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Hey guys!
I've been studying a lot these days, I have learned a bunch, and I've seen that the most important thing is just to send people to my affiliate links and profit.

I've noticed that email marketing is THE most regarded of the methods I've seen, I'm assuming because of the upswell value of having a big list.

The problem is however that the copy I've seen seems very "false" to me. This also happens with Facebook marketing in which you have to make an account and make friends with a totally fake profile and false stories about me and whatever niche and "the magic pill" that fixed my problem and all that.

Can someone relate, or am I just a total idiot?

Thanks,

Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    The legit way to do email marketing is to offer a value added free chain of emails. Do not just blast them with ads. The more valuable and credible your updates, the more people will trust you. The more they trust you, the higher the chance they will buy off your aff links.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by Joseph Mykid View Post

    Hey guys!
    I've been studying a lot these days, I have learned a bunch, and I've seen that the most important thing is just to send people to my affiliate links and profit.

    I've noticed that email marketing is THE most regarded of the methods I've seen, I'm assuming because of the upswell value of having a big list.

    The problem is however that the copy I've seen seems very "false" to me. This also happens with Facebook marketing in which you have to make an account and make friends with a totally fake profile and false stories about me and whatever niche and "the magic pill" that fixed my problem and all that.

    Can someone relate, or am I just a total idiot?

    Thanks,

    Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Joe,

    Never, ever, ever engage in dishonest marketing strategies....if the approach feels funny to you, do not go down that path because karma will eat you up.

    It is far better to be honest, authentic and warm, from my experience. Sure I sell a spectacular dream of traveling the world but I hold the intent to do it from an authentic place, posting travel picture after travel picture along the way.

    2 words: Be Honest. Create value. Build relationships. Karma catches up to dishonest folks again, and again, and again, as whatever you dish out comes back to you multiplied.

    Follow IMers who do things from a place of good karma. My blog is helpful, but really, anybody who is kind, and helpful, and is transparent, these are the folks you want to learn from, because anybody lies is secretly fearful and a poor person to emulate.

    All the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Mykid
    Thank you for your replies!

    To be quite honest, the person that introduced me to IM a while ago was what he called a "black hatter", thus why I used to wander the blackhatworld forum back then.

    He used to do some very shady things, some even illegal to a certain extent, and he eventually introduced me to a concept called e-whoring. I was SO sickened by it that I just had to quit IM entirely, giving up my dream of working from home.

    It's my goal to become a successful internet marketter. And I WILL do everything the "white hat" way, without doing anything immoral whatsoever. But this "Facebook marketing" thing just rang a very familiar and unpleasant bell.

    I'm thinking of going the eBay, drop shipping, ecommerce way. Is this something that is recommendable for a total newb?

    Thanks again for your help, very appreciated.

    Joe
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    • Profile picture of the author glennshep
      Hi Joe,

      Ryan summed it all up perfectly. Being open and honest is the only way to do things. Any other way can work for a while, but it will come back to bite you eventually and, of course, the most important thing is being true to yourself and to those who you deal with.

      With regards to what to do as a newbie, I would advise:
      1. Don't make things unnecessarily complicated.
      2. Start with what you know
      3. Do something that you can feel passionate about
      I don't have any real experience with the e-commerce side of things myself but I know that my nephew has actually just set himself up online using that route and he has zero experience. So far, he seems to be doing pretty well with it. I'm sure that there are others here who could advise you more about that side of things though.

      Whatever you choose to do, always be ethical and honest. If something clearly isn't working don't be afraid to change direction but stick with working to achieve your goals and never give up.

      All the best,
      Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by Joseph Mykid View Post

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    The problem is however that the copy I've seen seems very "false" to me. This also happens with Facebook marketing in which you have to make an account and make friends with a totally fake profile and false stories about me and whatever niche and "the magic pill" that fixed my problem and all that.

    Can someone relate, or am I just a total idiot?
    No you are not an idiot. A lot of sales copy, IM or not, sounds false.

    Do you really think sugary kids cereals are part of a healthy breakfast?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Can someone relate, or am I just a total idiot?
    It's not necessary to "establish yourself as an authority figure" like so many teach. It is also not necessary to know anything about the niche. There are other ways.

    My first site was in the MMORPG niche. I knew nothing about the games when I started. I could never come off as an expert gamer so I presented myself as a "researcher."

    I said up front that I wasn't an expert, but what I did was research all the guides on the market. I then presented them in a central location. I did all the searching and research and visitors had all the results at their fingertips on my site. I sold a lot of MMORPG guides!
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarizma
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    Originally Posted by Joseph Mykid View Post

    Hey guys!
    I've been studying a lot these days, I have learned a bunch, and I've seen that the most important thing is just to send people to my affiliate links and profit.

    I've noticed that email marketing is THE most regarded of the methods I've seen, I'm assuming because of the upswell value of having a big list.

    The problem is however that the copy I've seen seems very "false" to me. This also happens with Facebook marketing in which you have to make an account and make friends with a totally fake profile and false stories about me and whatever niche and "the magic pill" that fixed my problem and all that.

    Can someone relate, or am I just a total idiot?

    Thanks,

    Joe
    Fake FB accounts won't get your anywhere. A ton of untargeted traffic interested only in a hot profile pic would get you nowhere. Get real fans interested in your niche and market to them.

    Most say there are NO MAGIC PILLS. I beg to differ. Magic Pills aren't blackhat rubbish - they are untapped sources that have huge potential.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Tandan
    There's a fine balance between 'hype' and 'passion'. It's always ok to be passionate about your niche and you should be. But with all the hypey copy we see every day, we start thinking that's the only way to sell.
    It's not.
    In email marketing, as mentioned above, put the needs of your list first. Give them something of value - your time, and free relevant content. Only pitch offers that you think are extremely relevant, and only pitch with passion, not hype.
    In this way your list (many of them anyway) will develop trust in you. And from there, sales will occur as a byproduct of the way you treat them.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    I understand where your coming from, and operating under different names to appease different niche audiences is a common practice for those who do affiliate marketing, no need to feel guilty on that aspect.

    My take on it is simple;

    - Thoroughly research the products you promote, and the people who create them

    - Be honest and ethical by offing value, and goods that will benefit the buyer and help solve there problems or will enhance their quality of life.

    Now, I have personally refrained from doing reviews on many of the newly released products in JVzoo and CB because I know many of them are "Shiny objects" that tend to use a very provocative language which often implies - easy money, whereby the buyer's misconceive or miss the fact; it usually requires they buy upsells 1, 2, and 3 to actually make said products work... if they work at all!

    - Those products do sell!
    - They also have high refund rates!

    Certain people have made great success acting as a reviewer or the "go-to" source for evaluating new products, and if you can give honest reviews from a neutral stand point, then it's up to the buyer to do their own due diligence and decide whether or not to buy into the hype.

    Thus, if you do push those types of products, don't feel guilty, just choose your positioning wisely from and honest/ethical/neutral vantage point. It can and has been done successfully by many online marketers, and there is money in those products... even though from my own personal experience... most of them suck out!
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingBees
    Email marketing is not some shady business (like setting up fake FB profiles) and I think linking the two is not fair in the slightest.

    The biggest of companies use email marketing as a part of their marketing and if done legitimately can be a huge earner.

    Legitimately means that the email address holder ASKS you to send them emails, they give you permission to do so and they have the ability to unsubscribe from those emails.

    Of course, in terms of morality you may limit the number of emails you send, how and what you promote and so on.

    There are hundreds of email marketers who will promote everything and anything in their niche to make a commission with no regard to the quality of the product. There are then the professional marketers who will only promote specific products that are highly recommended and/or products that they have experience with.

    Email marketing CAN be scammy and illegitimate. It can also be the core of a business. It all comes down to how you treat it and how you deal with it.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    The real secret to email marketing is to give your subscribers value at each email and also making sure that you get new subscribers all the time.

    Most affiliate marketers just sell and sell and sell and never give any value. Most of the time, this is working for them to get sales but other marketers, they know that giving value is the best thing for their list.
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