Please prove to me I can make money

[mott]

Hello! I have a sorta challenge in that I want to find something on here that makes an income.

I see lots of WSOs and threads about how good offers are, a few of which I have bought myself. They mostly get great reviews as being "well written" or "great idea" or "well put together" etc. etc. But when I read further in the thread as to whether or not people are actually making money off of the program, I get stuck.

I see posts like "I'm gonna try your system tonight and report back" and they never report back. Or I see threads saying "I made $X but it is blackhat, or unethical, so watch out". Sometimes a person will say the market will be saturated soon, or you can only make so much money with it, or the material is out-of-date, etc.

I would like to find a program that not only someone has tried out, but has made money from it, and not just one-time lucky money but is making a steady income from the program, even if it's say $1000 a month. Preferably in an ethical way.

For instance: let's say I see a WSO where the first post claims "Start making $5000 a month in a week with this method".

1. I want to see at least 2 posts where a forum member is making $5000 a month, for at least 2 months, with the method.

2. I also want to see at least 2 posts saying that it took a week to make $5000.

3. The same posters must have at least 100 posts in the Warrior forum, so I know they've been around awhile.

4. I want this method to be legitimate; no black hat stuff, nothing unethical.

Or this can be a program that is not a WSO. The same requirements can apply. Is there such a thread???

I guess what I am asking is, is there anything out there that really makes the money claimed, can keep making the money claimed, and can it be proven by posts? And if the answer is no, then why have a WSO forum to being with (or a Warrior forum)?

And please don't PM or email me with answers, if you have any. Please post so we all can see them. Thanks for reading!

[SusanneUK]

Rich,

You keep using the word "program" which to me, from my days trying to get various MLM programs to make me some money, really reminds me of that and it just seems to me, you need to change your mindset away from "If I just find the right program, I can make money"..

Whatever you decide to have a go at be it bum marketing, clickbank products, other kinds of affiliate marketing, working with offline people, making graphics for people and a ton of other things which are described in so many ways in so many threads in the WF.. will need you to work at it and some days will be good and some bad but somehow, think about just working for yourself, not for a program, perhaps making your own product.

You can learn so much here just by reading and then when you have more of a mind of what you can do and offer perhaps then go to the WSO area and look for what will help you with that goal.

Also, what are your skills? that might help people here point you in a more positive and possibly profitable direction.

Sorry if you are not referring to that kind of program, it was just the sense I got from reading your post.

Good luck in whatever you choose.

Sue

[Chaiwriter]

There are countless numbers of people who are making a LOT of money online.

There are many proven ways to make money online. Some of these methods are in the WSO section but most of them aren't.

For example, being an affiliate is a way to make money. There are many ways you can make a lot of money from it. One possible way is to blog about products (write reviews, etc.).

But there are many, many other great ways to make money online too.

You're asking the wrong question. The question shouldn't be whether it's possible to make money with Internet Marketing - it is and always will be.

The question should be: What's the best way for me to make money?

And these questions are important too:

What niche do I want to start in? What method do I want to use? What are the steps I need to take? Am I willing to work hard to make money? Do I truly believe I can make money?

That last question is very important - probably more than you would ever believe. If you don't believe you will succeed then you won't. And that seems to be your biggest obstacle right now.

Stop asking if it's possible. It is.

But if you don't believe it then just move on. Internet Marketing isn't for everyone. Maybe it's not for you. No biggie.

But if you really want to try it then give it 100%. Choose a niche, choose a method that has been proven to work for years, and then make a plan and start working.

Learn, plan, and then do.

[marketinggt]

I've made 40k in 48 hours on a product launch. So yes, you can make money using all of the methods discussed here.

With that said: (Disclaimer here)

You have to have skills. Sometimes it seems the methods are easy and being pitched as such, yet you could be missing some basic skills.

The primary skill to learn is marketing. And yes, marketing works no matter the media. (i.e. TV, internet, radio, paper, etc)

The internet is a media type. Here's the breakdown that always works. Always has and always will:

1) Find a hungry market
2) Find out what they want
3) Sell it to them
4) Repeat

That's the basics. Is the methods that slow people down.

Results may vary because of the person, not the method or media. It is the person that creates the results whether good or bad.

Hope that helps...

[cima]

I'm French, with a bad english plus i'm 16 and very very busy AND i've made money... Trust me from this moment on, everybody's able to make money !

Cheers, Samuel.

[mott]

Hi Sue!

Thank you so much for your reply. I guess my post was aimed more at the WSOs I see in the forum. I must admit I don't have any skills in the internet marketing area, and those that I have tried I have not been successful. I do have skills in programming (maybe that's why i keep saying "program") but I want to get away from that area, and more into something I can do on my own, through internet marketing of some sort.

I wasn't looking for anything particular to me, any tutoring or whatever. Mostly it's that I see all these WSOs that promise so much, and where the threads get such glowing praise for the method, but where I see little in that the WSO actually makes money on a long term.

Yeah the Warrior forum gives me great advice, but I was just asking; do programs (offers if you prefer) exist that actually do as they claim?

[mott]

Hi Chaiwriter!

Thanks for the reply. Very solid advice but it really doesn't answer the question. Maybe I am not being clear.

I get that maybe I shouldn't go from WSO to WSO, buying the next big promise that comes along. I should stick with one thing, whatever it is, and do my own homework.

But here is my point: I see a WSO that says one can make $X doing CPA. I like CPA so I read further; maybe I will get it to enhance my CPA knowledge. Everyone writes what a great WSO it is. No one writes they made money with it. I may buy the CPA and actually get something out of it, but I know doing it alone won't bring me the $X promised in the offer.

That is my point: I hate to think I am so naive that I think there are SOME CPA WSOs, or AdSense or affiliate marketing ones, that do actually do as they promise; they do make you the $X. My question is, where are they?

[mott]

Hi marketinggt and Samuel

Thank you for the responses. Again I am not being clear, I can tell, and I apologize for that.

I really do get all that everyone says. Yeah you can make money, you got to have skills, etc.

Why do we have a WSO forum? If what everyone so far has said is so, why have WSOs?

I get there is no magic formula for success. I get you can't make a million dollars by reading an ebook. I get it doesn't take overnight to be a success.

What I am getting is, almost all the WSOs are bought by someone, and given great reviews by someone. But either the methods in the WSOs are not practised by anyone, or the methods do not make anyone money.

Or I guess there is a 3rd possibility, in that people make lots of money from the WSO but don't want to post.

So I'll ask this: Is there a WSO out there that is ethical, can make someone a good income as is claimed in the WSO, and can someone actually post that they have indeed made a steady income with the WSO?

[The Great Gordino]

Hi mott,
I get your post - there most certianly *are* lots of WSO offers where you see people say they bought it, will report back but don't.
That may seem to suggest they have had no success, but there could be any number of reasons they didn't post back.

My advice?
Don't buy any WSO's for now.
it's easy to hop from one to another and to another, remember a lot of them are out together by experienced marketers, who have found the hungry market (you), they know what you want ( a quick 'proven' route) and they are selling it to you!

There is loads of info for free here and elsewhere, so as previous posters have mentioned, pick which style works for you, or you *think* will work for you, e.g do you like writing, how much time to do have to spare?

Then when you've done that, select a niche and the method, and set to it - don't buy a product relating to a different method unless you have tried and failed with the previous one.

Good luck!

[mott]

Thanks Gordon for the advice. You are right, it is too easy to keep going to the next great offer. They all look so tempting. But I'll try picking one avenue and see where it leads.

Originally Posted by The Great Gordino

My advice?
Don't buy any WSO's for now.

Does that include yours?

[bobbly]

The best product for the small-time operator to sell on the Internet is how-to or instructional information. The easiest product to create and sell is an e-book. The way to sell it is through affiliates or by building and e-mailing your own opt-in subscriber list. The surest way to build your own list is by publishing an e-zine and offering free subscriptions.

[Brad Spencer]

Originally Posted by mott

Hello! I have a sorta challenge in that I want to find something on here that makes an income.

I see lots of WSOs and threads about how good offers are, a few of which I have bought myself. They mostly get great reviews as being "well written" or "great idea" or "well put together" etc. etc. But when I read further in the thread as to whether or not people are actually making money off of the program, I get stuck.

I see posts like "I'm gonna try your system tonight and report back" and they never report back. Or I see threads saying "I made but it is blackhat, or unethical, so watch out". Sometimes a person will say the market will be saturated soon, or you can only make so much money with it, or the material is out-of-date, etc.

I would like to find a program that not only someone has tried out, but has made money from it, and not just one-time lucky money but is making a steady income from the program, even if it's say $1000 a month. Preferably in an ethical way.

For instance: let's say I see a WSO where the first post claims "Start making $5000 a month in a week with this method".

1. I want to see at least 2 posts where a forum member is making $5000 a month, for at least 2 months, with the method.

2. I also want to see at least 2 posts saying that it took a week to make $5000.

3. The same posters must have at least 100 posts in the Warrior forum, so I know they've been around awhile.

4. I want this method to be legitimate; no black hat stuff, nothing unethical.

Or this can be a program that is not a WSO. The same requirements can apply. Is there such a thread???

I guess what I am asking is, is there anything out there that really makes the money claimed, can keep making the money claimed, and can it be proven by posts? And if the answer is no, then why have a WSO forum to being with (or a Warrior forum)?

And please don't PM or email me with answers, if you have any. Please post so we all can see them. Thanks for reading!

Mott,

I've read a few of the replies to this thread and here are my thoughts...

I've bought WSOs for various reasons over the years. I can tell you I never bought one that promised $x per month. This isn't possible to guarantee and can run afoul of the FTC.

No matter how true the statement is there are some people (who don't do anything usually but not always) who can't achieve that with the ebook...therefore there should be an asterisk on the Headline.

No one can guarantee ****. However, the WSOs I've bought that laid out a plan to make something faster, better, cheaper, or easier are always great sellers.

A great reference to history is in order. During the Gold Rush...most people that made money made money selling the supplies to get the gold. Pants (Levi Strauss jeans invented here), Donald Trump's grandfather, and the Stanford family if I remember correctly. They made money selling food, pants, supplies, shovels, nails, buckets, etc.

Now, these items had many uses and were available everything. People needed them to mine gold. Many did find some level of gold. Not as they were promised but some.

That is the key to success though in business and in life. Find what people want and give it to them. I'm not saying make promises you can't keep or verify...but find out what people want.

People love articles...got any method for doing it better, faster, cheaper, or easier? Publish an ebook and sell it for 20 bucks as a WSO. You can verify your methods with screenshots, videos, testimonials, and more.

You aren't guaranteeing an income which saves you gov't problems and you're ADDING VALUE to the marketplace.

Focus on adding value and you'll be totally fine. Don't focus on the income goal (10k per month)...focus on adding value and you'll get your 10k business no sweat.

Do you understand what I'm saying?


Cheers,

Brad Spencer

[The Great Gordino]

Originally Posted by mott

Thanks Gordon for the advice. You are right, it is too easy to keep going to the next great offer. They all look so tempting. But I'll try picking one avenue and see where it leads.



Does that include yours?

Yes mott, that includes mine!
I will say that mine is not one that talks about a set income in a set timeframe.
Mine is also clearly about 1 thing - how to write articles.
So if you've no time or inclination to write articles, it isnt for you.
if you're in the middle of a PPC strategy, it's not for you.
Mine is also priced at $147, which is not pennies, so you shouldnt buy it, or any others until your mind is a bit less scattered by the shining sparkles of the various WSO offers!

For example, look at a few of them (without buying remember) and ask yourself what they might be about -

If you think it's about blogging - what do you *already* know about blogging but don't put into practice?

if it's about membership sites - what do you *already* know about membership sites but don't put into practice?

and so on. You probably know more about these methods than you suspect!
Cheers.

[Kay King]

Why do we have a WSO forum? If what everyone so far has said is so, why have WSOs?

Why don't shoe stores sell only one type of shoe? Why are there different colors, sandals, work boots, high heels, slippers? Because people are different and have different interests and requirements.

People buy WSO's ....from curiosity, because they want to make money and haven't decided yet what they want to do - or because the WSO offers help in an area they are working in. Many are looking for guarantees of fast cash with no work - or a step by step "push this button and then push that button" that gets money flowing in. Others are buying quality products and PLR they can utilize in their own business or sites.

The WSO is a marketplace - with products for sale - what you do with the products is up to you but there are no guaranteed "buy this and make $$" that will fit everyone. I think many buy "easy money" WSO's and then find there's real work involved or they don't have the basic knowledge to do the work involved.

kay

[mott]

Originally Posted by Brad Spencer

Do you understand what I'm saying?
Brad Spencer

Brad, sorta. I agree that there should be a disclaimer for the WSO forum, or perhaps there is and should be more noticeable.

I also agree about finding what people want and giving it to them. Sometimes (and perhaps every time) though these things take lots of time and money. Getting a WSO or a course from a Brad Spencer I would think would make things easier and perhaps cheaper.

Perhaps as you said I should look more in the value of the ebook or video, in how it can make stuff easier or cheaper for me, rather than how much money I can make from it.

Thanks!

[willz605]

Simple....the answer is the forum itself. There are literally thousands of eyes on these pages daily and a "desperate" marketer to earn money will buy from a sales page. Many of the successful marketers here and DP and others develop systems to sell in forums and through successful blogging.

The catch.....can you do what the experts can do.....that's it.
How's your copy? How's your traffic? How's your marketing? Have you tested your product? .......the list goes on.

Good Luck!

[Jay Deiboldt]

I don't get the title of the post. Why should anyone have to prove to you that they are making money online, or that you can?

Really if you wanna make money at this, you have to prove to YOURSELF that you can do it.

You also have to do exactly what everyone else who is making money has done and:

a. stop asking for permission and validation
b. try a whole bunch of stuff till you find something you enjoy, or that works
c. work your ass off

[mott]

Originally Posted by The Great Gordino

Yes mott, that includes mine!

Gordon, thanks for the post. I like when you say to look at the WSOs before I buy, because I probably already know a lot about the subject already (or can find it).

Yours is actually a good example of this, because I already know how to write effective articles. Not that yours wouldn't help me, but I should stay away and apply what I do know.

Though your WSO is tempting.

[mott]

Originally Posted by Jay Deiboldt

I don't get the title of the post. Why should anyone have to prove to you that they are making money online, or that you can?

Really if you wanna make money at this, you have to prove to YOURSELF that you can do it.

You also have to do exactly what everyone else who is making money has done and:

a. stop asking for permission and validation
b. try a whole bunch of stuff till you find something you enjoy, or that works
c. work your ass off

Jay, your right, my title blows. I asked though because most WSOs say you can make X in Y, and I want to see the posts that prove it.

[Brad Spencer]

Originally Posted by mott

Brad, sorta. I agree that there should be a disclaimer for the WSO forum, or perhaps there is and should be more noticeable.

I also agree about finding what people want and giving it to them. Sometimes (and perhaps every time) though these things take lots of time and money. Getting a WSO or a course from a Brad Spencer I would think would make things easier and perhaps cheaper.

Perhaps as you said I should look more in the value of the ebook or video, in how it can make stuff easier or cheaper for me, rather than how much money I can make from it.

Thanks!

Mott,

My key point is don't promise what can't be guaranteed. If you can create a product that makes things better, faster, cheaper, easier and you sell it for a fair price that is a great first product.

As long as someone gets a good point that saves them 30 minutes a day or 20 dollars a week...then spending 50 bucks on that is worth it. The ROI is infinite depending on how you look at it.

Fast money is for suckers...work is work and making money online is WAY more than selling **** on a shingle to any sucker coming along.

That's why our industry gets **** on by outsiders. A bunch of scum bags they call us. We're no different than any business though b/c there are short change artists everywhere.

It's just a fact of life.

Always be valuable and you'll never hurt for money.

Cheers,

Brad Spencer

[Eric Lorence]

No forum post, thread, comment, earnings claim, or anything else will "prove" anything...

You've been a member here since '07, so even at part time-

What have you done to make money online... and can prove it for yourself?

Why be concerned with any WSO?

[Waterways2k8]

Hi Mott

Interesting post you have here - a thing I would suggest is stop thinking about will this thing make me money or does it live up to it's claim

The reason being that everyone is different and unique, what works for some, may not work for others, plus it's up to the individual themselves to achieve the targets. Of course some will exceed the claims and some won't barely even make a dollar let alone reaching the claimed amount.

The problem????

It's up to the individual themselves, how they think, and what they do towards achieving that goal.

After all everyone's goal is different and the fact is, nothing is serve to you on a silver platter with an ice chilled desert spoon. You need to research, experiment, test and just go an try it.

If you don't try, you'll never find out what the potential is, and if you do try and fail, then at least you won't be kicking yourself or regret about leaving anything on the table or behind.

I've personally and I'm sure many other fellow warrior members as well as whoever starts in IM will also probably state or relate to this and that is: when we all first start, we tend to spend or will have spent hundreds, thousands of dollars of our hard earned cash on various systems, programs tool, blueprints , ebooks etc....

It's all this process of leaarning and discovering, and when we have discovered with what makes money for us, we try to improve it, or repeat the same method but with a different product, service etc....

Anyway apologies if I have offended anyone

Best Wishes

[mott]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Why don't shoe stores sell only one type of shoe? Why are there different colors, sandals, work boots, high heels, slippers? Because people are different and have different interests and requirements.

People buy WSO's ....from curiosity, because they want to make money and haven't decided yet what they want to do - or because the WSO offers help in an area they are working in. Many are looking for guarantees of fast cash with no work - or a step by step "push this button and then push that button" that gets money flowing in. Others are buying quality products and PLR they can utilize in their own business or sites.

The WSO is a marketplace - with products for sale - what you do with the products is up to you but there are no guaranteed "buy this and make $$" that will fit everyone. I think many buy "easy money" WSO's and then find there's real work involved or they don't have the basic knowledge to do the work involved.

kay

Hi Kay, thank you for your post

Though I hate to argue with someone who has over 10K posts (!), my point is that you would think one "warrior" would post in a WSO thread and say "yeah I made $10K last month and the month before with this" and not simply "well put together" or "great WSO". How does one know it's a great WSO unless one tried it themselves and made money, isn't that the point?

If I want to buy a pair of shoes, well I could see them and try them on. If someone told me beforehand "Kay's shoes are the best made in the world", then I would ask "yes but are they comfortable and will they last?"...so what is wrong with expecting a reply from someone?

But I get that WSO's need to be taken with a grain of salt; someone then maybe needs to put some disclaimer about the claims made in them. One can't say a pair of shoes will make you $10K a month unless they can prove it, you know.

[mott]

Originally Posted by Eric Lorence

No forum post, thread, comment, earnings claim, or anything else will "prove" anything...

You've been a member here since '07, so even at part time-

What have you done to make money online... and can prove it for yourself?

Why be concerned with any WSO?

Eric, because they are there and I see them, and I'd like to think that members of this forum are honest and straight forward enough to use them and comment on them properly. I would think that there would be at least one person who would use a WSO and would comment that they made money with it, and not that it is well written.

And I have not made real money with anything, that's why i am here asking these questions.

Eric, do you think it is right to have a WSO section that has these outrageous claims with no proof to back them up?

[mott]

Originally Posted by Waterways2k8

Interesting post you have here - a thing I would suggest is stop thinking about will this thing make me money or does it live up to it's claim

The reason being that everyone is different and unique, what works for some, may not work for others, plus it's up to the individual themselves to achieve the targets. Of course some will exceed the claims and some won't barely even make a dollar let alone reaching the claimed amount.

Nice post Waterways, I appreciate the help. The thing I am most getting from the replies here is that I should ignore the claims and see if a WSO can or can't help me. Of course in most cases I would only know if I bought the thing, but as I thnk Gordon said, I probably know more than I realize and don't need WSOs to begin with.

I guess I would feel better if either the forum moderators would regulate these WSO claims better, or if posters would stop saying how beautifully the WSO is written and say if the WSO makes them money.

Anyway thanks all for the posts, I think I get everyone's points. Time for bed.

[Daniel Scott]

You know, I think the problem here is you are looking at "opportunities" and whatever... instead of trying to create a business.

To put it another way, you're looking at a mode of delivery rather than an actual core business.

The first step of any business is that it needs to have demand. And to do that, you have to solve a problem people are having.

Find a type of problem you're experienced and/or passionate about, create a solution, and sell it to people who have that problem.

That's the crux of a business... not CPA offers, affiliate marketing, bum marketing, or anything else. These are just METHODS to MARKET that existing core business.

Instead of trying to figure out what delivery method to use... try and think about how you can add value to people's lives... then charge for your hard work.

That's how real, decent, evergreen businesses are created... and that's what you need to do if you want to create one yourself.

Regarding your OP: No one can guarantee you'll make anything. Half the time people buy books and don't read them.

There's no shortcuts here. Build a business, a REAL business, if you want long-term, growable income.

-Dan

[Kevin Riley]

I cannot prove to you that YOU can make money. If you're like those other people in the WSO threads who buy a WSO, post how they are "gonna make lots of money with this", and then never post again because a few days later they were buying the next "great" WSO, I can guarantee you that you won't make money.

The reason you won't see many posts from those who are actually making money with the product, is because most aren't. It's not because the product isn't good - it's because the WSO buyers jump ship for the next "shiny" before they even apply the first one. In most cases, had they actually put the WSO to full use, they could be giving good feedback.

Persistence leads to success, but far too many don't persist at all.

[ildarius]

Please prove to me I can make money

existence of this huge forum is proof

[Paul Myers]

Mott,

1. I want to see at least 2 posts where a forum member is making $5000 a month, for at least 2 months, with the method.

Ummm... Have you noticed how long the average WSO stays posted and anywhere near the top of the page listings? You can be 3 or 4 pages back in 3 days.

That ignores the fact that the people who are making money with a thing are usually too busy enjoying their results and creating more to remember to post their results.

Mix that with the already mentioned problem of so many folks buying things and doing nothing with them, and you have your answer.


Paul

[Anonymous Affiliate]

To the original poster,

I will prove you what will NOT be making you money: Searching for a plug-and-play "program" (quoting you). This doesn't work like that. This is a business, and if you want to succeed you need to be an intrepid, smart, imaginative, determined and organized entrepreneur, not a WSO buyer, button clicker, holy grail seeker, quick-buck snatcher, etc.

[Raghav Mishra]

Making money on the Internet is simple, though may not be easy.

... Market Research.
... Create a medium.
... Drive targeted prospects.
... Test, track and scale up.

That sums up the process' layout. Everything is right there, you need to go ahead and try for yourself. You can sell your products or someone else's.

There are free tools at your disposal that will help you at every step. For instance, there's GKT for keywords search, wordpress for a blog platform, free traffic methods. Once you start tasting success, invest back into the automation of parts of your business and build it big.

Best of luck.

Persistence leads to success, but far too many don't persist at all.

Great 'un!

[Brad Spencer]

Originally Posted by Daniel Scott

You know, I think the problem here is you are looking at "opportunities" and whatever... instead of trying to create a business.

To put it another way, you're looking at a mode of delivery rather than an actual core business.

The first step of any business is that it needs to have demand. And to do that, you have to solve a problem people are having.

Find a type of problem you're experienced and/or passionate about, create a solution, and sell it to people who have that problem.

That's the crux of a business... not CPA offers, affiliate marketing, bum marketing, or anything else. These are just METHODS to MARKET that existing core business.

Instead of trying to figure out what delivery method to use... try and think about how you can add value to people's lives... then charge for your hard work.

That's how real, decent, evergreen businesses are created... and that's what you need to do if you want to create one yourself.

Regarding your OP: No one can guarantee you'll make anything. Half the time people buy books and don't read them.

There's no shortcuts here. Build a business, a REAL business, if you want long-term, growable income.

-Dan

You're entire post is my main point. Cheers!

This is what I tell every newbie. Solve a problem...no matter how small and sell a solution. As long as a bunch of people have it, you'll probably make a decent amount of sales.

Cheers,

Brad Spencer

[Waterways2k8]

Hi Rich (Mott)

Thanks for your wonderful reply - yeah I think the moderation of WSO claims might be a good idea, however sometimes, if one e.g. somebody who is new to IM and wishes to promote a product which they are an affiliate of, or bought resell rights to, then it might be quite hard/harsh, especially if moderation happened.

The other idea about reviewing is excellent and probably lots of fellow warrior members would appreciate and be grateful that if other fellow warrior members who have tried or bought/ optied in etc.. for the WSO, were able to give a proper review if possible, or have some free time to do so.

On a different note, I think you've started an excellent post and it's certainly buzzin here with other fellow warrior members input and ideas. I personally also think you'll do very well, and the advice given by Gordon about Wso and Dan in regards about the creating a solution to other people's and adding value to their lives is spot on.

After all, like many other fellow warrior members have commented- we are all here to building a real sustainable business, built on a solid foundation of trust, value, helpfulness, solving other's problems and possibly even helping them improve their lives.

Like my motto : Life isn't about how many days or years you have lived or how much money or rich you can make in one life - It's about how you have lived your life, and how you have helped and influence others to become better!"

Anyway, I wish you the best of success

[TLCarroll]

YOU are the only one who can prove that YOU can make money.

[bilt]

its easy to make money it all depends how much money you want to make to be rich or just got get by if you want to make good money and know SEO you should look into Adult industry

[Steven Wagenheim]

I'm going to try to answer your question the best way I can.

** Disclaimer ** This Is Just My Opinion. It Is NOT Fact!

I do a lot of different things to make money. Truth is, I have a pretty screwy
business model and I'm fine with it, though many knock it and say that I
don't really have a real business. Whatever. My non real business makes me
6 figures a year. Granted, it's from having about 40 different products out
there (either mine or affiliate) that I sell. I guess you could compare me to
the old time pitchmen who used to walk the streets selling everything from
ties to cork screws. It works for me.

Point is, I could take any one of the methods I use to generate me an income,
write them out step by step in complete detail for somebody to follow
and they may still not making any money doing it.

Why?

The reasons are numerous.

1. They don't have the skills to do the individual steps.
2. They don't have the drive to put in the time to do them.
3. They don't have the money needed to invest in the method.
4. They foul up one of the many steps.

Bottom line...You're looking for a plug n' play system that you can just
push a button and it works.

Do yourself a favor...go get a job at a McDonald's because such a thing
does NOT exist. I don't care what anybody says. All means of making a
living online, whatever the method, require human interaction to make them
work. And when a human has to do something, there is always room for
error because humans are not perfect.

I have had people use my systems and now they are more successful
than I am.

Why?

1. They have better skills to do the individual steps.
2. They have more drive to put in the time to do them.
3. They have more money to invest in the method.
4. They foul up none of the many steps and do them better than me.

And then...they develop insight into the system and take it beyond what
I even did with it. As a matter of fact, one person actually improved on
my system and allowed me to use the improvements in an updated
edition of the book in exchange for a link in the book to his site. As a result,
he is making money off of each of my sales.

I don't have all the answers. I am not perfect. I only know what works
for me, things that took me way too long to figure out. Does this mean
that if somebody else does them that they will absolutely make money
with my systems?

No...it doesn't.

And like I said, if that's what you're looking for, McDonald's has an
application where you can get a guaranteed job for about $8 an hour.

[affiliated survivor]

What exactly are you looking for? I just read a thread "How I quit my job after 8 month" from a member called Dean Holland. He said he wrote an ebook with some affiliate links in it and gave it away for free for subscribing to his newsletter. He says he made quite an amount of money with it.
So here you have a way to make money and someone who says it works. There are many threads like this on this forum. Why don´t you do something like that? You don´t even have to pay for the idea.
A lot of people who want to make money online show the same behaviour as people who want to lose weight. Losing weight is simple. Consume less calories and exercise more. Nevertheless many people have a problem with this simple truth. They hope for an easy way out. A smart trick so they can lose weight without putting in any effort. So they keep buying weight loss product after weight loss product without ever really succeeding.
The secret is really realizing and accepting that losing weight is difficult and still wanting to go through with it. Once you realize that and accept what it takes to lose weight, it gets easier.
The same with making money. It´s not easy. They just say that because something easy sells much better than something difficult. Once you accepted that it´s not easy and start doing all the horrible work (writing tons of articles, making squidoo lenses, hubpages etc.) you will stop waiting for a smart trick that will change everything and make you rich in your sleep and you will make a progress.

[GeorgR.]

Do you think that buying a fitness-guide will make you fitter, healthier and help you lose weight?

The fallacy is that you have the WRONG priority. The guide will only indirectly help you to lose weight, of course. The guide is NOT essential for you to exercise, at all.

Get the idea?

[tommygadget]

There is one inherent flaw in almost all wsos. They can't force you to implement them. It is as simple as that. Almost all buyers buy the wso and read it and say "hmmm.. that was an interesting read, I think it can make me some money" and NEVER TAKE IT any further. Hence, failure. Was it a bad wso? Probably not. Is the buyer at fault? Maybe. You don't get paid for thinking about the work, you get paid for DOING IT. Just my $0.01. Thanks!

TomG.

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by mott

Hi Kay, thank you for your post

Though I hate to argue with someone who has over 10K posts (!), my point is that you would think one "warrior" would post in a WSO thread and say "yeah I made $10K last month and the month before with this" and not simply "well put together" or "great WSO". How does one know it's a great WSO unless one tried it themselves and made money, isn't that the point?

If I want to buy a pair of shoes, well I could see them and try them on. If someone told me beforehand "Kay's shoes are the best made in the world", then I would ask "yes but are they comfortable and will they last?"...so what is wrong with expecting a reply from someone?

But I get that WSO's need to be taken with a grain of salt; someone then maybe needs to put some disclaimer about the claims made in them. One can't say a pair of shoes will make you $10K a month unless they can prove it, you know.

But we aren't selling a pair of shoes here... The internet isn't a "Try my business model and make a donation if you want". When McDonalds has a new item on their menu do you think they'd let you try it first before you decided if you wanted to buy it or not?

There wouldn't be much value in things if everything was given away free. No one (or hardly anyone) takes action on something they got free. They don't have anything invested into it to force them to take action. It's easier for them to either look at it and say "Oh this won't work for me" or not even look at it at all unless it comes with a BIG BAG OF MONEY attached to it...

If you need someone to prove to you that Internet Marketing works then you don't have what it takes to be an entrepreneur and that's okay. Google is a multi-billion dollar company that's traded publicly. It was created by some college dudes and if that isn't proof enough that there is money to be made online then any amount of proof won't be good enough for you because I think you are the type of person that wants to succeed at something but you just haven't figured out what that "something" is yet.

Once you figure out what you want to do then go do it and do it with passion and conviction and I guarantee you will see results.

Now, just so I don't get in trouble... I said "I guarantee you'll see results" I didn't say the results would necessarily be positive. Even if the results aren't in your favor you found a way NOT to do something. At that point, if you are passionate enough about it, you will keep trying...

Mike Hill

[seobro]

Adsense was great in 2004, not so great now. Ebay was excellent in the 90's, but try to make money now. Typically, a product will make massive amounts of money for people, and then there is a gold rush. If you arrive late the gold is gone!

[Eric Lorence]

Originally Posted by mott

Eric, do you think it is right to have a WSO section that has these outrageous claims with no proof to back them up?

As with anything, "Buyer Beware"...

It has been mentioned in the past that continued criticism of the WSO section could result in it's being discontinued.

After being a member here for a while, and studying the posters, it is easy to determine those with real knowledge and quality products.

Any "proof" that would pass your muster can be easily faked.

Fake user accounts can and are created to add "credibility" to posts, earnings statements are useless, JV partners can chime in with accolades, and the list goes on.

You want someone to "prove that you can make money", nobody can do that. The ones that say they can, will happily take your money.

It's a judgment call, using instinct and common sense.

[Hesaidblissfully]

Rather than thinking in terms of "systems" or "programs" or "methods" to make money online, make a decision about what business model you're going to follow.

Are you going to create and market your own product?

Are you going to sell other people's product as an affiliate?

Are you going to build a blog or website or other web property and sell it?

Etc..

Then, if you're looking at a WSO or any other product, ask yourself how it fits into your existing business model. Does it help you generate more traffic? Does it convert more prospects into buyers? Does it automate some process that's normally time consuming? Forget about the specific dollar amounts mentioned (which can vary wildly depending on many factors), and focus instead on HOW the product would fit into what you're already doing/planning, if at all.

I know of at least one Public Domain related WSO where there was a thread started a while back specifically for people to post case studies of how they were using the info in the product. (obviously without giving away the farm). I'm not sure if that thread is still open, but maybe that should be standard practice for WSO's, as not only would it give prospective buyers a better idea of the effectiveness of the information, but would also serve as a form of accountability for anyone who purchased so that they'll actually follow through on what they've learned.

[affiliated survivor]

@ George R

"Do you think that buying a fitness-guide will make you fitter, healthier and help you lose weight?

The fallacy is that you have the WRONG priority. The guide will only indirectly help you to lose weight, of course. The guide is NOT essential for you to exercise, at all.

Get the idea?"

I don´t know what you mean. I gave this just as an example. I, myself, don´t have to lose weight. The weight loss industry is in a way similar to the IM industry. There are products telling people they can succeed because of a smart trick or some superior knowledge. But something like this does not exist. Or you have to be a sorcerer. But people like to believe it and keep buying. Instead of starting with what has to be done, they keep searching for an easy alternative, but never find one.

If someone wants a simple way to make money with an nearly absolute garanty to earn something it does not have to be difficult. But it needs a lot of work.

Research a niche and find a good product and keywords with not too much competition.
Make a website.
Search the forum and the internet for lists of web directories, article directories, Rss directories, bookmarkservices etc.
Start at the top of those list, submit your website everywhere, write articles and work your way through this lists.
After a while you should get traffic and make money. If you made a good choice for your product and keywords.

[Geode]

Lots of useful replies, but wasn't the original question about product reviews? The sort that basically says "I read your plan/product/report/etc it's great" Not much use to the vendor, affiliate or prospective buyer I would have thought. I've even been pitched products on and off line with Testimonials which read "Couldn't put it down" "read it in one sitting" or similar. So what! Fine if it's a novel, no use if it's a horse betting system.
Kev.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Mott:

Here's some simple advice...

Most people fail to make money online because they fail to pick a strategy and stick with it. The fact is, there are literally dozens of methods in the WSO section and in other areas of this forum that will ALL work, if applied properly and given sufficient effort.

Too many people are looking for plug-and-play income. Well, the fact of the matter is that with IM just like practically any other business, it's more like "plug away" than "plug and play".

I don't put ANY stock at all in income claims. That isn't the criteria that I use to evaluate a potential product, because one thing my many years of online marketing experience tell me that my results depend on ME, not on the system.

Pick a strategy and stick with it until you're certain that it doesn't work or doesn't work for you. Then try something else. No matter what, you're going to have to work at it.

Oh, and if you're not a member of the War Room, you should join ASAP. Lots of good FREE strategies in there for a single, one-time payment. It has to be near the top of the list for the best few dollars I've ever spent in IM.

[mott]

Originally Posted by Geode

Lots of useful replies, but wasn't the original question about product reviews? The sort that basically says "I read your plan/product/report/etc it's great" Not much use to the vendor, affiliate or prospective buyer I would have thought. I've even been pitched products on and off line with Testimonials which read "Couldn't put it down" "read it in one sitting" or similar. So what! Fine if it's a novel, no use if it's a horse betting system.
Kev.

Thanks Kev!

That was the original question I raised; so many posts about how well written WSO products are, yet so few that state they actually made money with the same products.

I admit the title of the thread could have been closer to that subject, that was my fault. Also many who have posted have given good advice, which is great to get, but really did not answer the point I raised in the first place.

I'm glad you got the gist of the original post of this thread. I wasn't looking for advice on how I specifically can make money, though the title of the thread apparently implied that. As I said I do appreciate all the posts and the help on here, but yeah I would have liked it better if more of the posts dealt with my original thoughts in my first post.

Here is what I asked:

I guess what I am asking is, is there anything out there that really makes the money claimed, can keep making the money claimed, and can it be proven by posts? And if the answer is no, then why have a WSO forum to being with (or a Warrior forum)?

Nobody has really answered the first question, unless I missed it. But it is implied that the answer is no, which is fine. And that there is a WSO forum because there is, and perhaps it can be better regulated to not allow claims that can't be backed up. And that it is generally concluded that in order to succeed in internet marketing, one should not rely on WSOs, but do their own research to find what can be valuable for them.

I do want to add that I am a member of the War Room, I joined quite recently, and it is quite helpful.

[Geode]

Hi PerrMyk,
I wasn't "directing" at anyone I seem to have read the post without relating to the title! I was about to say "maybe the post didn't quite relate to the title". Seems Rich beat me to it.
Kev.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by mott

Thanks Kev!

That was the original question I raised; so many posts about how well written WSO products are, yet so few that state they actually made money with the same products.

I admit the title of the thread could have been closer to that subject, that was my fault. Also many who have posted have given good advice, which is great to get, but really did not answer the point I raised in the first place.

I'm glad you got the gist of the original post of this thread. I wasn't looking for advice on how I specifically can make money, though the title of the thread apparently implied that. As I said I do appreciate all the posts and the help on here, but yeah I would have liked it better if more of the posts dealt with my original thoughts in my first post.

Here is what I asked:



Nobody has really answered the first question, unless I missed it. But it is implied that the answer is no, which is fine. And that there is a WSO forum because there is, and perhaps it can be better regulated to not allow claims that can't be backed up. And that it is generally concluded that in order to succeed in internet marketing, one should not rely on WSOs, but do their own research to find what can be valuable for them.

I do want to add that I am a member of the War Room, I joined quite recently, and it is quite helpful.

I thought I answered it but I'll try to now do it to your satisfaction.


Is there a product out there that can make you the money it claims?

Yes.

Can it be proven by posts (i.e. testimonials)?

No.

Either people will not bother posting them (why should they? Do they owe
any kind of explanation? Maybe they want to keep the great system to
themselves so that few people get it)

Or...

You have to take what is posted with a grain of salt.

People lie. Get used to it. Some are paid for their testimonial in some way.

You have no way of knowing if a testimonial is true or not. All you have
is their word.

Like I said, you want guarantees?

McDonald's has apps for $8 an hour.

I'm sure they're hiring.

[mott]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I thought I answered it but I'll try to now do it to your satisfaction.


Is there a product out there that can make you the money it claims?

Yes.

Can it be proven by posts (i.e. testimonials)?

No.

Either people will not bother posting them (why should they? Do they owe
any kind of explanation? Maybe they want to keep the great system to
themselves so that few people get it)

Or...

You have to take what is posted with a grain of salt.

People lie. Get used to it. Some are paid for their testimonial in some way.

You have no way of knowing if a testimonial is true or not. All you have
is their word.

Like I said, you want guarantees?

McDonald's has apps for $8 an hour.

I'm sure they're hiring.

No Steven you STILL haven't answered the question.

I never said I wanted a guarantee. I never even used the word "guarantee".

I asked why the same people who write how well written WSOs are, won't write if they heve been successful at themt. You have a WSO yourself, would you rather have 40 posts that say how well written it is, or one post saying "I tried Steven's WSO and I DID make money today!"

By the way, just because you've posted and been thanked so many times doesn't give you the right to be snide with your comments. I have as much right to ask questions as you do.

Thank you.