Business Model: Membership Model vs Selling Products

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Hi all,

I'm currently working on a website which is in the Video Marketing Niche.
I can't decide whether to sell my information/products individually, or if I should have a Membership based model in which I would drip feed my customers a couple of information packed posts every week... it may eventually include a community?

Please don't say "Obviously a Membership model then you have recurring income". I know that.. But, I want to know what is going to be more ENTICING to my customers. It would be easily possible for me to put out some new products to a list I have built up over time.

Will customers find it easier to part with say $7-$12 a month, or, $29-$59 for a particular product??

I look forward to your opinions (and maybe even facts).

Thanks,
Adam.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Adam...

    Obviously it varies but people are almost always going to prefer a one-time payment over a monthly subscription.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melissahoster
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    Originally Posted by addyonline View Post

    Hi all,

    I'm currently working on a website which is in the Video Marketing Niche.
    I can't decide whether to sell my information/products individually, or if I should have a Membership based model in which I would drip feed my customers a couple of information packed posts every week... it may eventually include a community?

    Please don't say "Obviously a Membership model then you have recurring income". I know that.. But, I want to know what is going to be more ENTICING to my customers. It would be easily possible for me to put out some new products to a list I have built up over time.

    Will customers find it easier to part with say $7-$12 a month, or, $29-$59 for a particular product??

    I look forward to your opinions (and maybe even facts).

    Thanks,
    Adam.
    My 2 cents - membership works better if you offer significant upgrades/advantages month on month so your customers feel they are getting something new every time they part with the monthly fees.

    But then, it depends a lot on the product and how exclusive it is.

    One time payment options are more preferred by people because that gives a feeling a "completely owning" something.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxGalitsyn
    Both subscription or one-time may work here. Why don't you offer them to choose what they prefer? Do both methods together. I know this is a double work but I think only this way you will find out what is the best model for your project.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Adam,

      I believe there are natural and logical reasons to have a membership site based upon the needs and desires of your audience and the niche you are in. Subscription (membership) payments are not the best model to choose simply because you would like on-going revenue.

      Membership sites are a logical outgrowth of:
      1. A niche where there is ongoing and important news, events, happenings, changes and the need to contact your members for ongoing updates. Examples of this type of site would include a stock market advisory service or a daily discount site where new information comes out continually.
      2. A niche where there are a ton of downloads that will be of interest to the members like a cooking site where new recipes are given or a sewing site where there are lots of patterns to download.
      3. A niche where the members would like continual training or help in learning a new skill. Examples might be a site that gives ongoing tutorials of Photoshop tips, or a site offering guitar lessons, or an on-going series of different yoga exercises.
      4. A niche where a particular skill or hobby is a passion for the members - it is an important part of their daily lives and they want to stay abreast of everything about the niche. Examples might be serious runners, professional photographers, genealogists or scrapbookers.
      5. A niche where professionals or serious participants might gather as part of an organized group, like an association of local business owners, a club or group of drama enthusiasts, or a volunteer organization.
      6. A niche where the impetus is on community and the social side of membership. Such groups like senior citizens, cruise ship travelers, trailer and RV owners, etc, often come together at membership sites to gain new friends, exchange information, and share their own experiences with other like-minded people.
      There are other reasons to have a membership site as well. What I'm saying is that certain niches and types of audiences lend themselves to subscription sites. This is where they (membership platforms) really shine.

      I don't think just extending one product after another to your audience is the way to run a subscription business. It's not a reason, in my opinion, why your members will keep coming back to the site.

      I hope this makes sense.

      The very best to you,

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidOlsen
    The Membership route is great because of the monthly income but you need to keep pumping fresh content out to the members, otherwise they won't stick around for very long. Unless you're in a very unique niche that no one else is in, your members will jump ship as soon as they realize that your competitors will sell them the whole course as a one-off.
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  • Profile picture of the author StanHyeck
    Originally Posted by addyonline View Post

    I want to know what is going to be more ENTICING to my customers.
    A full blown product funnel. A low end entry product (one time payment), with a larger upsell (one time payment), combined with a free month to a membership site.

    Want some stats ... (not meaning to sound like a jerk here) ... how about you test it out yourself. Get your own stats from your own customers. My stats in my markets don't matter.

    The reason I say that is HOW you build your list, with what kind of offer and the kind of language greatly depends on the kind of people that end up in your list and therefore the price points you can sell at, what kinds of offers they are most likely to respond to and so on.

    However very nearly without exception, a product funnel like I talked about above sells better than doing just a single product whether one time payment or recurring membership.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveDunn
    Some ideas for you.

    You can offer payment options, for example say your site site is $9/m you can offer a discount for a year.. ie $90 so they save by making a larger upfront payment.

    You could also position it as a 6 month payment plan, with lifetime access after this. Given the average retention rate is around 3 months, this gives members a fixed goal for payments and can reduce drop outs after this typical 3 month period.

    You can also sell your site on a low cost monthly fee and offer an upgrade once bought in to unlock everything for one cost.

    Also think about a very low cost fee to join a site and then single one off products that can available. Perhaps at a discount to those paying the monthly fee.

    Plenty of ways to combine benefits of membership sites with one off products.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Adam,

    If it is a membership site where they pay every month then you will want to give them new value/content each and every month.

    That is the obvious way.

    If you were going to allow them to pay once, I would not even consider to post new content for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    If you're dealing with total newbies then either one is an option. If your sales material is conjuring up a healthy level of skepticism (and it may, given the niche) then I would go with a no to low risk entry point and let the content prove itself to get them fully on board (whatever that means.... rebilling for months or a one time fee). If the content is just so-so (or I should say perceived that way) then you'll probably end up doing a one time fee since they won't rebill.

    If your target is existing marketers who just don't know video yet, nobody is going to pay you a monthly fee. Nobody in the game already wants to be drip fed content over multiple months. You could possibly have an alternative option for these people.
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  • Profile picture of the author cgfrom
    why not offer both thing.. monthly subscription and product sales.. for visitors to choose
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Elisson
    I would say its easier to start with a one-time product, eventually build some follow-ups for it, and then convert the whole thing into a monthly membership when you have enough content.

    Otherwise starting with a membership right away might be too challenging.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Agree with Steve's thoughtful answer. I start all of my niches with at least one product, sometimes roll out a couple, then *may* move into membership model where there is significant pull from my customers to do so.

    Worst thing in the world is jumping into a membership model before you have the customer demand to warrant it...membership content updates, communications, forums, etc...can be significant work, so you definitely want critical mass before you jump in.

    In my case, evolution is: Product 1 --> Group Coaching/Consulting (until reach multiples that indicate solid demand) ---> Membership ---> High End Consulting/Coaching

    Not all niches move through all 4 phases, but the ones that do become full-time ventures.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by jbsmith View Post

      . . . you definitely want critical mass before you jump in.

      JB is dead on. You don't want to get all dressed up with no place to go.

      Membership sites, done right, require a significant commitment of time, energy, and resources.

      It's best to offer a membership site once you have an audience that is asking for more, wants a premium level of information, and will support the enhanced service with their credit cards. Demand for the service is a much better predictor of success than anything else I know.

      Good luck to you,

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Foulds
        Both and let them decide how they want to pay.

        Im about to launch a $9997/annum or $947/ month service (bit of a discount for paying up front)
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  • Profile picture of the author rakhwas
    If you choose a membership site, you should know you will get a lot of customers, which will need high amount of support, which will take a lot of your time, and some of them angry, which attitudes which ruines your days :0)
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    Ok, there are two parts to this:

    1. It depends on exactly who you're marketing, to, but...

    If you're offering video marketing info, then your target audience is primarily going to be online entrepreneurs. Business owners. (Or aspiring entrepreneurs anyway.) So your price is way too low. Any kind of business-building info is way more valuable than that.

    If you're offering your info to complete business newbies, the price will be lower than if you're targeting existing business owners. But it's still worth way more than $30.

    But even if you choose to keep it at that price, offering monthly payments of $7 versus a one-time payment of $30 won't move the needle very much. $30 is pocket change for most people. You can easily drop that on dinner and a movie -- if you're going to McDonalds, that is. Payments on a $30 price is rather ridiculous.

    Now, if you're pricing your offer at $300, you might consider offering payments. But if you're going to offer your info at $30, just offer it for a one-time payment of $30, period.

    2. Don't offer an ongoing, monthly membership. That's called continuity and it's usually a hot topic because of that magic concept known as "recurring revenue."

    However, there's always attrition with ongoing, never-ending monthly payments. A certain percentage of people are always cancelling their membership and you always have to find new customers to replace them.

    Worse, it means you have to always find and provide new info to your membership to justify the fees.

    What is better is to create a program for a flat fee which goes for a specific length of time. Even when making monthly payments, people are much more likely to stick with you if they can see an end to the payments. If they're never-ending payments, people are much more likely to cancel.

    Put a price on it. Then offer it for 1) a single payment of that price or 2) monthly payments, either for 2-3 months or for each month the program runs. So, if your price is $300 and the program runs for 3 months, you can offer a payment plan of $100/month for 3 months.

    Actually, you'd charge slightly more for monthly payments: say, $120/mo for 3 months, for a total of $360. This allows someone to get into your program for less than $300, yet it compensates you for offering monthly payments. It also gives your peeps an incentive to make full payment since it's the best deal.

    With this setup, about half of your peeps will pay in full to get the best deal.

    It's also in complete price integrity: 1) It makes sense to charge a bit more for offering the convenience of a payment plan, yet 2) you're making it easy for anyone to access your info even if they don't have $300 right now and 3) you're offering a deal to those willing to pay in full (which is great for your cash flow).

    This is in complete alignment with the way people think. Everyone wants a deal, yet people will accept a small extra charge for convenience. It's why people are will to pay high prices, even for bad products.

    (Just look at McDonalds. Their food is awful. It's not even real food. But they're not in the business of selling food. They're in the business of selling convenience. And THAT is why they stay in business.)

    Yet, you will still enjoy recurring revenue. Just take a look at these actual projections:

    Running the Numbers on $297

    Sell 10 Information Products Per Month
    (Payments of $99 per month for 3 months)
    Month One $ 990
    Month Two $ 1980
    Month Three $ 2970
    Month Four $ 2970
    Month Five $ 2970
    Month Six $ 2970

    Running the Numbers on $495

    Sell 10 Information Products Per Month
    (Payments of $99 per month for 5 months)
    Month One $ 990
    Month Two $ 1980
    Month Three $ 2970
    Month Four $ 3960
    Month Five $ 4950
    Month Six $ 4950

    Running the Numbers on $997

    Sell 10 Information Products Per Month
    (Payments of $199 per month for 5 months)
    Month One $ 1990
    Month Two $ 3980
    Month Three $ 5970
    Month Four $ 7960
    Month Five $ 9950
    Month Six $ 9950


    Hope that helps!

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      Just look at McDonalds. Their food is awful. It's not even real food. But they're not in the business of selling food.

      Michelle,

      McDonald's is not in the business of selling real food?

      McDonald's serves 70 million people in 35,000 restaurants (in more than 100 countries) every day!

      McDonald's feeds 1% of the world's population every day!

      They sell 75 hamburgers every second!

      Americans alone consume one billion pounds of beef at McDonald's in a year -- five and a half million head of cattle!

      McDonald's hires around 1 million workers in the US every year and a staggering 1 in 8 Americans will have been on the McDonald's payroll at some point in their life!

      I don't go to McDonald's for convenience.

      I can has cheezburger!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        LOL

        I'm in the health and wellness niche and am acutely aware of exactly how bad McDonalds' "food" really is. I've seen stats that said their cheese is 1% away from actually being plastic (it's chemical make up).

        I'm not sure about that fact though.

        However, I have seen more reliable research revealing that their hamburgers are only 15% real beef. The rest is beef "byproducts" which have been washed with ammonia to make it more palatable. I'm sure I don't want to know what "byproducts" I've eaten there.

        Shudder

        I'm on my phone right now, so I can't search well for the research, but if you want me to pull it, I can.

        And yes, convenience is a major factor in their success. Plenty of people know their food is incredibly unhealthy. But they patronize McDonalds because it's convenient. They're on the road, on the go and need something NOW. So they sacrifice healthy for convenience.

        Like I said, McDonalds trades in convenience, not food.

        Enjoy your cheeseburger!

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        • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
          why not offer both thing.. monthly subscription and product sales.. for visitors to choose
          I strongly agree with this. I have done both, and therefore have learned the lesson that some people prefer a membership/subscription and others would never in a million years sign up for such a thing; they only want whatever products they specifically want to buy.

          In addition, since you apparently haven't started either one of these options, doing both gives you the opportunity to see over time if there is one option that is more popular and more profitable. You can't know this in advance, and anyone who tells you otherwise is not giving you good advice.

          Good luck,
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        • Profile picture of the author bwh1
          Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

          LOL

          I'm in the health and wellness niche and am acutely aware of exactly how bad McDonalds' "food" really is. I've seen stats that said their cheese is 1% away from actually being plastic (it's chemical make up).

          I'm not sure about that fact though.

          However, I have seen more reliable research revealing that their hamburgers are only 15% real beef. The rest is beef "byproducts" which have been washed with ammonia to make it more palatable. I'm sure I don't want to know what "byproducts" I've eaten there.

          Shudder

          I'm on my phone right now, so I can't search well for the research, but if you want me to pull it, I can.

          And yes, convenience is a major factor in their success. Plenty of people know their food is incredibly unhealthy. But they patronize McDonalds because it's convenient. They're on the road, on the go and need something NOW. So they sacrifice healthy for convenience.

          Like I said, McDonalds trades in convenience, not food.

          Enjoy your cheeseburger!

          Michelle
          I'm totally with you here, it's not food, expensive and never come as shown in the nice juicy adverts

          Aside their "food" is also responsible for a lot of overweight people, early heart attacks, high health care costs, rain forest destruction to give space to cow's.

          Back to OP's question.

          Start with offering units, then, after you have a few products published, offer a Membership for a better price per unit but keep the pricing for single units, and if you have a good amount of products you can also offer a yearly membership price for a better deal.

          Give to Members something special what the others don't get and you improve your chances to get subs.

          Downturn? Your products have to be very well worth the single price for that people jump in the recurring fee.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Antoniazzi
    I have been debating which is better my self for my dog training website, at the moment I am just selling products. I always feel like with training sites people would just pay for a month, view the content, then cancel it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Have a bunch of SMALL TICKET products. (Like $7)...

    Then have ONE UNIVERSAL upsell which is your membership product.

    Could work very very well.



    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZephyrIon
    What's it matter. Where is your traffic coming from? How much is it going to cost you? Should you also sell products to make up for the cost of signup (cost per lead).
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  • Profile picture of the author nmchant
    If done right the 2 could complement each other. As a Gemini, i like the dual option.
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