Spinning Articles.......My take

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Last week I started looking at Spinning software to see if I could gain some advantage in getting more of my original, aged content spread across the Web.

I was getting excited last Week when I decided to give ChimpRewriter a shot.

I played around with it for most of the day and finally I threw up my hands and decided it was a total waste of time.

Of course, I was going to be doing it manually and very carefully and diligently (in other wards I was not going to put junk out on the Web with the one spin feature.)

But like I said when I started to spin my article I thought to myself this is just too tedious and a waste of my resources .

I took the same (my) Article and just rewrote it on my own in about 10 minutes with 95% originality.

My take : These Spinners are really not worth the time. If you are a half decent writer you can just rewrite your own material (and with practice do multiple versions of one copy within minutes) Or better yet you can save all this trouble and take one copy of your well written, original article and just syndicate it across the Web to relevant sites
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
    To use a spinner so that it produces unique-ish articles you need to spin at the sentence level and the synonym level. Its a lot of work. And it's often easier to write a new article.
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  • Profile picture of the author jedhanlin208
    Its true you can do that..The only thing is that if you properly spin an article you can use it hundreds of times and still have a high percentage of readability and uniqueness. It can get really expensive and/or time consuming running a link building campaign writing or having your articles written.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    The mark of a really great article is that it engages the reader. The problem with spinners is that you're so busy making sure that it doesn't screw up by spitting out gibberish, you end up producing stiff text that doesn't do anyone any favors. While many spinner fans would say that they only use spun text for link wheel sites and Web 2.0 sites, Google's algorithm is evolving fast. So fast that there is one indisputable truth: if you don't build your online publishing empire on quality, you soon won't have an empire left.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      The mark of a really great article is that it engages the reader. The problem with spinners is that you're so busy making sure that it doesn't screw up by spitting out gibberish, you end up producing stiff text that doesn't do anyone any favors. While many spinner fans would say that they only use spun text for link wheel sites and Web 2.0 sites, Google's algorithm is evolving fast.

      So fast that there is one indisputable truth: if you don't build your online publishing empire on quality, you soon won't have an empire left.
      I remember the Markov days, and quality articles filling the internet is quite OK with me.
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  • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
    You can manually spin articles, it takes time but you can produce at least a 100 articles with manual spinning that make sense and I believe it's way easier then re writing it 100 times but not very easy
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  • Profile picture of the author Sharvin Exubrio
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post


    I took the same (my) Article and just rewrote it on my own in about 10 minutes with 95% originality.

    take one copy of your well written, original article and just syndicate it across the Web to relevant sites
    Yea, the combination of these 2 will prove
    most effective.

    Have tried spinning articles just to get my
    resource box in as many places.

    But realized that properly written, quality articles
    bring more traffic (and also more qualified traffic)
    so I've dumped the idea of spinning.

    Plus, the big G always catches up and quality
    articles will always be safe
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I've been playing around with algorithms lately and I was going to write something to detect spun content.

    I'm sure it's something that's really easy for the eggheads at Google to do, especially given how much sample data they can use. But I guess that spun content isn't a priority for them, given that it usually appears on poor quality sites, which can be identified by other factors.

    It's depressing to see spun content rank so highly, though I've not seen it for a while.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by brettb View Post

      I'm sure it's something that's really easy for the eggheads at Google to do, especially given how much sample data they can use.
      I don't think it's easy, even with super-computer power. In fact I think it's impossible. But it's surely possible that they can "analyze" an article and determine that a particular article is "unique" in a way that it stands out from all other articles...and therefore POSSIBLY rank such an article higher due to "freshness", some unique angle etc. At least that's what Cutts says
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        I don't think it's easy, even with super-computer power. In fact I think it's impossible. But it's surely possible that they can "analyze" an article and determine that a particular article is "unique" in a way that it stands out from all other articles...and therefore POSSIBLY rank such an article higher due to "freshness", some unique angle etc. At least that's what Cutts says

        George , the more and more I get into IM and in particular Article Marketing (via synd.) this really becomes a moot point.

        When you come down to it who cares what Google or Cutts thinks, says, or does. I am being converted over to the camp that says 'F' Google. ( Did I just say that? Honestly, I thought that I would NEVER get to this point. Even just a couple of weeks ago.It kind of scares me )

        Yes, I know talk is cheap but I am coming around to this notion and starting to adapt
        (or evolve ) and embrace it slowly. (but more swiftly as time goes by)

        I do not need to deal with the fickleness of the big G anymore.

        Screw that 'Kool Aid' cause I aint drinking it again, Period !!

        Just Right damn good material. Get it out there and Build your OWN traffic . Nuff said !

        Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Katherine Henders
    Rewriting your own articles is a much better solution because that way you can be sure your content is high quality and 100% original as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Monroe
    Article spinning is considered, as far as I know, a black hat technique. Using an article spinning software will only create different versions of the same article, meaning that your original version will not have the same value if posted on multiple websites, with spinned content.

    Also, if you're using spinner services, you can get penalized, because Google, using its latest update of Panda algorithm, can track the same content in different articles.

    Also, writing multiple copies of the same article is a non-effective marketing technique. Concentrate on the quality, not the quantity of your content.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    90% of times when I read something about article spinning on webmaster forums I want to facepalm myself endlessly, so I usually avoid those discussions.

    Only this: In my opinion, there is NO effing way that Google can detect a well spun (aka "manual spun") article as spun...if it's done 'right'.

    Sorry Google, mathematical odds are NOT in your favor there.

    If an article is spun, say, 3-4 sentence variations and the word synonyms...the "uniqueness" across the articles becomes pretty much the same as, say, writing two articles from scratch about one and the same topic. Say, I write two new articles on "acne", I can assume a certain "natural" similarity between those articles simply because the two articles are on the same subject. (Something like "100% uniqueness" doesn't exist anyway. Most article spinner software etc. makes ridiculous and misleading claims, just as a side-note).

    Now..tell me how Google should know that an article is spun by comparing (how many???) articles on a subject..where some articles may have similarities like that certain phrases are identical? (Which can happen with "true" unique articles but also with spun articles).

    Example, when I write two articles starting out with "Did you know that"...and maybe close them with "If you want to learn more about ..." and keep otherwise common phrases like "Nothing can be worse than ..." "Here is a tip: If you really want to..."

    Is it because the article initially was spun? Or is it simply because a writer used those phrases?

    How should Google....analyze a number of articles on a subject and and conclude that one or more of the articles is spun? It's not possible.

    How should Google..analyze two genuinely written articles about a subject which are overall "rather similar"..and know they're actually written "by hand" as opposed to from a set of spun articles? Or the other way around?

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    article spinning software will only create different versions of the same article, meaning that your original version will not have the same value if posted on multiple websites, with spinned content.
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    This is of course correct since spun articles (normally) will be "relatively similar", and I am not disagreeing here to say that you do not use spinner software when you want to create VALUABLE CONTENT and content which would set itself apart from any other piece of content out there. But THIS problem you can always have. Go on a freelancer site and buy some "real" $5 article about whatever subject...it will likely be the same, rather useless rehashed crap which is similar to 1000s of already existing articles on the same subject.

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    Also, if you're using spinner services, you can get penalized, because Google, using its latest update of Panda algorithm, can track the same content in different articles.
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    And how should that work? It's not possible when the spins are done right.

    HOWEVER - one thing is true that especially after Hummingbird, preference is given to truly unique content....not the 1000th article about "How to look up a reverse phone number"...but an article which in some way tackles a subject in a truly unique and creative way which makes it helpful and stand out, UNLIKE the 1000s of other articles on the same subject.

    But this has nothing to do with article spinning per se, because even a "real" writer can produce worthless garbage. (Go to articlesbase or similar sites or check ezine articles, especially the older articles on there).
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I am not disagreeing here to say that you do not use spinner software when you want to create VALUABLE CONTENT and content which would set itself apart from any other piece of content out there.

      GeorgR,

      In my mind, this is exactly the crux of the problem and the reason why spinning, in my mind, is not acceptable.

      For my purposes, I want nothing but valuable content that sets itself apart from all other content. I have no desire to be associated with anything else!

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      • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        GeorgR,

        In my mind, this is exactly the crux of the problem and the reason why spinning, in my mind, is not acceptable.

        For my purposes, I want nothing but valuable content that sets itself apart from all other content. I have no desire to be associated with anything else!

        Steve
        I agree 100%!

        I can see spun articles a mile away, and when I come across one on a website, I move along. Articles should add value. That's why when I rewrite articles I always add a little extra.

        Even if Google can't detect all article spinning, readers can.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

          I agree 100%!

          I can see spun articles a mile away, and when I come across one on a website, I move along. Articles should add value. That's why when I rewrite articles I always add a little extra.

          Even if Google can't detect all article spinning, readers can.
          When you guys say rewrite your article how do you define it or do it ?

          For me, when I rewrite I do not even look at my original and just write straight from my memory on the subject I wrote in my article and put it in a different light..
          (.i.e. I do NOT sit there and look at my original side by side and just rewrite each sentence looking at the original and changing the words around).

          To me that is a crazy way to rewrite your material
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          • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            When you guys say rewrite your article how do you define it or do it ?

            For me, when I rewrite I do not even look at my original and just write straight from my memory on the subject I wrote in my article and put it in a different light..
            (.i.e. I do NOT sit there and look at my original side by side and just rewrite each sentence looking at the original and changing the words around).

            To me that is a crazy way to rewrite your material
            When I rewrite an article I read it over, identify the main points, then write from memory. If I think something is lacking I'll do a little more research on the topic and add in some more relevant information that'll add value to the article.

            I've never done a sentence-by-sentence rewrite. Like you, I think that's a crazy way to do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Edwin
    Got to say I tried spinning and like you I wasted an entire day. The result of the spun articles was they appeared to have been written by someone from the planet ZOG! Can I give you advice here? Go to Fiver and the like, try some Ghost writers to create quality articles, edit them yourself. MUCH better than spinning and you'll get a good result for not a lot of dosh!

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Never been a fan of spinning articles... i'd spend more time editing the spun articles when i could have written a brand new one from scratch.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Never been a fan of spinning articles... i'd spend more time editing the spun articles when i could have written a brand new one from scratch.
      Randall,

      spinning and rewriting....kind of goes hand in hand anyway, spinning always also requires rewriting, at least for the sentences.

      That being said, I enjoy "rewriting" (or even writing from scratch) much, much more than spinning. Especially since I now use Dragon Naturally Speaking, so writing really flies. Spinning is just murderous work.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    I have never "spun" articles and I never plan to. I have, however, rewritten many articles for clients. But when I rewrite I use the original article AND fill it out a little more with some further research.

    Yes, it takes longer, but the results speak for themselves. The second, rewritten article makes sense and reads well.
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  • Profile picture of the author slanier2
    I just hand write all my content. I got it down to a science to produce a 500-600 word article in about 10 minutes thats keyword targeted.

    Spinners / software and all that garbage is a waste of money in my opinion.

    Nothing will ever be as effective as hand crafted content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Wilson
    don't waste your time with spinning content, cutting corners in business will only come back and bite you in the arse. With everything you do concentrate on quality and being superior. As soon as you get that mentality your succeed far quicker and build a business that lasts.
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  • Profile picture of the author barache
    It goes to show how marketers are always looking for a shortcut. Spinning articles
    sounds great in theory, but in practice it fails every time. Spun content done with
    software is always detectable. I've found it takes no longer to just re-write manually
    if you want different versions of the same article.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgsmith
    Spinning articles will just take too much of your time. You still have to edit the spun article to make the quality good enough. You're right, it is better to write your own version.
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  • Profile picture of the author illinimatic
    Can someone recommend me with the best spinner out there today? Im looking for something that's cheap and creates uniqie contents.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by illinimatic View Post

      Can someone recommend me with the best spinner out there today? Im looking for something that's cheap and creates uniqie contents.
      lol. In all due respect, you have probably come to the wrong thread to get this question answered by most people here.
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    I think its much better to write your own version.


    You give your own touch to it rather than using software.


    Over time, people will become savvy to those who use

    automated features for articles.


    For your good, be genuine.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    I don't believe in spinning articles honestly, Google prefers more natural content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    I worked with a guy who used to manually re-write the articles for himself and also offerd it as a service. And the quality of those articles are better than the articles created by automated softwares.
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  • Profile picture of the author emory27
    To do spinning that actually works you have to put a ton of effort in. This means spinning at paragraph level, sentance level, and word level. It also means spinning in images, videos, line breaks, SEO elements, and other random stuff. We like to do tip artic;les because we can spin a 5 tips article with over 50 random tips that randomly drop. Then spin at every possible level adding random images and videos. We end up with very unique quality content but the setup time to produce this is considerable. On a side note we never spin to clients, and only to pages we own that we can risk losing in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author JimmyRose
    I came here to post to GeorgR.'s post and realised that the OP was using our software, haha!

    GeorgR has essentially summed up my long term views on spinning and rewriting, and he's got it right. When manual spinning is done properly and used in the right places it works.

    Done properly: heavy manual rewrites plus a *maybe* a pass over with an auto spin set to very high quality - set to reject anything that sounds silly afterwards

    In the right places: tier 2 & 3 where lots of links are required. I wouldn't ever recommend someone use spun content on a money site, or a serious traffic referral site in the first tier.

    Spinning is mainly about links. People who think links don't matter are kidding themselves. There are many, many SEO firms including some VERY professional (and expensive) ones that rewrite articles around 10 times each for use in their link building efforts. I have it on first hand that they work very well, as we've used them for websites regularly with awesome effects on rankings.

    Also discrat (OP), it does speed up when you do it for a while. The first few you rewrite can be seriously slow as you get used to it, but it gets really fast after a few iterations
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  • Profile picture of the author SuperKC
    After spinning the articles take a look at the articles keyword density as a whole.. compare them off.. as long as you keep the density separated then google doesn't even check for duplicate content.. the key is in the keyword density.. keeping the top 5 keywords and keyword phrase % well out of range of each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author drem
    Some of the spun content I created in the past looked a lot better than a low quality article from iwriter. However, I would never trust this type of content on my money site. You want something that is truly unique in my opinion.

    JimmyRose said it perfectly. Also, your software is amazing! I used to spend a lot of time doing insane spins (paragraph,sentence and word level) for 2.0s and it was really helpful. Now, my mind simply cannot handle spinning, but that does not take away from your software one bit. It is top notch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hartmann
    I used to spin articles and used most of the spinners when blog networks where in vogue. Haven't done it since then and try to concentrate on quality. I've also cut down on the number of websites I try to rank which makes it easier to improve the quality. You can also concentrate on getting higher quality links too which helps with ranking. With this said, I can see how seo agencies might use them but I'd be scared to link client sites to these types of links. I also agree that well spun articles are hard to detect by google but most people don't spend the time to create well spun articles as they are trying to save time/cut corners.
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