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by darbok
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I have come to realize, I couldn't recruit mice to eat cheese.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
    Originally Posted by darbok View Post

    I have come to realize, I couldn't recruit mice to eat cheese.
    LOL, that's pretty bad. What exactly do you believe to be your problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author darbok
    I'm not totally sure... like the last mlm I tried, i posted in FB groups and used paid solo ads that were made specificly for that mlm... 150 clicks, only got 18 people to really look at the page and not a single sign up... but others are signing up people right and left from solo ads and facebook. So I think i'm cursed. I'm not bitter or mad, or blaming anyone but myself, I'm just a bit bummed but that's life.
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      Do you mind sharing what the mlm company is?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by darbok View Post

      I'm not totally sure... like the last mlm I tried, i posted in FB groups and used paid solo ads that were made specificly for that mlm... 150 clicks, only got 18 people to really look at the page and not a single sign up... but others are signing up people right and left from solo ads and facebook. So I think i'm cursed. I'm not bitter or mad, or blaming anyone but myself, I'm just a bit bummed but that's life.
      Everything you wrote in that post is why you haven't succeeded in MLM.

      The MLM business is not built that way... never has been... never will be.

      Don't believe anyone who tells you they're signing people up left and right
      from solo ads and Facebook unless they're promoting one of those scammy
      money games and targeting the easy marks. Real MLM businesses don't
      work like that... at all.

      There's a simple way... that works 100% of the time.... but you actually have to talk to people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

        Everything you wrote in that post is why you haven't succeeded in MLM.

        The MLM business is not built that way... never has been... never will be.



        There's a simple way... that works 100% of the time.... but you actually have to talk to people.

        Complete MLM BS LIE! NOTHING WORKS 100% Never has never WILL!

        If this post was such a blatant lie it would be amusing!
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    MLM is tough for sure, nothing easy about it.


    You have to make sure your IM efforts are
    super-targeted to those that are interested in MLM.
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  • Profile picture of the author darbok
    first i tried MandG... the admins and such were really really rude, I didnt get any sales so I quit. Then I tried brain abundance, they were alot more professional but I didnt do good with that.. now... in all fairness I didnt give it any great amount of time, but I'm not going to keep putting into something if I'm not even getting a nibble, comparing the amount of time others were getting people and myself.. i've come to realize I probably need a different vehicle to success then trying to get people to sign up for something. Though the people who are good at it, I envy and respect you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    One thing I can suggest, is if you have the same message as everyone else, people become desensitized to it. Change it up. Even the solo ad owners don't like to send their list to the same capture page/sales page a lot.

    "150 clicks, only got 18 people to really look at the page and not a single sign up"

    It is a numbers game as well. So you got about 8% to look at the page. Did you put them on a mailing list so that you can give them further emails and offers? That always helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author IanGreenwood
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      One thing I can suggest, is if you have the same message as everyone else, people become desensitized to it. Change it up. Even the solo ad owners don't like to send their list to the same capture page/sales page a lot.

      "150 clicks, only got 18 people to really look at the page and not a single sign up"

      It is a numbers game as well. So you got about 8% to look at the page. Did you put them on a mailing list so that you can give them further emails and offers? That always helps.
      I think Jeannie is right. I would put them on a newsletter, and slowly warm them up with a autoresponder series.

      I have worked 2 MLM businesses in the past - both in the 80's before the internet was big. I haven't tried to meld MLM and IM but I can see where there might be some significant benefits from targeting via PPC and putting some on a autoresponder series.

      I created a list of 54 sign-ups in 24 hrs for $25 (so that's slightly over 46c each) a couple of months ago as a test. These were all in the "make money from home" niche. I recon these would be a good target for a punt at signing them up for a downline in an MLM company, even if they didn't want to buy the actual products.

      Be interested to see what your results are. :-)

      Recently I've noticed a significant increase in the number of IM products targeted towards using IM tactics in the MLM markets. I think now would be the time to test this out before the markets get wise. I can even see some of the bigger MLM names going as far as banning email marketing or promotion online, etc rather than getting their name associated with any sort of "internet scams."

      I've also seen a few punting some MLM stuff on eBay as a way to attract new customers. Possibly using it as a loss leader to get names and addresses to do follow-up marketing with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Syssolution
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      One thing I can suggest, is if you have the same message as everyone else, people become desensitized to it. Change it up. Even the solo ad owners don't like to send their list to the same capture page/sales page a lot.

      "150 clicks, only got 18 people to really look at the page and not a single sign up"

      It is a numbers game as well. So you got about 8% to look at the page. Did you put them on a mailing list so that you can give them further emails and offers? That always helps.
      That's correct! You should build your targeted list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by darbok View Post

    I have come to realize, I couldn't recruit mice to eat cheese.
    Do yourself a huge favor... Stop trying to recruit people.

    That's not how it works.

    MLM is, hands down, the most powerful business model
    on the planet... WHEN DONE CORRECTLY.

    When done incorrectly it can be a nightmare.

    Find a mentor who will teach you the correct way to build
    long term sustainable income in MLM.

    Feel free to PM me if you like. I'll be happy to help as time allows.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    I forgot to mention to look up "attraction marketing" As TSnyder said, you have to do it correctly.

    That is why capturing emails is important, you can get people warmed up to you and what your offer will do for them - and that does not mean how much money they will make. It is about what the money will do for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author cainbrian
      Most people think "attraction marketing" is just about giving everything away for free. That is NOT how you make money. Although, it's cool to give away free stuff in a sales video that not only helps someone gets results, but subconsciously sells your products and vehicle for you.

      The reality is that people will JOIN you in your mlm when you've connected specifically with their pain, they relate to who you are as a person, and you show them a solution when you tell them to "buy now."

      On the internet, we are blessed with the ability to systematize this process by driving traffic via resources like solo ads, and building list. However, it's the same as not using the internet at all - people join people, not business opportunities. If you are only promoting your company, products, comp plan, or using the same generic company material (even if it is ACTUALLY good), you want to stand out with unique reasons for people to buy from and partner with you.

      The success of mlm's don't happen in the mechanics; it's happens in the dynamics of your OWN ability to communicate and share your personal vision.

      Unless you want to continue maybe hoping for the day that you recruit one or two reps ever, and don't want to turn that into a daily production...

      ...the biggest key is to work on your own transformation by reading and listening to audios daily, and crafting a vision based on reteaching what you are learning and where you WILL be going...

      If you can hit the right pain triggers, and share how to relieve the pain with your vision, recruiting becomes a very simple activity.

      Hope that helps Darbok
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
    Darbok, it doesn't have to be hard. I ran a solo over the weekend and instantly added $180 to my monthly residual. But, I'm working with a team that provides training, tools, proven methods and a compensation plan that well... rocks! Just need the right program and the right people to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    You have 2 options: offiline and online to market your MLM business.

    If you choose the online way, you need to build a list with autoresponder service e.g: Aweber or GetResponse. Then generate traffic from social media sites e.g: Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin.

    You must can get new 20 leads daily. You can get new member in your MLM group for each 200 leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Build those relationships!

    Recruiting is about gaining trust, by forming intimate bonds with people.

    No way around this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Villanueva
      My highest grossing niche is mlm. It is long term passive income.

      The keyword is long term. Meaning its not a wham bam thank you maam.

      As everyone has said above, you need to build relationship.

      Be the problem solver for their problems and dont always shove product people's throat.

      Always overdeliver and dont hop from one shiny product to the next. You must believe your product and most of all yourself and your brand!

      One thing i know about mlm niche is that people dont join products or affiliates, people join people!

      If they trust and love you and you are transparent and genuinely helping and not sellin them, then its a natural progression for them to join your suggested programs or businesses.

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    • Profile picture of the author carcin0genic
      Your problem is most certainly lack of training. Find people who are willing to take the time to mentor you and show you the right way to promote yourself.

      Forget promoting the opportunity through "spammy" means like posting to FB and learn to master a proven traffic source instead of a hit or miss style.

      You have the commitment obviously, find the source to get you to the next level.

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnnyPlan
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      Build those relationships!

      Recruiting is about gaining trust, by forming intimate bonds with people.

      No way around this.
      The easiest way to gain trust is by constantly being there as a support/mentor for potential recruits and downline. And, that means starting/maintaining an email subscriber list. You can always market the list as 'mentoring' training which offers support/advice. Start a Facebook or Google+ group with the same theme, giving others in the MLM niche support and advice and allowing them a place to talk about common everyday frustrations of recruiting and selling. Along the way you can promote your own preferred programs (just be sure they are good ones) and earn recruits, while ensuring those who join you are well trained.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by darbok View Post

    I have come to realize, I couldn't recruit mice to eat cheese.
    If you really want to know how relationship building works in MLM, pick up a copy of "The Greatest Networker in the World" and "Conversations With the Greatest Networker", both by John Milton Fogg. Short, easy reads worth ten times the price of the books.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    MLM is great, but you need to work at it to find people who will sell so that eventually you can make money off of their efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
    Why do people even do MLM, aren't they all scams? From what it appears to me the way it works is— you get scammed, in order for you to make money you need to sell the same scam to somebody else, for that person to make money he has to sell it yet someone else.

    Self-replication of product. What good does it do?

    Now please don't hate me for saying this. I am asking because I want to know. Don't tell me that MLM is working great for some of you. Just because it feeds your children, it DOESN'T imply that it's a good method.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by seekdefo View Post

      Why do people even do MLM, aren't they all scams?
      No.

      Originally Posted by seekdefo View Post

      From what it appears to me the way it works is— you get scammed, in order for you to make money you need to sell the same scam to somebody else, for that person to make money he has to sell it yet someone else.
      That description doesn't characterize MLM very accurately at all.

      Many MLM's have been very successfully established for nearly a century and are based on retailing physical products of value to genuine retail customers who have nothing to do with the business opportunity at all.

      Originally Posted by seekdefo View Post

      Self-replication of product. What good does it do?
      It depends on the product, but in any case most MLM isn't about that, at all.

      I suspect that you've seen a lot of illegal pyramid scams and mistakenly imagined that they were MLM's.

      And perhaps some of them even pretended to be.

      That is a problem: unfortunately it's sometimes difficult for the layman to know what's a genuine MLM and what's an illegal pyramid scam, but I'll give you one major clue (and it's a clue that's particularly important to courts and regulators, too, when they give rulings on "what's a genuine MLM and what isn't"!): genuine MLM companies make most of their sales incomes (a minimum of 70%, to be legal, in the US) by making genuine retail sales of their products/services to genuine retail customers who aren't involved in the "business opportunity" at all and aren't distributors of the company. That must clarify it for you, a little, I think?

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      • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        No.



        That description doesn't characterize MLM very accurately at all.

        Many MLM's have been very successfully established for nearly a century and are based on retailing physical products of value to genuine retail customers who have nothing to do with the business opportunity at all.



        It depends on the product, but in any case most MLM isn't about that, at all.

        I suspect that you've seen a lot of illegal pyramid scams and mistakenly imagined that they were MLM's.

        And perhaps some of them even pretended to be.

        That is a problem: unfortunately it's sometimes difficult for the layman to know what's a genuine MLM and what's an illegal pyramid scam, but I'll give you one major clue (and it's a clue that's particularly important to courts and regulators, too, when they give rulings on "what's a genuine MLM and what isn't"!): genuine MLM companies make most of their sales incomes (a minimum of 70%, to be legal, in the US) by making genuine retail sales of their products/services to genuine retail customers who aren't involved in the "business opportunity" at all and aren't distributors of the company. That must clarify it for you, a little, I think?

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        Yes that did it. So most of the schemes running online could be non-genuine. Like MOBE?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by seekdefo View Post

          So most of the schemes running online could be non-genuine.
          Indeed ... have you ever wondered why they usually don't last more than a few years?

          There are exceptions, of course. And often regulators take no action until a certain number of complaints have built up (which can sometimes take a really long time). And then there are all sorts of legal complications possible, depending on where they're actually registered, and so on. It's all very messy and complicated. But most of the ones without retail customers who are clearly not in compliance with the 70% rule (and sometimes not even pretending to be compliant with it, because they just can't) do eventually get caught out and closed down.

          Originally Posted by seekdefo View Post

          Like MOBE?
          Sorry, I know nothing about it at all! My guess (and this may be totally wrong) is that that one isn't actually an MLM at all. (I'm not suggesting it's illegal - I just don't know anything about it and am not a lawyer anyway).

          Not all "network marketing" companies are also "MLM" companies. These terms (contrary to popular belief) are not synonymous.

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          • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


            Sorry, I know nothing about it at all! My guess (and this may be totally wrong) is that that one isn't actually an MLM at all. (I'm not suggesting it's illegal - I just don't know anything about it and am not a lawyer anyway).

            Not all "network marketing" companies are also "MLM" companies. These terms (contrary to popular belief) are not synonymous.

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            This thread should help you decipher it. I am not too sure either http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...-disaster.html and then there's this blogpost My Online Business Empire Review – Another Obvious Scam. - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by seekdefo View Post

              This thread should help you decipher it. I am not too sure either http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...-disaster.html
              I posted in that thread last night, to correct some misinformation.

              I don't think that thread's going to tell me/you/anyone whether it's actually an MLM. One can hardly rely on forum threads to do that.

              Lots of things are called "scams" online, you know? There are blog posts around saying that Nieman Marcus is a "scam".

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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        No.
        genuine MLM companies make most of their sales incomes (a minimum of 70%, to be legal, in the US) by making genuine retail sales of their products/services to genuine retail customers who aren't involved in the "business opportunity" at all and aren't distributors of the company. That must clarify it for you, a little, I think?

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        Yes... distributors in a legal MLM Network Marketing business are required to certified that 70% of their monthly autoship product purchases are being retailed or used as product samples. But distributors do not make a seven figure income from their own retail sales.

        The big money earners will tell you to always be recruiting because in the process you will have little difficulty finding 10 retail Customer/Friends who only want to use the products. But you ain't going to get rich by retailing alone.

        It's a lot easier to lead with the income opportunity to find business builders... those who are not interested in starting a business may still want to purchase products.

        If one leads with pushing and selling product at retail, most prospects think that's what the business is all about and because they don't like to sell.... they shy away from it.

        In MLM you are building an all volunteer army... you can't sell... that's why so many sales types fail in Network Marketing.... they don't understanding it's not about selling as many people as possible. It's about exposing people to the opportunity and sorting those who are interested from those who aren't as quickly as possible.

        Then plugin your recruits into your company training and being a mentor to those who are really serious about learning and doing what it takes to succeed in the industry. But one should never stop recruiting and try to retire into training their downline because you don't want your downline to duplicate bad habits like... stop recruiting and just train your downline expecting them to work for you.

        In MLM you have to lead by example... you have to help your downline by working with them but you should always be doing the same work you want your downline to do.... and that's sorting (not selling) as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

        Those who do will have little trouble picking up 10 retail costumers in the process of finding serious business partners. But you can't ever stop exposing and recruiting for very long before your downline starts duplicating
        your actions or lack of.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I just wanted to say "PM me"...since it seems to be acceptable now.

    I won't teach you how to succeed at MLM, (that's a sucker's bet) but I know how to run an actual online business.

    But that doesn't matter because if you PM me, I'll just try to sell you something.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaunsamsel
    MLM is Business good for everyone, But many people face problem in the industries after scam, so people always have impression of fear in their mind for need to build relationship.
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    • Profile picture of the author hyzhenry
      MLM is a relationship business, not a one off $7 offer that I just buy and forget it. It gives long term passive income, but you need to put in time for that relationship to happen, then people will start following you. Once they want to follow you, people will buy any crap that you sell. Even if the MLM company is rubbish.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by royalowl View Post

      The easiest way to sponsor people into any
      MLM is to have a MLM Genealogy List.


      No..,. it's not the easiest way... not even close.

      But thanks for the spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaleRodge
    I admit, I had been very successful in IM, then I moved into MLM and jeez was it different. I thought it was going to be sooooo easy but I didn't get a single sale for ages. Now I've absolutely nailed it and generate anywhere between 5-10 signups a day it's insane.

    A lot of those go on to get refunds but ive never seen money like it - just wish id started sooner.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    MLM is all about telling idiots what they want to hear and in a way that builds trust. You're selling air to people with retarded business development skills who in turn see the appeal of selling air.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      MLM is all about telling idiots what they want to hear and in a way that builds trust. You're selling air to people with retarded business development skills who in turn see the appeal of selling air.
      Clearly, you know nothing about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

        Clearly, you know nothing about it.
        lol I'm sure you can tell me all about how your downline profits come from tupperware sales and not the MLM opportunity hot air.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    The biggest problem with MLM, IMO, is you have distributors recruiting(or trying to recruit) people into a business model they themselves know nothing about. If the parent company wanted to advertise to move their product they'd have an advertising and marketing budget, and they would pay a lot of money to the right qualified people.

    Instead they pay a commission to "distributors", who usually have 0 expertise of any kind in any business what so ever.

    You essentially have the blind leading the blind. This is part of why there is so much turn over in MLM and why less than 1% make more than $400 a month.

    All success you have in any business starts by understand the emotion of your market. What sells them on _______.

    The biggest problem on that front with MLM, is they are usually selling the wrong message, becasue they don't know what it is.

    You have 2 markets in MLM, what ever product/s the company sells, and a business opportunity!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by Clausenlt View Post

      The biggest problem with MLM, IMO, is you have distributors recruiting(or trying to recruit) people into a business model they themselves know nothing about. If the parent company wanted to advertise to move their product they'd have an advertising and marketing budget, and they would pay a lot of money to the right qualified people.

      Instead they pay a commission to "distributors", who usually have 0 expertise of any kind in any business what so ever.

      You essentially have the blind leading the blind. This is part of why there is so much turn over in MLM and why less than 1% make more than $400 a month.

      All success you have in any business starts by understand the emotion of your market. What sells them on _______.

      The biggest problem on that front with MLM, is they are usually selling the wrong message, becasue they don't know what it is.

      You have 2 markets in MLM, what ever product/s the company sells, and a business opportunity!
      The amusing thing about MLM topics on this forum is that so many
      people who know so little about the model seem to have so much to
      say about it.

      The post quoted is no different.
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      • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

        The amusing thing about MLM topics on this forum is that so many
        people who know so little about the model seem to have so much to
        say about it.

        The post quoted is no different.

        Oh really? This post is a perfect example of arrogant jerks trying to teach people something that doesn't work for 99% or more of people and sticking a giant foot in their mouth assuming you can decide my experience from a few paragraphs! (I'm mad so I could be wrong about what you are trying to teach, but I'm big enough to admit that.)

        I've read a ton about MLM, I know people PERSONALLY making a LOT of money in MLM. I've been to many of their meetings, and I have been the victim of too many MLM idiots trying to use the same worn out crap that doesn't work to recruit me.

        A good friend of mine has had his relationship with a childhood friend ruined because that friend is trying to recruit him into an MLM company that he want's nothing to do with.

        My father squandered several thousand dollars (possibly hundreds of thousands) trying to "work" numerous MLM companies!

        It doesn't matter if MLM isn't a scam or pyramid scheme, what matters is what people think it is!

        So I happen to know an awful lot about it. I know Donald Trump started an MLM company!

        My dad had boxes of MLM books!

        So you don't have to agree with me, but you also don't have to be an ass!

        I also happen to think MLM is the best home based business opportunity out there, given there are more self made millionaires in MLM than any other home base business!

        I'm in an MLM company myself!

        I have also owned my own businesses for over 20 years so i also know something about that, including sales.

        I know what one guy did in MLM to make over $70,000 a month! And it is not what most MLM'ers will tell you to DO!
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        • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
          and it is a FACT almost all MLM distributors don't know what they are doing...that's why this thread exists!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
    Here's something the MLM "guru's won't talk about....they'll give you a nice long explanation about why MLM is "not a pyramid scheme" but not once have I ever heard one of them address why people call it that.

    Maybe because you like your like your cult meeting pep rallies because you have NO CLUE what you are doing!

    And I don't care if you produce a big fat check...why don't you produce a nice long list of people making 6 figures under you! That's one "bigfoot" you'll never see!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Unise
    Dude, ditch MLM and build a product.

    You could create your own MLM with $400, Your own Weight loss pill for $150.. the opportunities are endless.

    MLM products are always over priced and with the internet these days it's just not worth it.

    You can make money in it, I'm not denying that. But it's not easy and it attracts a very "specific" type of crowd and many of them are dream chasers that evangelize the MLM yet are never successful.

    But if you are going to do, you really need to build out your personal brand as the person to listen to.

    They need to almost worship you.

    MLM relies heavily on the psychology of the business.
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  • Profile picture of the author NeedBucksNow
    Hmmm... Seems to me that being successful brings success. I have several examples of this but 1 is a video I saw about an mlm company where an affiliate was showing the checks he was making every week & they just kept getting bigger everytime. When you can show people that it is working for you they will usually want to try out the same thing. It's the starting out part that is the hardest. I personally think joining a hosting or domain company would be easier but good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author fxstay
    MLM works perfect is you use targeted one
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    A couple f these guys are amusing... they admittedly have
    never found success with the business model but they want
    to tell you all about it.

    Closets full of books... relatives who failed because they didn't
    know what they were doing... on and on with a littany of why you
    should never accept advice from those who've never experienced
    success at the thing you want to do.

    No point in arguing with them. They haven't got the first clue that
    they don't know what they don't know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Clausenlt
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      A couple f these guys are amusing... they admittedly have
      never found success with the business model but they want
      to tell you all about it.

      Closets full of books... relatives who failed because they didn't
      know what they were doing... on and on with a littany of why you
      should never accept advice from those who've never experienced
      success at the thing you want to do.

      No point in arguing with them. They haven't got the first clue that
      they don't know what they don't know.
      Why are you such a prick? You don't know what I have or haven't done. I've run my own businesses for over 20 years.

      Are you here simply to hurl insults because your ego can't stand up to any one disagreeing with you?

      I didn't say anything that should have gotten this kind of response until you insulted me!

      You completely discredit yourself with this non response.

      I actually agreed with your first couple of responses, but I guess I'm not allowed to have a point of view!

      It's a shame because you might actually have a valuable perspective, but no one is going to listen to you because you're such a condescending prick!

      If you have anything of value to add to this discussion, STOP insulting people. They have a right to their point of view right or wrong! However, if you do not want anyone to listen to you, by all means continue with your middle school antics, while telling yourself your an expert because you made it in MLM!

      The two guys who started Amway are worth billions...are you in Amway? MLM marketing is broken and always has been! That doesn't mean some people haven't done it right!

      In fact because the "marketing" is so bad, and people have made so much money in it, is the very reason you should be in it, if you know anything about business and marketing.

      I agree IMO, it is the best home based business. In fact, I count on people like you never actually learning. Makes it a lot easier for people who actually know business, because I will have an endless stream of recruits from your downline!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by Clausenlt View Post

        Why are you such a prick? You don't know what I have or haven't done. I've run my own businesses for over 20 years.

        Are you here simply to hurl insults because your ego can't stand up to any one disagreeing with you?

        I didn't say anything that should have gotten this kind of response until you insulted me!

        You completely discredit yourself with this non response.

        I actually agreed with your first couple of responses, but I guess I'm not allowed to have a point of view!

        It's a shame because you might actually have a valuable perspective, but no one is going to listen to you because you're such a condescending prick!

        If you have anything of value to add to this discussion, STOP insulting people. They have a right to their point of view right or wrong! However, if you do not want anyone to listen to you, by all means continue with your middle school antics, while telling yourself your an expert because you made it in MLM!

        The two guys who started Amway are worth billions...are you in Amway? MLM marketing is broken and always has been! That doesn't mean some people haven't done it right!

        In fact because the "marketing" is so bad, and people have made so much money in it, is the very reason you should be in it, if you know anything about business and marketing.

        I agree IMO, it is the best home based business. In fact, I count on people like you never actually learning. Makes it a lot easier for people who actually know business, because I will have an endless stream of recruits from your downline!
        I don't care what business you've allegedly run for 20 years. The subject of
        this thread is MLM and you've said yourself that you haven't had a dime's worth
        of success with it... yet you feel qualified to advise others.

        You say it's broken but the fact is you haven't got a clue whether it is or isn't. You say
        it is because you failed at it. Thousands upon thousanbds of people woiuld disagree.

        You think I'm a prick for stating the facts. I think people who act like you do on
        public forums are immature punks and wannabes. Guess you aren't gonna friend
        me, huh? LOL

        Run along...
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  • Profile picture of the author Pedro Lopes
    Originally Posted by darbok View Post

    I have come to realize, I couldn't recruit mice to eat cheese.
    LOL, yes you can. You just gotta take some time to work on being better at what you mentioned in the thread title, relationship marketing.

    Be patient with it and keep your focus on your prospects interests.

    Meet new people everyday and grow that list.

    Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Unise
    Tsnyder please show us one of your sites.

    I know you aren't raking in 70k per month on that whopping 171 facebook fans.

    Lets see your MLM success. If you really had it, you'd flaunt it.

    Or are you just preaching the same stories as the rest... seems almost like that.

    If you were a big shot you' be filling stadiums like brig hart Brig Hart - USA Association, New Life Network, Board the Earth, Salt Life and Healthy Home Company Monavies top rep.

    I'm very familiar with MLM and agreed you can make money, but there are waaaay more efficient way to do it.

    hell, the snuggie made $100mill.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by Thomas Unise View Post

      Tsnyder please show us one of your sites.
      I don't have sites. Why would I need them? You're exposing your ignorance of the subject.

      I know you aren't raking in 70k per month on that whopping 171 facebook fans.
      Yeah... more ignorance. That FB page is less than 2 months old. I've posted to
      it a grand total of less than 5 times. It was an experiment in FB advertising. I may
      go back to it.... probably not.

      Lets see you're MLM success. If you really had it, you'd flaunt it.
      No... loudmouth phoney punks and wannabes flaunt their fake it til you
      make it success. Serious business people don't engage in such immature
      nonsense.

      Or are you just preaching the same stories as the rest... seems almost like that.
      The only thing I'm preaching is for people to ignore the advice of those
      who like to jabber on forums but really know little or nothing about the subject.
      You seem to fall into that category.

      If you were a big shot you' be filling stadiums like brig hart
      Brig Hart is a superstar... no question about that. I don't believe I ever said
      I placed myself in that category. What I am is a guy whose been in this profession
      for a very long time and have earned the level of income that is the current subject
      of most IM wannabe's dreams. I work when I want... I play when I want... I have
      the time and money freedom to live life on my terms. I don't need to be Brig Hart.
      I'm pretty happy being Tsnyder.


      I'm very familiar with MLM and agreed you can make money, but there are waaaay more efficient way to do it.
      There is nothing at all efficient about most of the crap people post about how to do MLM.
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  • Profile picture of the author tauhidbd1993
    MLM is a short from of Multi Level Marketing. Actually the Marketing & MLM both of these are the Marketing. but there is a small change of formula. Such as in the MLM system, the up level person will get commission from the low level people sells. he also get the commission from his sale. but in the only marketing, only the seller will get commission. Thanks.
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