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10 years ago

It absolutely depends on what you're looking to have added into the elements you speak of improving. I'm afraid you'll have to embellish a little bit more. If you look to get any kind of advice.

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Jack Gordon

10 years ago

I have an idea for a better toilet paper. I can't really give away my secrets at this point, but it is going to be WAY more functional than anything in the marketplace now. It will incorporate features on both the front and back end (ha!) that will make Charmin think "why didn't WE do that?"

Now, I have never actually made toilet paper before. But this is a really great idea. Who's up for doing the hard part for me?

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HN

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

I have an idea for a better toilet paper. I can't really give away my secrets at this point, but it is going to be WAY more functional than anything in the marketplace now. It will incorporate features on both the front and back end (ha!) that will make Charmin think "why didn't WE do that?"

Now, I have never actually made toilet paper before. But this is a really great idea. Who's up for doing the hard part for me?

Are you getting paid for this?

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Jack Gordon

10 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

Are you getting paid for this?

A better, more modern toilet paper will benefit humanity. It is not always about the money.

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HN

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

A better, more modern toilet paper will benefit humanity. It is not always about the money.

I am not talking about toilet pepper. I am wondering why waste time and bother to reply to OP unless you are getting paid? Can't resist the temptation?

Well, it was somewhat funny, but why won't you save the jokes for comedy show? You could submit them for free if it's not about the money

EDIT: Oh, I got it. It's about getting your signature links out there. I tend to forget, this is how some people market their stuff. That explains it. Ok then, forget about it.

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Jack Gordon

10 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

I am not talking about toilet pepper. I am wondering why waste time and bother to reply to OP unless you are getting paid? Can't resist the temptation?

Well, it was somewhat funny, but why won't you save the jokes for comedy show? You could submit them for free if it's not about the money

EDIT: Oh, I got it. It's about getting your signature links out there. I tend to forget, this is how some people market their stuff. That explains it. Ok then, forget about it.

ok, you asked a serious question, I'll give a serious answer.

Somebody comes onto the forum, and with his very first post makes a derogatory comment about the usability of the #1 publishing platform (by far). Says he's got ideas that would be "much" better, but has no idea how to do it. Then solicits for others to actually bring his vision to fruition.

Possible? Sure. Outrageously unbelievable? Yeah. Zero credibility plus "big" vague ideas and a hint of arrogance do not inspire the most altruistic side of me.

Clearly, this guy did no research whatsoever, because many people (including me) have addressed this kind of question countless times on the forum. In fact, I think I just did within the last few days.

Ideas are a dime a dozen. Put your friggin money where your mouth is. OP is looking for a knight on a white horse to scoop him up, do all his work, and probably market it too. That ain't gonna happen.

He implies he's got money. That, plus an hour or two on this forum, would give him more actionable leads than he could possibly hope to follow.

If he can't take a little sarcasm on a forum meant to push him into doing some of his own damn homework, then he's destined to do great in business.

As for your expert (yet irrelevant) analysis of my intentions, I appreciate the afternoon chuckle. Yeah, that is exactly why I do what I do. You gonna buy something, or did I just waste the last 5 minutes of my life?

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Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

ok, you asked a serious question, I'll give a serious answer.

Somebody comes onto the forum, and with his very first post makes a derogatory comment about the usability of the #1 publishing platform (by far). Says he's got ideas that would be "much" better, but has no idea how to do it. Then solicits for others to actually bring his vision to fruition.

Yes, I 've also seen these kind of posts many times before.
Why not leave the guy wondering why he's not getting any replies, instead of wasting everyone's time by bumping it? I mean the guy doesn't even know that WP is built in PHP. And why then waste even more time explaining the obvious? 5 minutes? I dunno, I think, a lot more than that. Looks more like 5 and a half minutes of your precious time.

BTW, cool working demo!

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Tom B

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

If he can't take a little sarcasm on a forum meant to push him into doing some of his own damn homework, then he's destined to do great in business.

As for your expert (yet irrelevant) analysis of my intentions, I appreciate the afternoon chuckle. Yeah, that is exactly why I do what I do. You gonna buy something, or did I just waste the last 5 minutes of my life?

Slow down skippy. He posted here to start his analysis. You wasted your time and ours.

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Tom B Banned 10 years ago

OP, you are asking a very open ended question.

I know there is a lot of gurus trying to make it sound like creating software is easy. Well, if it were easy then there wouldn't be so many software projects failing or close to failing.

If you want to get into software, try developing a piece of software that does one specific task. Start out small and slowly add more complexity.
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joseph7384

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

A better, more modern toilet paper will benefit humanity. It is not always about the money.

That was hilarious, too funny.

Originally Posted by HN

I am not talking about toilet pepper. I am wondering why waste time and bother to reply to OP unless you are getting paid? Can't resist the temptation?

Well, it was somewhat funny, but why won't you save the jokes for comedy show? You could submit them for free if it's not about the money

EDIT: Oh, I got it. It's about getting your signature links out there. I tend to forget, this is how some people market their stuff. That explains it. Ok then, forget about it.

Sarcasm is very easy to spot, looks like it went way over your head.

To me it didn't seem that sig exposure was his purpose and if you can't see that then you really need to join the OP in the land of OZ.

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joseph7384

10 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

EDIT: Oh, I got it. It's about getting your signature links out there. I tend to forget, this is how some people market their stuff. That explains it. Ok then, forget about it.

I just couldn't leave this alone without adding that if you are going to accuse someone of self promoting from signature exposure, you surely better not have skeletons in your closet.

Here are 3 separate threads where you blatantly promote your keyword tool, not in your sig but a blatant text link in your post.

You did it here, here and here.

That was just today alone.

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Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

I just couldn't leave this alone without adding that if you are going to accuse someone of self promoting from signature exposure, you surely better not have skeletons in your closet.

Here are 3 separate threads where you blatantly promote your keyword tool, not in your sig but a blatant text link in your post.

You did it here, here and here.

That was just today alone.

First of all you mean this was just during the last few months.
So posting to the JV forum where people look for partners and describing my project or offering a free account in another thread to the other guy or otherwise posting in relevant threads is BAD.
But bumping a useless thread again and again is FINE.
Well, I can't thank you enough for your time and the lesson. I guess this is why I still get back here once or twice a year. You can always learn something new from people who are so helpful.

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joseph7384

10 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

First of all you mean this was just during the last few months.
So posting to the JV forum where people look for partners and describing my project or offering a free account in another thread to the other guy or otherwise posting in relevant threads is BAD.

Firstly one was in the JV thread, but the other two were in the main forum. Listen I'm not the internet police but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Originally Posted by joseph7384

Firstly one was in the JV thread, but the other two were in the main forum. Listen I'm not the internet police but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

That's why you spy on people? Cool.
Haven't a thought, that I was being sarcastic in the first place as well, ever crossed your mind?
If you are here for the sake of humor or sarcasm or to laugh at other people, here's a joke for you which is relevant to this thread.

A man walks into a store and asks for pepper.
"Black pepper or red pepper?" asks the seller.
"Toilet pepper."

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kanuck564 10 years ago

Thanks all for the good advise.

Just to clarify a couple of things, i am aware that WordPress uses php, mysql..I wasn't sure if there was some underlying platform it was written on top of/in conjunction with.
Thanks for clearing that up

I have done some research...and am actively continuing to do so, however this too is part of my research. I am not looking for anyone to drop down from the heavens and hand me a packaged ready to market product...I was looking for more information in the process of making such an animal, what kind of specialties to seek, and perhaps some suggestions on what kind of programming would best be suited...and you all have answered my questions... albeit in bits and pieces with a smattering of bad mouthing and I thank-you again.

I am not an expert in this field, that much is obvious, I am an expert in two other fields, hence, I ask people in the field who are the experts and/or have experience with such a process, what they think.

I appreciate the serious replies, they were quite educational and you have answered all my questions and more!

...and to those who feel the need to magnify my shortcomings through self gratifying ridicule, and clever sarcasm...I say to you..Have a nice weekend
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piardog 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

A better, more modern toilet paper will benefit humanity. It is not always about the money.

Will there be a crossword puzzle on every sheet?
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Zeus66

10 years ago

If you're Canadian, I'm afraid it's not allowed. It's not polite enough.

Sow-ree.

Just kidding... I would go ask in the programming section of this forum: Programming Talk

Some of those geeks... er, folks... are very helpful with just this sort of thing.

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BlindRabbit

10 years ago

Originally Posted by kanuck564

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum...i like. There seems to be a wealth of knowledge and talent here.

I have an idea for a wysiwyg website builder with a twist. Not the regular dollar store one you get all over the net, or the free ones that look terrible and function the same. The ideas that I have are immense...I want to incorporate a tone of functionality and flexibility both ends, automation in common problem areas on the back-end and a front end that will make wordpress say 'why didn't we do that?' (i hope) This will be a big program.

The problem...I don't know where to start, obviously I need a code genius to get this together, who should I be looking for, a programmer, engineer, or a developer? What can this be written in? What is wordpress and joomla written in?

A project this big will cost some serious cash i would imagine and take a while to develop...any educates estimates on this?

I don't think freelance writer from India is a good way to go, but freelance none the less, looks to be the path to take as long as they are from developed countries.

Partnering or part ownership is also an option, dangerous, but an option.

Your input is welcomed.

Cheers!

Hi, I'm a software developer.
Have you done your research? For example look how easy it is to build a website using Weebly. Its REALLY easy.

Also, have you considering if what your trying to do even technically possible? Might want to run the idea by some developers.

Remember Ali G inventing the hoverboard? You don't want to be in that kind of scenario.

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Taniwha

10 years ago

Something like Headway Themes?

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trajek

10 years ago

Writing software is complicated. Alot of times ideas dont take into account unknowns. And with software there is always alot of unknowns! I would start off by detailing EXACTLY what these ideas are. Make this document so easy to read that a 10 year old can read it and understand it. Then have someone else knowedgable go over it with you to point out the mistakes you didnt see. Thats your first step. Next step would be to find someone willing to make it for you.

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Brandon Tanner

10 years ago

Originally Posted by kanuck564

A project this big will cost some serious cash i would imagine and take a while to develop...any educates estimates on this?

You want to hire a dev team to build a CMS that's as complex as WordPress... from scratch? You don't even want to know what that would cost.

WordPress has a large team of developers who have been building it for over 10 years now.

If you want to do something of a similar scale, you better have really deep pockets. As in... "start talking to venture capitalists" deep.

Even if you can afford to fund a project that big, it would be really stupid to take on something of that magnitude for your very first project.

Get some small projects under your belt first.... learn how to do market research, learn all the ins and outs of outsourcing / project management, hire and fire as much as you have to, so that you wind up with a damn good team ... before you start "swinging for the fence". Otherwise... unless you get really lucky... you'll just be setting yourself up for an epic failure.

Contrary to popular belief... a product does not have to be complex / expensive to create, in order to be successful. It simply has to fill a need that people are willing to pay for, and marketed well.

So my advice to you would be to start small... learn the ropes, learn about marketing, make a few bucks online FIRST, and see how everything works, before you start dreaming about that one product that will finance your multi-million dollar beach home and exotic sports car collection.

-My 2 cents (from someone who's outsourced and managed many projects over the years).

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onSubie

10 years ago

I was about to post the same as Brandon.

Some ideas to start:

An interface that beats Wordpress?
Why not start with a WP plugin that implements some of your ideas in Wordpress to see A) if they work and B) if there is a market?

You could probably do this with a lot of ideas.

Outsourcing to a "code genius" is possible because a lot of PHP coders are targeting the WP builders market.

Or an application that builds only simple sites- like say a sales-funnel:

Opt-ins->exit-pops->sales-pages->thank-yous->downloads

If your front-end/back-end ideas work in a limited environment you will learn a lot about expanding to a more comprehensive application.

But to compete with what is already out there is a tough haul because it is not simply a matter of "building a better mouse trap".

Just ask everyone who has developed a "better" operating system than Windows.

You mentioned Wordpress- people know the interface, thousands of plugins are already available, it is has a strong brand and is free.

Mahlon

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TatiW3B

10 years ago

Originally Posted by kanuck564

What is wordpress and joomla written in?

I'm sorry but I agree with the other posters in this thread, harsh as some of them may be. If you can't even do a little bit of research to find out that these are both open-source CMS coded in PHP and use mySQL (pronounced "my sequel" by the way) databases, how do you expect to turn an idea into a profitable product?

My suggestion is to get your nose in the books, do some extensive research on business. Not even on coding, just BUSINESS. Do some research on startups. Do some research on product creation. Get to know what you want to get into, and get to know it well. Then, and only then, will people start to take you seriously and want to do business with you when you approach them with an idea.

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Jack Gordon

10 years ago

awww, this saddens me.

Well, it is hilarious first, then sad. Actually, let's go with ironic, then hilarious, then sad. That feels about right.

Please don't get yourself banned before clicking on my links

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savidge4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by kanuck564

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum...i like. There seems to be a wealth of knowledge and talent here.

I have an idea for a wysiwyg website builder with a twist. Not the regular dollar store one you get all over the net, or the free ones that look terrible and function the same. The ideas that I have are immense...I want to incorporate a tone of functionality and flexibility both ends, automation in common problem areas on the back-end and a front end that will make wordpress say 'why didn't we do that?' (i hope) This will be a big program.

The problem...I don't know where to start, obviously I need a code genius to get this together, who should I be looking for, a programmer, engineer, or a developer? What can this be written in? What is wordpress and joomla written in?

A project this big will cost some serious cash i would imagine and take a while to develop...any educates estimates on this?

I don't think freelance writer from India is a good way to go, but freelance none the less, looks to be the path to take as long as they are from developed countries.

Partnering or part ownership is also an option, dangerous, but an option.

Your input is welcomed.

Cheers!

Having developed some online hotel reservation systems in my day, I know a bit about software development. I would say to start and Engineer and 3-4 programmers, and something a little more substantial in the idea of the end product you are looking at 2 years of production... somewhere in the $1,000,000 category, and that's if everyone is on the up and up.

At some point after the first year, when the pieces are starting to make sense, you would start thinking of the marketing. for a year after production you are going to develop the market, figure out how and where to sell it that kind of good stuff, and then off to market you go.

Your business will be bleeding out all sides. After 3 years the project should be $3,000,000 in the red. Once you goto market, you might get $99 a crack, but probably less so say $75 each. You only have to sell 40,000 of them, and that's not including years 4 and 5's expense.

Passion makes a man do stupid things, but passion is what brings him through to the other side. Good luck with it, Ill buy a copy when its ready!

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HN

Banned 10 years ago

Well, let's see if you are serious. I do already have my own custom built CMS. In fact all my websites are running on my custom CMS. I've never used WP or any other CMS and here's why.

I know it's easy to download an existing WP theme, probably a free one, but you never know what's inside. So, instead of spending time analyzing and fixing some WP theme (that's hundreds of php files) I created my own custom CMS. It's lightweight and I know exactly what each function does, so I don't have to figure out someone else's code if I need to change something.

Also, I intend to give it away for free, not really interested to sell it, in order to grow user base. A link at the bottom of each free copy will do it for me, much more than a one time payment of $97. Designers can however create and sell templates for my CMS.

I can set up the demo on one of my unused domains.

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