It's not the size it's how you use it?

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Quantity versus quality.

One fabulously written, intriguing, mouth watering article. An exquisitely crafted, beckoning piece of link bait, seducing and tantalizing desperate readers to click on your link in the throes of .... well you get my drift.

Or

50 mediocre articles?

1 Killer mesmerizing graphic or 50 mushed together amateur attempts?

1 script that zips through your work efforts or 50 that lumber along?


Which would you choose? And why?

Me? I'm going for the link bait article but then I'm prejudiced.

Dee
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  • Profile picture of the author jkiley
    There is an old saying... one day of lion's life is better then 100 years of sheep's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Markets
    Dee, hi

    I'm not sure which is preferable. Ordinarily, you'd think quality would always overcome quantity, but I think there's a threshold which needs to be crossed for the almost snowballing benefits of quality you mention ("...seducing and tantalizing desperate readers to click on your link in the throes of...") to kick in.


    With article marketing, the fact that most/very few writers are going to reach the stage you mention ("...fabulously written, intriguing, mouth watering..") I can see why, perhaps, quantity is more important than quality (all within reason) - truly a numbers game.

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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by davebo View Post

      I get a little tired of writers who constantly tell everyone about how great their articles are, how much better the ROI will be, links, etc. If they honestly believed it, they would put a guarantee that their articles did perform.

      You see threads like this all the time from writers trying to extend the belief that price=quality. It's great for them....they get to work less.
      I get tired of people who make posts that bring absolutely nothing to the discussion and who's only real purpose is to bash another member's post. No where in Dee's post did I even sense a tone of "how great my article is", she's merely posing a question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by davebo View Post

      I get a little tired of writers who constantly tell everyone about how great their articles are, how much better the ROI will be, links, etc. If they honestly believed it, they would put a guarantee that their articles did perform.

      You see threads like this all the time from writers trying to extend the belief that price=quality. It's great for them....they get to work less.
      Uhu! So you must hate the ads for good cars, good restaurants, good whiskey. Those miserable worms who are always telling us their stuff is better, like those evil Swiss who make their Rolexes and Omegas so much better than the cheap watches, and then have the unmitigated gall to ask you to pay more for them.

      Sure, lets just get the writers to work for peanuts and flood the Internet with more crappy dross. Like there isn't enough garbage out there. I for one cheer everytime Google slaps you trash mongers down into the gutter where you belong. The Internet is a place for real information, not regurgitated crapola.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        I keep telling my wife it isn't the size that matters but she won't listen to me. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          I have davebo on ignore and everyone is quoting him. lol

          Now I know where that stench is coming from. It smells like wet TROLL!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            I have davebo on ignore and everyone is quoting him. lol

            Now I know where that stench is coming from. It smells like wet TROLL!!!

            Hamster farts get rid of that smell.
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              Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

              Hamster farts get rid of that smell.
              Nice, like organic potpourri.
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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Hey Davebo,

        I think Kevin to the words right off my keyboard!


        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        Uhu!

        Sure, lets just get the writers to work for peanuts and flood the Internet with more crappy dross. Like there isn't enough garbage out there. I for one cheer everytime Google slaps you trash mongers down into the gutter where you belong. The Internet is a place for real information, not regurgitated crapola.
        Enough said!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    There is an old saying... one day of lion's life is better then 100 years of sheep's.
    Wow, jkiley, I sure don't know who said that but please sign me up on the sheep team!
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  • Profile picture of the author annihilator
    If you said 50 sucker articles I'd go for the awesome one. But since you said 50 mediocre articles, I'll take them instead. You can PM me for the details and my email.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    It'll be a tough decision, but I'll go with 50 "mediocre" articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    No brainer . The 50 will always get you more traffic than the one . No matter how good it is .

    While a lot of people are trying to write that perfect article , splash, or sales page , I will be taking action that produces profits .

    Isn't the bottom line what really matters ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Wh
      What can you offer or do that no one else can? Answer this and quality becomes more important than quantity
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      • Profile picture of the author DeePower
        Davebo said: I get a little tired of writers who constantly tell everyone about how great their articles are, how much better the ROI will be, links, etc. If they honestly believed it, they would put a guarantee that their articles did perform.

        You see threads like this all the time from writers trying to extend the belief that price=quality. It's great for them....they get to work less.

        Interesting. So writers should strive to work more to earn less?

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        • Profile picture of the author DeePower
          Dean Wh: There's lots a good writer can do that no one else can.

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          • Profile picture of the author DeePower
            Troy Phillips said: No brainer . The 50 will always get you more traffic than the one . No matter how good it is .

            Why?

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            • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
              Originally Posted by DeePower View Post

              Troy Phillips said: No brainer . The 50 will always get you more traffic than the one . No matter how good it is .

              Why?

              Dee
              Well Dee , where you could probably do 50 premium articles and then pick out the best , the average marketer could take your 49 culls and make a good living from them.

              You are a writer . Even your question made me want to read more :-)

              For those of us who are not , we can have 50 articles floating around that, if put in the right places, should bring us 500 clicks per day .

              Although I feel people get excited with the duplicate content worries , The same article in 50 different places could alert the spiders. If we pay a writer for the perfect article then spin it 50 times we end back up with a crappy article .

              See where I am coming from
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              • Profile picture of the author Dean Wh
                Hi Dee,
                Troy makes good points, and maybe I wasn't clear enough.

                If you create one great article that seems to stand out, it has a good chance of being picked up.

                I have over 25 articles floating around, yet one, with a title about universty degrees being a rip off compared to seminar fees etc, was pulled more than all the others put together. I guess what I offered was an insight into the difference between the two that no one else had pointed out.

                But I guess if you can't do that, then quantity is better.

                I don't know, and maybe I completely misinterpreted your question

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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            I find it curious that davebo finds a need to "bash" Dee when all she's doing is asking a question and starting a debate

            And for the record I would go for quality every time

            Kim

            Originally Posted by davebo View Post

            I've seen multiple threads started by you attempting to convince people that quality articles are better than crappy ones. If you feel the need to drill that home, you obviously aren't a great writer. Because great writers don't convince people by telling them, they do it by showing them. So, in this case, you're just trying to dupe people so you can get paid more. It's not quality at all.

            I have a programmer that charges 3x more than other guys I use. I pay it because he's fast, good, and doesn't need handholding. He doesn't need to tell me why he charges more, I know why he does.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by Dean Wh View Post

        What can you offer or do that no one else can? Answer this and quality becomes more important than quantity
        In this world of make believe anyone can appear to be the best at any aspect . The problems arise when action must be taken and the bs stops .

        There is very little that anyone can claim to be the best at . There is always someone a little better in the end .

        The only truly unique thing you have to offer is yourself .
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  • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
    I've seen a few threads recently that turned into basically this debate, and I don't really understand what the problem is. Everyone seems to be suggesting that you can only have quality or quantity, but I don't really think it's that hard to have both.

    It's much easier than people say it is to churn out top quality articles in a very short period of time, especially if you know your subject well, and you're an experienced writer, and I don't think newbies should be left with the impression that they need to spend days, or even hours, on their work to produce good quality content. The fact is that with a lot of practice and a lot of knowledge, then there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be able to produce several articles an hour that are informative and easy to read.

    The only time that quantity-quality really is a dilemma is when you start using the article spinners. For this, you simply need to think about what your aim was in writing the articles in the first place. If you're just looking for links, then it doesn't really matter how good or bad your articles are, as long as they get accepted. If you want clicks from your articles, then you better make sure the articles are good

    You can still get good articles from article spinners, you just have to make sure that you use a very good article spinner, and that you use it sparingly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Well said Scattermouse

      Originally Posted by scattermouse View Post

      I've seen a few threads recently that turned into basically this debate, and I don't really understand what the problem is. Everyone seems to be suggesting that you can only have quality or quantity, but I don't really think it's that hard to have both.

      It's much easier than people say it is to churn out top quality articles in a very short period of time, especially if you know your subject well, and you're an experienced writer, and I don't think newbies should be left with the impression that they need to spend days, or even hours, on their work to produce good quality content. The fact is that with a lot of practice and a lot of knowledge, then there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be able to produce several articles an hour that are informative and easy to read.

      The only time that quantity-quality really is a dilemma is when you start using the article spinners. For this, you simply need to think about what your aim was in writing the articles in the first place. If you're just looking for links, then it doesn't really matter how good or bad your articles are, as long as they get accepted. If you want clicks from your articles, then you better make sure the articles are good

      You can still get good articles from article spinners, you just have to make sure that you use a very good article spinner, and that you use it sparingly.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoMo
    I'd post the 1 great article and promote it with 50 articles spun from it.


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    • Profile picture of the author affilcrazy
      Yep,

      i was never a believer in quality over quantity (i'm talking in IM terms of course ) until it actually happened to me.

      I remember the first time i wrote an article that actually got picked up by other webmasters (a lot) and the traffic i got from that was huge. It lasted for a long time and that one article still produces sales months and months after i wrote it. I was also contacted by a few of the webmasters and asked if i could write the odd guest article just for them.

      On the other hand, i remember not so long ago, trying to crank out as many articles over a weekend for a certain clickbank product. I managed to write 52 in 2 days, got a shed-load of traffic to my articles, a low clickthrough rate and only 1 sale!

      Point proven!

      Thanks Dee & Kim

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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hi Dee,

    It seems like I'm on the more popular side of this thread - Quality over quantity.

    I can understand the mentality of quantity over quality - but when it comes to communication, I thought everyone knew that effective communication is about saying what matters - not just saying a lot. If you want people to respond (the whole point in the case of article marketing) you need your words to resonate with them. Bad writing can lose you business.

    You can put 1000 crap respun articles online and most people that read them will consider them crap and you'll get a very low response.

    You put one fantastic article up and almost everyone that reads it will appreciate it.

    Bad writing can LOSE you business.

    This stuff isn't all about up-sides.

    It's a fact that good communication can increase your business and bad communication can reduce it.

    Just look at how many people get called on their bad grammar even in public forums - to some people that turns them off (regardless of the actual message).

    Troy - Your comments about "the average marketer could take your 49 culls and make a good living from them"

    I disagree. I would hazard a guess that the 'average' marketer doesn't even have 50 articles online - of any quality.

    I'm sure that Dee also knows that it's possible to throw a lot of crap at the wall and something will stick - and you seem to be coming from the school of "I can throw enough crap that more will stick than if I just spent the time on quality" - but is that really the way you want to build your business? Maybe it is, perhaps you're a results-focused person, but for a lot of people they actually care about the quality of what they do (sometimes too much and to the detriment of getting things done) and are happy to incorporate a model that focuses on quality.

    I'm that writers also prefer to write good content and not crap - so I don't blame them for wanting to do that type of work over writing dross just to feed search engines that will ultimately filter it out anyway at some point.

    I would never have guessed that this conversation could be so polarised, but I guess that's the beauty of people - we're all different.

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    • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Hi Dee,

      It seems like I'm on the more popular side of this thread - Quality over quantity.

      I can understand the mentality of quantity over quality - but when it comes to communication, I thought everyone knew that effective communication is about saying what matters - not just saying a lot. If you want people to respond (the whole point in the case of article marketing) you need your words to resonate with them. Bad writing can lose you business.

      You can put 1000 crap respun articles online and most people that read them will consider them crap and you'll get a very low response.

      You put one fantastic article up and almost everyone that reads it will appreciate it.

      Bad writing can LOSE you business.

      This stuff isn't all about up-sides.

      It's a fact that good communication can increase your business and bad communication can reduce it.

      Just look at how many people get called on their bad grammar even in public forums - to some people that turns them off (regardless of the actual message).

      Troy - Your comments about "the average marketer could take your 49 culls and make a good living from them"

      I disagree. I would hazard a guess that the 'average' marketer doesn't even have 50 articles online - of any quality.

      I'm sure that Dee also knows that it's possible to throw a lot of crap at the wall and something will stick - and you seem to be coming from the school of "I can throw enough crap that more will stick than if I just spent the time on quality" - but is that really the way you want to build your business? Maybe it is, perhaps you're a results-focused person, but for a lot of people they actually care about the quality of what they do (sometimes too much and to the detriment of getting things done) and are happy to incorporate a model that focuses on quality.

      I'm that writers also prefer to write good content and not crap - so I don't blame them for wanting to do that type of work over writing dross just to feed search engines that will ultimately filter it out anyway at some point.

      I would never have guessed that this conversation could be so polarised, but I guess that's the beauty of people - we're all different.

      Andy
      Andy,
      I think that you answered this most eloquently. I couldn't agree more, and have only one thing to add to this, from a consumer point of view.

      I am still learning this internet marketing thing, but I appreciate good writing, always have. I will SEARCH for more from someone who communicates well, even if there is not much of it.

      Very interesting thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Hi Dee,

      It seems like I'm on the more popular side of this thread - Quality over quantity.

      I can understand the mentality of quantity over quality - but when it comes to communication, I thought everyone knew that effective communication is about saying what matters - not just saying a lot. If you want people to respond (the whole point in the case of article marketing) you need your words to resonate with them. Bad writing can lose you business.

      You can put 1000 crap respun articles online and most people that read them will consider them crap and you'll get a very low response.

      You put one fantastic article up and almost everyone that reads it will appreciate it.

      Bad writing can LOSE you business.

      This stuff isn't all about up-sides.

      It's a fact that good communication can increase your business and bad communication can reduce it.

      Just look at how many people get called on their bad grammar even in public forums - to some people that turns them off (regardless of the actual message).

      Troy - Your comments about "the average marketer could take your 49 culls and make a good living from them"

      I disagree. I would hazard a guess that the 'average' marketer doesn't even have 50 articles online - of any quality.

      I'm sure that Dee also knows that it's possible to throw a lot of crap at the wall and something will stick - and you seem to be coming from the school of "I can throw enough crap that more will stick than if I just spent the time on quality" - but is that really the way you want to build your business? Maybe it is, perhaps you're a results-focused person, but for a lot of people they actually care about the quality of what they do (sometimes too much and to the detriment of getting things done) and are happy to incorporate a model that focuses on quality.

      I'm that writers also prefer to write good content and not crap - so I don't blame them for wanting to do that type of work over writing dross just to feed search engines that will ultimately filter it out anyway at some point.

      I would never have guessed that this conversation could be so polarised, but I guess that's the beauty of people - we're all different.

      Andy
      The 49 culls was more of a complement to the op's writing ability than anything .

      I honestly have several traffic tactics that work better than article traffic . I have never spun someones article .

      Maybe it is, perhaps you're a results-focused person, but for a lot of people they actually care about the quality of what they do (sometimes too much and to the detriment of getting things done) and are happy to incorporate a model that focuses on quality.
      I am a very results focused marketer . As long as it is not black hat , I use every thing that I can to produce the result I am after . Feeding my two children and two nephews I have custody of . That takes money and money ,at least with my business model, comes from sales .
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      Quality is the way to go on the internet Big G loves it,your readers too,Quality provides stickyness.
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  • Profile picture of the author anth.elias
    Originally Posted by DeePower View Post

    Quantity versus quality.

    One fabulously written, intriguing, mouth watering article. An exquisitely crafted, beckoning piece of link bait, seducing and tantalizing desperate readers to click on your link in the throes of .... well you get my drift.

    Dee
    Wow that made me hungry.
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    • Profile picture of the author Runner26
      My first reaction was for quality, but the more posts I read shifted me to quantity. But maybe the middle area isn't a "cop out" in this case. 2 possiblilities:

      1. Instead of the 1 or 50 extremes (spending same amount of time?), write 3-5 decent articles, enough to cover all of your top keywords/keyphrases.

      2. For those who love analyzing results, do the 50 and determine which one gets best response. Then spend the time editting it into your 1 high quality article and submit to expect better results.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think everyone wants quality articles, don't they?

    But, if you have the best quality article ever written and no one sees it what good is it?

    Of course, if you had a mediocre article and you had a high quality article and both had the same number of readers, then the high quality one would probably bring you more business.

    But what if you had 50 mediocre articles that got 10 visitors each and 1 quality article that got 10 visitors. Which choice do you think would be better?

    Of course, there are so many variables here it's hard to answer the question. What's the purpose of the articles? To get links? To get subscribers? To get sales? Perhaps for each purpose the answer to whether you would rather have 50 mediocre articles or 1 quality article would be different.

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