You want to make this thread about you, then go ahead but quit acting like the wronged party, when you started the problem yourself.

Maybe the biggest problem is that some people push the boundaries, they know they push the boundaries, and even when they are not mentioned, they then act like the victim, it says an awful lot about the way they operate.

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

I always find it a bit strange that we get all bent out of shape when members market in a marketing forum.

Yup

Lets spend ages giving someone an answer to their problem, then direct them to a competitor.

Lemme think, I spend a while answering a question about membership sites but then say oh yeah you can get a really good health membership at such and such (I don't think so do you, or am I missing something here).

Or someone asks me about my membership software, do I say yeah go to the sales page and pay full price, or do I say check my wso in my sig and get it half price. (Please don't check it)

You lot make me laugh sometimes. So many people on this forum are playing the "lets catch em out game" I seriously wonder if they actually get any work done.

Who cares if your wso is in your sig. (mine is), as long as you arn't blatently promoting it.

Who cares if you mention your product when giving excellent advice, (why shouldn't you).

I can't believe the sanctimonious crap posted on here sometimes.

Yeah we're all mods, don't let it go to your collective heads!

Bev this isn't aimed at you as the OP

Kim

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Yup

Lets spend ages giving someone an answer to their problem, then direct them to a competitor.

Lemme think, I spend a while answering a question about membership sites but then say oh yeah you can get a really good health membership at such and such (I don't think so do you, or am I missing something here).

Or someone asks me about my membership software, do I say yeah go to the sales page and pay full price, or do I say check my wso in my sig and get it half price. (Please don't check it)

You lot make me laugh sometimes. So many people on this forum are playing the "lets catch em out game" I seriously wonder if they actually get any work done.

Who cares if your wso is in your sig. (mine is), as long as you arn't blatently promoting it.

Who cares if you mention your product when giving excellent advice, (why shouldn't you).

I can't believe the sanctimonious crap posted on here sometimes.

Yeah we're all mods, don't let it go to your collective heads!

Bev this isn't aimed at you as the OP

Kim

Kim, I do understand where you're coming from and if you look at a lot of
my posts here, I have said that this is a marketing forum so if we're not
here to market why are we here?

But, having said that, Allen makes the rules and if I'm not mistaken (and
somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) since moving to this new forum,
he has clearly said, "No check out my sig posts." They are not allowed. So
if the guy who runs this place says that's the way it is, then we have to
abide by his rules.

At least that's the way I see it.

[Bev Clement]

Kim, I know that

I have no problem with people answering questions and having their wso in their signature, that is what they are for.

But it seems that some people think they should start a wso, and within 48 hours post about how good or bad it has done. That is what I was talking about

Bev

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Kim, I know that

I have no problem with people answering questions and having their wso in their signature, that is what they are for.

But it seems that some people think they should start a wso, and within 48 hours post about how good or bad it has done. That is what I was talking about

Bev

Thank you for the voice of reason. I agree with you entirely in that case.

What gets me fired up is the bitchin and whingin about signatures etc. (unless its pointing to filth or blatent spamming).

I'm quite aware of what Allen requires in his forum Steve. and I should imagine most of us try and keep within the guidelines. (yeah and maybe sometimes some of us slip, I've done it myself).

But let's get a grip, it's not a hanging offence, yeah lets slap a wrist or 2, but my god, it gets out of hand sometimes.

Lets concentrate on getting rid of the crappy spam that does appear occasionally, thats the most helpful thing to do for everyone. yeah point out in a thread that someone has gone over the line, but why do we have complete threads devoted to the subject.

I'm sorry Bev, I appear to have hijacked your thread

I should take my own advice and do some work!

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hope

Kim, Kevin -

This thread is about those cases where the posters aren't meeting the conditions you've stated (bolded above). They are only posting to mention their products and WSOs.

I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about the sig files themselves, just the blatant self-promotion of them.

Jeff

Hi Jeff

I appreciate that (and agree)

The point I was making was some people take it even further to ridiculous levels.

Oh heck,
I'm cranky and bitchy cos I can't make 1sc aff program do what it should

[Greg Cooksley]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Yup

Lets spend ages giving someone an answer to their problem, then direct them to a competitor.

Lemme think, I spend a while answering a question about membership sites but then say oh yeah you can get a really good health membership at such and such (I don't think so do you, or am I missing something here).

Or someone asks me about my membership software, do I say yeah go to the sales page and pay full price, or do I say check my wso in my sig and get it half price. (Please don't check it)

You lot make me laugh sometimes. So many people on this forum are playing the "lets catch em out game" I seriously wonder if they actually get any work done.

Who cares if your wso is in your sig. (mine is), as long as you arn't blatently promoting it.

Who cares if you mention your product when giving excellent advice, (why shouldn't you).

I can't believe the sanctimonious crap posted on here sometimes.

Yeah we're all mods, don't let it go to your collective heads!

Bev this isn't aimed at you as the OP

Kim

Hey Kim,

Well stated.....

I have a question about a thread in the Main Forum started a couple of days ago which was started to directly promote the OP's new forum:

Thank You Warriors - I Have Done It

It's my understanding that this is one of the things that is not allowed - or do I have the bull by the udder?

Please explain....

Regards

Greg

[Johnny Slater]

Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley

I have a question about a thread in the Main Forum started a couple of days ago which was started to directly promote the OP's new forum:

Thank You Warriors - I Have Done It

It's my understanding that this is one of the things that is not allowed - or do I have the bull by the udder?

Please explain....

Regards

Greg

This is exactly what is being discussed here as not being allowed. On the old forum when we had mods that post would have been nuked in less than a minute.

The biggest problem here is that with no mods to keep rule around the roost there are posts that are being let slide because the vast majority of members can't bother to take the time to report the threads or posts.

If people would just start clicking that report button that Allen provides on every post made on this forum almost all of this would go away quickly.

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Allen, take a deep breath, because you are the one who made it personal here. When I posted, look at the examples I gave, and unless you have a guilty conscience then it had nothing to do with you.

You were the one here pushing your views on how to be creative, and when a comment wasn't made immediately you reposted it. Why? There was no reason for that.

You have only mentioned your site a few times, I think not. Just go back to the old forum, and look at how you had alias' saying how wonderful you were. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy praising a site, but when it is a tag team, where he posts and moments later you post affirming it with a one liner, that is a tag team, and not being helpful.

I could say Steven is a great article marketer and give his site, but I guarentee that he wouldn't post a response in a few minutes or even a few hours later which is a one liner.

Allen you have turned this thread around to you, and made it sound like you're the victim here. Does that mean you have been posting all the types of threads I quoted because they didn't have your name on them. You want to make this thread about you, then go ahead but quit acting like the wronged party, when you started the problem yourself.

Maybe the biggest problem is that some people push the boundaries, they know they push the boundaries, and even when they are not mentioned, they then act like the victim, it says an awful lot about the way they operate.

I tell it like it is. THAT is who I am. That's all.

Let's take this to PM, Bev. I don't have any problems with you.

I have to quit this thread or I'm gonna go nuts.

As far as the aliases. That was a stupid little game I was playing with Mr. Pretty. I have since apologized and moved on, as most everyone else has.

oh...one other thing...I thought the original post called for cute and creative. I didn't realize what you were really getting at.

That's why I reposted it because nobody got it the first time. LOL...was trying to be playful.

**********************************************

I think that many of us are not using the "Report a Post" button enough. I have used it a couple of times, but the posts I report don't disappear and the users are not n/a'd. From what I gathered when the forum switched over, reported posts would be removed and users n/a'd for multiple offenses. That tells me that nobody else is reporting the ones I did.

Obviously there are not enough of us using the report button. Should there be more of an emphasis on this? Should more of us be using it?

If we all took ownership and really stayed professional about it, this thread probably wouldn't have ever been created. LOL

Sure, it's working with the outright spam, but if we see these borderline posts as Bev showed above or like the one in the previous post by Johnny, report them and they'll disappear. Eventually word will get around and they will become few and far between.

AL

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I have posted in THOUSANDS of threads here

How do you work that one out?
Your post count is only 298

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

How do you work that one out?
Your post count is only 298

Allen is one of our reinstated members. I'm sure he has learned his lessons
from his past mistakes.

Everybody deserves a second chance.

[Allen Graves]

Oh Leslie, You're so delightfully inquisitive. LOL

And no devious purposes detected whatsoever!!

Whoever cares, knows.

AL

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Hey Bev,

Just a little piece of advice for you here and take it for what it is worth...

Don't ever think you know what my intentions are. I hardly ever talk to Allen either in this forum or away from it and for you to suggest that I am in cahoots with him does a little bit more that piss me off.

Stick to investigating things that matter instead of going through every single thread on the forum and trying to find something wrong when there is nothing wrong.

Somehow you see impropriety in the fact that Allen and I were online at the same time and posted in the same thread?

Have you checked the bottom of the forum at all to see how many people are here at any given time?

I would appreciate it that in the future you do not assume to know my intentions and make it seem like I am doing something wrong when I was doing nothing more than trying to help another warrior out.

Unbelievable,

Jeremy

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Allen, take a deep breath, because you are the one who made it personal here. When I posted, look at the examples I gave, and unless you have a guilty conscience then it had nothing to do with you.

You were the one here pushing your views on how to be creative, and when a comment wasn't made immediately you reposted it. Why? There was no reason for that.

You have only mentioned your site a few times, I think not. Just go back to the old forum, and look at how you had alias' saying how wonderful you were. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy praising a site, but when it is a tag team, where he posts and moments later you post affirming it with a one liner, that is a tag team, and not being helpful.

I could say Steven is a great article marketer and give his site, but I guarentee that he wouldn't post a response in a few minutes or even a few hours later which is a one liner.

Allen you have turned this thread around to you, and made it sound like you're the victim here. Does that mean you have been posting all the types of threads I quoted because they didn't have your name on them. You want to make this thread about you, then go ahead but quit acting like the wronged party, when you started the problem yourself.

Maybe the biggest problem is that some people push the boundaries, they know they push the boundaries, and even when they are not mentioned, they then act like the victim, it says an awful lot about the way they operate.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Allen there is a difference between helping and starting threads which are not being helpful at all. That is when people see self promotion.

Strange that you and Jeremy have stopped giving to the forum, but are prepared to take from the forum.

And how you mention your directory in as many posts as you can, and Jeremy says that a certain directory which is run by you is the best around. You make a good tag team, and it is boring when Jeremy makes a comment like I like [name of directory] and you immediately post a one liner to confirm it. Maybe you don't say your wso or signature, but you keep telling us you have a paid article directory, and how since you have done this you have got rid of certain problems that other directories have etc, etc.

I did not even see this one...

Are you serious?? Really....

I don't give to this forum? Who the hell made you the monitor of contributions?

I would love to post the contents of my PM box here so you can see exactly how I am contributing to members of this forum.

I would love to show my phone bill here to show you exactly how many members I talk to on the phone and help...FREE OF CHARGE.

Maybe I will post emails here of members that I help....FREE OF CHARGE

Honestly, I don't know why you feel the need to include my name in any of your rantings, but in my opinion you are too nosey for your own good.

What do you contribute, Bev?

You spend your time here investigating people, is that your contribution?

Every post you make is either an indirect dig at someone or a direct one that gets to slide because you have been a member here for so long...ridiculous.

I have never ever had a problem with any member here and have never tried to "call them out" for anything that was not justified, but you have definitely crossed the line here.

[tommygadget]

I am surprised at the digs at Jeremy. He has personally looked at a few of my websites for free when I asked him about affiliate promotion pages (not my strongest suit) and I have to say he has provided plenty of value to me for free.

TomG.

[Allen Graves]

I had all but forgotten about this thread. LOL

I can only imagine what's going to be said from here down.

AL

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I had all but forgotten about this thread. LOL

I can only imagine what's going to be said from here down.

AL

I had all but forgotten about it too, but I was searching for something and came in contact with it again...Needless to say, I was a little surprised and upset at what had been said.

[GuruGazette]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Michael the problem is that a wso is run for a few weeks, and how do you know that it is failed in 24 hours?...

I'm really late to this thread but I wanted to raise my hand on this one. I do... and I can't be the only one.

I lurk here more than I post because this place is a gold mine of research data. Just dropping in here every day and scanning what's hot, questions being asked, what WSOs are being released and so on reveals so much information it's not funny. You can see trends, problems, fads, etc really easily.

There's two reasons why I keep my finger on the pulse:
1. Old habit from being an affiliate program manager for several years
and
2. I have a bad habit of being too far ahead of the curve.

By watching what's going on throughout various areas of this forum, I can get a good feeling for when this market might be ready for something. I'm not always right though, so I use the WSO section as a testing ground. And I can usually tell within hours whether something will fly or not.

I've even withdrawn WSOs when they haven't gotten sales in the first 24 hours.

(I used to watch the porn industry to see where the affiliate marketing industry would be heading next, I now watch the WF to see where consumer stuff will head next)

This might not be the norm but I fully believe I'm not the only one who does this type of thing.

As for blatant self promotion threads... I agree for the most part. I've probably made the mistake myself in the past though, because if I'm in troubleshooting mode I don't think, I take action. And if that action requires input from others than I've probably started a thread in the main forum that some might see as an attempt to promote a WSO. In reality though, the thought hadn't even crossed my mind.

With that said though, I DO promote my stuff (wso or not) with replies and participation in the main forum. I just do it really subtley. Those who do it blatantly are easy to spot though, and I just skip right over. Some will eventually learn they're only hurting themselves in the long run, and those that don't will disappear with rants about how "this doesn't work!"

My few cents

[zerofill]

This thread is a joke...

For one...Kevin is correct. I get a kick out of Marketers complaining about being marketed to.

Also...ok...someone mentions their WSO...Guess what I see people mention what they do for their job over an over again...They normally have a WSO related to it to. So if you are a copywriter, programmer, graphics person, web designer etc... Don't talk about those topics if you have a WSO going. I don't want to see it...You are promoting your WSO..{{Sarcasm intended}}

As for Jeremy and Allen...Text is Text and no one knows their motives but them. For someone to come out and slander them in my opinion is bull****. Because I have seen many valuable posts from both of them. I also speak with both of them often and know their intentions. As a matter of fact Jeremy and I are working together. I know what his intentions are...and they aren't anything like what is referred to in this thread.

This is the kind of whining and crying and talking out ones ass that annoys the hell out of me on this forum lately.

Personally I have always thought you were a bit of a smartass Bev...but I also know text is text and isn't always what it seems. But this thread is making me second guess. Getting sick of the "holier then thou" attitudes that seem to be rampant lately...as I mentioned one other time.

The true reason why I, and people like Jeremy don't post lately is because most of what is being said lately doesn't deserve to be posted in. It should just fall to the bottom of the forum as quickly as possible.

However you have no idea who people like Jeremy, Allen, and myself and others have helped via PMs etc for FREE. So don't go pointing fingers at people you do not know.

[Allen Graves]

Wow...we can always count on you to be subtle, can't we, Don.

You know, I probably speak for a lot of people when I say that if I were disallowed to post on my particular expertise, I would be stuck giving one liners about which guru is the best or what autoresponder I use or when I first started in internet marketing.

In my opinion, people with expertise should not only be allowed, but should be encouraged to post in their respective niche's threads...WSO or not. As long as they don't call attention to it, I don't see the problem. It only makes this forum a MUCH better place to learn.

AL

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Wow...we can always count on you to be subtle, can't we, Don.

You know, I probably speak for a lot of people when I say that if I were disallowed to post on my particular expertise, I would be stuck giving one liners about which guru is the best or what autoresponder I use or when I first started in internet marketing.

In my opinion, people with expertise should not only be allowed, but should be encouraged to post in their respective niche's threads...WSO or not. As long as they don't call attention to it, I don't see the problem. It only makes this forum a MUCH better place to learn.

AL

Well...yeah subtle is not my fort'e until I take my medicine lol...which I forgot HAHA...My wife just said did you take your pills? Your bing a bastard

Anyway...you can tell the difference between people that know what they are talking about and offering valuable information and people who are just trying to promote themselves...

This thread is useless and doesn't do anything but take up hard drive space...