Stop looking for shortcuts

by Zeus66
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This is for people genuinely looking to start and grow a serious IM business. If you're just knocking around looking for some extra cash here and there, more power to ya! Don't take anything I say as disparaging what you do. It's all good.

But if you are serious and you keep fluttering around from "next big thing" to "next big thing," just stop. Take it from someone who did that at one time. I'm not throwing stones in glass houses here.

Focus all of your energy and resources on 3 activities:
  1. Create your own products
  2. Put them into sales funnels
  3. Build trust and market to your email list of buyers
Becoming the owner/seller is the separation you need. Consider McDonald's franchises. Who makes the real money in that setup while working the least? The franchise owner.

In fact, McDonald's Corporation, who issues the franchise licenses, actually makes out the best, but you see what I mean.

It doesn't matter what you're niche is. It's the same 3 core activities. You can do it all yourself or hire it out and let your staff flip the burgers. Either way is still better than toiling away and skipping around from new thing to new thing.

You end up either never finishing what you start, or you finish and the money only trickles in.

Get some real skin in the game! Put your name on what you sell. Push your face out there and yeah, it might get slapped now and then. Big freaking deal! If someone promised you a rose garden, you bought a lie.

A funny thing happens when you become the creator and seller of your own products. As long as they're good, you build a following. It snowballs. After the first couple, sales come more frequently, even when you raise your prices.

Affiliates start taking note and promoting... that's when the big leap happens.

Now you've got a hefty email list of actual buyers of YOUR stuff! You're missing the boat here if you don't see how powerful that is.

Think "real" businesses cultivate and market to their previous customers? Duh!

Imitate what works: make GOOD stuff, sell more than one at a time (funnel), sell more stuff to those people via email.

That's the blueprint.

Stop flitting around like you've got helium up your butt. Embrace reality, turn off the distractions, and start building something real.

The money that follows is like a law of nature. It has to happen.
#shortcuts #stop
  • Profile picture of the author julianaS
    How to create your own product if you are new with limited knowledge? How to build trust with the list?

    The question is. Where and how to gain knowledge for the 3 activities mentioned
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyler Pratt
      Originally Posted by julianaS View Post

      How to create your own product if you are new with limited knowledge? How to build trust with the list?

      The question is. Where and how to gain knowledge for the 3 activities mentioned
      Like my mentor Less Brown says "The How To's Are Non Of Your Business"

      Just get started and you will figure out the howtos
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      • Profile picture of the author lucidzfl
        Originally Posted by Tyler Pratt View Post

        Like my mentor Less Brown says "The How To's Are Non Of Your Business"

        Just get started and you will figure out the howtos
        I think what you meant is "the howtos are none of your business.... but for the low low price of 49.95" ....
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  • Profile picture of the author julianaS
    Like my mentor Less Brown says "The How To's Are Non Of Your Business"

    Just get started and you will figure out the howtos
    thanks for the answer. I believe thru this way we've to go thru lots of trials and errors and most give up. This is the real problem.

    Anyone has any suggestion a better way to learn up?
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    • Profile picture of the author Charmed Life
      Originally Posted by julianaS View Post

      thanks for the answer. I believe thru this way we've to go thru lots of trials and errors and most give up. This is the real problem.

      Anyone has any suggestion a better way to learn up?
      If you're just starting out, then my advice would be to start as an affiliate in your chosen niche. Build your business and get to know your list and their buying habits. If you establish a website around your niche then you will get ideas about what products you could produce yourself from the feedback you get on your website. For example, look at the comments people leave on your articles and blogs - do the same questions come up over and over again? Could you write and sell an ebook answering those questions and adding an in-depth, bigger solution? Could you then build up to writing and delivering your own e-course? Start small, but look at the bigger picture

      The key when you are making your own products is to over-deliver. This means that you have to go above and beyond the basics, to provide real value for money. This will build trust in your own brand and will give people an added incentive to buy your products.

      I hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author kingde
      Originally Posted by julianaS View Post

      thanks for the answer. I believe thru this way we've to go thru lots of trials and errors and most give up. This is the real problem.

      Anyone has any suggestion a better way to learn up?
      A lot of people here are suggesting you need to learn to teach an Internet marketing technique before you can create a product.

      I think the main problem with the mindset here (most of the time), is that people want the quickest (even if it's dirty) way to some $$, so they'll resort to tricking whatever systems and desperate/gullible searchers that will allow them to reach that.

      If you want a more solid approach which is really all about you and what you have to offer, then I would take the advice to create a product.

      I've realized there are several layers of learning curves to build yourself up to really being a player in a particular market. And yet, just doing it is good advice, but the people who are accomplishing things seem to forget that there's little seeds of insight that are indispensable to (somewhat) believing that you aren't going off on a terrible long detour to your goal.

      I think the most fundamental advice is to just think to yourself "what can I show someone how to do?"

      I always think of it this way. Everyone dismisses tying your shoe as something everyone knows. Well babies and toddlers don't know.
      So just use that model and ramp it up.. what else do you know that other people don't know.
      And just lay it out in a how to document or video.
      Just doing that is 'experiential knowledge' and will finally get you on to a real path to business. Trying to sift through mounds of ebooks and videos for the ultimate trick is really not of value if you don't know what you are promoting.
      Why promote other people's business? Promote your own!

      So that leads to the main thing you should always have.. no matter what level you are at. Always have an offer!

      Even if it is a free offer for a checklist, or a list of resources.
      Even if nobody ever takes you up on it. Just have an offer.
      Once you have it.. then it's always just a matter of spicing it up as you learn more ideas and learn more about what people want and need.

      Having an offer at least positions you slightly above the info seeker waiting to start.

      That's something a lot of 'behind the scenes' IMers don't do.. which is position themselves in a market.

      Whenever you see those anonymous sales pages, whether you realize it or not, there are people wondering, Who did this? and then they just position in their mind the 'kind' of person who would do that.

      Why not intentionally position yourself instead of accepting the de-facto positioning that people unconsciously give you?

      So anyway, you have an offer and something to show people.

      Just keep adding to it.

      The tech (web) and design (graphics) should be the least of your worries.. although I believe in something called "imputed values" which is basically saying.. whatever you present.. that's what people will assume how you do "everything"!

      So if you are really an underground kind of person, then an underground looking website makes sense.

      But try to find something that really represents you in accuracy, aesthetics and design but no need to go overboard and impress too much.

      If you really are in the early stages but can still represent your style somewhat, then that's pretty transparent.. so go for it.

      I think assembling ideas and packaging them can take some trials and errors.

      To me the most valuable thing you can have in your development is some very objective and thorough feedback.. and always take the bad news as next step, take action news! Think hard and then take it to the next level.

      Family and friends who say.. it's great.. actually aren't helping you at all!

      One of the warriors named Sean Mize had some great blog posts and emails will connected some major dots for me on how to create value from coaching and creating a product, even from the lowest starting point.. "What can you show someone how to do!"

      He has an outlining method for products which made total sense to me and his article about offering coaching to make selling products easier kind of clinched it for me.

      I hope this helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by julianaS View Post

        How to create your own product if you are new with limited knowledge? How to build trust with the list?
        Originally Posted by kingde View Post

        A lot of people here are suggesting you need to learn to teach an Internet marketing technique before you can create a product.

        I think the main problem with the mindset here
        There is the answer: the problem is with the mindset - when everybody assumes that you can create and sell online ONLY the so-called internet marketing products... for which the correct name would MMO = Make Money Online.

        Guys, the world is way bigger than the MMO niche. From the proverbial dog training to quilt-making... and everything in between.

        Why are you limiting yourself to this one very narrow niche?

        John didn't say anything that you must be in the MMo niche. He just said: make your own product and sell it.
        :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

          Errr because thats called thinking outside the box and most are too busy trying to sell shovels to the gold diggers.
          you have obviously not gotten to know the majority of Warriors - many of who have nothing to do with selling MMO products -
          many of us warrior members don't even rely on the Warrior forum for our living - so quit with the blanket statements - ok? I, for one, resent them.

          if you have had a bad experience with certain warriors selling you crap - then it would behoove you to take it up with them individually. - don't go spreading your discontent all over these boards, please. It's getting old.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

            And OP is doing what exactly?

            in my opinion, John's post was meant to inspire - many of us over-complicate things - the post reminded us to focus on the fundamentals - and nothing else.
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            • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
              Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

              It came across to me like he was talking crap. You find crap inspirational?

              let's just agree to disagree - ok?

              and I promise the rest of you that I will stop feeding the trolls.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    If you're new and don't know those things yet, I would say to work toward it. My post was really meant for folks who've been around a while and know a lot already, but just keep skipping around and never really sticking with just one thing to build a business around.

    There's a place for things like affiliate marketing, CPA, blogging, etc. And of course lots of people make full-time livings doing those things. I'd recommend that you go begin your education with something like that. Get really good at something.

    Once you do, guess what? You're ready to put out a product about it and do the things I talked about above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Chest beating? That's hilarious. I forgot how silly this forum gets sometimes.

    Thanks for your input.

    And yeah, I am saying just do it. In the end, no matter what you do you're just doing it. If all you got from my post was "just do it," though, I feel kinda sorry for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

      Why not take my critique and use it to improve your post?
      I think it needs more meat. That is, some solid steps and also some ideas and examples.
      Because your "critique" was silly. If you have more meat to add to what I posted, I'm sure everyone will appreciate you taking the time to give the details for free.

      I'm always amused by people who think this forum should include hundreds or thousands of dollars' worth of free coaching.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidkings
        There was great value in Zeus's post. That is a successful model of marketing he has outlined, yet many don't even do this. Yes he has outlined it, but he has given the main part.

        How would we introduce coaching (1 on 1, per hour, skype)
        Zeus, in them funnels, of products, how would you adivse a coaching program to be offered to them email subscribers? (made up of freebie seekers, and buyers of low ticket items)

        offer 1 program to the whole list?,
        or use a squeeze page to segment people interested in coaching? (what type of squeeze page if so)

        or use a survey instead?

        can you please outline a mini funnel please,
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        • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
          Originally Posted by davidkings View Post


          How would we introduce coaching (1 on 1, per hour, skype)
          Zeus, in them funnels, of products, how would you adivse a coaching program to be offered to them email subscribers? (made up of freebie seekers, and buyers of low ticket items)

          offer 1 program to the whole list?,
          or use a squeeze page to segment people interested in coaching? (what type of squeeze page if so)

          or use a survey instead?

          can you please outline a mini funnel please,
          Coaching usually won't sell on the front end... it can, but much depends on having an amazing sales page and/or a "warmed up" audience who either knows you well (and your successes) or was referred to your page by someone who recommended you and whom they trust.

          If that's not you, then I'd recommend not including coaching in a funnel until the back end. Make it your end point in the funnel.

          If you're throwing freebie seekers into the top (front) of your funnel (solo ads, Google organic traffic, ad swaps), you'll probably either have to or want to give something away as the front-end product.

          After they click the submit button on your squeeze page opt-in, hit them with a special offer/upsell/OTO to turn some of the freebie takers into buyers. Low cost on that one is best. Ease them into paying you.

          In a good funnel, you'll include a downsell for those who turn down your upsell. Something of good value but for dirt cheap so you can try to make at least a little money from otherwise lost traffic.

          More elaborate funnels include multiple upsells, but you have to be careful there about annoying your audience with too many BUY NOW messages. It depends on where your traffic is coming from and how likely it is that they come into your funnel believing you're someone to learn or buy from.

          I'd offer coaching in this scenario only after I had them on my list and worked a little to win them over. If you offered low-cost coaching, not so much, but if it's hundreds or thousands of dollars, it's definitely best to build trust and authority before you make that pitch.
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          • Profile picture of the author davidkings
            Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

            Coaching usually won't sell on the front end... it can, but much depends on having an amazing sales page and/or a "warmed up" audience who either knows you well (and your successes) or was referred to your page by someone who recommended you and whom they trust.

            If that's not you, then I'd recommend not including coaching in a funnel until the back end. Make it your end point in the funnel.

            If you're throwing freebie seekers into the top (front) of your funnel (solo ads, Google organic traffic, ad swaps), you'll probably either have to or want to give something away as the front-end product.

            After they click the submit button on your squeeze page opt-in, hit them with a special offer/upsell/OTO to turn some of the freebie takers into buyers. Low cost on that one is best. Ease them into paying you.

            In a good funnel, you'll include a downsell for those who turn down your upsell. Something of good value but for dirt cheap so you can try to make at least a little money from otherwise lost traffic.

            More elaborate funnels include multiple upsells, but you have to be careful there about annoying your audience with too many BUY NOW messages. It depends on where your traffic is coming from and how likely it is that they come into your funnel believing you're someone to learn or buy from.

            I'd offer coaching in this scenario only after I had them on my list and worked a little to win them over. If you offered low-cost coaching, not so much, but if it's hundreds or thousands of dollars, it's definitely best to build trust and authority before you make that pitch.
            I am happy to include it on the back end
            (you mean promoting it in follow up emails via the AR Sequence right?), so emails 4, 5, 6, 7, etc, offer the coaching program as a promotion email, in the follow up ?

            so that the trust gets built.


            After they click the submit button on your squeeze page opt-in, hit them with a special offer/upsell/OTO to turn some of the freebie takers into buyers. Low cost on that one is best. Ease them into paying you.
            What price range would you recommend ?

            I'd offer coaching in this scenario only after I had them on my list and worked a little to win them over
            You mean after you have built trust right, via the Autoresponder series emails to them ?


            What do you prefer aweber vs getresponse?

            and for the coaching model, what point would you suggest inserting a survey in? (survey monkey) to see what they want ?
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    • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      Chest beating? That's hilarious. I forgot how silly this forum gets sometimes.

      Thanks for your input.

      And yeah, I am saying just do it. In the end, no matter what you do you're just doing it. If all you got from my post was "just do it," though, I feel kinda sorry for you.
      Had an email subscriber email me and take me to task for the brevity of an email I sent out. (Yep, it was free, and it was basically how to do something that will make money, and it was the end result...not the mistakes along the way, no explanation, just do this, do that sort of thing.)

      I answered his email.

      "I think you're confusing length for value. My goal was to give you the tip of the iceberg, not the part that holds it up. Best of luck."

      Same thing here. Those three steps are really the whole business in a nutshell.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

    Erm...yeah lots of chest beating here but what your saying is "just do it".

    ...

    Hope that made sense.
    It did, but you are just breaking down ideas he already suggested into more detailed steps. It is the same ideas he posted at a more granular level.

    Once you have his basic plan (or yours) you can always get more info on the process details by searching forums, google and youtube for 'how to find a niche', 'how to create an info product', 'how to build a sales funnel', etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    OK, I'm sorry you didn't see value in what I wrote. It happens.

    Best of luck in your pursuits.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      OK, I'm sorry you didn't see value in what I wrote. It happens.

      Best of luck in your pursuits.

      you handled that like a pro, John - was going to intervene on your behalf - but I can't top your response -
      kudos!
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  • Profile picture of the author figuringmoneyout
    Ultimately I don't think everyone is cut out for creating a product and promoting affiliate products is just fine. Replace that as your first idea and then I totally agree with your list for traditional internet marketing (OMG, that's a thing?). I also really do agree that there are no shortcuts. Most of us want it to be easy and to find a loophole to get around teh hard work but it's very unlikely to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Perfect post and perfect replies to all questions asked!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author duplication
    That is a great business model and correct however one thing I would add. Make it viral and you will make your business skyrocket.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Golden advice. I especially like the "build trust" part!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero Limits
    You know there isn't very many people I follow online but John Schwartz is definitely one of my top two. I hope he and his family are doing good. I wish you the best in health, wealth and success. Thank you for all you did in the past and for anything you may do in the future.

    Zero Limits - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author markGustaff
    build trust
    ... how are you going to do it?
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by markGustaff View Post

      ... how are you going to do it?
      by delivering value repeatedly

      -Ike Paz
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  • Profile picture of the author ANDREIS
    -There's nothing wrong with trying different things and exploring possibilities. The catch is to set deadlines.
    - This means that you should explore different ways of making money and see which ones are those that you would really like to make work for you.
    - You can't explore forever. Give yourself a month or two for exploring.
    - Then stop exploring and jump into the one that you really like and which makes your heart feel warm
    - Work on it like a maniac for the next 3 months, 6 days a week, 1 day a week rest completely
    - Always think about the things that you could do with the money...always have that in your mind. It will push you on and on
    - Do things one after another
    - That's it
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