Please prove to me I can make money

[mott]

Let me say one more thing here.

Yeah I know adsense results can be altered and people are often paid to give testimonials. As gullible as I am, even I know that.

But if you've read my first post, I asked for posts from reliable people who have been successful with a WSO. Yes I know even a person with 10,000 posts can be bought off, but I would think a well-written post from someone who actually used a product, made money with it, shared his results, etc. would be a great endorsement for the product.

I'm not saying a person has to disclose their bank statement, show a photocopy of a check they received, or display a photo of the mansion they bought thanks to the WSO (in fact I hate offers that do that and trust them the least). I was just wondering if there are any posts from people who actually USED a product and were successful.

I apologize to the forum if I was asking too much and gave the wrong impression. Thanks again for reading and for all your replies.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by mott

No Steven you STILL haven't answered the question.

I never said I wanted a guarantee. I never even used the word "guarantee".

I asked why the same people who write how well written WSOs are, won't write if they heve been successful at themt. You have a WSO yourself, would you rather have 40 posts that say how well written it is, or one post saying "I tried Steven's WSO and I DID make money today!"

By the way, just because you've posted and been thanked so many times doesn't give you the right to be snide with your comments. I have as much right to ask questions as you do.

Thank you.

Actually, if you look at some of the testimonials for several of my WSOs
you will see where people have said that they've actually made money
with them.

Does that necessarily mean that what they say is true or telling the whole
story?

No, it doesn't.

Maybe they're just being nice because they like me.

Maybe they've had to do things in addition to the info in the WSO in order
to actually make that money.

You cannot believe everything you read nor can you think that something
is crap just because you don't see people coming out of woodwork
saying how much they made with it.

I purchased a WSO from a respected warrior a while ago. I used what was
in it and made money doing it.

I did not provide a testimonial saying how much money I made or for that
matter how great I thought the product was.

Why?

Because I knew that these tactics, if leaked to too many people, would
dilute the effectiveness of the method.

So I kept my freaking trap shut.

If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

But you need to understand, there are many reasons why people do not
provide those kind of testimonials. The one I just gave you is one of them.

This is a competitive business and a lot of smart marketers realize that
endorsing certain things can and will dilute the effectiveness of them.

That is why, with many of my WSOs, I limit them to a certain number sold
so that even if somebody does spill the beans that it made them money,
it won't matter. Once it's sold out, nobody else will be able to get their
hands on it.

With unlimited WSOs, especially ones promoting BlueFart tactics, there is
no way anybody wants to go around spouting out how great these methods
are because they know it will kill them in a heartbeat.

You're looking at this from a potential buyer's perspective.

You need to look at it from the already buyer's perspective.

They have nothing to gain by spilling the beans on how successful the
method has been for them.

Now have I answered your question?

If not, sorry, but it's the best I can do.

[2ndAccount]

forget about all the "systems" for a minute.

it is easy to complicate this whole IM thing. all we are all doing is selling people potential solutions to their problems:

e.g. 1
shop owner needs traffic to their store
solution: we sell them traffic via adsense ads on our site
method: cpc

e.g. 2
pet owner want to know why their pooch is unhappy
solution: we give them a review of a product that helps them analyze their pets needs and wants which they read and eventually buy the product
method: affiliate sales

e.g.3
man is worried he sweats too much
solution: he finds your webiste where you sell him a book about how to help control his sweat problem
method: you created a product and sold it direct

there could be a million examples here but all we are doing is selling traffic to problem solvers or selling problem solving solutions ourselves.

the systems you see in WSOs are ways to help do the above (usually to help you generate the traffic).

the wright way to do things is to not look for a system first but to look for a business/niche/problem to solve instead.

once you have that ion place then that is i believe the right time to look for programs/WSOs that can help your business.

[Jon Steel]

No one can teach you what the right product is. YOU have to decide. There is SO MUCH MORE to it then the product. There is:

1) How your sales message reads
2) How you target your customers
3) What kinds of value added products you give as extra incentive
4) What your website looks like

And the list goes on and on. The truth is, I wake up to money in my bank account every morning with for example, an ebook i'm selling. Based off the items above - if someone else tried to sell my product with different variables - they could do significantly better or significantly worse than me.

This is why you have to listen and learn. Don't just focus on the product...focus on the process...

js

[mott]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Actually, if you look at some of the testimonials for several of my WSOs
you will see where people have said that they've actually made money
with them...

Now have I answered your question?

Yes thank you for the answer and the detailed response.

I can't believe, however, that people won't respond positively to a WSO because they would be afraid it would dilute the effectiveness of the product. I believe you when you say you did, but I would think most warriors would understand that a small percentage of the people who buy a WSO would actually use it, even if they were to see that people were successful with it. Perhaps though in your case, it was different, and I do understand your point.

Thank you again for your answer, it was very insightful.

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by mott

Yes thank you for the answer and the detailed response.

I can't believe, however, that people won't respond positively to a WSO because they would be afraid it would dilute the effectiveness of the product. I believe you when you say you did, but I would think most warriors would understand that a small percentage of the people who buy a WSO would actually use it, even if they were to see that people were successful with it. Perhaps though in your case, it was different, and I do understand your point.

Thank you again for your answer, it was very insightful.

Dude,

You need to get over yourself... A lot of reputable Warriors including myself have responded to your question and you still keep coming back and throwing it our faces. Your mindset definitely needs to change.

In regards to your question... Who gives a crap?

You are asking a question and then throwing your opinion in here like it's true by stating or starting off your rebuttal posts with "I think" or "I would think" or "I can't believe" no mater what responses Warriors give you.

Your mindset needs to change or you will continue to struggle no matter what WSO, product or people you work with. Personally I wouldn't work with you because you are too difficult and seem to be a total Drama Queen.

So at the end of the day who gives a crap about YOUR opinion? I know I don't after you keep slamming people who are trying to help you.

Sheesh...

Mike Hill

PS. Here's a straw ... suck it up!

[JonStein]

Mott,

Interesting thread you started here and quite a few good suggestions from fellow warriors.

I want you to consider something very seriously for a moment:
How much money does Warren Buffet claim he makes every year?

The answer is 'He will NEVER tell you!' Sure you can find out from Forbes, Fortune, Inc. and probably even the National Enquirer, but Warren Buffet will NEVER let it slip how much money he makes.
And why is that? because TRUE wealthy people do NOT brag about their conquests, only fantasy-seekers do!

That being said, you should NEVER fall into the trap so many desperate people do by latching onto and buying these programs (offers, WSOs, etc) without first investigating the individual making the claim.

If Warren Buffet told me to buy a particular stock, trust me, I would mortgage the house to BUY BUY BUY!

If Joe Marketer tells me he made $1 million dollars and I can too, I laugh, click close and move on.

Your proof is your own Due Diligence, examine the person, check their credentials, Google their name, ask others, investigate before you buy and do not succumb to the tactics of slick advertising.

I leave you with this quote from my good friend Professor Thom Danforth:
"Turning $1 into $millions- the hope of the lazy, the folly of the fool, and the levity of the educated - Prof Thom Danforth PHD, MBA"

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

Dude,

You need to get over yourself... A lot of reputable Warriors including myself have responded to your question and you still keep coming back and throwing it our faces. Your mindset definitely needs to change.

In regards to your question... Who gives a crap?

You are asking a question and then throwing your opinion in here like it's true by stating or starting off your rebuttal posts with "I think" or "I would think" or "I can't believe" no mater what responses Warriors give you.

Your mindset needs to change or you will continue to struggle no matter what WSO, product or people you work with. Personally I wouldn't work with you because you are too difficult and seem to be a total Drama Queen.

So at the end of the day who gives a crap about YOUR opinion? I know I don't after you keep slamming people who are trying to help you.

Sheesh...

Mike Hill

PS. Here's a straw ... suck it up!

Mike...you're beautiful.

Thanks for my laugh for the day.

I certainly needed it given the circumstances of recent events in my life.

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Mike...you're beautiful.

Thanks for my laugh for the day.

I certainly needed it given the circumstances of recent events in my life.

Steve,

I'm very glad I could help make your day

Mike Hill

[Tim45]

Forget what everyone else knows and focus on what you know and something you are passionate about. It is much easier to write articles and promote products you know a lot about. The easiest and cheapest way to make money (in my opinion) is to start a blog and post every day good content that people are looking for. How-to-guides are very popular. just spend 15 minutes a day on your blog and before you know it, traffic will pour in. then find some affiliate programs that relates to your subject and add your affiliate link to your blog. I'd also add adsense to the mix to generate more income.

[mott]

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

Dude,

You need to get over yourself... A lot of reputable Warriors including myself have responded to your question and you still keep coming back and throwing it our faces. Your mindset definitely needs to change.

In regards to your question... Who gives a crap?

You are asking a question and then throwing your opinion in here like it's true by stating or starting off your rebuttal posts with "I think" or "I would think" or "I can't believe" no mater what responses Warriors give you.

Your mindset needs to change or you will continue to struggle no matter what WSO, product or people you work with. Personally I wouldn't work with you because you are too difficult and seem to be a total Drama Queen.

So at the end of the day who gives a crap about YOUR opinion? I know I don't after you keep slamming people who are trying to help you.

Sheesh...

Mike Hill

PS. Here's a straw ... suck it up!

Mike...

This is a free forum and I can post as often as I want. Frankly, YOU are the one who would be difficult to work with, if you can't deal with someone who asks questions and makes posts you don't agree with and be insulting when they do.

I posted in here and people have responded, and I responded back. They're not "rebuttal posts"; they are responses to questions. Except you, when I have to defend myself because you don't like me responding.

Steven twice asked me questions; perhaps rhetorically but I wanted to respond. If I didn't respond you'd probably call me a coward for not responding.

Who have I slammed??? I thanked everyone for their opinions, sorry if that is "slamming" to you. I told everyone I appreciated their advice. Reading is a skill, my man, go for it; the only person I have slammed is you, for your stupid petulant remarks.

For the record, I have been employed for over 30 years, working mainly in a problem-solving capacity. I have recently started internet marketing because I wanted to get into something when I retire, to not rely on social security.

Get off your high horse. "dude" and allow people to be inquisitve.

Thank you for your post.

Don't worry everyone, I won't post in this thread again. I'm sorry I was such a jerk to everyone, I promise it won't happen again.

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by mott

Mike...

This is a free forum and I can post as often as I want. Frankly, YOU are the one who would be difficult to work with, if you can't deal with someone who asks questions and makes posts you don't agree with and be insulting when they do.

I posted in here and people have responded, and I responded back. They're not "rebuttal posts"; they are responses to questions. Except you, when I have to defend myself because you don't like me responding.

Steven twice asked me questions; perhaps rhetorically but I wanted to respond. If I didn't respond you'd probably call me a coward for not responding.

Who have I slammed??? I thanked everyone for their opinions, sorry if that is "slamming" to you. I told everyone I appreciated their advice. Reading is a skill, my man, go for it; the only person I have slammed is you, for your stupid petulant remarks.

For the record, I have been employed for over 30 years, working mainly in a problem-solving capacity. I have recently started internet marketing because I wanted to get into something when I retire, to not rely on social security.

Get off your high horse. "dude" and allow people to be inquisitve.

Thank you for your post.

Don't worry everyone, I won't post in this thread again. I'm sorry I was such a jerk to everyone, I promise it won't happen again.

"stupid petulant remarks"

Good lord... thems there are some big time words!

There's quite a difference between asking questions and continuing to ask the same question or refute a persons answer based on loose opinions.

It all started with the retarded "Prove to me" type of question... Seems your mind was made up when you came here.

Blah blah blah...

What proof are you looking for? Since you asked the question you must know what kind of proof you are looking for? And, what have you already tried doing and for how long?

Internet Marketing is NOT hard by any stretch.

1) Find a problem
2) Solve the dang problem

Mike Hill

[Clark]

It simply cannot be proven by anyone other than yourself that YOU can make money.

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by mott

Mike...

This is a free forum and I can post as often as I want. Frankly, YOU are the one who would be difficult to work with, if you can't deal with someone who asks questions and makes posts you don't agree with and be insulting when they do.

I posted in here and people have responded, and I responded back. They're not "rebuttal posts"; they are responses to questions. Except you, when I have to defend myself because you don't like me responding.

Steven twice asked me questions; perhaps rhetorically but I wanted to respond. If I didn't respond you'd probably call me a coward for not responding.

Who have I slammed??? I thanked everyone for their opinions, sorry if that is "slamming" to you. I told everyone I appreciated their advice. Reading is a skill, my man, go for it; the only person I have slammed is you, for your stupid petulant remarks.

For the record, I have been employed for over 30 years, working mainly in a problem-solving capacity. I have recently started internet marketing because I wanted to get into something when I retire, to not rely on social security.

Get off your high horse. "dude" and allow people to be inquisitve.

Thank you for your post.

Don't worry everyone, I won't post in this thread again. I'm sorry I was such a jerk to everyone, I promise it won't happen again.

"stupid petulant remarks"

Look in the mirror... I didn't start this post and one day when you finally GET IT you'll look back on this as being stupid. I always say there is no such thing as a stupid question but I could be wrong?

Hows about getting your hands dirty and try something and not for just a week or a few months either. If you need someone to prove Internet Marketing works then this may not be the best thing for you.

When you started your own business offline what proved to you it would work? Nothing is guaranteed and in most cases it's the persons own decisions or lack there of that kill a business and make systems NOT work.

Mike Hill

[TheRookie]

Ive never used the wso's here but have thought about it. I do make money but not a huge amount (although its fairly consistent) But I spend very little time, so I feel that if I did spend more time it would pay off.

[mott]

I know I said I wouldn't post in here but I couldn't resist, sorry.

One thing I HAVE learned about marketing is how important titles are, and that people are grabbed by the title and refuse to let go, without actually reading the content. I apologized at least twice for the title I used in my thread, I said it was inappropriate and a poor choice of words. It was retarded of me to ask anyone to prove anything, I agree. I will apologize one last time for the title and that will be the final apology.

And I didn't realize "petulant" was such a big-time word! I guess some people only understand words wth four letters.

[Bart Loos]

Originally Posted by mott

I think there are SOME CPA WSOs, or AdSense or affiliate marketing ones, that do actually do as they promise; they do make you the . My question is, where are they?

Hi Mott,

coming in late, but this stood out for me.

This is your mindtrap, you believe or want to believe that one of those programs is gonna make you money. the reality is that none of those programs is gonna make you money, you are the one who's does make you money.

I for myself bought a bunch of WSO and other IM products, and I guess none of them made their headline promises true BUT I learned from almost every item at least one thing I'm taking with me. For me this is longterm thinking. It's investing in myself. THis does NOT mean that I buy everything there. Not at all. I know where I need to go, so any offer that comes on my way that touches that next step I might buy.

Hope this helps.

Have fun

Bart

[Mickm]

I find the best WSO's offer solutions to specific marketing problems, for example getting that call to action just right, or making a killer headline etc

These ones, at least in my experience, have provided the best information.

[sd1997]

I get up in the morning, go to my job and at the end of the month get paid.

I have an online business that requires working on, money comes in.

The one thing that is common in both is me. I need to go and do.

I'm sure that one day when and if I create my own products that people want and need, that some cash may come my way. Only if I go and do it.