Common sense could be our friend

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You know it's kind of sad that so many threads and so much energy is lost on debating principles and issues in this forum that could be resolved with a little common sense!

Increasingly, it seems like we are debating things that should have no debate.

Of course it's wrong to snatch images off the Internet and use them for your own purposes.

Of course it's wrong to write reviews of products you haven't used.

Of course it's wrong to lie in your marketing.

Of course it's wrong to claim scarcity where none exists.

Of course it's wrong to claim income that was never generated.

Of course it's wrong to peddle products you know are totally useless.

Of course it's wrong to use other people's content without permission.

What has happened to reason, honesty, and sadly, good ole common sense?

You're marketing to people - just like you - that want to be treated fairly, honestly, and with decency and respect.

We spend a lot of time in this forum debating things about which there should be no debate.

The best to all of you.

Steve
#common #friend #sense
  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Great post, Steve. Is it OK if I copy it to sell as a WSO?

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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    You made some excellent points here. The content theft one is my biggest pet peeve.

    I was actually going to recommend a sticky on the issue of copyright infringement since it comes up so often.

    It astounds me how many people think its okay to use someone elses work without permission. It's blatant theft. And as someone who writes a lot of content, it boils my blood to think someone would just take an article I've written and copy/paste it to their site. Even a short article can take hours to write, depending on the subject and research involved.

    People who do that not only lack common sense, they're just plain lazy.

    Someone said that common sense isn't so common. Very true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    have you ever tried asking a question on a site like stack exchange?

    If the WF was moderated like that 75% of post wouldn't exist.

    they don't allow (I don't want to say stupid) post that have already been answered or are overly general like:

    how do i earn online?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Having said that, we all tend to borrow ideas and plans from one another. There is not really that much originality in the world. Variations on a theme is what keeps the marketing world spinning on its axis. If you are going to become particularly exact or moralising about 'exchanged' info then you should make sure your own business stocks are in order. Hell, we copy each other on a daily basis without even thinking about it that much.
    Intentional and calculated theft, well that's another matter ...
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It's amazing how uncommon common sense is nowadays. Great list, Steve but some of it is purely subjective. What might be trash to someone else might be gold to you and vice versa.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      ...but some of it is purely subjective. What might be trash to someone else might be gold to you and vice versa.
      As a matter of interest, which point(s) in the OP do you consider subjective?


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      • Profile picture of the author Dani78
        Great points!

        unfortunately common sense is not too common
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    You should probably define "wrong" since some of your "Of course you shouldn't..." items are perfectly legal or would need a few caveats depending on the situation.

    For example, many images you can "snatch" online are public domain or fall under a permissive creative commons license. You should add the caveat "copyright images you do not have the right to snatch".

    It is also not strictly "wrong", in the legal sense, to review things you have not personally seen or tested. There would need be caveats to that statement as well.

    For example, one could use and compare statistics gathered by others and public domain information published by the government to create a "review" of the best diet to reduce cholesterol among a selection of types of diets (Mediterranean, High Fibre, Vegetarian, Vegan) without actually spending time eating a vegan or Mediterranean diet.

    See? More caveats.

    It should be common sense to use less pejorative and more precise terms.

    It is sweeping generalizations and inaccurate terminology along with imprecise or confusing terms like "wrong" that cause many of the problems as much as any lack of common sense in the discussions.

    Not that I am saying there doesn't need to be more common sense around here, but this post is typical of those that are very judgemental of other members by using sweeping generalizations about what is "right", "wrong" or "common sense".

    Edit: "Subjective" means in that person's opinion. Since many of the items listed as "wrong" are not technically "illegal" then it is only the OPs opinion they are "wrong" in the general way he stated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      You should probably define "wrong" since some of your "Of course you shouldn't..." items are perfectly legal or would need a few caveats depending on the situation.

      Subie,

      This comment is exactly what I'm talking about. Members here at the forum shouldn't have to carefully define what is right or wrong for most folks. Why can't marketers simply use more common sense and think through their questions and issues prior to posting their threads in the forum?

      It was not my point, for example, to lay out every possible example of when using images you don't own might be OK. That's not the point of the thread.

      When someone has a particular question about some exception to the rule, in my mind, that's a legitimate reason for a call for help from the forum.


      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      . . . this post is typical of those that are very judgemental of other members by using sweeping generalizations about what is "right", "wrong" or "common sense".
      Isn't this exactly what I'm trying to point out? Can't folks figure out for themselves what stealing content means? Isn't it pretty obvious that we can agree that if you give a review to a product you've actually had experience with it? Why should forum members have to debate what is right or wrong in the eyes of the majority of members?


      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      Since many of the items listed as "wrong" are not technically "illegal" then it is only the OPs opinion they are "wrong" in the general way he stated.
      I stand by what I said.

      If common sense tells you something is wrong, regardless of whether it is "not technically illegal" (as you say) then you shouldn't do it!

      Let's not be confused about the "letter of the law" and obsessed with all the technicalities we can find to make something seem legal. If it's wrong, it's wrong.

      And yes, this is wholly my opinion. I thought that's what forums were for.

      To your success in marketing!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author onSubie
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        It was not my point, for example, to lay out every possible example of when using images you don't own might be OK. That's not the point of the thread.
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        I stand by what I said.
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        And yes, this is wholly my opinion. I thought that's what forums were for.

        I did not mean to seem to be disagreeing with you, Simply pointing out that there are always exeptions and it is risky to make blanket judgements.

        In fact, I said that I agreed more common sense in the forum is required.

        But these lists of "Thou shalt..." or "Thou shalt not..." come up in the forum all the time and they are always light on practical details and tend make broad generalizations that do not help a new marketer actually figure out what is "good" behavior and what is "bad" behaviour.

        And I did not begrudge you for your opinion- someone else asked what "Subjective" meant.



        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        If common sense tells you something is wrong, regardless of whether it is "not technically illegal" (as you say) then you shouldn't do it!

        Let's not be confused about the "letter of the law" and obsessed with all the technicalities we can find to make something seem legal. If it's wrong, it's wrong.
        "If it's wrong, it's wrong"? Kind of my point of the need define "wrong" since few of the points are objectively "wrong" without context.

        So what is the point of the thread?

        To get a bunch of "Amen, brother!" replies without any discussion?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve B
          Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

          So what is the point of the thread?

          Subie,

          Discussion on every thread is great, I welcome it whenever I post . . . and no, I'm not looking for a bunch of "amens."

          I'm sorry you can't figure out what the point of this thread is - maybe read the OP again without focusing on caveats and technicalities.

          If it fits your situation - great. If not, just disregard.

          The best to all of you.

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Notice many of these people who are asking about these things are also the ones asking why they are not making any money. You know what. I have never lied to a customer. I have never tricked someone into buying my products and I have never (intentionally) went back on my word. Guess what else. In the 6 years that I have been working online I have never been without a paycheck.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Great post Steve, even though there are one or
    Two long winded replies that say otherwise .

    May I just say that unfortunately not everyone has the
    Ability to exercise common sense, hence you see some of the
    Stupidest questions appear on forums.

    Also, because these forums have members from all over the world Its fair to say we don't all share the same beliefs/culture.

    What we may see as stealing,lying,cheating etc. other people may find
    Acceptable...
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  • Profile picture of the author ghosttent
    Excellent post! I think Google makes the Internet changing into a new world with few common senses.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    There are many people in this forum who believe that making money doesn’t depend on honesty. This is why they make funny questions.







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    Great piece of advice Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Graham Darch
    Great Post Steve,

    I have been a reader of this forum for long.

    Funny enough I have seen some posts on this forum where poster asks how to make few bucks or how to make money online or maybe I am giving up because I have tried and couldn't make money and when you look at their signatures, it would say "find out how I made $500 in 2 hours" "Catch my formula of making $1000 per day" "I can help you make $10000 a month"

    What a hypocrisy; same people begging others to find out on how to make some money are teaching others how to make fortunes. What a hypocrisy in the world of marketing. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post


    Of course it's wrong to write reviews of products you haven't used.
    People don't care if this is wrong or not. They just do it anyway and make money every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Tandan
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    You know it's kind of sad that so many threads and so much energy is lost on debating principles and issues in this forum that could be resolved with a little common sense!

    Increasingly, it seems like we are debating things that should have no debate.

    Of course it's wrong to snatch images off the Internet and use them for your own purposes.

    Of course it's wrong to write reviews of products you haven't used.

    Of course it's wrong to lie in your marketing.

    Of course it's wrong to claim scarcity where none exists.

    Of course it's wrong to claim income that was never generated.

    Of course it's wrong to peddle products you know are totally useless.

    Of course it's wrong to use other people's content without permission.

    What has happened to reason, honesty, and sadly, good ole common sense?

    You're marketing to people - just like you - that want to be treated fairly, honestly, and with decency and respect.

    We spend a lot of time in this forum debating things about which there should be no debate.

    The best to all of you.

    Steve
    Hey Steve, thanks for this. A mentor of mine once defined marketing as the act of giving value. Sometimes I think that gets forgotten in the world of internet marketing. Of course the above are wrong.
    And as I say, if it feels wrong, it usually is.

    Best,
    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Tandan
    Oh and I almost forgot - you know what they say about common sense?
    It ain't that common.
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  • Profile picture of the author lukeblower
    Thanks for this- of course outright lying is wrong but Seth Godin's take on it that you tell the story then live the story to make it authentic is an interesting way of looking at it. It makes the line between honest/dishonest more of a grey area.
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