How Easy Is It To Make Money On Kindle?

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I've been seeing WSO's and courses offering to teach you how to publish on Kindle. I'm sure that they will do fine in teaching you how to publish there...but I'm wondering how easy/hard it is to make any money on Kindle. Can anyone give me some feedback on how easy/hard they have found it?

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  • Profile picture of the author TemperThompson
    Originally Posted by everyonewins View Post

    I've been seeing WSO's and courses offering to teach you how to publish on Kindle. I'm sure that they will do fine in teaching you how to publish there...but I'm wondering how easy/hard it is to make any money on Kindle. Can anyone give me some feedback on how easy/hard they have found it?

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    If you put in the effort & do the research, there's a lot of money in it.
    I made $600 in my first week. $1,400 in my first month, etc.
    I haven't touched it in a few months, and I'm still getting around $600 a month passive income from it.

    Definitely worth it. I started with no courses or WSO's, but I'm sure that if I bought one when I first started it would have been a lot easier.

    To me, making money on Kindle is pretty easy. I wouldn't call it hard. Just put effort in at the beginning.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I like it, I've made some money from Kindle, got a nice radio interview as a result of publishing my books. I started with Geoff Shaw's Kindling course, that worked nicely for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      The key is understanding what sells, how to write it (or get someone good to write it for you), and how to promote it.

      If you can solve each leg of that stool, you should be able to make some money. What's "easy" for someone else, may not be easy for you.

      The best tactic? It's really the same with any IM product creation: Try it for yourself on a small scale and see how you do. When you have mastered the formula, ramp it up and make some significant money.

      Good luck to you,

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by everyonewins View Post

    I've been seeing WSO's and courses offering to teach you how to publish on Kindle. I'm sure that they will do fine in teaching you how to publish there...but I'm wondering how easy/hard it is to make any money on Kindle. Can anyone give me some feedback on how easy/hard they have found it?

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    It depends on your approach. Are you going to do all the writing and promoting? Do you plan out outsourcing part or all of it?

    Are you going to create a bunch of 30-70 page short stories and try to have as many published works out there? Which genre are you going to write in if you're doing fiction?

    What topics/ niches will you do if you're writing non-fiction?

    In my short experience with Kindle, I would say it's NOT easy in the beginning. You really have to put forth effort regardess if you're going to do it all yourself or not, because even if you outsource, you still have to put the right mechanisims in place, hire the proper talent, etc.

    I think in the longrun, though, for those that find a good audience, build a following (build your list), and continue to put out quality work for that audience, are going to find that it gets much easier over time.

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  • Profile picture of the author John J M
    The short answer is that it's not that hard AFTER you know the most important factors to selling more books and AFTER you either put in the time or outsource the work. Then you have to wait a little while to actually get paid by Amazon.

    It's an investment, but if you start now, you will make money. How much is a matter of learning more or getting the right people to do it for you AND selling more and more books.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kecia
    I don't know that I would call it easy - it would depend on how much you know about writing, marketing, and technical aspects. The important thing is finding a genre and giving the readers EXACTLY what they want. It helps if you are well read in said genre, because then you have a better chance of delivering what the readers want/expect, which = money in the bank.

    There's more than just the writing, however. You also need to know how to make covers (or have the funds to outsource) as well as market the book in order to reach the widest audience possible.

    There is a learning curve, but it's not impossible to make money with Kindle.
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  • Profile picture of the author KRobertson
    Can anyone recommend a good ebook/course/wso that is reasonably affordable on how to make money with kindle? (I'm specifically looking for the marketing aspects of it, choosing a niche, etc)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kecia
      Originally Posted by KRobertson View Post

      Can anyone recommend a good ebook/course/wso that is reasonably affordable on how to make money with kindle? (I'm specifically looking for the marketing aspects of it, choosing a niche, etc)

      Check out Kindling by Geoff Shaw. It's by far the most comprehensive course you need for Kindle - whether you want to publish fiction or nonfiction. It's available here as a WSO.
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      • Profile picture of the author wapi
        I am writing one ebook for Kindle publishing. Will update this thread soon after I launch my ebook on Kindle. Do some research on kindle itself rather then going around for WSO. You will get right answer. You also need to select best niche that would sell fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kindleismylife
      There isn't a better way to make a living than writing books for Kindle.

      I chose Kindle after having owned an offline business, launched and marketed several courses here on the Forum and even wrote copy for several really big launches.

      For me writing and selling Kindle books is less about the money and more about dedication to craft.

      Sure, right now you can make really good money selling complete junk books, but readers are getting weary. The novelty is wearing off a bit (much like info products have their own cyclical process of popularity) and the time for sifting the wheat from the chafe is now.

      Quality writers will continue to make an absolute killing on Kindle while the rest will fall back into white noise.

      Here are some numbers for you:

      Books published per country per year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Self-publishing boom sees 59% increase in DIY titles | Books | theguardian.com
      Wait, there were HOW many self-published books in 2012?! | Inkless

      While I certainly don't doubt that you can make a living selling books you outsourced for $0.01 a word, you must realize that you would be competing against people like me who have dedicated themselves to the craft of writing. If you are looking to make the big bucks like Hugh Howey or H.M. Ward or Chris Culver (all millionaire self publishers) you aren't getting there with books that were written for $0.01 a word.

      Self-publishing operates in an open market, it is competitive and growing more competitive every day. What I would like to see is a marriage of talented writers and talented marketers - much like we see in the info product launch space. Partnerships between talent groups to better the space.

      What I see a lot of now are talented marketers, people who could sell anything to anyone, realizing the cultural, economic and financial shift that has occurred since the opening of the self publishing world wanting desperately to take advantage of that opportunity (as any good businessperson would). But since they know almost nothing about the world of fiction and the craft of writing they turn to their business smarts (buy low and sell high, outsourcing etc.) in order to cash in.

      The problem is that fiction isn't like that (non-fiction is a different story). If it was publishing houses wouldn't be struggling right now, bookstores wouldn't be closing, every movie would be a huge hit and nobody would ever lose money in Hollywood - but that just isn't the case.

      On the other hand you have these people who have lived their entire lives surrounded by fiction. They have read 2 - 3 books a week, have been writing fan fiction for years, have developed their craft etc., etc., etc., but they know almost NOTHING about selling. I mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

      These aren't the kind of writers you are going to find hawking their services for $0.01 a word either. These are the closet writers, these are the Wattpad superstars, these are the Nanowrimo champs that just look at writing as a "hobby" not knowing what they could be doing with their skills.

      And what you end up with are two separate camps operating at 25% (a nice made up number) of their potential. You have marketers flooding the space with lower quality books and you have potential best sellers sitting on hard drives never making a dime.

      Like I said before, the smart marketer is the person who will find a way to build relationships with the better writers and come up with mutually amicable solutions to each others problems.

      The smart writer will accept those terms OR learn how to sell.

      In short, yes. Kindle is an amazing way to make a living.

      Having experienced working with "clients", "customers", "subscribers" and now "fans" - I can tell you that out of all of them, "fans" give me the most joy.

      If you are considering publishing on Kindle, take a look at the course Kindling by Geoff Shaw. He teaches long term business methods and preaches quality over quantity.
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      • Profile picture of the author planetlubs
        Originally Posted by Kindleismylife View Post

        There isn't a better way to make a living than writing books for Kindle.

        I chose Kindle after having owned an offline business, launched and marketed several courses here on the Forum and even wrote copy for several really big launches.

        For me writing and selling Kindle books is less about the money and more about dedication to craft.

        Sure, right now you can make really good money selling complete junk books, but readers are getting weary. The novelty is wearing off a bit (much like info products have their own cyclical process of popularity) and the time for sifting the wheat from the chafe is now.

        Quality writers will continue to make an absolute killing on Kindle while the rest will fall back into white noise.

        Here are some numbers for you:

        Books published per country per year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        Self-publishing boom sees 59% increase in DIY titles | Books | theguardian.com
        Wait, there were HOW many self-published books in 2012?! | Inkless

        While I certainly don't doubt that you can make a living selling books you outsourced for $0.01 a word, you must realize that you would be competing against people like me who have dedicated themselves to the craft of writing. If you are looking to make the big bucks like Hugh Howey or H.M. Ward or Chris Culver (all millionaire self publishers) you aren't getting there with books that were written for $0.01 a word.

        Self-publishing operates in an open market, it is competitive and growing more competitive every day. What I would like to see is a marriage of talented writers and talented marketers - much like we see in the info product launch space. Partnerships between talent groups to better the space.

        What I see a lot of now are talented marketers, people who could sell anything to anyone, realizing the cultural, economic and financial shift that has occurred since the opening of the self publishing world wanting desperately to take advantage of that opportunity (as any good businessperson would). But since they know almost nothing about the world of fiction and the craft of writing they turn to their business smarts (buy low and sell high, outsourcing etc.) in order to cash in.

        The problem is that fiction isn't like that (non-fiction is a different story). If it was publishing houses wouldn't be struggling right now, bookstores wouldn't be closing, every movie would be a huge hit and nobody would ever lose money in Hollywood - but that just isn't the case.

        On the other hand you have these people who have lived their entire lives surrounded by fiction. They have read 2 - 3 books a week, have been writing fan fiction for years, have developed their craft etc., etc., etc., but they know almost NOTHING about selling. I mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

        These aren't the kind of writers you are going to find hawking their services for $0.01 a word either. These are the closet writers, these are the Wattpad superstars, these are the Nanowrimo champs that just look at writing as a "hobby" not knowing what they could be doing with their skills.

        And what you end up with are two separate camps operating at 25% (a nice made up number) of their potential. You have marketers flooding the space with lower quality books and you have potential best sellers sitting on hard drives never making a dime.

        Like I said before, the smart marketer is the person who will find a way to build relationships with the better writers and come up with mutually amicable solutions to each others problems.

        The smart writer will accept those terms OR learn how to sell.

        In short, yes. Kindle is an amazing way to make a living.

        Having experienced working with "clients", "customers", "subscribers" and now "fans" - I can tell you that out of all of them, "fans" give me the most joy.

        If you are considering publishing on Kindle, take a look at the course Kindling by Geoff Shaw. He teaches long term business methods and preaches quality over quantity.
        What Kindleismylife has written above pretty somes it up. I summary, it is easy and profitable if you can find a way to bring the work with the smart writers if you are not,or learn to sell publish a and promote if you are a smart fiction writer.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Making money on Kindle is really very easy, as Amazon does most of the work for you.

          Getting in position to make that money takes work, but it isn't rocket science.

          In a nutshell, you write quality stuff that some group of people will want to read, ignore everybody else (at least for that book or series), then do what you have to do to make that group aware of your product.

          As for books/courses:

          Picking niches - Steve Scott has a pretty decent book on picking nonfiction niches. Scott is an affiliate marketer by background, so he does have a bit of a fixation on what's hot right now. Get past that, and he has some good processes. Available on Kindle.

          Making money with fiction - I just finished reading "Write. Publish. Repeat" by the guys who do the Self Publishing Podcast. One of the best I've read about the business of making money with self-publishing. Their background is fiction, but their advice applies just as well to non-fiction. The book is available on Kindle and the podcast is on iTunes.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    It's really easy for bestselling authors. They just pen another classic and watch the sales come in.
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      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      It's really easy for bestselling authors. They just pen another classic and watch the sales come in.
      It's that easy? You mean that all I have to do is become a bestselling author and every time I publish a short story I'll be rolling in the green stuff? Haha. In all seriousness though that's half the secret to being successful in anything. In my experience, anyway, money seems to be attracted to money. It's a shame I have so little of the green stuff these days.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by cjhoude View Post

        It's that easy? You mean that all I have to do is become a bestselling author and every time I publish a short story I'll be rolling in the green stuff? Haha. In all seriousness though that's half the secret to being successful in anything. In my experience, anyway, money seems to be attracted to money. It's a shame I have so little of the green stuff these days.
        Kindle is just like every where else online. If people already know you and you have some sort of fanbase, you can't lose.

        But if you're completely unknown you run into a few problems. You lack momentum and it's tough to get the ball rolling.

        Every day on Facebook I see guys promoting their latest 'DatPiff' mix tape, and I can't help thinking Marshall Mathers has a HUGE advantage over them

        The same holds true for Fiverr, Amazon, eBay, etc etc. It's tough to break in, so it's going to take something really significant to do it. That's why for Kindle I suggest penning a classic!
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Kindle publishing is not hard as you think, it's easy to make good money you just need to take good steps in marketing. There are different free guides here on WF that explains every thing about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jessiewriter
    I spend a lot of time ghostwriting content for others, who have good results because they market well and do good research on what to publish in the first place.

    Very minimal marketing on my part has meant lackluster sales as of late, but in the past I've had good results with even minor promotion.

    If you write fiction, getting your book in front of reviewers makes a big difference.

    If you write nonfiction, having truly helpful and credible content AND having reviewers say so makes the biggest difference.

    These have been my experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I would not say it is easy. However, luck is definitely a part of the equation for us. For example, one book sold thousands of copies. However, another book sold only one. Publish many books and hope that one of them is a hit because you never know what life will bring you.

    Most people tell you to focus on the cover. This is good advice, but I also want you to focus on chapter one. Kindle offers a small snip. Perhaps you can use this to hook em. Ah, viewers we mean. Get them to click on that [BUY] button and order a copy. Also, I add images to the first few pages.

    Getting the first few reviews is a pain. A lot of people will buy your book and leave no reviews. Remember to ask friends to buy and review you. This is very important as people will use this information to decide if they want to buy a copy. Also, send free copies to major reviewers. They can really help your book move. All the best to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    With time and effort anything is easy. Writing kindle is all about making passive income. Time is needed for it though - Writing takes time and marketing takes time. If you want to earn a good living -- kindle publishing is truly a great way to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmcgaw
    Ditto on what Kecia said! Kindling is awesome - everything you need all in one place PLUS fabulous people that are always there to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    I wrote a non fiction ebook about a year ago and received $114 from amazon last week.....I did a lot of free downloads and had great reviews. I also had some people promoting it for me to their lists..... hmmm.... not so easy i dont think
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    • Profile picture of the author Norwegian76
      How long was this ebook Glenda?
      Did you send a long time reading it?
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Nothing is easy in the beginning. It’s hard to get reviews, and if your ebook is not selling and getting reviews, Amazon doesn’t promote it, and nobody trusts you.

    You have to write quality ebooks and use Amazon’s KDP Select to give away many copies for five days. The position of your ebook in Kindle stores depends on how many people will download your ebook during this offer.

    This means that you have to give away your ebook from the beginning, hoping to be able to sell it later. You also have to promote it yourself so that it may get attention.

    So, I wouldn’t say that it is easy to make money with Kindle, but everything becomes better if you will manage to get many good reviews and if you will write more ebooks. In other words, it takes time.






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  • Profile picture of the author drr
    Kindle is a dream for aspiring authors. In the old world, it used to be down to a publisher to decide the fate of a book. Today, thanks to the internet bringing power to the people, anyone with talent can pen a best seller.

    I feel sad thinking of the authors pre-Kindle days who may well have had good material that just didn't make it past the publishers red pen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Ray
    Kindle is an amazing platform!

    It's a bit of work to get the formatting right when you are starting out, but with a few tips it's a simple process and easily repeatable.

    The marketing process is straightforward, and Amazon makes that fairly simple, as well.

    As with all worthwhile efforts, it does require a bit of work, but it can pay very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    It can definitely be done because it's relatively easy to publish something on Kindle. Getting sales to your book is different. It depends a lot on the niche you are writing in, the topics you cover, the keywords you choose, etc.

    At least in my experience anyways. I have a few very successful books that bring in a few small sales every day, and others that get 1-2 sales a month. So really it all depends on the niche and your ability to market.
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    • Profile picture of the author McMissKathy
      It is hard work. Not only writing but marketing side of it comes into play. Seldom will you find an Author making much from one book. Its time consuming and can be tough at times.

      Write another book once you publish one but market those you do publish while you continue the writing process. It is an never-ending cycle. The more time you devote to it means you pick up more knowledge in how, where and when to market. Your writing skill improves greatly with each new book.

      Someone let this cat out of the bag claiming it was easy to make it big with kindle self publishing but don't believe it. The best advice you will ever receive is to learn everything that you possibly can about the business because it is a business.

      I see way too many jumping into the fire without the non-flammable clothing on getting burned. They know little about the business. They can't even format a book correctly without asking for help. This goes back to learning all you can about the business.

      I have fourteen books on Amazon under various pen names. A few never sell but once in a while. Others sell great. You never know what will actually sell until it is published.

      Don't let nobody kid you, "it ain't easy!"

      Kathy
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      • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
        Originally Posted by McMissKathy View Post

        It is hard work. Not only writing but marketing side of it comes into play. Seldom will you find an Author making much from one book. Its time consuming and can be tough at times.

        Write another book once you publish one but market those you do publish while you continue the writing process. It is an never-ending cycle. The more time you devote to it means you pick up more knowledge in how, where and when to market. Your writing skill improves greatly with each new book.

        Someone let this cat out of the bag claiming it was easy to make it big with kindle self publishing but don't believe it. The best advice you will ever receive is to learn everything that you possibly can about the business because it is a business.

        I see way too many jumping into the fire without the non-flammable clothing on getting burned. They know little about the business. They can't even format a book correctly without asking for help. This goes back to learning all you can about the business.

        I have fourteen books on Amazon under various pen names. A few never sell but once in a while. Others sell great. You never know what will actually sell until it is published.

        Don't let nobody kid you, "it ain't easy!"

        Kathy

        Personally I think that Kathy has given you the best advice so far! And if you take notice to most of the yeah it's easy answers, most have some sort of writing services or a Kindle product in their signature.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elvis Michael
    Finding a profitable angle can be tricky, but once you find it you're golden. You can go about it in different ways.

    Scenario A:
    You may decide to tap a tough and saturated genre or topic. You can still make a killing through old-fashioned promotion, networking, giving away free copies, building a FB fan base, and executing all the bells and whistles related to advertising.

    Scenario B:
    You can also take a slightly easier approach and dig for a tight niche. For example:

    1- Think of anything under the sun. And I mean *ANYTHING* - no matter how mundane that subject may be. Everything you believe, see, sense, hear, smell and touch can be a book topic. Hell, the more mundane or obscure the better.

    2- Search for that something on the Kindle marketplace, preferably sorting your results by 'Relevancy.' Are there any books about your chosen topic or at least somewhat related?

    3- How crowded is the space? How many results did you get? A few thousands is still considered an unsaturated market, generally speaking. But getting fewer book results from your search would be better, in many cases.

    4. Check out a few of those books, particularly the first two results pages. What's the average rank per book? If many of them are under #20,000, you may have found a good niche to write about. Note that this number is very subjective, but a book with a rank of #20,000 generally sells a few copies every single day.

    5. Are these books from well-known authors? Do they have tons of glowing reviews? Hopefully not; this means that the topic sells like hotcakes without being 'manipulated' by hot reviews and a well-known name.

    6. Congrats, you may have found a good topic. Start writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Short answer: a lot.

    Longer answer

    I stick to the broad "how-to" niche, but this year I plan on venturing into fiction.

    Let me tell you why how-to works well.

    Let's say, like me, you're a fan of the horror genre of fiction. You tend to exist on a pretty fixed diet of authors. In other words, you have your favorites. You read, King, Koontz, Laymon, Shann, so on and so on.

    But this doesn't apply to the how-to niche. Here, what you want is an answer to your question. And you really don't care who answers that question as long as you feel they can answer it well.

    How does all this translate? It means the barriers to entry in how-to niches are less and, therefore, substantial profits can be made.

    I could write an e-book myself on this subject (and I probably should, given my success), but here are a few pointers to consider:

    - Consider what questions really need answering. You can look at trends or use simple keyword tools. Now check if they have been adequately answered.

    - Examine sections of Amazon relating to how-to books. Look at areas with the greatest interest. Is there a sub-niche within them that is being ignored. Perhaps how to quit smoking is saturated, but perhaps "how to quit smoking by going cold turkey is not." Not a great example, I grant you, but you get the idea.

    - When writing in a niche, always use the same pen name. If you write in more than one niche, use a different pen name for each niche. Why? If someone likes your book at flower arranging, they may buy your next book on the same subject.

    I could go on, but these are just some thoughts I wanted to throw your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Donowhy
    What are some good ways to market your kindle book? A family friend of mine is actually an established author and sells a decent amount of hardcoppies in physical stores, but gets no revenue from the online (kindle) portion. He even has audio files of the book, and its an actual 400 page (hardcopy) scifi/midwestern book.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    The HARD work is finding the niche and laying out a promotions strategy. Everything else, including the writing, you can outsource. Of course, you have to provide GOOD VALUE and this is what separates people who outsource blindly from those who actually succeed. I mean, I can write a Kindle book for dirt cheap but if you want that book to succeed, you have to give me the info I need to take you where you need to go. In short, you can't just tell a writer to run with your idea, you have to provide the structure, the information infrastructure, the branding strategy, and a good writer will make it happen. Other than that, you are simply gambling. You have to be INVOLVED.
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