Is it OK to launch a competing product which is practically the same as the original?

[Steven Fullman]

Hi,

The title says it.

Can I offer -- let's say hypothetically -- a product, which, to all intents and purposes is identical to another?

...only at half the price?

No intellectual property stolen...

Nothing directly stolen, except the idea...and a promise to greatly enhance the product in future revisions?

Allowed or not?

I welcome your opinion!

Thanks in advance, as always,
Steve

[dvduval]

Generally speaking, the answer is yes, but this is also the type of thing that you need to get attorneys involved if you really want to protect yourself. Look at things like design, overall structure, and any coding if it involves programming, and make sure it could not be argued easily that you copied these things.

[Steven Fullman]

Thanks,

Let's say I copied...the idea...but worked on the execution of the idea on my own.

But it's not a copyrighted idea, as such...

Cheers,
Steve

Hey Steve,
There is no problem with this at all ... Just look around forum software, article directories, adbrite type sites, script sites (hotscripts), and etc .. The list goes on and on...

Creating your own products from another idea you seen but you stole nothing, there is nothing wrong with this.. It happens every day..

James

[Steven Fullman]

Thanks James,

Funny. It's your idea I'm stealing....





















Joke

Steve

P.S. Really, dude, thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Hey Steve,
There is no problem with this at all ... Just look around forum software, article directories, adbrite type sites, script sites (hotscripts), and etc .. The list goes on and on...

Creating your own products from another idea you seen but you stole nothing, there is nothing wrong with this.. It happens every day..

James

I am still looking for that JV ... lol Got an awsome membership script I am fixing to release several warriors have already seen it and I got some great feedback.

I have idea that is already researched and proven that can bring in $10,000 a month easily.. Just looking for that person that is willing to put out a little money to make a huge return ..lol

James

[Steven Fullman]

Are you stealing my thread to pimp your membership script...?

You B&5^£D

Son of a goddam...

Shameless motherfu...



Steve

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I am still looking for that JV ... lol Got an awsome membership script I am fixing to release several warriors have already seen it and I got some great feedback.

I have idea that is already researched and proven that can bring in $10,000 a month easily.. Just looking for that person that is willing to put out a little money to make a huge return ..lol

James

Not really... Just giving you an idea ...lol

I mean if you going to steal it from me then why not see it first ...

James

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Not really... Just giving you an idea ...lol

I mean if you going to steal it from me then why not see it first ...

James

Lol,

With fresh eyes...your original reply makes perfect sense!

D'oh!

Thanks, James. Food for thought.

Steve

[D89]

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Are you stealing my thread to pimp your membership script...?

You B&5^£D

Son of a goddam...

Shameless motherfu...



Steve

LOL is this not the universe teaching you a lesson?????????????????????

What you sow you reap. There is nothing wrong or right in anything as much as can your EGO deal with what is being dished out.

Had you been the original author of an idea would you be comfortable with another stealing your ideal then selling it for less.

Since you cant deal with someone else promoting on your thread then the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO..


which means ethically you can steal any idea you want and create your own devalued replica form it. BUT were you the oriiginal author would you handle it? the answer is obvious!!!!


The right or wrong answer cannot be a universal answer that suites everyone the same. For obvious reasons the answer that you seek is based on your response.

ITs NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not for you!!!! dont do what you cant have done to you. simple!!!

Originally Posted by D89

LOL is this not the universe teaching you a lesson?????????????????????

What you sow you reap. There is nothing wrong or right in anything as much as can your EGO deal with what is being dished out.

Had you been the original author of an idea would you be comfortable with another stealing your ideal then selling it for less.

Since you cant deal with someone else promoting on your thread then the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO..


which means ethically you can steal any idea you want and create your own devalued replica form it. BUT were you the oriiginal author would you handle it? the answer is obvious!!!!


The right or wrong answer cannot be a universal answer that suites everyone the same. For obvious reasons the answer that you seek is based on your response.

ITs NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not for you!!!! dont do what you cant have done to you. simple!!!

I think you missed the sarcasm... Steve was not serious with his reply...

James

[D89]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I think you missed the sarcasm... Steve was not serious with his reply...

James

Guess I must have had one too many glasses of the red stuff tonight.

Let me go before I cause havoc!

[Simon Ashari]

Hi Steve.

agree with richjerknet. this is perfectly ok.

as many of the big players in this industry would say: 'its better to create and own the product and make 100% rather than be an affiliate and make 75%.'

ok so that wasn't actually a real quote from anyone but it conveys the idea.

however... the line can be crossed if the material is plagiarized. Trust you wont do that.

regards

Simon

[MelissaChurch]

If the same ideas are presented in the same order it could be considered plagiarism. But if you were creating a new product with a new outline that just happened to be based on the same idea, I don't see anything wrong with it!

[howudoin]

As far as I understand....An Idea cannot be copyrighted. So if you go out and create a product based on an already successful idea then there's nothing wrong with that, however general disclaimers do apply, such as no plagiarism, different back-end coding in case of a software product such as scripts and preferably a different format of presentation.

Bhupinder

[orangefrog]

It won't bring the same sense of accomplishment, I imagine, but if you're okay with that, go for it.

[hbkh55]

Ya you should though practically both are same but you can make the difference through advertisement.

[MADINAZ]

People do it all the time. Problem is if it's an established product how do you plan on setting yourself apart to attract people who already own the original? What you should do is use the idea and add a little to it for example a couple time saving features. Good luck with your product if you do go forward

Originally Posted by howudoin

As far as I understand....An Idea cannot be copyrighted. So if you go out and create a product based on an already successful idea then there's nothing wrong with that, however general disclaimers do apply, such as no plagiarism, different back-end coding in case of a software product such as scripts and preferably a different format of presentation.

Bhupinder

You are correct an "Idea" can not be copyrighted...

James

[Ryce]

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Hi,

The title says it.

Can I offer -- let's say hypothetically -- a product, which, to all intents and purposes is identical to another?

...only at half the price?

No intellectual property stolen...

Nothing directly stolen, except the idea...and a promise to greatly enhance the product in future revisions?

Allowed or not?

I welcome your opinion!

Thanks in advance, as always,
Steve

I don't think competing on price a smart move most of the time

Regarding "stealing" an idea... Ideas are commodities those days so its likely that the person you are "stealing" from did get it from someone else too.

As Rob Adams wrote
“Successful businesses don’t depend on unique ideas. Instead, they rely on a team’s ability to execute – to build, market, and sell a product that’s better, fasters, or cheaper, and to do so to near-superhuman perfection.”

[Thomas Belknap]

Why sell for half the price?

[Leonard Holmes]

People copy others' ideas all the time, but people also patent ideas all the time. It's really hard to know what to tell you without knowing the idea, and certainly you don't want to just share that with everybody. Intellectual property is just ideas, and there are I.P. attorneys just looking to sue you in some arenas.

If you are talking about an information product, then I think you are fine. Just make a better product than your competitor.

[Shakul]

As far as I know usually (many time|always) idea is not copyright protected. Only the method to execute the idea is copyright protected.

If you are talking about a software, and you code the software from scratch and dount use same graphics or any other thing which is copyright protected. Then you are safe...

Shakul

[Kay King]

If two people start with the same idea - they will most likely create quite different products. It is unlikely the resultant products will be "to all intents and purposes... identical to another?"

If you are "enhancing" another product, you are using more than just the original idea.

We see it done frequently. One product is released - and shortly another similar product is released at a lower price and becomes a competitor.

kay

[Ryce]

Originally Posted by Kay King

If two people start with the same idea - they will most likely create quite different products. It is unlikely the resultant products will be "to all intents and purposes... identical to another?"

If you are "enhancing" another product, you are using more than just the original idea.

We see it done frequently. One product is released - and shortly another similar product is released at a lower price and becomes a competitor.

kay

WELL SAID Kay....

even if 2 people start and collaborate on the VERY same idea, but launch, for example, on a different location, the outcome is likely to be considerable different due specific demographic, social ,political and other variables.

"predicting consumer response to marketing efforts is not just a numbers game. With growing diversity in the U.S. population and an economy that spans cultural and national borders, advertising is often segmented to target specific minority demographics. But to define a target group simply by percentage of population or other statistics such as income or education level mistakenly ignores consumers’ perception of their identity and status in the larger social context. And it is that perception of social status that can affect how an individual responds to images in an ad campaign"