An IT guy who doesn't make money online

Step 1) Stop buying products
Step 2) Read the Warrior forum

Define "IT experienced computer tech guy" - what experience do you have? What technologies have you worked with? How long have you been doing said work?

I'll be blunt with you - the majority of the stuff you'll buy is junk.

Start here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

Nobody was born knowing how to do this stuff (just like nobody was born knowing how to do the techie stuff you're very good at - and some of us, including me, still can't do most of it). But that doesn't matter. People can learn. But probably not from most of the kind of products you've been looking at. Those are too often sold by people who find it far easier to make money selling "information" to beginning marketers than they'd ever find it trying to make money by actually using the contents of what they're selling. So ... start from the absolute basics (hence the link above) and get your information from people who aren't selling you anything at all, or hoping to, or trying to. Good luck!

You have slow down and take a deep breath, maybe step away from your computer for a minute.

The whole process you're trying to absorb and implement is available for free online. You see the courses and endless supply of nonsensical courses your purchases, is in fact what you should be producing. It probably doesn't feel right, but that's just it, you do not have to make BS, you can make ART.

You obviously know all of the problems with the courses and have your own formed opinion.

Now dwell on that and come up with something you think people should be doing instead. And sell that.

Or

You really just have an internal problem, a fear of selling your skills, abilities, or creating something that people will buy. Well trust me, not everyone will buy it and some people might even hate it. BUT YOU CAN't PLEASE EVERYONE.

You just need to put in the work and start going.

What's the point in building a boat if you never frigging put it in the water.

Who knows where you'll end up, but if you don't find that sense of adventure within yourself to get going, you'll never go anywhere. In fact you'll drift sideways, endlessly, like going in circles!

It's like being afraid to talk to girls, you're having security issues.

Who cares what people think of your products, or what you think of your products.

Put your skills and information together on whatever you like and start putting it out there!

Keltic, where do you live, i have a suggestion for you

check out this post i made about the hostgator affiliate programme. May work for you!

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8643348

Are you looking to start making money or not?

You're struggling because you're trying to put square pegs into round holes.

What I mean is this. I'm assuming that as an IT guy you have a massive amount of talent in technical matters. Maybe you've been on the clock for someone and collecting a paycheck. That's fine but the real money is to hold yourself out as a troubleshooter. People come up with all kinds of great ideas for online enterprises every day but they have no idea how to make the idea come to life.

I'm talking about everything from simple programming for Websites to installing secure payment systems to flash presentations to building databases and more. The list goes on and on and on. I'm working on something right now I thought would be relatively simple but it's taking some serious IT talent to make it work the way I want it.

Guys and gals like you hold the key to making sooooo many sites not only functional but engaging, clever and functional.

If I had skills like yours I wouldn't be trying to hock Clickbank products for commissions. Not that doing so isn't a noble way to earn money because it is. Take some time and look around the Web at some of the more interesting and functional sites. You know what's going on in the background that makes those sites possible.

I've always said it takes one of three things to be successful online. Everything revolves around these three items. They are, in no particular order:

~> Content
~> Traffic
~> Websites

What else is there? Anyone with skills in any one of those does not have to struggle. Learning how to put them in front of people that need them is the trick. And please, if you have any talent don't go to some low rent venue like fiverr to market it. You can do better. Good luck.

I have bought nearly all of the free traffic products and they all are like you said. Junk. You should look into SEO.

I was in the same boat as you, lots of tech skills. I focused on new skills like writing and marketing. Over time the pieces start to come together. I think I read it in Rich Dad Poor Dad he says most people are only one or two new skills away from real success.

Hello keltic,

First of all I would question why you are looking to make money via Clickbank if you have professional IT skills? Why not develop a Business around your existing skills, offering services to others that are involved with Internet Marketing. You can even offer those services here on the Warrior Forum, one of the largest gatherings of Internet Marketers in the world. That to me would seem the most logical thing to do to take advantage of existing experience and skills.

But, if you are interested in Affiliate Marketing, I have some advice there too. I'm just going to copy/paste two related posts I have made in another thread that may be helpful to you. These posts were related to questions on how to make money with Amazon, but applicable to any form of Affiliate Marketing. Both are related to list building, and that is a skill that anyone interested in Affiliate Marketing or IM in general should learn.

Lindy

1.
Do you know the saying, The Money Is In The List, well it's a true saying, if you build a niche specific list you are targeting a hot market, people who are already interested in what you are offering.

Then instead of trying to promote single Amazon products you set up your own Amazon Store or Stores on a website that you can direct them to from your ads in weekly or monthly Newsletters that you are sending to your list.

I'll give you an example of a Business my 16 year old Daughter runs. It's for the music niche, specifically local type Singers/Bands/DJ's. We have built a list of over 10,000 now. She has set up a website with links to 5 Amazon Music Stores, Guitars, Drums, Keyboards, Recording Equipment, DJ Equipment. These 5 stores would have way over 100,000 items in total, so every ad in her newsletters is promoting 100,000 plus items, instead of single items that many Amazon Affiliates try to promote. And promoting to a HOT target audience who want to purchase these products.

She also features other Affiliate items in her newsletters, other products that may not even be related to music, but would be of interest to her age group market.

Amazon have many niche specific stores that you could build mailing lists for. You need content for your newsletter of course so better if you choose a niche that you have interest in, or you could outsource the writing of your newsletter content.

2.
To be really successful you have to learn to think in different ways to others. My Dad taught me that most people don't really think for themselves, they just follow how others think and do what others do - so therefore they are all competing for the same markets in the same ways. They don't build up any competitive advantage for themselves.

We have built a multi million dollar a year Business by thinking differently to others. My dad and I even have the word THINK printed out in red on a 6x4 photo and up on our whiteboards so we see that word hundreds of times per day to engrain it into our subconscious.

I gave an example of one of my Daughters business's in the Music niche, how she uses different thinking in Affiliate Marketing. Sherri started her first IM Business at 14, she is now 16 and has four IM Business's and will have a turnover (profit) of around US$200,000 this year. At 16 and all from thinking differently to most. Sure she has had the benefit of us mentoring her and growing up watching what we do, but anyone can learn to do the same. Keywords - LEARN and THINK.

I'll give an brief example of what I would do if I were going into a new niche for Affiliate Marketing. And this is not a niche that we are involved in.

So say we say the Pet Niche. A few minutes search in Google gives us results saying it's a Multi Billion Dollar niche, people in US spend over 50 Billion Dollars a year on their pets. So that's a big enough niche for us to play in don't you think? lol

OK now are there any Affiliate Programs available? Got to be kidding right? lol. Again do a Google Search for "Pet Affiliate Programs" and you will find more than a few. Now go to Amazon, do they have any Pet Products, yesss. Now go to ClickBank and you'll find a few more! lol. My point here - if you do some research you will find hundreds to thousands of Affiliate Programs for just the Pet Niche. And some in turn have hundreds to thousands of products in one place.

So now we have a Niche Market to Target and we have literally thousands upon thousands of Affiliate Products to offer them.

Now we have to find a way to build a list of Pet Owners/Lovers to market our products too. I'm not going to do all the work for you, but FaceBook is one way to do this, with software like SocialLeadFreak, or you can do it manually too.

Then you create a weekly or fortnightly or monthly Newsletter for your Subscribers that has interesting content to keep them engaged and wanting to read your Newsletter. You sprinkle your Affiliate Ads through your Newsletter, links to your Amazon Shop or Affiliate Shops. You can also create a Website and again have great Pet type content on it, along with a heap of Banners or Links to your different Affiliate Shops or offers.

You could further engage your Subscribers by having a FaceBook page where they can inter-react with you and other Subscribers by adding stories or photos/videos of themselves and their pets. And that gives you yet another way to promote your Affiliate Products.

So there is a whole little Blueprint of how to do Affiliate Marketing in a much better way than all the PPC, PPV, etc methods.

And not only for my example Pet market. Just THINK out how you could do this for any other Market you were interested in.

I would actually advice you to make your own little THINK sign and put it up where you can see it. Then THINK about it. lol.

Hope that helps you and others.

Lindy

"it's gonna be weired though, but I'm an IT experienced computer tech guy, I can do almost everything from creating a pro website to producing a professional product promotion video for marketers, and I'm part of the best freelancers community on the world.
My problem is I don't know where to start to make money through clickbank as I'm concentrating on it in this few past month(6 month to be exact) I bought almost 900$ value courses to how promote product but I found them just rubbish junk, the teach how to make a squeeze page and that's made me furious in the start, but I can't ignore that I learned something in the end.

My question is, HOW TO START AS AN AFFILIATE LINK, how to get traffic, I've used facebook to promote my affiliate link but with no success so far on selling a single product, and YES I'm a 0.00$ ACCOUNT OWNER.

if there is any course, any trusted one I can go for it and buy it, or here in this amazing forum, that actually I'm amazed of the work on it.

I hope to not see any mockery about the subject, because everyone is good at something, and for me I'm not good at all at marketing, I just feel distorted and confused.
Sorry about that."



Hi,

Why do so many people including yourself think that the way to get started online is by selling Clickbank products as an affiliate? Selling is totally the wrong way to start any type of business on the Internet. It is a bit like putting the cart before the horse. Also most Clickbank products are sold by the big hitters and the rest are mostly junk, with a few notable exceptions.

You say you can build Pro websites but websites are useless without traffic and a poor website with tons of traffic will always earn more that a Pro website with little or none.

First of all start by looking for something of value that you can buy for a few $'s and give away for free or create your own that is in your chosen niche and get an autoresponder account to capture names and emails to begin by building a list before selling anything.:rolleyes:

Most millionaire marketers earn the biggest slice of their 5 figures a month from their mailing lists and very little directly from their websites. The money is in the list, fact!

Being in a mad hurry to make money will keep you from earning those life changing incomes even longer because without a list even the odd sale is gone forever so you will always be looking for more new buyers instead of selling again and again to your own list of buyers?

It is far better to build your own list for the next 3 to 6 months than waste that time and getting zero or maybe 1 or 2 gone forever buyers? So start with a squeeze page,add an opt in form,give away a great free but valuable gift and love your list before selling to them and always give at least twice as many free tips as subtle sales pitches unless you want a mass exodus of unsubscribers?

Unless you are a personality public figure, getting traffic from Facebook Fan pages and Groups takes many months if not more than 1 year before results start to happen but consistent posting and interaction is required for at leat 1 hour every day and as we said results take a long time.

Otherwise we fear you will continue to struggle?

Stephen & Jennifer.

I don't know where you from but If I had your experience I could make £80k every year easily in the UK Monday to friday 9 till 5. Save some money while you are working and then decide what kind of business you want to run. After that if you need hire a few people to help you with your business and 2-3 years later start driving Ferrari That's what my friend done. He worked for IT company 10 years and now he is running his own business. Don't forget this IF YOU ARE GOOD WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING AFTER YOU HAD YOUR FIRST CUSTOMER EVERYONE WILL KNOW ABOUT YOU AND THEY WILL COME TO YOU.

Yeah I have to echo what others are saying. It's not about finding that "golden ticket" wso and instantly the flood gates open and your swimming in wealth.

It's time to stop reading, and start doing. The problem is most people give up too soon. But it's consistency that is key here. Whichever method you want to start with - just go for it 110% for at least 30 days. Sure you can make tweaks to your strategy along the way but stay the course! You'll be earning income sooner than you think.

btw... you mention that you have quite a bit of design expertise? To get the cash flowing, why don't you do web design on the side? It's a skill you already have, and can profit from - while learning how to make money with affiliate marketing.

best of luck to you!

Thank You guys really !! I have relieved a bit and I'll try to filter my mind in order to focus on everything that was said !!
it's feels like family here !
Thank you

I noticed that some post here are asking where do I live, in the IM world is this matter ?? I mean if someone lives in the UK or the US can make more money than someone else in africa or asia for exemple, as they doing the same steps to make money online ? some financials rules of some kind for example ?

hi
Focus on what you love to do..
as you are good creating a pro website to producing a professional product promotion video for marketers, do the same to people who lack those skills and your service to them will make you money ..you can get
started with fiverr to offer your services and earn income ..
be the best
rueben

Become member of warrior Room, you will get best resources, you need not have to spend too much money, probably the first thing you can do that to start with.

Hi guy's Interesting topic, I'm very new to affiliate marketing and so reading all this information really helps. Thank you Lindy for all your valid points and everyone else. I've sort of had my mind set on joining 'wealthy affiliate' for training. Anyone heard of them? I'm UK based.

Regards,

Manie

If I were you and I'd be as talented as you say you are, I would consider building my own business.

Hi Keltic:

I have also bought a lot of $27 courses. Oh yes, junk is being super nice.

Here is what I did to make money. First off, where are you? Most people need to be near a major metro area. I live near miami. However, this advice work for Dallas, Boston, Atlanta, Denver, Tampa, etc. Create a selling web site with your web design services. Buy some Google Ad words key words that are inexpensive.

I bought "miami web design", "miami internet programming", "miami database analyst" etc.

OK so approx $500 in clicks yields $5,000 in profit every month. However, you will get a lot of junk calls from recruiters so buy a junk phone at radio shack for $14.95 and make sure to get a telephone number that is local to the major metro area. That is 305 area code in miami.

Basically, you will have to work on site to make $50 per hour as they want to see you. If they want an online programmer - those get $3 or more. That is less than half of minimum wage. Frankly, you are better off working at Burger King than doing online programming.

I meet my clients at the local Starbucks in the mall and sign contracts 1/2 up front and 1/2 when I am doing programming. Most small companies want to pay your as little as possible, so insist on $50 per hour as you will often have to come down to 40 or 30 in bargaining and that means less money for you. Remember, that you are self employed so UNCLE SAM takes 40% of your pay.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!
Big companies pay big bucks, and small companies do not pay. They got lots of excuses.

Try to cash your check before you start working and see if it clears. Often I will insist that they pay pal the money to me. Do not accept cash from any one. All money goes to your corporation and not to you. Accountants can explain why and it is more than just tax purposes. Government frowns on co-mingling of incomes.

Best to understand that if you are working full time some where else, moonlighting will use your weekends up. That can tire you out, so be careful not to take too much work on.

I started working as a consultant for one of my clients FULL TIME and they insisted that I drop all my other accounts - bad idea, as they soon had trouble paying me.

Internet Marketing can be a lot of things but affiliate marketing is only this:

Traffic > Website/Landing Page/Squeeze Page > Email List > Affiliate Offer > Money

Think about it like a computer program with Money in your pocket being the desired output. If you don't get that output, it is because one of the above mentioned areas needs optimizing. You don't have to figure everything out. You just have to take one step at a time. But remember the first rule of IM-Club: Take Action.

It should cost you no more than 50 dollars a year to test out IM. You are a tech guy. So if you use "unmanaged" VPS hosting it will cost you $20/year. Add the domain fee of $10/year. Self hosted email marketing software will cost you $1 to send out 10,000 emails. That will all add up to less than $50/year to do. You won't really go wrong or lose anything by making mistakes. The biggest mistake you can make is not taking action.

It is important for you to take action now. If you have an engineering background, it will be easier for you to start Internet marketing.

Stop reading. Pick a method you know already and try to apply it. If it doesn't work out the first time, work on your method until you mastered it. If you encounter problems and you don't have the necessary knowledge, then you should buy products / WSOs with high ratings which will most likely solve your problem.

Most people read the WF for months, spend hundreds of dollars on guides but they don't take action. PM if you need further advice, but this is really the most important aspect.

Good luck man

I used to be an IT guy. Was really good at it. I started my own online business and was able to set my own hours, and give myself a raise whenever i wanted to. But my IT job didnt prepare me for internet marketing.

So keltic, i'm not sure if this is how you feel, but..... dont feel bad that you can understand the complexity of the IT world, and can barely get a few sales a month on the internet. I believe you will find your "solution" soon.

The thing about this stuff is that the technical part of it is really not that technical.

The skills that make you the most money are your communications skills and your ability to be completely resilient to fear of failure, doubt, and discouragement.

I would venture to say the people out there making the most money online are probably the least technically apt.

Read books, listen to audios by master marketers, go to events, and keep going at it until you get what you want.

I love the "rocket to the moon" analogy.

When a rocket leaves a launchpad to go to the moon, its off course almost 99% of the time. It has to make constant course corrections in order to reach its destination.

Get started, be ok with not knowing everything, be flexible and make as many adjustments as you need to along the way.

Also FIND A MENTOR! Pay for one if you need to. NOT an IM guru but someone who you know makes the amount of money that you want to make. Getting around people who have what you want is one of the best ways to learn how to get it.

Good luck

Take action, fail quick and fail often and you'l be on the right track to success when you learn from those mistakes.

Best courses i have every taken was google sniper (the education is worth it because it gives you a clear idea on micro market websites bu you can use it to develop larger sites) and Niche Profit Classroom.

The business is simple, do keyword research and find a market that has high search volume, low competition, choose 12 keywords, Hire writers and pay them to write about those keywords topics, then just build backlinks to specific pages (either through article marketing or social media marketing (you should actually do both) and really that is it.

You seriously dont need to buy any education though, everything you can learn from a course, you can learn from this forum. Expect to spend 3 months before you make money online and about 2 or 3 months before you make up your mind on what kind of affialite marketing model you want to use.

WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE YOU MAKE MONEY ONLINE.


This actually a really good course too.
http://devondudeman.info/
you will actually find this guy on the forum from time to time. here is his coaching offer
http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-goldmine.html

Hey Keltic check out this website that reviews dodgy gurus this guy tells it how it is and gives a proper written review so people like us don't get scammed.

Internet Marketing Reviews and Affiliate Marketing Tips - NoMoreBSReviews.com

Through his recommendation and other research i'm going to be joining weathy affiliate, his name is 'Ian Pribyl' by the way but the point is look how many shady people are out there trying to teach you stuff that may not take you where you want to be.

Regards

Manie

Hey Keltic,

Ok I haven't read the complete topic but as me being (as far as I can see) a lot like you I'm going to tell something harsh.... ignore all that has been said here, and stop what you're doing.

Then go walk to a mirror, tell to yourself; STOP DOING stuff that's not you! You are a TECH guy you said yourself.... so stop with that worthless affiliate stuff (yes I know money can be made just making a point here) and DO what YOU are good at.

I suck at writing and promoting (both crucial for Affiliate Marketing), yes I still do it a little here and there to learn and keep trying but my money comes from doing what I do best, developing awesome real online products (I'm saying real because I focus on bigger evergreen products and not the launch make 30K and throw away products).

That said if you don't have the product idea's (concepts) laying around or you're not good at creating concepts from ideas well if you want, contact me, because that is where I excel.

Conclusion: do what you do best, outsource the rest.

Take a writing course. If you learn to write better, you'll have more luck marketing yourself.

i have same problem like you keltic, but i don't rush to buy some course or ebook for learning. i learn from some marketing forum, searching online marketing tutorial on people blog, download some free ebook and join online marketing organization on my college.

ehh there's a TON of courses on this site, I've got 2 WSO's and made my money back on both, shoot, make a list and throw some ads at it. pretty tried and true method, plus you dont have to deal with all the bs the entails IT...

just my .02

I think there are lot of sales/marketing guys who suck in IT stuff. Collaborate with them. You handle technical stuff and they handle sales marketing. You do not want to start learning sales/marketing right now. First, make some money with all the skills you already know.

Then, when you have made enough money to survive for 1 year. Start learning sales/marketing. Make sense?

Can't you ask for a refund on some of the products you bought? 900$ is a fortune in your case, as it could have helped you build your own site and advertise for it, buy awesome content and many other. If you are good with words, try articles marketing. It has brought me valuable traffic so far.

I'll tell you my way of making roughly $80-100 daily, no B.S.
Here's what to do, sign up for an advertiser account at adf.ly.
Then search for hot mobile Pay-per-lead offers stuff like 'free iphone' of free ps3 etc.

Then promote that ppl offer using the mobile advertising feature in adf.ly

I make a killing with it. Maybe it'll do the same for you.

Wish you luck my friend.

It probably doesn't feel right, but that's just it, you do not have to make BS, you can make ART.

Here's the truth.
You need to build relationships with people.
-WD

I only read your initial post and not much others, so if this was already said I apologize.

If you are good at making professional websites, why not advertise yourself as a Magento expert. There are plenty of E-Commerce companies who have huge budgets and want better platforms than OpenCart,ZenCart, or X-Cart.

I began working with E-Commerce websites and it is much better than personal websites or websites that do not sell things directly on the website. You will be very valuable as well because things need to be updated and if you have had experience in updated Magento, you surely know how powerful of a platform it is but how much of a headache it can be to make a simply 20k product quantity change.

Hey IT Guy

I would recommend since you are low on funds to get involved with affiliate marketers who teach training on click bank and other affiliate offers. They should offer ways on free marketing which will help you, since you are just starting out.

I am involved with University of Internet Science. The membership is Free and you are introduced to tons of training which will help you make money online.

Check it out and let me know how much it helps. University of Internet Science Free Membership

Keltic, I can do my own IT work, graphic's, website design, etc... too. However, (as I just posted to Booster), sometimes I outsource it to others and I might have a new client here soon that is looking for a complete new site built to sell a info product on Clickbank. So I'll ask you the same question... do you have any links of work you have done before, as I might be able to use you some or all of the job.

If you can post your sample sites here or just email me about it if you don't want to publicly post them that would be fine too. Others that have the skills needed are welcome to email me as well.

Hey i see that you are having problem with traffic and sales but don`t worry am a social media marketer are you in groups on Facebook that is a great way to go to get free traffic to your offer hope that helps

You can try reading some more informations in warrior forum and outsource informations on courses in internet marketing. Which I believe it will help you earn money online.