Is it forbidden to use other people's emailadresses for promotion?

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Hello,

Is it forbidden to use other people's emailadresses to promote one's products?
I heard Russell Brunson saying (in his programm dorcomsecretsx)that he used a CD from someone with several million emaladresses for promoting his products, but which turned then into the cancellation of his internet access. He said one should acquire emailadresses legally.

But in an interview with Tony Robbins he just recommends to use other people's email lists.

I don't quite understand what his standpoint on this is.

What do you think on this?

Kind regards
Frank
#emailadresses #forbidden #people #promotion
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
    Legal is one thing, spamming is another. Sometimes the rules for those intersect. I don't know any of the particulars about Brunson's issues with getting his internet access cancelled.

    There are hundreds if not thousands of ISP's willing to sell you access to the internet. But many of them do not want you to run email autoresponders to send bulk email from your own account. That could definitely lead to an account being cancelled.

    The best lists are those you build yourself from your sites that people like so much they want to sign up for more information from you. Borrowing someone's in a JV or a solo ad can work too, just not usually as well as building your own list from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Sure, it's legal in the US to send unsolicited emails as long as you follow the guidelines of the CAN-SPAM Act and any local/state laws. But it's much harder to find an ISP or hosting company that will actually let you do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Maybe what he is talking about is to use solo ads. If you contract for someone to send your message to their list, that is legal (as best as I understand) and that would be using someone else email addresses.
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    • Profile picture of the author brux
      okay, if you send a email to someone without their preliminary agreement - this is forbidden. You have no contract with that person and all emails you send to them are considered unsolicited.

      If you have a contract, you may send them as many emails as you stipulate by contract.
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      • Profile picture of the author UMS
        Originally Posted by brux View Post

        okay, if you send a email to someone without their preliminary agreement - this is forbidden. You have no contract with that person and all emails you send to them are considered unsolicited.

        If you have a contract, you may send them as many emails as you stipulate by contract.
        That's not the case in the USA.

        The CAN-SPAM act means that you can indeed spam people, so long as you have a legimate opt-out method.
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        • Profile picture of the author brux
          Originally Posted by UMS View Post

          That's not the case in the USA.

          The CAN-SPAM act means that you can indeed spam people, so long as you have a legimate opt-out method.
          oh, I meant by contract:
          - understanding, reading and accepting the agreement;
          - electronic signup method with email address, IP and signup date registration;
          - adding opt-out methods (via url - one click unsubscribe, via reply email - by adding to Subject: unsubscribe, via adding a special header with unsubscribe details - google requirement, they offer people that click SPAM button to unsubscribe first, by subscribing to FBL and removing all emails that every complained about spam);
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            Frank,

            Here is a link to the basics of the Can-Spam Act of 2003.

            Contrary to what many marketers believe, it does allow for sending unsolicited email in certain circumstances. But it also requires some pre-cautions and steps be taken in order to comply with the law.

            What many marketers find is that purchased email lists are not accepted for uploading by many emailing and autoresponder services.

            Often, these lists for sale are made up of scraped emails from the Internet.

            In addition, they can be emails that were gathered for some specific purpose but are now being sold without the email owner's permission.

            Occasionally, businesses that are being sold, taken over, or that are going out of business will try to sell an email list to recoup some money.

            You don't know how many times a list of emails may have been sold or typically how the emails were gathered.

            Some of these lists for sale contain a majority of "dead" email addresses - from old email accounts that aren't active.

            Finally, these lists tend to be very general and non-targeted. What that means is that the interests of the list are not the same - they are all other the map. So if you were to send an email offer to the list, it most likely wouldn't get very many responses since the list isn't focused on a particular niche or topic. In addition, you would probably have many list recipients complain that they didn't specifically opt-in to the list (i.e. give you permission to email them).

            The bottom line is . . . don't purchase an email list as it most often won't be worth the money spent on it and by sending to the list you will make a lot of folks (who value their privacy) mad.

            The best to all of you,

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    Originally Posted by Frank Rauber View Post

    But in an interview with Tony Robbins he just recommends to use other people's email lists.
    Tony Robbins is (in my opinion) just another scummy/shady guy. He's settled with the FTC before for false claims, so something like this comes as no surprise. Colloquially, people may call him a fraud or scam, even if not legally accurate. Is that the reputation you want?

    The only way to do it is if the person opted in to receive related email marketing. But you have to prove it.

    Even if legal, it would likely land the account canceled at most hosts and ISPs, and the crap sent would land in blacklists, both RBL and URIBL. As is should.

    It's really just spam, plain and simple. Don't do it.

    Originally Posted by UMS View Post

    The CAN-SPAM act means that you can indeed spam people, so long as you have a legimate opt-out method.
    BS. You have to opt in first.
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    • Profile picture of the author UMS
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      BS. You have to opt in first.
      You obviously haven't read the CAN-SPAM regulations.

      CAN-SPAM defines a "commercial electronic mail message" as "any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service (including content on an Internet website operated for a commercial purpose)." It exempts "transactional or relationship messages." The FTC issued final rules (16 C.F.R. 316) clarifying the phrase "primary purpose" on December 16, 2004. Previous state laws had used bulk (a number threshold), content (commercial), or unsolicited to define spam.
      The bill permits e-mail marketers to send unsolicited commercial e-mail as long as it adheres to 3 basic types of compliance defined in the CAN-SPAM Act: unsubscribe, content and sending behavior compliance:
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    Originally Posted by Frank Rauber View Post


    What do you think on this?
    I think I've seen more than one thread on here about the "ethical" side of Internet marketing - especially concerning listbuilding.

    What I can't understand is why you would ever want to do something of the sort. Would you like it if you signed up for one thing, and suddenly found that your inbox was getting plagued by a hundred different affiliate offers from a hundred different marketers?

    Do you have that "We Respect Your Privacy/We Never Spam" sign on your subscription form? Then I guess you just answered your own question...

    Really, if you use a little bit of sense and the golden rule, the answers to these questions become rather clear.
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