Why I hate being a newbie !

[pts123]

Well after nearly a year of buying all these so called internet marketing e books and absorbing all sorts of information, I finally decided to get my first site up in jan 2009....

after several months, traffic was starting to come in and I was starting to make some adsense earnings, being bolstered from this experience, I decided to put up another site in a different niche about 2 months ago...

Both of these sites were starting to get around 40-50 hits a day each , which was good for me since I never did this before, and then they suddenly died almost over night...now if i get 10-15 hits a day from both sites put together, I consider myself lucky......

I have spent an enormous amount of time trying to figure out what went wrong.. such as posting a million questions on google webmaster forum to find out what the hell happened....Of course I got all sorts of advice and answers from very technically minded people that would give alot of technical jargon about what I should do , without explaining how to do it..sure its easy for those guys....

It seemed that whenever I asked for more details on actually how to go about doing these 'things' i found that I would get ignored...I guess my questions were too elementary to bother responding too

So I have had to look for answers myself on how to create proper robots.tx, figure out how to prevent dup content with wordpress, what I should do with .htacces files and a bunch of other stuff that all these so called marketing courses never talked about...

Anyway I have since moved on and started all over again with a new site and hopefully I won't make the same mistakes as the first 2....( what these mistakes were are for another long and tedious post )

I am totally serious about making a living full time online and I won't quit until I perfect the "method" but damn! do I ever hate being a newbie

Just my thoughts

[bc3447]

I have just found this site myself and I can sympathize with your situation. I too, am learning all the nicks and crannies; so to speak. But, I believe we are in the right place to learn whatever we need to know. After reading through the threads a couple of times, I can see that everyone is pretty helpful and should be able to walk us through getting a good start. Good luck.

[pts123]

Originally Posted by bc3447

I have just found this site myself and I can sympathize with your situation. I too, am learning all the nicks and crannies; so to speak. But, I believe we are in the right place to learn whatever we need to know. After reading through the threads a couple of times, I can see that everyone is pretty helpful and should be able to walk us through getting a good start. Good luck.

thanks, it's about time that I joined this forum, I will be posting a ton of questions that's for sure ! lol

[TLTheLiberator]

Originally Posted by pts123

Well after nearly a year of buying all these so called internet marketing e books and absorbing all sorts of information, I finally decided to get my first site up in jan 2009....

after several months, traffic was starting to come in and I was starting to make some adsense earnings, being bolstered from this experience, I decided to put up another site in a different niche about 2 months ago...

Both of these sites were starting to get around 40-50 hits a day each , which was good for me since I never did this before, and then they suddenly died almost over night...now if i get 10-15 hits a day from both sites put together, I consider myself lucky......

I have spent an enormous amount of time trying to figure out what went wrong.. such as posting a million questions on google webmaster forum to find out what the hell happened....Of course I got all sorts of advice and answers from very technically minded people that would give alot of technical jargon about what I should do , without explaining how to do it..sure its easy for those guys....

It seemed that whenever I asked for more details on actually how to go about doing these 'things' i found that I would get ignored...I guess my questions were too elementary to bother responding too

So I have had to look for answers myself on how to create proper robots.tx, figure out how to prevent dup content with wordpress, what I should do with .htacces files and a bunch of other stuff that all these so called marketing courses never talked about...

Anyway I have since moved on and started all over again with a new site and hopefully I won't make the same mistakes as the first 2....( what these mistakes were are for another long and tedious post )

I am totally serious about making a living full time online and I won't quit until I perfect the "method" but damn! do I ever hate being a newbie

Just my thoughts

Seems like you need to work on the traffic generation part of the puzzle.

TL

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by pts123

I am totally serious about making a living full time online and I won't quit until I perfect the "method" but damn! do I ever hate being a newbie

Just my thoughts

Easy mistake.

I've made it myself...still do, from time to time.

You wanna know a secret?

There is no damn secret 'guru' way of making money.

You just:

a) Find a crowd of people who need your stuff.
b) Sell it to them
c) Keep a list of the ones who bought your stuff
d) Sell them some more stuff

How?

Well, look around...

Look at this thread, even.

Lots of folks in the same boat as you, yes?

That's a hungry market.

Find out what they NEED TO KNOW to get started...

...it could be:

* How do I set up a website?
* How do I set up an autoresponder?
* WTF is an autoresponder anyway?
* How can I make my first product?

etc.

Don't strive for perfection. That's the SINGLE BIGGEST profit killer...(I've experienced this first hand)

Just find (or dig) a hole, and fill it. Then find a bigger hole. And so on...

Best wishes,
Steve

[TLTheLiberator]

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Easy mistake.

I've made it myself...still do, from time to time.

You wanna know a secret?

There is no damn secret 'guru' way of making money.

You just:

a) Find a crowd of people who need your stuff.
b) Sell it to them
c) Keep a list of the ones who bought your stuff
d) Sell them some more stuff

How?

Well, look around...

Look at this thread, even.

Lots of folks in the same boat as you, yes?

That's a hungry market.

Find out what they NEED TO KNOW to get started...

...it could be:

* How do I set up a website?
* How do I set up an autoresponder?
* WTF is an autoresponder anyway?
* How can I make my first product?

etc.

Don't strive for perfection. That's the SINGLE BIGGEST profit killer...(I've experienced this first hand)

Just find (or dig) a hole, and fill it. Then find a bigger hole. And so on...

Best wishes,
Steve

I think our friend is very interested in the Adsense model.

TL

[abo28]

I wouldn't have started with Adsense if I were you. You need a lot of traffic in order to make a decent income. Doing affiliate marketing or selling your own product is better.

Just my opinion.

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I think our friend is very interested in the Adsense model.

TL

Weren't we all, at the time?



Steve

P.S. I remember being seduced back then by Michael Cheney's ...Jeez, what was it called...$600 a day? Or something similar.

[benne13]

Originally Posted by pts123

thanks, it's about time that I joined this forum, I will be posting a ton of questions that's for sure ! lol

I'm in the same boat, with being a newbie. I'm here to pick up on everything I can, like a sponge..

[petevamp]

Think about it this way. Its just like going to a new job for the first day it only gets easier the more you do it. It becomes repetition

[TK6863]

Find one thing and master it.

Be an expert ... comparitively speaking.

Solve a problem (s).... for a niche and get rich.

I don't know.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

You can't succeed until you have failed. When you figure things out you can then replicate and expand upon them.

Why does the Average NBA player Make a Couple Million to play basketball while a Firefighter may make $55K a year (or less) and save a dozen lives? Who is more important? Who has selected the better niche? Can everyone be what they want to be?

Life isn't fair. And you have to make the most of your own skill set. I'm not being harsh when I say this - Online Markeing/SEM/Affiliate Marketing or whatever your angle is... or will be is a business that is not for everyone.

I read a lot of Forum posts about "just keep trying" or "don't give up"... but what you really have to do is decide where is your best opportunity to earn an income with your given skill set. If it's online, then great if it's not then why keep punishing yourself and making yourself miserable?

[pts123]

Originally Posted by TK6863

Go offline.

Easier niche.

Out of all the answers I have read so far , this is the one that I truly disagree with ....

maybe your just joking....

However, we have all been there, done that....still doing it in fact..just like everybody else...

if making it online were easy , everybody would do it.. , but I'll be damned if I give this up....

Here's to all of us newbies that are truly striving to make it ...if we help each other out, we can make some good ground

[mlongley]

One thing you have to remember is that many "Gurus" are actually used car salesmen in disguise, and the car industry is not doing so well right now. So that is why internet marketing is saturated with "Gurus" selling their e-books.

The problem that I think many new internet marketers have, is that they think making money online is easy. That having financial and person freedom is an easy thing to do. Also they think that an online business model should be run different than an offline business model.

Here is an example: There are two guys that want to start a business. So they brainstorm and both determine to get into used car sales. The first guy buys a book written by another struggling used car salesman on how to start your own used car lot in 30 days. He reads the book, gets down the basics and opens his lot. The problem is that he knows nothing about used cars or how to run a car business. After struggling to make it month after month he decides that to give up the business. You see he couldnt buy his cars cheap enough, didn't know how to repair them, didnt know how to sell them, didnt know how to service them, and spent so much time running in circles wondering what was wrong, that he couldn't even make his handful of customers happy.

The second guy decided to spend a little more time understanding the car business. He found out from other dealers where they got their cars so cheap, he then learned how to do minor maintainance and auto detail to improve the cars value. Then he learned the basics on selling cars from a successful car salesman and did not buy the book from the struggling car salesman. He then hired a part time mechanic to service his customers cars, and then he spent the rest of his time building relationships and keeping his customers happy.

It is easy to see in the second example why that man was successful and why the man in the first example wasn't using that real world illustration. When it comes to internet marketing it is the same way.

You need to do market research so you know what market is profitable, and what market is interesting to you. Then once you find your market you need to research it, understand it well and create a business plan.

Once your plan is ready, then you can execute it successfully. If you need help with something, find someone successful in that area and ask them how they did. You would be suprised how helpful true businessmen are. The reason why many "Gurus" are not helpful is because they were never successful and do not know how to answer your question.

[pts123]

mlongley,

I couldn't agree with you more, however this makes for an interesting thread, since I have already garnered a new perspective based off of the answers I have read so far...
It seems that alot of people would suggest that there are many different avenues that can be much more lucrative than trying to use Adsense as the main focus for making money.

In principal, Adsense seems easier, since its just a question of getting somebody to click rather than actually buy anything, to make any money. But I guess it all comes down to trying different things and seeing what works best.

[mlongley]

Adsense really only works well for sites with a lot of traffic. Affiliate marketing is a better way to for a newbie marketer. You dont have to have your own products or an ecommerce site. You just need to get people to click on a link and then go buy a product. The main thing is to find people that want to buy a product and catch them somewhere in their research or purchasing process. Once you catch them, educate them a little and send them on their way to make their purchase. I manage one affiliate network and do quite a bit of affiliate marketing. I have seen people with as little as 100-200 vistors per day make over 2000 in sales per month, but a lot of it boils down to your research and your angle in your niche as an affiliate.

[pts123]

Originally Posted by James Strong

You should stop relying on natural google traffic, but promote your site instead on yahoo answers, forums, video sites, as well as build linkwheels.

What is a link wheel ? Do you mean create a network of blogs and free sites to create back links to your main site ?

I have been using bookmark sites alot, but I realize that I have to be careful with them, but Yahoo answers is something that I have not seriously considered, thanks for that suggestion

[d0rhk]

Yahoo answers will get you very targeted traffic.

Thats why a lot of people promote CPA offers on yahoo answers

[mlongley]

I have had teams of people marketing yahoo answers and results for me were about 1% conversion. If you knew your niche well and gave awesome answers, you might be able to increase that a bit. the nice thing about it is that yahoo answers is free. So if you dont have much money or much of an idea where to go to get traffic, that is a good source. I usually search for something in yahoo answers and then subscribe to the feed for that keyword at the bottom. That way I will get updates whenever there has been new topics for that keyword.
Good luck!

[mistyone]

Originally Posted by d0rhk

Yahoo answers will get you very targeted traffic.

Thats why a lot of people promote CPA offers on yahoo answers

Use with care and attention, the method above, as you will find your account suspended or de-activated for promoting affiliate products.

I speak from experience and I wasn't promoting affiliate product but a link to a website I have a financial interest in, it did appear from the link that it was an affiliate link, it was however my own personal code to keep a track of how my promotion of the site was going

Yahoo Answers is a good site but keep within their guidelines

Cheers
Viv

[Michael Franklin]

Originally Posted by mistyone

Use with care and attention, the method above, as you will find your account suspended or de-activated for promoting affiliate products.

I speak from experience and I wasn't promoting affiliate product but a link to a website I have a financial interest in, it did appear from the link that it was an affiliate link, it was however my own personal code to keep a track of how my promotion of the site was going

Yahoo Answers is a good site but keep within their guidelines

Cheers
Viv

Yahoo Answers is a tough nut to crack but can be profitable. It used to be that you could put your Squidoo lens in the source section but not anymore.

For now, it's all about relevancy so if you post an affiliate or CPA link, it is only a matter of time before you get kicked off.

To work Yahoo Answers right, you have got to link to a highly relevant article or blog in your answer.

[Mickm]

You cannot beat organic search engine results for traffic, it's easy and cheap to do, long lasting and highly targeted.

You really do get people hitting your site because they are interested in what you have to offer.

Best of all there's a lot of free info out there that gives you a good heads up on where to start.

[kkrueger]

Hey Steven...you hit the nail on the head...
find a need and fill it...that's why the WSO's are flying out the door.

Here's my analogy...
You want to know how to fish...so you find an expert fisherman...he tells you what gear you need and shows you how to bait the hook...and he gives you a list of lakes to fish in. But if you want to know which lake is the best lake...well now...that's an upsell.

His beginner course was only 25.00...but if you want to know what lake and what times the fish bite...then that will be $497.00 but wait that's not all...if you want the fish to bite the bait...you can't use just any ole colored bait that smells funny, you gotta buy this here fancy shiney lure with the extra smelly, extra sticky bait that will cost an extra $297.00.

But wait...your reel only goes out 25 feet...you need this here fancy reel that goes out 60 feet and hits the bottom...and by the way...you really need that new fan dangled sonar thingy for the boat...and it goes on and on...

It's just fishing game...And when they don't catch any fish... they quit the fishing, and open a bait shop!!!

This is making me laugh...

It's time for me to open a bait shop

[mrjack]

Originally Posted by pts123

I am totally serious about making a living full time online and I won't quit until I perfect the "method" but damn! do I ever hate being a newbie

Don't hate it but love it. Love every single step what you learn to make money online and believe in yourself that you'll be succeed someday. Hardwork always pays off.

[Mickm]

Originally Posted by Brian.expert

Definitely being a newbie should not stop you from being to the top of rankings and getting huge traffic. One of the thing is being consistent in all your book markings, directory submissions, blog posts, forum posts and repeat them in definite cycle.

Agreed! 100% of SEO can be done by yourself and there is no need to hire an expensive pro unless you're short on time and have cash to spare.

Learning it yourself makes sure that you take that knowledge with you to the next site, and the next site each time you enter a new niche.

It's not difficult, in fact it's very easy, and not that time consuming.

[Oosha]

The main challenge of learning a new skill is the learning curve - the bumpy road and the time taken to master the skill. I know it's difficult being a newbie with little knowledge but trial and error are valuable lessons, and you need to learn them if you want to succeed.

If you're struggling to get started, take all the help you need, and there can be no better place than the Warrior Forum. With your attitude of not giving up, opportunities/success will come knocking at your door.

Enjoy being a newbie!

[tommen]

It sure is a bumpy road making money online and everyone and their uncle seems to be a "Guru".There is really no secrets to making money online.One way is to have a self-hosted blog with useful information and an autoresponder.It will take time but the results will come.Those who fail are those who quit.

[ExRat]

Hi pts123,

It seemed that whenever I asked for more details on actually how to go about doing these 'things' i found that I would get ignored...I guess my questions were too elementary to bother responding too

So I have had to look for answers myself on how to create proper robots.tx, figure out how to prevent dup content with wordpress, what I should do with .htacces files and a bunch of other stuff that all these so called marketing courses never talked about...

I don't know if you're still reading this thread?

Possibly the reason they didn't respond is because if they had, the best answer would have been to tell you to look for the answers yourself - which often appears rude and unhelpful, but it IS the best advice.

Think about it, it's a lot kinder to push someone to do things the right way than to try and sell them a product that probably won't solve the problem anyway and simply 'trains' you to believe that you need to buy answers.

Many will give up when they realise that their success depends on them using their initiative to find their own solutions - you passed that test, nice work.

[pmg2712]

I also have started a year an half ago. Actually cant say I started because I am not yet started. I want my sites up. what I know is I have to keep reading according to me, If you want to get into IM. Read two years before it. Then get into it.