Internet Marketing Business... Really Ethical??

by StexM Banned
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Hi Warriors,

I have taken ​​an important decision about my business.

Until now I have worked like this:

TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

Well, this may also be earning a decent amount of money (especially when the numbers of the list starts to get interesting), BUT I do not love this system.

In practice, you take email contacts of thousands of people, often in desperate situations (financially and beyond), and begin to propose products on products, hundreds of junk products, that different in name only.

Always the same rubbish information, always re-edited, but always the same things, often discussing traffic ways.

People are tired of spending money for nothing.

Sales are in fact drastically reduced.

Even the launch of new products never achieve the results of product launches as a few years ago.

This is normal ... people are tired ... tired of throwing time and money.

Can easily sell products between $ 7 and $ 17, purchased by some desperate with the last change in the credit card.

I decided to put a stop to all this. It is not an ethical business.

The most that people can do is to teach to other people how to apply this "business" (coaching).. always the same:

TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

When the list traffic does not produce more sales, then people start to sell clicks (solo ads).

Is this a real business?

I decided to work on quality information that have nothing to do with this business model.

What do you think? What do you think about the IM niche?

Thanks for your opinions.
#business #ethical #internet #marketing
  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Well, some of your concerns are genuine but that's what lists are made for and by the way if buyers don't like what they buy, they can always hit the refund button. If someone is selling junk, let him have a high refund rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author frankm
      Originally Posted by datingworld View Post

      Well, some of your concerns are genuine but that's what lists are made for and by the way if buyers don't like what they buy, they can always hit the refund button. If someone is selling junk, let him have a high refund rate.
      That's what lists are made for? They're people on those lists ya know...
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  • Profile picture of the author Gambino
    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    and begin to propose products on products, hundreds of junk products, that different in name only.

    Always the same rubbish information, always re-edited, but always the same things, often discussing
    I'm no affiliate guru, but there are problems out there that people are trying to solve. There are affiliate products that help solve these problems. If you can't find a good affiliate product to solve these problems then take advantage of the opportunity to create one. Offer people value instead of "hundreds of junk products".
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    StexM,

    You seem to have your own warp view on how "Internet Marketing" works and you seemed to have blanketed everything through a narrow process.

    Everyone is free to run their business in whatever manner they wish. If the process you mentioned is the process you applied, then you will get results that are from your own doing.

    2 main points that you mixed together in your post:

    1. The question whether Internet marketing is ethical (and then you describe one particular process).

    2. That it's a churn and burn business that falls flat, not only with ethics, but with an empy bank account on your part and those that joined you in your ventures.

    To be honest... if that's your reality, then yes, that's what you will get.

    Personally, I enjoy helping others and only focusing in my area of expertise and not try to act as if I know everything about marketing. And I approach this business from a point of view that the people I am helping and selling to are family, friends, and peers - and the last thing I would want to do is anything unethical or hyped up. I'm upfront with what they're gonna get, and never try to sell them a pipe dream

    I guess it al comes down to your way of doing things... down to the way you treat your list, what kind of squeeze page you use, and beyond that is your own mind frame. This business gives me that freedom to decide if I"m going to help others or if I'm going to try to screw others over. If I wanted to screw others over, there are way more lucrative ways besides internet marketing.

    I think that overall the community is made up of mostly good people who stick around because others trust and enjoy working with them. I do believe that there is a correlation between the longevity of your business and how well you treat others and the value you provide.
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  • Profile picture of the author charming boy
    There is some high quality products though , and a lot of people are making a lot of cash from this business model .
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  • Profile picture of the author trevord92
    If you don't believe the products can help, why are you promoting them?

    There are plenty of decent quality products out there so there's no need to promote junk.

    Of course, whether your buyers apply the information is a different matter entirely but that's not your concern so long as you're being ethical in what you promote.
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  • Profile picture of the author PLR Basket
    Offering value is a great way to feel good about yourself, but the truth is that there are still people making tons of money selling junk. The thing with IM is that there is always new people coming in who aren't familiar with what we see as common knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieBeresford
    During the 5 or so years that I have been active online, I have largely found the same thing. In fact, I was a "victim" of sub-quality rubbish products on several occasions. Grrr. It's unfortunate that the same stuff keeps getting peddled as the next great push-button revolution that will solve all your financial problems. Nah, don't believe it anymore.

    There are some great products out there, but it's a bit like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

    That's why I moved to more offline activities, but still using the internet as a lead generation tool. Being accountable to real people in real businesses, satisfying real needs of matching real customers to valuable services is much more satisfying than hoping that the next IM newbie sucker comes along and spends their last $17 on rubbish.

    Thant's my opinion!
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  • Profile picture of the author carcin0genic
    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I have taken ​​an important decision about my business.

    Until now I have worked like this:

    TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

    Well, this may also be earning a decent amount of money (especially when the numbers of the list starts to get interesting), BUT I do not love this system.

    In practice, you take email contacts of thousands of people, often in desperate situations (financially and beyond), and begin to propose products on products, hundreds of junk products, that different in name only.

    Always the same rubbish information, always re-edited, but always the same things, often discussing traffic ways.

    People are tired of spending money for nothing.

    Sales are in fact drastically reduced.

    Even the launch of new products never achieve the results of product launches as a few years ago.

    This is normal ... people are tired ... tired of throwing time and money.

    Can easily sell products between $ 7 and $ 17, purchased by some desperate with the last change in the credit card.

    I decided to put a stop to all this. It is not an ethical business.

    The most that people can do is to teach to other people how to apply this "business" (coaching).. always the same:

    TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

    When the list traffic does not produce more sales, then people start to sell clicks (solo ads).

    Is this a real business?

    I decided to work on quality information that have nothing to do with this business model.

    What do you think? What do you think about the IM niche?

    Thanks for your opinions.
    I have never done business the way you describe that you used to.

    I have always been and always will be a value driven marketer.

    People buy from YOU not the crap you push. Resonate with them, help them with their problems, and always be available.

    This method takes time to build up steam but FAR surpasses your old traditional method.

    Hope this helps

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  • Profile picture of the author Kerryrus
    Hey StexM,

    I totally agree with you and I've also pivoted away from the 'usual' information marketing business funnel and way of marketing.

    I've had a few different mentors since I started my journey online back in May 2010 and yes, they all taught the same thing (pretty much).

    I've moved into blogging now and make my money as an affiliate recommending products I personally use and trust because I feel it's more ethical rather than creating products and 'pretending' to be an expert like most newbies are taught to do, you build an audience and earn their trust. Much more ethical in my opinion.

    Kerry
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    IM is NOT a niche. The Internet is one of several marketing venues. It seems you're talking about the make money online market, (MMO). You've also painted it with a very broad brush as not everyone selling how-to info products is a fraud.

    Is it unethical? Everything's relative. My definition of unethical is: anything I don't want done to me. Stick to conducting business with that in mind and you'll never go wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author ABN
    "Hate the player, not the game"

    Stex, the model is not the problem. If you feel that way about your situation, change the products/services. Make them better. You'll likely make more money and feel better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Is this a real business? I decided to work on quality information that have nothing to do with this business model.

    What do you think? What do you think about the IM niche?

    Thanks for your opinions.
    Travlinguy is right, IM is not a niche, it's not even a market. Though clearly, you're talking about the MMO niche (Make Money Online) which has plenty of micro-niches underneath it as well.

    Your post caught my attention because sending traffic to a squeeze page and then sending people offers (your list) in and of itself isn't ethical or unethical, it has to do with the value that you bring to your propsects.

    If a marketer chooses to promote products / services that they never use, have never reviewed and/or churn and burn their lists, then that action that they are doing is unethical.

    If a marketer chooses to review the products / services they promote and only recommends the ones they feel are a great value for the dollar AND they choose to build a real relationship with their list, then that's a different story altogether.

    I know of marketers who churn and burn their lists and they make a lot of money doing so and many of them go onto other projects; it works for them but that, to me, is not a real business. A real business behaves ethically, professionally, and with integrity.

    I've been called some nasty names by those who think I'm a naive boyscout, yet my focus is on the Lifetime Value of the customer and my longterm profits will continue to grow for decades until I die.

    To the OP, I think your heart is in the right place but you're a bit misguided. It's not the sales funnel itself that is unethical, it's how you set up your sales funnel and how much value you bring to the table and how you conduct yourself and your business is where ethics comes into play.

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  • Profile picture of the author Geeked Labs
    Sounds like you're ready for a job mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    I have taken ​​an important decision about my business.

    Until now I have worked like this:

    TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

    [...]
    Always the same rubbish information, always re-edited, but always the same things, often discussing traffic ways.

    [...]

    Sales are in fact drastically reduced.
    That is excellent that you have made a decision about your business!

    You should only sell what you consider excellent. Otherwise you are right: I would not be ethical.

    Originally Posted by ABN View Post

    "Hate the player, not the game"

    Stex, the model is not the problem. If you feel that way about your situation, change the products/services. Make them better. You'll likely make more money and feel better.
    That is well said!

    There are people who try to sell junk. Like in the real world.

    That does not mean that everything that is being sold is junk.
    There are many excellent products out there and you can learn
    a lot if you buy them and study them and most importantly
    use what is being taught.

    The only product that will work if you simply get it and sleep on it is a pillow. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author StexM
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      I sincerely thank all the persons involved in this thread.

      I love to read your comments regarding this topic, and I decided to go to the good way.

      Surely you can make a lot of money screwing up own list, and then you can start quickly when it is no longer profitable, but I do not like this business model.

      Obviously I apologize when I talked about the IM.

      Is too a general term.

      I was talking about the MMO niche, like most of you have perfectly understood.

      And of course, the problem was not even the sales funnel, it nor how to build or manage own list.

      The problem was precisely that of the VALUE.

      Come on guys, let's be clear.

      Most of the products are a jumble of old information, written and presented again from time to time reselled with different name.

      Miraculous software or membership or coaching that take you to earn $ 10,000 dollars from the first month.

      Stuff sold at $ 7 - $ 17 - $ 27 or $ 37.

      What value can have this stuff?

      I know because I've bought so much when I was a novice.

      It has a value close to zero.

      In the best case gives you a little motivational value and nothing else.

      To make more money we need to propose different stuff every month to our list, so often do not have time to test everything.

      Also it is really hard to find something good out there (Jvzoo, Clicksure, Clickbank .... all rubbish ... only a handful of products is just salable condition).

      The only sales pages make one shiver ... unattainable promises, fake PayPal screenshots... testimonials exchange between Internet Marketers (everyone leaves the testimony of the other product in exchange for a free copy of the product).

      All of this is ethical?

      Not to mention the coaching!

      People that teach you to start this diabolical business model. You squeeze money from the pockets of your subscribers.

      Often people are treated as numbers, especially when it comes to resell the traffic generated from the mailing list.

      NO.

      I'm sorry but it's time to say enough.

      I decided to adopt a different business model.

      Build a GREAT product, distribute quality information, sell it, create partners that help me sell my quality information, and then propose an annual update (IM runs fast, so you need to update often).

      PERIOD.

      I have to feel in peace with my conscience.

      If a product (it can be your own or an affiliate product) is good, really good and gets you the results it promises ... that there is reason to propose a new one the next day, or the week after???

      Same thing in other niches .... as that of weight loss.

      If your product that promises to make me lose so much weight in 3 weeks really works ... why suggest me another one , and then another, and another again???

      It means that you are trying desperately to get to the profit, and that this stuff is not worth what it costs nothing!

      This is my opinion, and from what I read here in this thread, it is the opinion of many others.

      Sometimes I see these Internet Marketers to live at the beach, spend weeks of their lives at sea, perhaps in Florida, throughout the day at the pool drinking Moji.... with the money of the poor desperate people who bought the junk that YOU have proposed... thing... that Mojito ... are you sure that it don't burn in your throat when you drink it down?

      Thanks at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author StexM
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    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    ....and you, of course, have the only product that works.
    do not be sarcastic guy ... it's not just air

    I HAVEN't magic formula for nothing.

    I simply want to open the eyes of the people, and I want to teach him that they can make a lot more money ethically.

    No lists to create and burn quickly.

    Building RELATIONSHIPS, helping those in need.

    Even without selling anything (initially).

    Obviously we have to make a profit, but you can do it by giving away quality information.

    I am not alone in wanting to do it, I'm sure of that.

    But this thread I hope will make think many of our colleagues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
    Well the honest truth is that people want the benefit of money without building a business... People want something for nothing and want the easy way out.

    Product creators and business people know it takes hard work to build a business and they know that others don't want to go throught this hard work phase so they promote easy, quick, and fast ways to make money to people.

    Almost like the diet industry. Millions of products promoting quick-fast easy ways to lose 20+ pounds, when we all deep down know the only way to lose weight is to eat right and exercise.

    Don't think it's a bad model. I think it's just business... I think it's great to create great products to help people, but if people won't help themselves it wont matter.

    It's all mental...
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  • Profile picture of the author ShawnHansen
    Hi StexM!

    No matter the business model or the price point, there will be products and providers who offer quality and those who don't.

    The other factor, though, is the buyer: Often a $7 or $17 or $37 product is EXCELLENT; however, what it isn't is a magic-money button. Lots of folks confuse buying a product designed to teach them how to MMO with actually following through and doing the work required to MAKE that money.

    I have a variety of products in the ranges you note that are excellent, but if the individual who makes the purchase doesn't put the information/training into practice, it's going to be a bust.

    Obviously, you are trying to move toward a business model that's focused on quality products, and that's great, but don't be short sighted by presuming the cost of a product determines its value. (Imagine how good you will look to your list if you find lower-end products that ARE top quality!)

    Do your due diligence: Research the product, and the producer, and get your hands on a review copy or make a purchase. Evaluate the item on your own, and be the guide for your list.

    That's going to work every time.
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    • Profile picture of the author StexM
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      Originally Posted by ShawnHansen View Post

      Hi StexM!

      No matter the business model or the price point, there will be products and providers who offer quality and those who don't.

      The other factor, though, is the buyer: Often a $7 or $17 or $37 product is EXCELLENT; however, what it isn't is a magic-money button. Lots of folks confuse buying a product designed to teach them how to MMO with actually following through and doing the work required to MAKE that money.

      I have a variety of products in the ranges you note that are excellent, but if the individual who makes the purchase doesn't put the information/training into practice, it's going to be a bust.

      Obviously, you are trying to move toward a business model that's focused on quality products, and that's great, but don't be short sighted by presuming the cost of a product determines its value. (Imagine how good you will look to your list if you find lower-end products that ARE top quality!)

      Do your due diligence: Research the product, and the producer, and get your hands on a review copy or make a purchase. Evaluate the item on your own, and be the guide for your list.

      That's going to work every time.
      I like your words, and I agree.

      What I hate most about all this is the fact that every 5 - 7 days all people have to launch a new product.

      Are we sure that this is done for the sake of our list???

      Or people do it for the profit of own pockets???

      Think about it. Product. Product launch. 30.000-50.000 dollars of profit. Another product. Other launch. 30.000-50.000 dollars.

      Just NOT teaching people how to make money online people can not break this chain!

      I want to change the business model ... product / content / value / collaboration.

      What I can offer is upgrading the product, only after people have seen at first hand the value of the product.

      This is very different from launching every week a "different" product (the usual stuff) under a different name and packaging!!
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      • Profile picture of the author clever7
        Originally Posted by StexM View Post

        I like your words, and I agree.

        What I hate most about all this is the fact that every 5 - 7 days all people have to launch a new product.

        Are we sure that this is done for the sake of our list???

        Or people do it for the profit of own pockets???

        Think about it. Product. Product launch. 30.000-50.000 dollars of profit. Another product. Other launch. 30.000-50.000 dollars.

        Just NOT teaching people how to make money online people can not break this chain!

        I want to change the business model ... product / content / value / collaboration.

        What I can offer is upgrading the product, only after people have seen at first hand the value of the product.

        This is very different from launching every week a "different" product (the usual stuff) under a different name and packaging!!
        I'm glad because you dislike the falsity and the manipulation used by many dishonest marketers to make money, and because you don't want to follow this model.

        There is a lot of dishonesty online and offline. This is a very sad fact, which doesn't characterize only money-making opportunities.

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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by ShawnHansen View Post

      Hi StexM!

      No matter the business model or the price point, there will be products and providers who offer quality and those who don't.

      The other factor, though, is the buyer: Often a $7 or $17 or $37 product is EXCELLENT; however, what it isn't is a magic-money button. Lots of folks confuse buying a product designed to teach them how to MMO with actually following through and doing the work required to MAKE that money.

      I have a variety of products in the ranges you note that are excellent, but if the individual who makes the purchase doesn't put the information/training into practice, it's going to be a bust.

      Obviously, you are trying to move toward a business model that's focused on quality products, and that's great, but don't be short sighted by presuming the cost of a product determines its value. (Imagine how good you will look to your list if you find lower-end products that ARE top quality!)

      Do your due diligence: Research the product, and the producer, and get your hands on a review copy or make a purchase. Evaluate the item on your own, and be the guide for your list.

      That's going to work every time.
      I market a "How To" eBook, but the big difference is that I don't need to make money from it. I do it as a hobby, but if I gave it away for free I would be swamped by opportunists, wannabees, and the plain curious.

      Just to explain quickly, I am a workaholic forced to retire due to major surgery that did not go well. Workaholics can't retire, so I published the book and am having a great time helping people.

      I don't use any gimmicks to sell my book. The price is a round figure, not ending in a 7, even though I well understand the psychology of using that number or a 9. I don't offer any freebies other than the personal support that really amounts to mentoring. I don't consider that a freebie - I see it as an essential part of teaching someone. Does anyone go to college and just read books, or does a teacher give them some help? There is no hyped up selling involved.

      People buy my book or they don't.

      The thing that prompted my response is what you said: "if the individual who makes the purchase doesn't put the information/training into practice, it's going to be a bust." There is no doubt that many who buy my book are like that - just dreamers. They don't even ask any questions after buying it.

      Others are clearly serious, and really want to make a success of their business. I see evidence of them working hard on the project, and when I finally see that they have been successful I am delighted.

      I know that my situation is unusual, but surely it could be a model for running any online business. Provide real value. Be genuinely helpful. Go the extra mile.

      It pays off for me in terms of immense satisfaction. It could pay off for anybody in terms of profit.

      The letters of thanks that I get are amazing, and I publish extracts from a few of them. I am also prepared to provide proof to the FTC or the fair trading authorities in any country should someone claim that they are not genuine. Anyone using fake testimonials should be aware that they could be liable to prosecution.
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  • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
    I actually had the same question and concerns earlier this year. My conclusion is that you are simply selling dreams to dream chasers. Eventually those dream chasers (at least some of them) will come to the realization that they need to stop dreaming and take action. If you provide information constantly pushing the idea of taking action, then they should eventually come to the conclusion that they have heard the idea of taking action a million times and they will eventually take action. All you have to provide are the action steps, make it clear to them on how to understand the importance of selling and hype in our industry. This is what they're blinded by, bring it into clear reality and show them how hard it is to make money online rather than selling them just the products and not giving them anything to work by.


    Think of it like this, your the instruction manual and the course you just sold them is the action plan, a map of how it works. If they have any questions, be a reference to them so that they are not lost. The list building model definitely questions your morality and ethics, but life is all about perception and how you decide to use and see what it is your doing is ultimately up to you. Its all about your intent, if your intent is to just make money than you need to realize that making money is about making money and has absoluty nothing to do with how you feel about it.

    But if you want to help people, then you provide resources and give them the steps instead of just selling them the hype. Making allot of money isn't for everyone and honesty doesn't pay without allot of extra effort and sacrifice. It's not easy being a salesmen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Tandan
    Marketing is about bringing value. Period. If you feel you're pushing 'rubbish' on people (your words) then you're no longer bringing value.
    The system works, the funnel works. But the key is delivering the goods, as in value. Have a good hard look at your list, what they're looking for, then go spend some serious time looking for products that offer awesome value to help them out.
    There aren't too many other places where people can get access to seriously amazing WSO content for the prices offered here. Just find the products that suit.
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  • Profile picture of the author chall
    I applaud your post.I have bought into alot of junk products to the tune of 40,000 dollars.I wasted 5 years thinking this would be it.I ended up filing for bankruptcy,very depressed,and had alot of headaches .I was more confused then when I first started.I am probably not as smart as most of you are.
    I am taking a course by Dean Holland and I have new found hope and direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I have taken ​​an important decision about my business.

    Until now I have worked like this:

    TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

    Well, this may also be earning a decent amount of money (especially when the numbers of the list starts to get interesting), BUT I do not love this system.

    In practice, you take email contacts of thousands of people, often in desperate situations (financially and beyond), and begin to propose products on products, hundreds of junk products, that different in name only.

    Always the same rubbish information, always re-edited, but always the same things, often discussing traffic ways.

    People are tired of spending money for nothing.

    Sales are in fact drastically reduced.

    Even the launch of new products never achieve the results of product launches as a few years ago.

    This is normal ... people are tired ... tired of throwing time and money.

    Can easily sell products between $ 7 and $ 17, purchased by some desperate with the last change in the credit card.

    I decided to put a stop to all this. It is not an ethical business.

    The most that people can do is to teach to other people how to apply this "business" (coaching).. always the same:

    TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS

    When the list traffic does not produce more sales, then people start to sell clicks (solo ads).

    Is this a real business?
    Sounds like you're projecting exactly what's been happening in your business my friend.

    Especially the list not producing any more sales. Sounds like you'll be selling clicks on safeswaps soon...
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    Only the strong survive and only the ones that give the most value remain on top.
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      Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      Only the strong survive and only the ones that give the most value remain on top.
      He who controls the traffic holds the keys to the castle
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Stex, you gotta do what you love doing! Feel good about what you do. Generate good karma. See success. I was unclear on the make money online bit until last year so I struggled. Then I got really clear on what I was doing, acted, and attracted success, because I believed in my gigs and felt wonderful about them. Do what vibes with you
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  • Profile picture of the author Irmscher
    The secret is, when you have a nice valuable product you don't need to be aggressive with your marketing anymore. So the truth is: the crappier is the product, the more pushy is the sales letter and marketing style. I'm quite sure most of people got fed up with pushy peddlers so it can do more harm than good these days.
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  • The definition of "rubbish" among the posters in this thread seems to differ depending on what level you're at as a marketer..

    There will always be those who need to know the basic fundementals although I personally lean more toward promoting "systems" things that aide in actually implementing the stuff inside the best ebooks.

    Also a good thing to do would be to screen the products you promote a bit better in order to avoid promoting what you yourself consider "rubbish"
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Langham
    If you are proud of what it is you are offering and selling to your end clients, then this shouldn't be a problem.

    Think of a really good store you like, it could be a store selling laptop's, PC's, food anything. If you respect their advice and quality of goods they offer, then try to understand why. For me it will always come back to the same answer, the quality of what they are offering meets your requirements.

    The fact that you bring people into your 'store' via an email shouldn't change things.

    Concentrate on giving them quality follow up emails and content.

    The whole thing rests in your hands.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    No different to a bank or Government....they shaft people on mass for everythingoften.
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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    so true

    "the harder they have to advertise the worse the product is.."

    The secret is, when you have a nice valuable product you don't need to be aggressive with your marketing anymore. So the truth is: the crappier is the product, the more pushy is the sales letter and marketing style. I'm quite sure most of people got fed up with pushy peddlers so it can do more harm than good these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    In practice, you take email contacts of thousands of people, often in desperate situations (financially and beyond), and begin to propose products on products, hundreds of junk products, that different in name only.

    Always the same rubbish information, always re-edited, but always the same things, often discussing traffic ways.
    Perhaps YOU do this. But I sure as heck dont. This kind of generalization is silly.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    People are tired of spending money for nothing.
    You should edit this to say, people are tired of spending money to DO nothing. The problem is people spend money and then do nothing with there purchase. STOP blaiming the seller and start taking responsibility for your own success or failure.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    Sales are in fact drastically reduced.
    Where did you get this statistic from? Did you do some kind of survey of say 1000 product sellers? Id like to see the results of your survey. As for myself. 6 months ago I was selling software and averaging 130 copies per month. Now Im averaging 227 or so copies a month .. so I dont know where your getting your data from.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    Even the launch of new products never achieve the results of product launches as a few years ago.
    Again where are you getting your data from? I can point out 3 $100,000+ product launches in the last 30 days alone.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    This is normal ... people are tired ... tired of throwing time and money.
    Who are these people? Again did you do a survey? How many people did you survey? Or are you once again making a silly blanket statement without any empirical data to back up your statement.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    Can easily sell products between $ 7 and $ 17, purchased by some desperate with the last change in the credit card.
    Im not sure what this is suppose to even mean.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    I decided to put a stop to all this. It is not an ethical business.
    Sounds like you bought a few products. Didnt get rich overnight while you slept and now your crying about it. Guess what no product is going to make you money. There just tools. You have to do the work. Sorry to burst your bubble. But there is no free lunch in IM.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    The most that people can do is to teach to other people how to apply this "business" (coaching).. always the same:
    From my experience most sellers dont sell coaching (I dont), but yes Im in the IM niche

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    TRAFFIC > SQUEEZE + SALES FUNNEL > FOLLOW UP WITH AFFILIATE PRODUCTS
    This is NOT the only way to make money online. Sorry!

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    When the list traffic does not produce more sales, then people start to sell clicks (solo ads).
    Once again a generalization, so you know what EVERYONE does? Because you have spoken to hundreds of people with lists that make no sales and this is what they all do right? Come on dude. Stop making these general statements about things you dont know. Its stupid.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    Is this a real business?
    Well the IRS sure thinks its a real business. And Im sure they will be happy its a real business when they cash the check I just sent them for the 2013 tax year.
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