Sideways Sales Letter vs Traditional Sales Page

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Hello All.

So I am restarting my quest to make money online after a few failed or less-than-stellar attempts. I have a blog that is fairly new and I am developing my first product which I hope to launch by year's end. I have had some success is various areas such as Kindle Publishing, Affiliate Marketing, etc but never to the degree of success that I am looking for. My ultimate goal is to quit my 9-5 and be a full time internet marketer.

Ok that's the back story. My question is this:

I am a huge Jeff Walker fan and he, for years, has talked about the sideways sales letter and many IMs have used his technique with great success. I have also seen countless CB products using the traditional sales page with incredible success.

1. What are your personal thoughts regarding the sideways sales letter? Traditional Sales Pages?

2. Are there certain situations that you have found one to work better than the other?

3. Are you seeing any trends in the marketplace in which you would argue that one or the other is outdated?

4. What do you primarily use and why?


I am interested in finding out what other information marketers are doing. I have seen and heard all different arguments and I am curious to hear from the WF.

Thanks fellow Warriors.

Parker
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ParkerFar View Post

    1. What are your personal thoughts regarding the sideways sales letter?
    Not everyone means the same thing by this term. Really, it's just a new name for a very old, time-honored technique which predates the internet. Most people will misunderstand and misuse it, so it won't perform too well for them. The people who are really successful with it would probably have been successful with other techniques, anyway.

    Originally Posted by ParkerFar View Post

    Traditional Sales Pages?
    They can certainly be very successful as the last stage of a longer, slower sales process.

    Originally Posted by ParkerFar View Post

    4. What do you primarily use and why?
    I'm an affiliate (and apologies for replying if you were intending to ask "vendors only"!). I attract highly targeted, non-SEO traffic to my niche websites, opt the visitors in and communicate with them by email in a way which many would (quite mistakenly) consider similar to a "sideways sales letter" just because it's a slower-moving process than the hit-and-run merchants try to use, building trust-based relationships with them so that they'll later buy on the strength of my recommendations, i.e. "because I'm the person doing the recommending". Here's most of what I do: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5721774 .

    Originally Posted by ParkerFar View Post

    So I am restarting my quest to make money online after a few failed or less-than-stellar attempts.
    We've nearly all been there, at some point (I was stuck there for months. Here's my sorry tale: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8532320 ).

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author ParkerFar
      Thanks for the feedback, Alexa. Awesome!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Riki Stein
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Not everyone means the same thing by this term. Really, it's just a new name for a very old, time-honored technique which predates the internet. Most people will misunderstand and misuse it, so it won't perform too well for them. The people who are really successful with it would probably have been successful with other techniques, anyway.



      They can certainly be very successful as the last stage of a longer, slower sales process.



      I'm an affiliate (and apologies for replying if you were intending to ask "vendors only"!). I attract highly targeted, non-SEO traffic to my niche websites, opt the visitors in and communicate with them by email in a way which many would (quite mistakenly) consider similar to a "sideways sales letter" just because it's a slower-moving process than the hit-and-run merchants try to use, building trust-based relationships with them so that they'll later buy on the strength of my recommendations, i.e. "because I'm the person doing the recommending". Here's most of what I do: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5721774 .



      We've nearly all been there, at some point (I was stuck there for months. Here's my sorry tale: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8532320 ).

      Good luck!
      Gonna interrupt here to tell you that I think you're really cool; I'm thoroughly enjoying and appreciating all your posts, thanks for linking back to old ones!

      Do you have a list or something I can follow you on? Would love to get on.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Charles, I'm not a big "guru guy" myself, but I do pay attention to Walker. His PLF, at least from what I've seen from the launch materials, is fairly similar to what I used to see from B2B sales processes.

        The "sideways sales letter" in essence breaks down the traditional sales letter into a more in-depth series of events. Online, this usually means videos or webinars.

        I've not pulled the trigger on the high-ticket package, but I usually learn something from the process itself when Walker launches an updated version of the product.
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  • One trend that I have seen being adapted across the board today (slowly but surely) is instead of using a Fixed Width Web Page, more use of flexible designs (liquid designs) are being used. With today's numerous screen sizes being used, (mobile devices etc) you want your sales page design elements to look right on different browser windows and screen resolutions. Sometimes this could make or break a sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author ParkerFar
      Great thought. I didn't consider this aspect. Many WP themes seem to handle this issue from what I can see.
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    • Profile picture of the author ParkerFar
      This is one aspect I overlooked. I think most themes handle this issue from what I can see. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Who is Jeff Walker, why should we care and what is a sideways sales letter?
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    • Profile picture of the author ParkerFar
      travelinguy - I'm not posting this to promote jeff walker, if you are interested in him google it. i was posted a forum question to better understand what others are seeing out there. the question relates to a long form sales page vs a series of short pages aka "sideways sales letter".

      just looking for input. If you have something to contribute I would love to hear your thoughts.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by ParkerFar View Post

        travelinguy - I'm not posting this to promote jeff walker, if you are interested in him google it. i was posted a forum question to better understand what others are seeing out there. the question relates to a long form sales page vs a series of short pages aka "sideways sales letter".

        just looking for input. If you have something to contribute I would love to hear your thoughts.
        If you post something you want an answer to I think it's on you to explain it. I have no idea who the guy you mention is and I have no interest in searching for the answer.

        I also don't know, as many others here won't, what a sideways sales letter is. Alexa said it's a new name for an old concept. She has done more in the way of explaining than you have. So... what I'm suggesting is that you make your post plain enough so anyone interested in helping you is able to answer it. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Who is Jeff Walker, why should we care and what is a sideways sales letter?
      Really? You have never heard of the 'Product Launch Formula'? I'm surprised.

      Jeff Walker was basically the guy who pioneered product launches in this industry.

      I think it was safe of the OP to assume we would know who he is talking about since Jeff Walker is VERY well known in this industry for being a product launch pioneer.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        Really? You have never heard of the 'Product Launch Formula'? I'm surprised.

        Jeff Walker was basically the guy who pioneered product launches in this industry.

        I think it was safe of the OP to assume we would know who he is talking about since Jeff Walker is VERY well known in this industry for being a product launch pioneer.
        I guess when you say "this industry" you're referring to MMO, info products, etc. I'm not a big fan of gurus or what passes as conventional wisdom in this particular market. It's not that I have anything against them but in my experience some of them are responsible for many of the myths people here and elsewhere believe about how to be successful. This is no reflection on the guy in question as I really don't know anything about him.

        It's true that I'm an Internet Marketer but much of what's discussed here is outside my area of interest.

        As for the OP assuming he'd get answers, well, I thought that might be true as well. But you seem to be the first one here (and perhaps Alexa) who was hip to what he was talking about. I guess I might have come across as a bit snippy up front but I actually wanted him to clarify his question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Luck
    1. What are your personal thoughts regarding the sideways sales letter? Traditional Sales Pages?
    My personal thoughts here are to test both styles extensively with your pitch. Depending on your audience, choice of graphics, videos and approach... the only way you'll find out which one works best for (you) is to test them both.


    2. Are there certain situations that you have found one to work better than the other?

    Sideways sales letters are simply something that people are "trying" to bring back from the dead. I've personally found that a long sales letter with video sprinkled throughout the copy is what converts best for me in several different industries.


    3. Are you seeing any trends in the marketplace in which you would argue that one or the other is outdated?
    Yes, people are trending towards a sideways sales letter because some of the top guys do it. But again, your results could be significantly different depending on your approach.


    4. What do you primarily use and why?
    I primarily use long form copy and sprinkle videos throughout the story to accent key points.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I'm a traditional sales page guy. I believe in phone pole marketing... stick your ad up on a telephone pole and let someone in your niche see it - who is interested, and they will more than likely respond to your ad because you have the right message, in the right place, at the right time. It's all about the words... not so much appearance.
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  • The typical Product Launch Formula works best when your audience needs to be warmed up or educated before presenting the call to action (sale page) in front of them.

    Otherwise, if the traffic has already been pre-sold and is targeted, the typical presentation -> solution -> benefits sales page is good enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      I know I'm a day or two late on this but here is the explanation by Jeff walker himself.

      http://www.bloggingfor.info/wp-conte...dewaysales.pdf

      If anyone is still interested.

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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

        I know I'm a day or two late on this but here is the explanation by Jeff walker himself.

        http://www.bloggingfor.info/wp-conte...dewaysales.pdf

        If anyone is still interested.

        Patrick
        I just read through this and it seems to be a basic autoresponder series.

        But, I could be wrong

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        • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
          Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

          I just read through this and it seems to be a basic autoresponder series.

          But, I could be wrong

          al
          You are.

          A product launch sequence goes far beyond a basic autoresponder series.

          Urgency, scarcity, anticipation, market buzz - all building during a PLF style launch.

          It's a one-to-many conversation, not a one-to-one conversation like an email autoresponder.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedWaterDub
    Would it not depend on what it is you are actually selling?

    What about just a short and sharp description and a buy button?

    Maybe that might be best for certain products?
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