"Internet Traffic Formula"

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<pulling hair out of head and start of rant>

$997 for a "traffic generation formula" just came out

Okay, I'm sure that Vick has put a lot of time into his training and maybe its good. I don't know, I haven't seen it other than his sales video today so I can't speak to it specifically. BUT ...

1) The "youtube formula" is pretty simple. CREATE VIDEOS. Yeah, that's the actual secret. Create them, and create them, and create them, and keep doing it. I can't remember the dudes name now but some guy did nothing but that for a wine tasting channel and became like some internet marketing super hero. The only thing he did was simply NOT FRIGGEN STOP CREATING WINE TASTING VIDEOS. For something like 3 years he created two or three videos a week. That's it, that's the secret. \

1a) Make your videos on keyphrases, go to fiverr and get a "social signals" package thrown at it and your video will probably rank well for good keyphrases and get your videos even more traffic

1b) Make sure your videos direct people to a good landing page where they can give their name and email address to get even more info. Use phrases like, "when you sign up using the link below I'll explain more about this." Do that a few times each video.

2) Facebook Advertising ... Go "native". In other words have some ads that are in the actual newsfeed stream that go to some ACTUAL CONTENT on your own facebook page. Have a second part of the content that someone gets when they sign up to your list.

2a) edit: Advertising on facebook is substantially cheaper this way when you are trying to leave someone on FB for the ad. So the ad goes to a page which has a video on it with good content. The video is in two parts and its only the first part that is on the FB page. Again, to get the second video you direct them to a sign up form. If the first video is good, CTR to the form is amazingly high.

3) CPA "secrets" ... Go to a CPA network and tell them you want to be a merchant and you'll pay $1 per person that subscribes to your list. The catch is that most CPA networks require a pretty hefty deposit to get started with them and is a bit "out of range" for most people. It's a good strategy though if you can afford it.

4) Media Traffic X (basically banner advertising) ... give me a break. CTR's are dropping like a rock at the same time costs are going up. I've actually HALTED all of my "media buys" in favor of scaling up more facebook "native advertising". (and yeah, by the way tip 2 pretty much sums up Ryan's "native advertising" thing he has)

Should I go on?

Here's an idea that I'd like to give to everyone in this forum.

Instead of blowing $997 why not instead check out this WF forum post: All In One: Traffic Tips right here on the WF for free instead?

Now it's true that those are simply traffic generation ideas and not full blown training on each and every technique.

HOWEVER. I'd wager dollars to donuts that if you simply did a search on each technique right here on the WF (or on youtube) you could probably get detailed training on each traffic generation method.

No cost needed.

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#internet traffic formula
  • Profile picture of the author itwillbefun
    You mean to tell me... that if I click that link... I can learn...FOR FREE?

    Long live the internet, long live the suckers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    I'm pretty sure your cute little rant belongs in the review forum, not here
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    • Profile picture of the author StanHyeck
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      I'm pretty sure your cute little rant belongs in the review forum, not here
      Except that it isn't a review. I haven't purchased the product so how could I review it?

      This isn't a review, it's more about trying to get people to think about dropping 1 large on a product when they can probably get much more info from a single post right here on the WF
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    I agree.

    There are so many products like this one out there that have ridiculous price tags and are full of extremely basic information.

    But don't forget that people actually buy these products!

    ...It's a little bit sad.
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    • Profile picture of the author StanHyeck
      Originally Posted by TimothyTorrents View Post

      But don't forget that people actually buy these products!

      ...It's a little bit sad.
      Dude, I was one of those people that bought those products for a VERY long time.

      It's why I went on my little rant.

      It wasn't until I distilled my business down to the very basics, stopped chasing gurus and launches, removed myself from email lists ... and focused on DOING STUFF that success came (and with a shocking speed)
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      • Profile picture of the author bdpop
        Originally Posted by StanHyeck View Post

        It wasn't until I distilled my business down to the very basics, stopped chasing gurus and launches, removed myself from email lists ... and focused on DOING STUFF that success came (and with a shocking speed)
        That's what I'm talking about!
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  • Profile picture of the author jezzip
    I stand by with you on this Stan, too much hype out there, it's been the case for a while.

    You could argue that the information may be valuable to someone who is unaware of these marketing methods and if they follow the plan they have a good chance of seeing success - but I'm a firm believer that you can usually get this information online already without having to fork out a load of cash.

    It's marketing to marketers, you see it all the time. The only thing we can do is try to spread a bit of awareness out there and help guide people in the right direction when possible.

    So I commend you for your noble act, Sir...not enough of it out there
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  • Profile picture of the author evilclown
    Stan while I agree with you that many products aren't worth more than the case they are deliver in. Now what I don't agree with is you ranting when you don't even own the product. usually by experience the person doing the rant can't afford it and want it so bad, that to convince himself on forgetting about that he bashes the product.

    If you really want to make a difference with your words, build your own product and offer it for free. You will get so much more respect than some rant in a forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author StanHyeck
      Originally Posted by evilclown View Post

      Stan while I agree with you that many products aren't worth more than the case they are deliver in. Now what I don't agree with is you ranting when you don't even own the product. usually by experience the person doing the rant can't afford it and want it so bad, that to convince himself on forgetting about that he bashes the product.

      If you really want to make a difference with your words, build your own product and offer it for free. You will get so much more respect than some rant in a forum.
      Just did exactly that. Posted to the war room and awaiting mod approval for it :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Createuser
    Interesting Stan as a researcher (youtube and google mostly) I simply took notes then researched the different forms of traffic. One could start getting traffic without the high cost. Thanks for the tip its my first day here.
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    nothing wrong with a high price tag for the extremely basic stuff. majority of results come from basic stuff.

    i would like to say the same thing about giving away "Free Information." most likely the the person that receives the item/info for free would not even look/apply it at all. and it will do no good for that person. a high priced product would do more good than a free product.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldbear
    Stan,
    What a concept......"Common Sense"...Thanks a ton for the swift kick in the butt.
    You make nothing but common sense. Keep up the great straight thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Convicted scammer. Absolute disgrace to marketing.

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    • Profile picture of the author StanHyeck
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      Convicted scammer. Absolute disgrace to marketing.
      Whoa there nelly! :-)

      Lets be honest here. Vick clearly knows how to drive traffic. He's very obviously good at it.

      Yes he's made some mistakes in the past. That doesn't mean he's not very good at traffic generation. IN FACT it is demonstrative of exactly how good he is that he's still driving so much and making so much despite this.

      My gripe was with the idioticly high charge for traffic generation, especially since his product clearly focuses only on paid methods. If he were charging two payments of $197 or four of $97 I'd have left it alone.

      But a single 997 was just ... annoying as crap. The goal of my post was to try and get people to think before they plunked down a crap ton of money for something they can get for free right here on the WF.

      (edit: and for the record even if the course had been $19 I still wouldn't have gotten it for myself as I'm already generating as much paid traffic as I can spend so his course had little for me other than me looking at his sales cycle)
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Originally Posted by StanHyeck View Post

        Whoa there nelly! :-)

        Lets be honest here. Vick clearly knows how to drive traffic. He's very obviously good at it.

        Yes he's made some mistakes in the past. That doesn't mean he's not very good at traffic generation. IN FACT it is demonstrative of exactly how good he is that he's still driving so much and making so much despite this.

        My gripe was with the idioticly high charge for traffic generation, especially since his product clearly focuses only on paid methods. If he were charging two payments of $197 or four of $97 I'd have left it alone.

        But a single 997 was just ... annoying as crap. The goal of my post was to try and get people to think before they plunked down a crap ton of money for something they can get for free right here on the WF.

        (edit: and for the record even if the course had been $19 I still wouldn't have gotten it for myself as I'm already generating as much paid traffic as I can spend so his course had little for me other than me looking at his sales cycle)
        To be honest I was waiting for a mega launch of something like "High Traffic Academy 2.0" or something similar. All new methods etc

        But I think my mention of the Traffic Black Book proves both my point and yours quite well: his system is far over priced for what it is.

        I cited his unscrupulous past simply as indication to be cautious of his present products and practices. Being a masterful promoter of EN doesn't help his image in my eyes (I really don't like empower, sorry) and so when I see his campaigns connecting his high traffic academy with joining EN, to me that's just a recipe for disaster (he offered high traffic academy as a bonus to those who went all in with EN through him...all of this many moons ago).

        He's sells well and knows how to persuade people, I'll give him that.

        But I have to question the quality of his information when the systems he promotes, particularly EN, have such severely low return rates in regards to profit in terms of effort put in.

        In terms of mastering paid traffic there are others that I believe are better and don't charge massive amount to learn rehashed methods.
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

          He's sells well and knows how to persuade people, I'll give him that.
          The top MMO info product sellers owe their success to affiliates that will say anything to get their cut of the sale. It is through the lies of affiliates that "IM superstars" are born.
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  • Profile picture of the author sujanani
    Well one can either look for free information on the internet and get confused as to what to follow and what not or spend some money on training. there is nothing wrong in buying a product which trains you about something which you are not aware of and also you have a support system which helps you get rid of your doubts. So its an individual choice.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      I don't quite understand people when they elevate Vick to guru marketing status or whatever simply because he sells well.

      He's a millionaire marketer, but not someone I would model or follow, that's for sure.

      When I saw that video of him and his court case years ago and it sealed the deal for me.

      Some might cite that even other big marketers like Frank Kern started as email spammers. Vick just made a few mistakes but he's a lot better now.

      But you really have to consider the intent of this guy when he gets rich off of something like EmpowerNetwork. He's one of their main promoters, and to know a good part of his wealth comes from promoting systems like that doesn't sit well with me.

      When offline scammers go online that's often not a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopTier Profits
    Comments like this are what makes the WarriorForum funny.

    Except that it isn't a review. I haven't purchased the product so how could I review it?
    So, you've pointed out that you haven't purchased, so you can't review it.

    Correct.

    However, you also can't "judge" something from the outside looking in. If you haven't purchased it, don't make comments on it.

    I have actually purchased it - and I don't know where you got the information above from because the training content isn't even available yet, so you can't possibly comment on it.

    In regards to the price, $997 is relatively low for a launch like this. Even if you only get one "golden nugget" it would make the price point worth it, no?

    And lets not forget that Internet Traffic Formula isn't just about "generating traffic" that's just one module. The other two are "capture mastery" and "conversion mastery" and let me tell you, most peoples problem is CONVERSIONS not traffic, so why not learn from someone who is more than qualified to teach both?
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    • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
      Originally Posted by TopTier Profits View Post

      Comments like this are what makes the WarriorForum funny.



      So, you've pointed out that you haven't purchased, so you can't review it.

      Correct.

      However, you also can't "judge" something from the outside looking in. If you haven't purchased it, don't make comments on it.

      I have actually purchased it - and I don't know where you got the information above from because the training content isn't even available yet, so you can't possibly comment on it.

      In regards to the price, $997 is relatively low for a launch like this. Even if you only get one "golden nugget" it would make the price point worth it, no?

      And lets not forget that Internet Traffic Formula isn't just about "generating traffic" that's just one module. The other two are "capture mastery" and "conversion mastery" and let me tell you, most peoples problem is CONVERSIONS not traffic, so why not learn from someone who is more than qualified to teach both?
      I agree with you on all parts, if he can teach people how to convert traffic that's more valuable information than you'll ever need in internet marketing.

      I guess it was the second promo video where he mentions the data brokers and retargeting. This is an area which is crucial for conversion rates, so when he brought that up i was sure the course will be of good value for people wanting to get serious about MMO.

      However, he's not honest about the fact that it will take a lot of investment to get started as he claims everybody can start with this without mentioning this fact. I can see many people scraping their last $1000 together to buy the course only to find out they have nothing left to buy the traffic :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by JensSteyaert View Post

        However, he's not honest about the fact that it will take a lot of investment to get started as he claims everybody can start with this without mentioning this fact. I can see many people scraping their last $1000 together to buy the course only to find out they have nothing left to buy the traffic :rolleyes:
        Which is exactly why people need to stop buying mystery courses. You need to understand exactly what you are going to be taught before you sign up.

        And no, "how to get traffic" is not a proper disclosure of the materials in the course.
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    • Profile picture of the author StanHyeck
      Originally Posted by TopTier Profits View Post

      So, you've pointed out that you haven't purchased, so you can't review it.
      Once again, THIS WAS NOT A REVIEW OF THE PRODUCT. It was me expressing frustration over the price of something that once purchased would need many thousands more to actually utilize.

      However, you also can't "judge" something from the outside looking in. If you haven't purchased it, don't make comments on it.
      Uhhh ... sure I can. I don't own a BMW or a Rolls Royce. The BMW 755iL costs about 100k. The Rolls Royce Silver Cloud costs 250k. BMW owns Rolls and the new Silver Cloud is built on the 755iL platform.

      Therefore I can use that knowledge to call it pretty darn foolish to spend 250k on the Rolls.

      I'm not exactly "new" to internet marketing. I promise you that I have purchased and am aware of EVERY method of traffic generation there is and more likely than not I either do use, or have used, every single one of them.

      I have defended Vick's ability to generate traffic, defended that he probably knows what he's talking about and is well qualified to teach traffic generation.

      But selling a $997 course and saying ANYONE can use his course on PAID traffic generation is total B.S.

      I have actually purchased it - and I don't know where you got the information above from because the training content isn't even available yet, so you can't possibly comment on it.
      I actually can comment on it because he said the kinds of things he was going to teach. Or did you not see the sales video?

      In regards to the price, $997 is relatively low for a launch like this. Even if you only get one "golden nugget" it would make the price point worth it, no?
      If he were pitching this as something for experienced business owners with ongoing revenue streams then I wouldn't have a problem with the price at all.

      Instead he also said it was suitable for newbies which is probably totally not accurate at all. Why didn't he disclose how much these methods would take in terms of investment? Because he knows if he did it would MURDER his sales.

      And lets not forget that Internet Traffic Formula isn't just about "generating traffic" that's just one module. The other two are "capture mastery" and "conversion mastery" and let me tell you, most peoples problem is CONVERSIONS not traffic, so why not learn from someone who is more than qualified to teach both?
      Most people's problem isn't conversion. There's nine million landing page templates out there. And let me tell you something ... 90% conversions is so far off the mark it's laughable when talking about numbers like 10,000 from paid traffic.

      You actually gain access to the training and then tell me if I was wrong or not.

      And I'll wager not one single student, NOT ONE will even crack 50% conversions. I remember when Ryan Deiss showed a legitimate 51% conversion on something and even said how odd it was that people freaked out and said he had faked the numbers.

      Now along comes Vick ... with a HISTORY of "fudging numbers" ... claiming, and I quote, "60, 70, 80, and 90% conversion rates."

      It's total B.S.

      AND ONE MORE TIME.

      I am not at all arguing that his course won't have value. That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that targeting the course to newbies, charging 997 and not disclosing the somewhat MASSIVE additional costs that will be required is bogus.

      That's why I told people to check out the all in one traffic tips post on this forum before they spent (wasted) 997 on a product they then couldn't utilize.
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  • Profile picture of the author somiasana
    I am new here.Thanks for your sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author bymb
    whats funny is there are a ton of videos on this and not a one is showing 40k leads a day in the Auto responder So gonna have to go with this is a huge scam. i want to see legit screen shots. So im gonna judge it im gonna judge the heck out of something a con is selling me lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Azimuth
      You nailed it Stan! Thank You.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Folks are complaining... that $997 dude still making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    Spam at its finest lol I really hate that side of IM
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  • Profile picture of the author AlanB
    I like and admire Vick's success therefore I bought as fast
    as I could... BUT :confused: :confused: :confused:

    I am a bit disappointed and concerned...

    I purchased ITF within the first hour (paid $997)
    and I have not yet received the email with the 4 bonuses...

    It's been 8 days already...

    The 12 module videos are NOT available all at once...
    they spoon feed you one or two modules every Monday...
    so you have to wait an entire week to move forward...

    Mastery Traffic Modules 1 and 2 were supposed to be
    available yesterday Monday... but they are still showing "COMING SOON"

    I have called EN support several times and they just tell me
    that the Bonus emails will be sent "soon"... and that they are having
    technical difficulties loading the videos to the modules...
    (really? how hard can that be? they are tech savvy people!)

    There is a 14 day refund policy, but 8 days have gone by already and
    I have yet to receive all my modules or bonuses...

    I don't know whether to be MAD, CONFUSED, DISAPPOINTED, HOPEFUL
    that they will not take my money and leave...

    I just want to get my COMPLETE product and the bonuses and
    get started working...

    I really don't know why they opt to sell at a high ticket price and
    then NOT DELIVER the product as they promised...

    EVEN WORSE, I don't understand why Vick would put his reputation
    in the line by allowing this...

    Anybody else having the same problem...?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Dinero
    Vick is a brilliant marketer... not because of the quality of his products (mostly crap, very very basic stuff), but because of his ability to sell that same crap, and sell it time and time again, and at $997, mind you. He knows how to sell, and is brilliant at that... selling crap to people its not something I would do, but thats just me. Gurus are not gurus because of their knowledge, but because they can sell crap, and thats the thing you want to learn about these guys and the way they do it, if you want to make money, and of course, have no morals
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislewis217
    I did a little research this new method of traffic method of getting 80%-90% opt in rate which is from buying from agencies that have a proven list of buyers from their networks. I found that it's very questionable and has been covered by shows like dateline, cnn, and a few others. Selling people's purchase information and selling it is unethical in my book and although you can get high opt in rates, it's kind of liking purchasing a stolen stereo. Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author kalel76
    I just simply got my money back because I only wanted the damn cpa course but like AlanB said,,,they are tip toeing about releasing the course and has it set up the way they do to either GO PAST the 14 days for people to be even more disappointed after ALL the modules are released or just gamble at refunding your money and NOT knowing what is behind losing $997 AFTER THE 14 DAYS. I was smart and refunded. 14 days??? Really, and you dont get the full damn course at once!! The only thing of value was the damn easy lander pro capture page builder and that was for FREE and that was released in HTA...That video of him ducking the sentence of GOING jail really sheds light on Vick!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      Is this course any good? The marketplace will determine that. I personally did not buy it. I do know that paying for Internet marketing education can be a good idea if you actually learn from what you buy and then you apply it.

      Back in 2002 when I first started out in Internet marketing I visited this forum everyday and quickly learned a lot. I also bought Corey Rudl's "Internet Marketing Secrets" for $175 and really studied it. I learned a lot because I applied what he was teaching. That to me is the key whether it is a $7 report or $997 complete course.
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      • Profile picture of the author EskB
        A lot of spam action here! Seems like everybody is trying to sell something! Booo!
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