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So if Paypal hates IM stuff, how come it's safe on JVZoo/Paygear/Digiresults?

by Kunj K
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I hear a lot about Paypal shutting down accounts because they don't like IM and home business offers.

But how do companies like the following still remain "safe" for people in the IM/make money niche?

JvZoo
Paygear
Digiresults
PayDotCom
Warrior Plus

I use Paygear. So every time I get a sale, I see the name of my product in Paypal. Let's call it 'Internet Money Method' as an example. Won't Paypal see that and shut me down at some point?

Or is it 100% safe to use the companies above for the IM/make money niche?
#hates #paypal #safe #stuff
  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Since when does Paypal hate IM crap? I sell SEO services for almost 2 years now and I never have any issue's with Paypal.

    Selling some $27 crappy eBook or buggy software and having a ton of refund requests, yeah then Paypal might not be too happy with your shady practices and ban your account.

    I'm not familiar with the lists you posted, perhaps they have their own refund policies that you can't get away from? In that case Paypal might be fine with that as it protects the customer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Since when does Paypal hate IM crap?.
      Case and point?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Now THAT is misinformation if I've ever heard it. Are you really naive enough to think that Paypal only shuts down accounts when they have a good cause???

        Sorry, but that's just not true. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a long list of entire websites devoted completely to stories about legitimate businesses getting shut down regularly for NO good reason whatsoever.
        Any huge company will make mistakes and I'm sure Paypal does that on occasion.

        However, those sites you list are full of old stories by people who don't seem to understand the rules of Paypal, didn't bother to learn how to use it...and several of those sites exist to sell you on using a different pay system.

        One thing I've noticed this holiday season is a huge increase of top online merchants now taking paypal for payment. Many sites where I used credit cards in the past have Paypal available this year.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Case and point?
        A bit poor worded I suppose as IM crap is probably what it hates, but it's not all crap when it involves IM and thus Paypal has no problems with that.

        I know cause I do everything through Paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    Hi Mark,

    Originally Posted by Mark Sequeira View Post

    I hear a lot about Paypal shutting down accounts because they don't like IM and home business offers.
    You obviously are hearing from the mis-informed.

    Not only are those services "Paypal only", but this forum (how much more IM-related can you get?) receives it's own revenue via Paypal. Just try to join the War Room (or any other paid section), or put up a WSO here on the Warrior Forum, to see for yourself.

    Paypal does have a pretty detailed TOS, so you should read that - but so does any other payment processor.

    Those who have run afoul of Paypal, are quick to blame the service - without first understanding what they did wrong. It's just easier to point the finger at "the other guy".

    Paypal does shut down accounts (as do all the other payment processors), but not without good cause - and it has NOTHING to do with Internet Marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

      Paypal does shut down accounts (as do all the other payment processors), but not without good cause - and it has NOTHING to do with Internet Marketing.
      The part I bolded isn't always true. They do close accounts w/out "good" cause. Most of the time it's because of a poor interpretation of the TOS/AUP by the under-trained employee.

      Sometime the account can be reinstated when this happens but not always.

      With that said, as a general rule PayPal does have "good" cause under the TOS/AUP.

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        Misread a post, and removed response as it was incorrect.
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    • Profile picture of the author ashloren
      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post


      Paypal does shut down accounts (as do all the other payment processors), but not without good cause - and it has NOTHING to do with Internet Marketing.
      Now THAT is misinformation if I've ever heard it. Are you really naive enough to think that Paypal only shuts down accounts when they have a good cause???

      Sorry, but that's just not true. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a long list of entire websites devoted completely to stories about legitimate businesses getting shut down regularly for NO good reason whatsoever.

      See screw-paypal.com, paypalsucks.com, aboutpaypal.com, paypalwarning.com, aspkin.com and many others.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

      Paypal does shut down accounts (as do all the other payment processors), but not without good cause - and it has NOTHING to do with Internet Marketing.
      Yes and no.

      Bizopps that teach you to sell bizopps are technically banned from PayPal (they consider it to be a never ending cycle with no actual product). They seem to look the other way as long as your buyers aren't submitting disputes though. Once that happens you're done.

      One guy that was banned last year recorded the call.
      Here's the mp3 file he released:
      http://anthonyaires.com/PayPalcall.mp3
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      • Profile picture of the author retirewithsandie
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post


        Those who have run afoul of Paypal, are quick to blame the service - without first understanding what they did wrong. It's just easier to point the finger at "the other guy".

        Paypal does shut down accounts (as do all the other payment processors), but not without good cause - and it has NOTHING to do with Internet Marketing.
        There are people on this very forum, I mean NAMES, not just someone who turned on their computer for the first time ever yesterday & decided to go into IM who have had funds frozen/been banned etc. There are detailed posts and of course the post above about Anthony.

        And there are people who will tell you that you have to call PP before doing a big launch to stay out of trouble. And then there are those who HAVE done so & stated their accounts were put on hold still.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hi,

    JV Zoo, Warrior + etc are well known, respected and trusted brands
    for that kind of stuff.

    It's a bit different when someone completely unknown tries to sell
    the same kind of product that isn't perceived as having real value
    and ends up being requested for a bunch of refunds.

    All the best
    Gavin
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Originally Posted by Mark Sequeira View Post

    I hear a lot about Paypal shutting down accounts because they don't like IM and home business offers.

    But how do companies like the following still remain "safe" for people in the IM/make money niche?

    JvZoo
    Paygear
    Digiresults
    PayDotCom
    Warrior Plus
    Because one company does or doesn't do something, doesn't mean another has to follow suit. PayPal has set their own policies. I've never heard of them not liking IM stuff though.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Paypal hates high refund rates and shady behavior in general. "IM" is full of unethical ppl selling trash and thus the entire community gets a bad rep for it. If you sell a quality product and your refund rates arent too high because you take of your customers then PayPal allows you to make money selling anything that's legal. I'm no lawyer or anything though so don't take my word for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    Sid Hale and I both have created software that use PayPal as the only payment processor. JVZoo, PayDotCom and all the other affiliate/vendor platforms as well as Sid and I do our best to comply with all of PayPal's terms of service.

    All these systems kind of force the users to do the right things. But, you can still do things that violate PayPal's terms of service and get your PayPal account limited or have to have an increased reserve or even get your account closed. There are certain limits that you can reach that will have PayPal do an evaluation of your account.

    One is reaching the $20,000 a month level and PayPal will contact you for a closer examination of you and your company.

    This is a good thing as your reserves should go down after this evaluation.

    The bottom line is that PayPal is reliable and becoming common place in brick and morter businesses. So I see PayPal as a great partner and try to do my best to be fare and square with all my partners.

    We trust PayPal enough to base our entire living on them and their system.

    I hope this is helpful,
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    • Profile picture of the author ashloren
      Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

      We trust PayPal enough to base our entire living on them and their system.
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      It's a huge mistake to trust ANY one company, person or entity with your entire living. I'm surprised someone successful like yourself doesn't realize this. Good luck when something goes wrong with Paypal (for reasons you can't control). I hope you have a back up plan and are able to recover, or you'll be sh*t out of luck when that happens.
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      • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
        Originally Posted by ashloren View Post

        It's a huge mistake to trust ANY one company, person or entity with your entire living. I'm surprised someone successful like yourself doesn't realize this. Good luck when something goes wrong with Paypal (for reasons you can't control). I hope you have a back up plan and are able to recover, or you'll be sh*t out of luck when that happens.
        Excellent point! That's why I'm trying to spread my eggs around. Sites like Paypal, eBay, Amazon, etc can yank someone's business right out from under them with no warning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I hear a lot about Paypal shutting down accounts because they don't like IM and home business offers.
    I think the origin of this statement are people who want to scam other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amod Oke
    Who says its only IM crap... go over to those paypal hate sites and you will see a tonof other "businesses" crying foul...
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    I don't think it hates IM, paypal just doesn't want to be held responsible.

    So anytime you are trying to get away with something shady get ready to have your account freezed.
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