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Are you defragging yourself? I NEVER did, until now.

by Vikuna2009+
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So, after I got my 'puter' back from the shop, virus cleaned out and still alive, went to find some information about Microsoft Movie Maker and ended up on papa john dot org.

Started reading and was flabbergasted :confused:. I'm supposed to defragg it? Yep, never knew and now I understand that you are supposed to set it up to run automatically every night when you are sleeping so that you'll wake up with your 'baby' defragmented and ready to go!

Complete info is at his site, don't know if I am allowed to copy it and paste it here? Anybody knows?

Anyway, when I looked at mine, it is down to 6% usability ! To defragg succesfully, you are supposed to have 15%. I'm now defragging twice daily and will have to do so for a LONG time.

Did you all know of this the whole time or is it news to you as well? In my noob speek, can't really explain how all this works, maybe someone else wants to have a go at it?

Take care, Eva
#computer maintenance #defragging
  • Profile picture of the author Randy Bheites
    You don't need to defrag daily. Once every month or two is usually enough.

    This is an excellent FREE utility to keep your computer clean, humming, and bug-free:

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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Thanks for the link Randy. No? Not daily? I googled it and someone else said daily, how come you say only once a month? Please explain, thank you :confused:.
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        There is a lot that you should do with your computer that you don't know.

        In my opinion there is very little people that actually know what they should and should not do.

        I only know this because i've been reapiaring PC's from I was 12 years old. It's sad to see so many people don't truly have a clue what they are doing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jillian Slack
          Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

          There is a lot that you should do with your computer that you don't know.

          In my opinion there is very little people that actually know what they should and should not do.

          I only know this because i've been reapiaring PC's from I was 12 years old. It's sad to see so many people don't truly have a clue what they are doing.

          I'm surprised by the number of computer users who don't back up everything on their hard drive to an EXTERNAL hard drive on a regular basis.

          They don't give it a thought until AFTER something bad happens and they've lost important stuff on the computer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Randy Bheites
        Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

        Thanks for the link Randy. No? Not daily? I googled it and someone else said daily, how come you say only once a month? Please explain, thank you :confused:.

        How often should I defrag?
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Randy, is it "Smart defragg" or "Advanced SystemCare" that I am supposed to use? Again, thanks for the link.

        P.s. Many moons ago (1986) I lived in Pompano Beach. I LOVED the beaches but the humidity near "killed" me (I'm a frozen Swede). Had to go back to L.A., still here :p.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
          Dear Intrepreneur, did you really quit smoking, congrats to you . I quit once for 3 years, got stressed out and started again. Time to quit, I'm praying for you.

          In regards to your knowledge of what you "should" do, would you mind sharing with all of us warriors? If it's really time-consuming, maybe you could come up with an affordable WSO (with a FREEBIE to me for giving you the idea...).

          Anyway, please share freely.
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          • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
            Saint117, you are welcome!
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

        Thanks for the link Randy. No? Not daily? I googled it and someone else said daily, how come you say only once a month? Please explain, thank you :confused:.
        First off, do you know what fragmentation is?

        To explain it, let's think of your hard drive as a file drawer. And you went to get a book out of it.

        If it's fragmented, you might find page one in the top file drawer, page two in the next one down, page three is all the the way at the bottom, and so on. As you can see, it's going to take awhile to get that book.

        When you defrag, what you are basically doing is re-organizing the file cabinet, so your book now resides sequentially in the same spot (page one, then page two, and so on all in the same area of your file cabinet). Now you don't have to dig through the file cabinet looking for it, so it's much quicker getting it.

        Fragmentation on a hard drive only happens when files are deleted, and new ones replace 'em, so you don't need to do this every day. Doing it every day will only shorten the life of your hard drive.

        Clear enough?
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        • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
          Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

          Fragmentation on a hard drive only happens when files are deleted, and new ones replace 'em
          Woah, I don't know if that's true on my drive. Every time you change a word in a Word doc, or a bit of code in an html or css file, that is a fragment that can be joined back to the book (I like that analogy, that is good) when you defragment. At least that is what I thought, or does each file have extra space to accommodate changes like that as they are made?

          It is true that it doesn't have to be done every day. Depends how much you use the puter.
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          • Profile picture of the author BrandonMc
            Ummm..

            Part one - I want to meet Tom (even though you know that people don't care until something goes horridly wrong)

            Part two - Thee are no guarantees in life

            The data on a hard drive is stored/save in 8 - 16 - 32 bit chunks. Word documents can easily be spread out and put back together OK. In the case of video though, (that's alot of bits) defragging should be done more often without a doubt

            Everything is relative

            (just remember to back up
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            • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
              Thank you all for your great advice! Is it really true, can I defragg myself and kill my PC by over-doing it :confused:? Totally confused now, any help greatly apreciated!
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          • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
            Originally Posted by Lloyd Buchinski View Post

            Woah, I don't know if that's true on my drive. Every time you change a word in a Word doc, or a bit of code in an html or css file, that is a fragment that can be joined back to the book (I like that analogy, that is good) when you defragment. At least that is what I thought, or does each file have extra space to accommodate changes like that as they are made?

            It is true that it doesn't have to be done every day. Depends how much you use the puter.
            And what do you think the computer is doing when you do that?

            It overwrites the old file with the new one. Hence, the file got deleted and replaced.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Randy Bheites View Post

      You don't need to defrag daily. Once every month or two is usually enough.

      This is an excellent FREE utility to keep your computer clean, humming, and bug-free:

      IObit SystemCare | Computer Scan, Protection & Repair | Powerful PC Maintenance
      Thanks Randy ... nice utilities. Using them now.

      I agree ... daily is way too often to defrag. Monthly is fine
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  • Profile picture of the author Saint117
    I havnt defragged my pc in like 3 months and I normally dont do it too often. Thanks for reminding me though, I will do it tonight. But I dont think its necessary to do it every night.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve m
    I have mine on scheduled defrag every wednesday. Works for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author ken_p
      Originally Posted by steve m View Post

      I have mine on scheduled defrag every wednesday. Works for me.

      im curious about 'scheduled defrag' - does it mean that you have a reminder to defrag your pc every wednesday, or you have set up the pc to defrag every wednesday automatically ,if yes? how did you do it?i would like to try it for my pc.
      thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author AverageGuy
    defrag every week? frankly, if you have to do this to make your PC normal, then it means you browsered too many "bad" sites, just my 1 cent.


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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliate.Solutions
    I defrag and disk cleanup up each night at 0200. I also preform a backup at 0300.
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  • Profile picture of the author new2ebiz
    The only computer maintenance/security tasks I schedule every week is virus/adward/spyware scan and work file backup (which is set for every night). I check to see if my computer needs defrag'd only about twice a year since hard drives are much larger than in the 90's.

    The other task I do on about a monthly basis is dump programs I've tried and will never use and delete files I won't use. If I did not do this my hard drive would still fill up since I store a large number of photos and music.

    Most of the important 'computer security' programs and maintenance programs can be scheduled so you don't have to think about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloomerBeak
    I haven't defragged it for some time now, so I guess it's time to do so again. Thanks for the reminder.
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    • Profile picture of the author saintsguy
      Windows can tell you if your any of your drives need to be defragged.Here is a good tutorial Defrag Your Computer - How to Step by Step Defragment Your Computer
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    • Profile picture of the author BrandonMc
      Nerts to defragging!

      Well, yeah, defragging is good - but that is a utility I use for AOL users! (dare I mention having a restore point?)

      We all are aware of antivirus - anti spyware maintenance, but at any given second the hard drive motors could fail or a brown out could fry the hard drive circuits. If your not backing up - you FAIL!

      I deal with dead hard drives on a weekly basic, yet the response is always "yeah but... yeah but... yeah but... what about all my photos, my music, my ect..." "how can I get them back?"

      We can start with a $500 diagnostic fee and average $2000 extra to burn the info to a CD. From there you still need to get a new hard drive, reload the OS and programs.

      This is worst case scenario but it happens ALL the time!!!

      * - At least have a back up of the basic critical information (CDs, Servers, external drives)

      Even better is to have a second drive that you can back up to with a mirror image. The only good product (in my opinion) from Symantic is there Ghost program. It can make exact copies (compressed) or mirror images to another hard drive or CD or flash drive, or something similar. I'm sure there are plenty of comparable programs but the theory remains the same.

      Bottom line - if defragging is the top level maintenance you use on your computer - Well - sorry to say that you have hard times ahead.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

    I'm now defragging twice daily and will have to do so for a LONG time.
    It sounds like your puter just needs time to clear up the defrag backlog. I tend to do mine at least once a week but sometimes even that will take about 2 hours to clear up. Fortunately it can be done in the background very easily without slowing down forum browsing or other 'light on computer power activities' like working with text or code.

    I might even just turn off the monitor and leave the defrag going while I'm having lunch or taking a break.

    If you use vista, check start>accessories>system tools>disk cleanup which can free up a lot of space.

    There is just a bit of nasty evil lurking in the crevices of a computer, but mostly they are fun and I enjoy them.

    best wishes, lloyd
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    ps, just noticed your location. Near Oxnard are you? Did have some nice times there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Lloyd, about an hour away. I'm in the Los Angeles National forest at 3200 feet up and actually got snowed in last winter! Beautiful place though, even a lake (hint, hint).
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    If you arn't going to make a fully extensive guide anytime soon then im on it. This information for me is basic and i can easily teach it (i end up teaching my parents about it all the time and showed them remotely how to use system restore when something goes wrong).

    However my approach to security is very laid back because honestly 99% of virus's etc out there are small ones and don't really do any harm except cause your pc to run slower.

    I even use to offer a service way back to clean up peoples pc's and make them faster (remote connected to them) and charged around $20 an hour when i was only 15. Had a load of clients too and they all went away happy although some did worry about the security of the information on their pc and thought i could connect again anytime i wanted which of course i couldn't.

    Urrrrm this is giving me an idea for a service WSO now.... will have to look into it next week after ive completed my current WSO.

    Thanks for the mind squeeze

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    It sounds like defrag overkill in here. I've owned and used computers for several decades, and I defrag maybe once every 6 months. And sometimes I'll wait 6 months and find out that it doesn't even need it after 6 months. Of course it depends on usage - but my computers average 10 hrs of work every day. Defragging every day is definitely overkill. Even once a week is overkill in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Vikuna,

    Dont defrag daily or even weekly. It's only needed when you move/delete/create A LOT of files. And technically, it's not *needed* It just increases HD access and a tiny bit of free space.

    The things you *should* do:

    1. practice safe browsing/downloading
    2. make backups
    3. clean the dust out from the inside of the pc & around PS every 6 months



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    • Profile picture of the author chaos69
      First time poster, long time lurker through i'd finally thrown my 2 penneth worth....

      Defragging is NOT essential.

      Here's what happens. When you get your shiny new computer, and save a file to it, it will be written as one long file. Save anotehr, that will too. So you end up with [.......file1......][..file2..][....file3....]

      After a while, once you've deleted some files, saved others, deleted some more the space that has previously been allocated becomes free, and is used for other files - but what if they arent the exact same size? If you delete file1 above, and save a larger file you end up with...

      [.......file4......][..file2..][....file3....][...<--the rest of file4 here--->...]

      Evnetually you end up with bits and pieces all over the place.

      [..4..][3]..4..][2][..1..][..4..][..5..][..1..] etc

      You may see slight performance increase after not defragging for a few years, and then doing so. Doing it every day/week is overkill.

      And lets face it... if your using windows, you usually due a reformat/reinstall by then anyway!!

      We were told that defragging was essential on a (degree level) computer science course, but with enough envidence proved the lecturer wrong. Interesting to see that times havent changed and people are still spouting this nonsense (not directed at the op, at the site the information was on) :|

      As had been said though, you are much much much better off by taking regular backups. (<-- he says having not done one in ~3 months.... cya, gotta run!!!!)

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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    you do not need to defrag daily my friend.
    It is done, so the files that are less used move
    to the "back of the bus" so to speak.

    It increases perfomance a bit. But if you haven't
    done it a year or 2, you might be facing a serious problem.

    Just format and reinstall windows.

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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I just do it once monthly, then take it to a pc tune up place every 6 months
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
    i am writing an e-book on keeping your PC clean and running smoothly using free tools, it wont be done for a little while though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave777
    A few must have, must use Cool tools to help defragging yourself and other important cleanup related duties...

    Can you say FREE! and/or by the good ol' donation business model...
    http://www.defraggler.com/
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  • Profile picture of the author Shakul
    I just format and install windows every month or two. Doing this, my laptop keeps running at great speed. And I keep doing defragmentation every 15 days.

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    Edit: I just use Windows built in de-fragmentor
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
    "It increases perfomance a bit. But if you haven't
    done it a year or 2, you might be facing a serious problem."

    Igor, that IS my problem. My 'puter' is 5 years old and I have a LOT of stuff on it, including 1000's of photos.

    "The things you *should* do:

    1. practice safe browsing/downloading
    2. make backups
    3. clean the dust out from the inside of the pc & around PS every 6 months



    Garrie"

    What the hec** is safe browsing/downloading? How do you know if it is safe? No, I don't do porn, no obscurity, just regular stuff. This is getting complicated :-0

    "
    i am writing an e-book on keeping your PC clean and running smoothly using free tools, it wont be done for a little while though."

    Matt, PM me when ready! :-)

    "A few must have, must use Cool tools to help defragging yourself and other important cleanup related duties...

    Can you say FREE! and/or by the good ol' donation business model...
    http://www.defraggler.com/
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    Dave

    Thanks Dave, will check it out!

    "I just format and install windows every month or two. Doing this, my laptop keeps running at great speed. And I keep doing defragmentation every 15 days.

    Shakul

    Yes, just format and install ??????????? See, nobody ever taught me anything about computers so "just format and install" is total GREEK to me. Care to explain?






    The things you *should* do:

    1. practice safe browsing/downloading
    2. make backups
    3. clean the dust out from the inside of the pc & around PS every 6 months



    Garrie


    The things you *should* do:

    1. practice safe browsing/downloading
    2. make backups
    3. clean the dust out from the inside of the pc & around PS every 6 months



    Garrie
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  • Profile picture of the author CBSnooper
    I haven't defragged my computer in years and it still runs as quickly as the day I got it. I've installed loads of programs and downloaded loads of files and I've never suffed any problems at all like that.

    But then again, it is an iMac

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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by CBSnooper View Post

      I haven't defragged my computer in years and it still runs as quickly as the day I got it. I've installed loads of programs and downloaded loads of files and I've never suffed any problems at all like that.

      But then again, it is an iMac

      ;-)
      I'll bet you a coke if you defrag, you'll definitely notice a difference.

      You game?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Vikuna, just to get back to your original post, there are a lot of ways to free up disk space, since you mentioned being short of space to even do the defrag properly. Check for 'disk clean up' under system tools and run that. I assume you are using xp and I can't remember if it is called exactly that, but something like that.

    I like to go through my docs and desktop once in awhile and delete stuff that I am no longer interested in. Everything changes, even me. I started putting all my pdfs in one folder and it turned out I had 8 duplicates. That was just a small saving but just keeping things neat, clean and well organized is worth while. Have you emptied your recycle bin? I assume you did but I know of one person who didn't realize you had to do that and had the computer for a couple of years.

    When you are running your defrag, it will tell you when the job is done. It might be in just a subtle way like the 'defragment now' button is no longer grayed out and can now be clicked on. When that happens you are caught up and can go back to just once a week or whatever, less most people here are saying. I do it about once a week and it sometimes takes an hour or two to do the job so that isn't too often for me.

    A couple of the comments in this thread got me curious so I emptied the recycle bin, ran disk clean up, and then ran the defragmenter. Then I worked a couple of days without deleting a single file and double checked the recycle bin to make sure. Then I ran the defrag tool and it had a lot of work to do, so it seems like it isn't only needed when you delete files.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    Before you defrag, I suggest you schedule scandisk to fix potential problems.

    HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
    Lloyd, I spent quite some time deleting old word documents, publisher documents and downloaded software that I am no longer interested in, yesterday. Even wrote down how many KB, MB but did not bring out my calculator to add it all up :confused:.

    From what I understand, KB is the less space taken, duh :confused:. Gosh, I probably sound like an idiot but then again, I know so much more than "average Joe" then again, I know "nothing".

    Yes, I did empty my recycle bin :p! Maybe I am not so stupid after all. .
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
    Glenn, how do you schedule "scandisk"? Back to being "stupid" or should I just say un-informed or not knowledgable enough, lol? Please help me and everybody else out!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Harry Behrens
      Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

      Glenn, how do you schedule "scandisk"? Back to being "stupid" or should I just say un-informed or not knowledgable enough, lol? Please help me and everybody else out!!!
      Vikuna, Scandisk is a Windows application that searches for and fixes minor problems with your disk drive... prblems that usually crop up with a lot of use of the disk. Read here (taken from tech-faq.com, since I can't do links yet):

      How to Run Scan Disk in Windows 2000 and Windows XP

      * Press the <Start> button.
      * Click <My Computer>.
      * Highlight the disk which you want to scan for bad sector on the list of Hard Disk Drives.
      * Open the <File> menu and select <Properties>
      * Select the <Tools> tab.
      * Click the <Check Now...> button.

      How to Run Scan Disk in Windows Vista

      * Click the "Computer" icon.
      * Right click the drive you want to scan with Scandisk and select Properties.
      * Click on the "Tools" tab. Under the "Error-checking" section, click the "Check Now" button.
      * A window named "Check Local Disk" will appear. If you want to attempt to correct errors, check the "Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors" checkbox.
      * Click start. In Vista, it is required to schedule the Scandisk to make it run at boot time, as Vista has mechanisms which do not allow it to run while the system is operating.
      You will probably not notice much of a difference in speed as you might with defragging, but it does help to prevent certain problems down the road to run it every once in a while.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Originally Posted by hmbehrens View Post

        Vikuna, Scandisk is a Windows application that searches for and fixes minor problems with your disk drive... prblems that usually crop up with a lot of use of the disk. Read here (taken from tech-faq.com, since I can't do links yet):



        You will probably not notice much of a difference in speed as you might with defragging, but it does help to prevent certain problems down the road to run it every once in a while.
        Thank you for that !
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  • Profile picture of the author JoMo
    Think of defragging like changing the oil in your car. Once every 3 months or so is fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      I defrag once a month.. although aint no point in doing some of these things if you ain't using the right non-resource hogging programs, and a lot of other factors..

      You'd be surprised at some of the simple things people forget/ are too ignorant to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
        If you use Vista it defrags automatically.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjbalagosa
    I work as an IT Tech. I usually tell people to defrag once a month. That's pretty standard.

    But it really depends how much you save, download, or install new programs and files to your computer. I probably download and install stuff on mine more than the average person, so I have mine scheduled to run every 2 weeks.
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